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Most miserable fans of a 12-3 team?
- Thread starter Stemp
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Did you see the game on Sunday?
ThaShark316
#28
I'll repeat it:
Football fans, for the most part, hate everything.
Football fans, for the most part, hate everything.
Stemp
Brew Master
Yes, I saw all 3 losses. I also saw the win the week before as well as the other 11 wins.
eriadoc
Texan-American
I'll pose two questions to you:
How do you think Texans fans would feel if they had started out 0-3 but were now 12-3? There's historical precedent to answer that, if you've lived in Houston long enough. How do you think fans would feel if the team had lost to the Packers and Patriots in a close, hard fought game?
This 12-3 argument is akin to arguing that Tebow is a good QB because the Broncos went to the playoffs with him last year. There are indicators and signs that belie the record. More importantly, record doesn't matter in the playoffs. Everyone is 0-0 and you can't lose.
ThaShark316
#28
I seriously, SERIOUSLY think that depends on who you ask.
BullNation4Life
All Pro
It simple, the record is not reflecting what the eyes are seeing. This team for the last 6 weeks has played bad football, on both sides if the ball. The All Mighty Wade Phillips (Fools Gold Phillips as he is known around my house)defense has been hemorging for a while, and the all great Kubiaks conservative offense has been so unconsistent.
This team may in fact win a #1 seed, but they damn sure have not played like a #1 seed...that is the freaking misery of it all...
EllisUnit
Vote RED!!!
Just miserable with how the team has played 2 of the last 3 weeks. Our effort to secure home field last week just wasn't very inspiring for most on here.
BullNation4Life
All Pro
Some of it is also how they are winning...
eriadoc
Texan-American
Which question? The first one was answered in 1993 when the Oilers started off 1-4 and ended up 12-4 to finish the season. This city was PUMPED. Contrast that with how the city's fans feel as a whole right now. Empirically speaking, that question has been answered, and it proves the point.
As to the second question, I think it's fairly evident that people would have the notion that the Texans would have a shot against the top teams if they would have even put up a fight in those games. As it stands, people don't really have much faith that the Texans can beat a top team, or at least, a team with a top QB. When you couple those losses with things like letting bad teams hang around, letting Chad Henne put up 400 yards, and watching the Vikings beat them all around on Sunday, then yeah, people aren't going to pumping sunshine. That's just reality, record be damned.
Hervoyel
BUENO!
So if you see something that you find fault with and mention it in here then you're a "miserable fan"? I just don't understand that, probably never will. See, most of you ****ing clones think you're either with us or against us. You either got your Texans gear on and you're waving your little flag and everything is coming up roses or you're a "hater" and must be leading a miserable life where you can never be happy and never appreciate what you've been lucky enough to be given.
What kind of Black/White world do you live in? I see Gray everywhere. I'm happy with what's working, wanting to see improvement with what's not, and frustrated with things that seem to go unaddressed for years and years. I'm going to point at the naked emperor and say that he's nekkid if he doesn't have any clothes on (doesn't mean I hate him) and I'm going to applaud him when he does something great (doesn't mean he's infallible). The one thing I hate about this place is that if you don't agree with what all the posters around you have to say then you're somehow a bad fan and you don't know what you're looking at. It's always been that way here and before at the other board. Maybe it's part of being a sports fan or something, I don't know. Texecutioner lately spends more time telling people that they aren't qualified to talk about football than anyone I've ever seen. and now you're going to wade in and complain about all the miserable fans? Guess what? I'm not miserable. I'm perfectly happy with my football experience this year. Could it be better? Sure.
If it ends in one of these
and not a bunch of these :kubepalm:then yes, it will be better. Even if it doesn't it's the best season they've ever had. What's not to like? Why does dissent about details or the play of a few guys have to translate into my being miserable fan to you? You see, instead of discussing the relative merits of these things (I think we need to go in another direction at QB, maybe you don't agree, we go back and forth... you know) instead we get all this posing and posturing from a bunch of fans who think they're self appointed fan-ambassadors or something. Like Saudi "moral police" they run up and down the board telling people that they are whiners for not whistling Zip-a-Dee-Doo-da out their asses because the Texans have 12 wins. To me that is what makes a miserable fan.
And you know what else? Any dip**** who stumbles in here is qualified to talk about football. Get off your high horses with all this BS about who is or isn't qualified to talk about this team and this game. If you care about the outcome of these games and wins have you walking on air or losses make you die inside you are qualified to talk about football. You might not be qualified to play it, coach it, or be an NFL GM but you can damn sure talk about it.
amazing80
Hall of Fame
Exactly, record has nothing to do with it.
I am pretty sure the 10-5 Seahawks fanbase is a little more pumped right now than ours.
This team has not been impressive in weeks and has lost the last 2 out of 3 with those losses being blowouts.
You can't blame the fanbase for having a "wheels have come off" feeling right now.
So if you see something that you find fault with and mention it in here then you're a "miserable fan"? I just don't understand that, probably never will. See, most of you ****ing clones think you're either with us or against us. You either got your Texans gear on and you're waving your little flag and everything is coming up roses or you're a "hater" and must be leading a miserable life where you can never be happy and never appreciate what you've been lucky enough to be given.
What kind of Black/White world do you live in? I see Gray everywhere. I'm happy with what's working, wanting to see improvement with what's not, and frustrated with things that seem to go unaddressed for years and years. I'm going to point at the naked emperor and say that he's nekkid if he doesn't have any clothes on (doesn't mean I hate him) and I'm going to applaud him when he does something great (doesn't mean he's infallible). The one thing I hate about this place is that if you don't agree with what all the posters around you have to say then you're somehow a bad fan and you don't know what you're looking at. It's always been that way here and before at the other board. Maybe it's part of being a sports fan or something, I don't know. Texecutioner lately spends more time telling people that they aren't qualified to talk about football than anyone I've ever seen. and now you're going to wade in and complain about all the miserable fans? Guess what? I'm not miserable. I'm perfectly happy with my football experience this year. Could it be better? Sure.
If it ends in one of these
then yes, it will be better. Even if it doesn't it's the best season they've ever had. What's not to like? Why does dissent about details or the play of a few guys have to translate into my being miserable fan to you? You see, instead of discussing the relative merits of these things (I think we need to go in another direction at QB, maybe you don't agree, we go back and forth... you know) instead we get all this posing and posturing from a bunch of fans who think they're self appointed fan-ambassadors or something. Like Saudi "moral police" they run up and down the board telling people that they are whiners for not whistling Zip-a-Dee-Doo-da out their asses because the Texans have 12 wins. To me that is what makes a miserable fan.
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ThaShark316
#28
Agreed completely.
I can't fault folks for being skeptical...that said...Texans fans...?
\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ (why so serious?)
For me, the answer is no. Nothing wrong with fans who are constructively critical of their team. The ones that I think are "miserable" fans are the ones who rip the team when they are down. We lose a game then it's "they can't do this" "they can't do that" "they're worthless here, they're worthless there" but when we win it's "we're number one" "we're the number one team" "we're the beat"
We aren't on the field getting hammered. We aren't in the locker room. We can't do crap to fix it. But supporting your team means being supportive. Let's say your brother is an alcoholic. Are you being supportive if you tear him a new one if he falls off the wagon? You don't need to be an enabler, just be honest. Let him know you are there for him.
We've got issues, going into Indy isn't going to be easy. But acting like we already lost. Cussing Gary for screwing up "our" play off seeding. Cutting Matt Schaub for losing a game we haven't played, that's not being supportive, that's not being a fan.
When your comments sound like the same crap a tacks fan would be saying here, you aren't being supportive, you aren't being a fan. Period.
michaelm
vox nihili
2007 Dallas Cowboys:
At one point 12-1.
Stumbled to a 13-3 record, but ended up as #1 seed with 1st round bye, and home field throughout playoffs.
Lost their first playoff game at home to the 10-6 New York Giants, who peaked at the right time, and went on to win the Super Bowl.
This Texans season is looking very similar to that Cowboys season, much to my chagrin, and the delight of my jackass Cowgirls fan friend who pointed out the similarities to me.
This Texans team is not currently good enough to go to the Super Bowl, despite their current record.
If you can't see that, you are an extreme homer, or just extraordinarily optimistic.
Tailgate
Fall of Hame
So you think this team is a Super Bowl favorite??? Because thats what a 12-3 team would normally imply, correct?
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
2010 Falcons
2011 Packers
1998 Vikings
we won't be the 1st, certainly won't be the last.
This team is slumping at the worst possible time. Every facet of this team, from coaching to all three phases, they seem to be in a collective funk and out-of-sync with each other. Teams need to hit the playoffs on fire, riding a wave of peak performances. The Texans are doing the exact opposite from all perspectives.
JJ Watt and Andre Johnson are the only players that seem to show up with their "A games" week in and week out. We expect that from them, they are our superstars. But they cannot win games by themselves. The rest of the team needs to pull it's collective heads out of their collective butts if they don't want to embarrass themselves in the post-season.
1st and goal on the 1 yard line and this team cannot get a freakin' FOOT??!!! Do we really need to wonder if this is a Super Bowl caliber team when they are punked for a freakin' foot by the Vikings??! For real? We have always heard that a pro team should be able to get a yard when required. Well here's a 12 win team that is spotted two feet of that yard, given 3-4 downs to do it, and come up looking like crap. Bad play calling, bad execution, and just a pathetic outcome. Start on the 1 with a 1st down and then kick from around the 20? PATHETIC. That series epitomized the Texans of the past few weeks.
JJ Watt and Andre Johnson are the only players that seem to show up with their "A games" week in and week out. We expect that from them, they are our superstars. But they cannot win games by themselves. The rest of the team needs to pull it's collective heads out of their collective butts if they don't want to embarrass themselves in the post-season.
1st and goal on the 1 yard line and this team cannot get a freakin' FOOT??!!! Do we really need to wonder if this is a Super Bowl caliber team when they are punked for a freakin' foot by the Vikings??! For real? We have always heard that a pro team should be able to get a yard when required. Well here's a 12 win team that is spotted two feet of that yard, given 3-4 downs to do it, and come up looking like crap. Bad play calling, bad execution, and just a pathetic outcome. Start on the 1 with a 1st down and then kick from around the 20? PATHETIC. That series epitomized the Texans of the past few weeks.
rush2112mn
Rookie
How about pissed off you could not take care of business at home and have to go on the road to Indy where you have never won. Miserable....pissed off.....I could go on......
markn
All Pro
In our last 6 games we've gone to OT with 2 of the worst teams in football, had decent wins against the Titans and Colts and been absolutely slaughtered by Minnesota and New England. That's not the form of a team that expects to go deep in the playoffs. The mood and expectations among the fan base is understandably lower.
I maintain we were never as good as we looked early in the season and we're not as bad as we look right now. I expect us to beat the Colts and whoever comes through the 4 seed game and then lose to the winner of Denver vs NE. That would make for a good season, and is about the ceiling we can expect under the Schaub/Kubiak regime.
I maintain we were never as good as we looked early in the season and we're not as bad as we look right now. I expect us to beat the Colts and whoever comes through the 4 seed game and then lose to the winner of Denver vs NE. That would make for a good season, and is about the ceiling we can expect under the Schaub/Kubiak regime.
Thorn
Dirty Old Man
That's it in a nutshell. IMO, that's all that needs to be said. If they stay where they are at, they'll be one and done. If they get their collective act togeather maybe they'll win a playoff game or two. Who knows? No one on this board knows because we haven't even gotten to the damn playoffs yet.
I'm waiting for the Indy game. If they keep up this funk they are in, and lose that game, I'll jump back into the Fire Kubiak thread like a flame to straw. Count on it. Other than that, I'm not sure what my reaction will be if they win. Kind of depends on how they win.
I agree insomuch that most of our early wins were against poor competition. But we did beat the Broncos, even though Manning was rusty, that's no excuse for that defense. We beat the Ravens, while they weren't the Super Bowl Ravens, they weren't the bad team that lost 3 in a row either. We beat Chicago before they started having issues. They started that game with all their starters, Cutler & Marshall were on a roll.
So we weren't "#1 seed" good, but we weren't "the worst 12-3 team" either.
Hopefully, we'll be a better team come February & we'll be a team worthy of representing the AFC in the Super Bowl.
No team ever ends the season the same as they started. Some get better along the way. Some get worse. Some peak mid season, some get their second wind. Hopefully, we're about to catch our second wind.
I know it's hope, but to me, it's no different than the hope Patriots fans have that Brady or Welker don't get hurt. Or that Manning will be clutch in the play offs. Or that Ray Rice will carry that team to the Super Bowl.
Now that we've got everybody back healthy, it's totally possible that we're back on our way up.
Nawzer
Alienz
We have every right to be feeling down about this team. It's quite possible that the team actually DID peak midway through the season. The players, coaches and fans said the same thing that team hadn't played an all around game. But that may very well could've been the best this team has to offer this year. The offense is in a bad way right now with bad signs on the offensive line. That's a big problem to have at this point in the season because that line is a unit and the other hand, it's hard to quickly fix an entire unit as opposed to an individual player. In addition, Schaub has clearly regressed over the pass few weeks. His throws are off and even his completions are off target. So there are legitimate reasons for being miserable or down because there are some serious problems on the offense and Kubiak doesn't really inspire confidence as a problem fixer.
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Surreal McCoy
Rookie
Exactly. For the longest time the TT mantra was 'show me the Ws!'. Well, we've got as many Ws as any Houston professional football team has ever achieved and now that's not good enough. Goalposts = moved. The moaning is also somewhat limited on TT, have a listen to the call in shows or worse, read the Comical comments sections. Worst fans in the country without a doubt.
Nothing at all wrong about being down about the team. I'm sure several of the players & there'd better be a few coaches feeling down about this team.
But they're not giving up.
Ironically, Kubiak is being criticized for quitting.
2012Champs
Hall of Fame
I dont think being 12-3 would imply Super Bowl Favorites and no more telling than this season with a couple teams with that record. SOS plays into this a lot as does momentum
US!:mariopalm: We are backing into the playoffs no matter how you look at it. Teams that back in historically don't do well. It's depressing because of the way we started off. I don't see how anyone could be confident after the way we have played the last 6 games.
2012Champs
Hall of Fame
I think the term backing into the playoffs is being missused by yourself and others. The Texans arent getting into the playoffs because of other teams losing at the end of the season
Nawzer
Alienz
I sure as hell hope they're not giving up. They're being paid to not give up. I certainly don't think the team has quit or anything like that, but our offense is just not playing well. I also don't think Kubiak has quit or anything, I just don't know if he has the ability to turn this team around.
Tailgate
Fall of Hame
Semantics. But yes, on most years a 12+ win team is usually ONE of the favorites to make it to the Super Bowl in that conference. There are exceptions of course, including this years Texans team.
So regular season wins are good enough for you? I guess this Sunday is your Super Bowl?
Worsts fans in the country? Whatever. Same city has produced 11 straight seasons of sellouts at Reliant. Only three winning seasons in that 11, as well.
You seem seem to like the koolaid drinking sunshine pumpers with rainbows blasting out of their butts to be considered "good fans".
I think this has been a very patient fanbase.
When we were 2-14, people just wanted wins.
When we were 9-7, people wanted to see the playoffs for the first time.
Now that we have a playoff team, we are supposed to just be satisfied according to your homer logic?
How about having some higher standards and wanting more than just the Houston Oilers 2.0 for this franchise?
Woopie Doooooo!!!!!!!!! We sure is hell aint heading to the playoffs with a head of steam.
beerlover
Hall of Fame
It's not just Texan fans, media outlets think similar in terms & that's without vested interest. When a team that went 2-14 is considered a favorite over their divisional champion & holder of 12-3 record something is amiss. This is what Bleecher just posted & it would seem to echo what may fans here (moderator included) have already posted http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...rts-expert-consensus-week-17-nfl-picks/page/5
I loved the Oilers with all my heart but please PLEASE don't let this team become known as the Houston Oilers 2.0.
Surreal McCoy
Rookie
Ahh yes, the homer card. Nothing worse than being called a fan of the team I support?
Nawzer
Alienz
I love our fanbase. We're not willing to put up with crap like other fanbases. If our teams don't play well we don't support them with our hard earned dollars. The Rockets sucked for a long time and Toyota Center was empty, but now we have an exciting team and there are a lot more people going to the games. Same thing with the Astros when last year we sucked balls and hardly anyone went to the games and anyone even talked about the Astros. Honestly, I was interested for about 2 months and then I kind of forgot about their existence. Same thing applies with the Texans. You win you get the love and if you don't well screw off. I don't know why as a fanbase we have tolerate mediocre sports teams. I wish Houston fans were more vociferous in their displeasure.
2012Champs
Hall of Fame
Woopie Doooo keep using a term incorrectly. I was simply pointing out the Texans didnt back in to anything
I think we were the Super Bowl favorites until the Patriots mopped the floors throughout Gillette stadium with us. There were concerns up to then, but after the Patriots, those concerns were real problems.
Of all the teams going into the play-offs right now, I think we're the 4th, 5th best team.
- New England
- Denver
- Cincinnati
- Baltimore
- Texans
- Colts
I think it's a toss up between us & the Ravens, but their most recent shellacking of the Giants puts them ahead... slightly.
I guess we could all pretend like this is European soccer where there are no playoffs and the team with the most wins during the season is crowned the champion when the season is over.
Actually, that won't get it done either. In that scenario the Falcons would be holding NFL champions cup after Sunday.
Thorn
Dirty Old Man
Ahh yes, the homer card. Nothing worse than being called a fan of the team I support?
This does get a bit old. I'm a fan, and right now I'm doing a bit of fence sitting until the Indy game. When the team was 2-14 I was a fan and was calling for Kubiak's head on a stick. I'll still be a fan if the team wins the superbowl or is one and done in the playoffs. Depending on what happens I'll be ecstatic and loving the world or calling for Kubiak's head on a stick.
I'm a fan. It's what I do.
To be fair, when this thing started 10 years ago, fans here on this board were saying we wanted a perennial play-off team. Nobody expected us to win the Super Bowl every year, but we wanted a contender more times than not.
What he's saying, is that we keep moving the target. We are where we said we wanted to be & we're not happy.
I understand, most of us are upset because we think we are on the verge of blowing our second Super Bowl opportunity, 2011 being our first.
I'm there. I think if we don't win it all this year, we've blown an excellent opportunity & who knows when we'll have the same kind of opportunity.
I personally don't think there is an issue there. But to cry about it like it's already happened doesn't make sense to me. I'm not saying you're crying, I haven't noticed your posts enough to put you in that group. But there are guys here, who want to blow the whole thing up & we are currently the number 1 seed in the AFC.......
Just doesn't make sense.
NitroGSXR
Super Sic #58
This does get a bit old. I'm a fan, and right now I'm doing a bit of fence sitting until the Indy game. When the team was 2-14 I was a fan and was calling for Kubiak's head on a stick. I'll still be a fan if the team wins the superbowl or is one and done in the playoffs. Depending on what happens I'll be ecstatic and loving the world or calling for Kubiak's head on a stick.
I'm a fan. It's what I do.
I didn't know that Kubiak was the coach for 2-14.
eriadoc
Texan-American
Maybe y'all should get together with the other local authorities on "How To Be A Fan" and make a sticky. That way the rest of us would know how.
I could point out the obvious sarcasm in this thread, or I could just invoke Thorn and say KMA.
Thorn
Dirty Old Man
I didn't know that Kubiak was the coach for 2-14.
You're right. I was thinking of the 6-10 record from 2010 when I made that post. Oops.
rush2112mn
Rookie
Not only fire Kubiak...but start looking for your next qb.........