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Schaub #2 all time, passing yards in a game?

I believe there was some people asking for more passing by Schaub in the 20k thread a couple of weeks ago, think I posted pointing out that Kubes has a pretty itchy trigger to air it out when behind. Didn't even need the itchy trigger today we were well out of the game in the 4th Q and went nuts to bring it back.

When Kubes said we need to find more ways to win this week, I'm not sure that was exactly what he had in mind, but we still got the W, and aside from the two INT's, I was pleased to see that we do still have it through the air.

Kubiak calls a really very extreme percentages game, if we're ahead, we run the ball with the odd pass thrown in to stop the D from cheating, behind? Air it out with just the odd run here and there for the same purposes.

Its kept games close and led to respectable records when we've had a porous D and sketchy OLine play (8-8 years) and it seems to work a charm now too.

Happy with the win today, and that is the most important, I hear the coaches do an all-nighter tonight due to the Thursday game to get the gameplan ready for the players to come into on Monday, well they have a ****load of things to go through on our own game before they move on to looking at how the Lions play. 9-1, just win baby!
 
Schaub had his typical questionable throws but dammit if he didn't come up HUGE. Next time someone says, "Schaub isn't clutch", show them this game too.
 
It's crazy how fine a line it came to. If we had lost that game, people would probably blame Kubiak/schaub.
 
Only Schaub can throw for over 500 yards, complete 43 passes, and 5 touchdowns while going largely unnoticed.

His modest style may not excite fans, but I guarantee you his teammates and coaches love the guy and believe in him. The dude can play. Those 527 yards weren't cheap. That last throw was the only screen pass of the game and there were no quick slants taken for 80 yards. I don't even recall a great catch. Nope... he just continued to fit the ball softly into his receivers' hands, over and over and over... Greg Graham, Owen Daniels, James Casey, and Kevin Walter combined for about 200 yards.
 
buddyboy said:
It's crazy how fine a line it came to. If we had lost that game, people would probably blame Kubiak/schaub.
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What, you think this just means all is forgiven of Kubiak???

We got the win, but damnation Kubiak went back and forth all day long...doing things that made sense (causing us to succeed), then deviating from it (causing us to suck). It was the most wish washy playcalling day I have seen in a long, long time.

The determination of our guys out there, and a bit of the Jags losing their nerve in important moments, saved our asses today.

Whether it is Dennison or Kubiak or both, I don't know, but this game and the GB game are the only two games I've seen our defense play a bit "off." This thing of the Texans' offense kicking back and sort of sleepwalking, it happens too often. We're a great team, though, and the leadership by Schaub & his offense is what is willing this team to victories.

Schaub is QB of the year, IMO. Period.
 
dalemurphy said:
Only Schaub can throw for over 500 yards, complete 43 passes, and 5 touchdowns while going largely unnoticed.

His modest style may not excite fans, but I guarantee you his teammates and coaches love the guy and believe in him. The dude can play. Those 527 yards weren't cheap. That last throw was the only screen pass of the game and there were no quick slants taken for 80 yards. I don't even recall a great catch. Nope... he just continued to fit the ball softly into his receivers' hands, over and over and over... Greg Graham, Owen Daniels, James Casey, and Kevin Walter combined for about 200 yards.
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Honestly, if Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, or Brees put up these numbers, the media would be slobbering all over it. Schaub will never get that kind of attention, and I think that's probably the way Schaub wants it. I have been worried all year that we are not being tested in games and that could hurt us in the playoffs. It's good to see that our offense responded in a big way when it needed to. That was a big win and it came from a QB who should (but probably never will) be mentioned when talk of current elite QBs is mentioned.
 
GP said:
What, you think this just means all is forgiven of Kubiak???

We got the win, but damnation Kubiak went back and forth all day long...doing things that made sense (causing us to succeed), then deviating from it (causing us to suck). It was the most wish washy playcalling day I have seen in a long, long time.

The determination of our guys out there, and a bit of the Jags losing their nerve in important moments, saved our asses today.

Whether it is Dennison or Kubiak or both, I don't know, but this game and the GB game are the only two games I've seen our defense play a bit "off." This thing of the Texans' offense kicking back and sort of sleepwalking, it happens too often. We're a great team, though, and the leadership by Schaub & his offense is what is willing this team to victories.

Schaub is QB of the year, IMO. Period.
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I have wondered if the reps players were getting were because of the short week. Forsett played a lot more than expected (and probably should be getting a lot more carries based on his play today). Kubes still frustrates me with his playcalls, but you take the good with the bad. He's done good for this team and we can't just give all the credit to Wade Phillips.

Second on the Schaub for QB of the year. He's clearly been the best game manager.
 
I remember watching the Oilers game against the Chiefs when Moon threw for 527. Seems like the Oilers let up at the end and got the win and did not make an effort to break Van Brocklin's record which I think Moon would have easily done.
 
hradhak said:
I have wondered if the reps players were getting were because of the short week. Forsett played a lot more than expected (and probably should be getting a lot more carries based on his play today). Kubes still frustrates me with his playcalls, but you take the good with the bad. He's done good for this team and we can't just give all the credit to Wade Phillips.

Second on the Schaub for QB of the year. He's clearly been the best game manager.
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It's impossible to make some people happy, especially GP :)

Whose play call was it that allow the Texans to score the most point ever?

Did Kubiak tell Graham to miss the FG?

Did Kubiak tell Wade he'd better have his defense sucking?

Come on guys :)
 
76Texan said:
It's impossible to make some people happy, especially GP :)

Whose play call was it that allow the Texans to score the most point ever?

Did Kubiak tell Graham to miss the TWO FG's?

Did Kubiak tell Wade he'd better have his defense sucking?

Come on guys :)
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:pissed:
 
GP said:
What, you think this just means all is forgiven of Kubiak???

We got the win, but damnation Kubiak went back and forth all day long...doing things that made sense (causing us to succeed), then deviating from it (causing us to suck). It was the most wish washy playcalling day I have seen in a long, long time.

The determination of our guys out there, and a bit of the Jags losing their nerve in important moments, saved our asses today.

Whether it is Dennison or Kubiak or both, I don't know, but this game and the GB game are the only two games I've seen our defense play a bit "off." This thing of the Texans' offense kicking back and sort of sleepwalking, it happens too often. We're a great team, though, and the leadership by Schaub & his offense is what is willing this team to victories.

Schaub is QB of the year, IMO. Period.
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If it's on Kubiak's shoulders when the team and HIS players fail, then he should also get credit when the team and his players succeed. It should not be, "Schaub won despite Kubiak, but Kubiak is the head coach, so he is to blame for the losses". Just like Kubiak was responsible for the defensive woes with Frank Bush and company, but has zero to do with our defense this year or last.

I'm not saying all is forgiven, please understand that. I'm saying that win or lose, Kubiak deserves both credit and blame, but not all of it in either case.
 
Kubiak fumbled (Foster) and threw two INT's (Schaub) .... Kubiak gave up three TD's on third down's two of them 60+ yards .... Kubiak missed two FG's ..... Yep , Kubiak did all that and still found a way to eeek out a W.
 
Strangely, being the Kubiak disser I normally am, I don't feel a need to get on him today. Yeah, the defense laid a big turd today, but that's more on Wade than Kubiak. We all know the story there. Kubiak's offense saved our asses today.
 
gwallaia said:
I remember watching the Oilers game against the Chiefs when Moon threw for 527. Seems like the Oilers let up at the end and got the win and did not make an effort to break Van Brocklin's record which I think Moon would have easily done.
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That's before my time. But my Dad tells me that Moon got pulled for the backup early in the 4th quarter of that game, and that he would have easily broken the record if they'd let him stay in. So basically, Warren Moon holds that honor with 3 quarters of work. Amazing.
 
SrslySirius said:
That's before my time. But my Dad tells me that Moon got pulled for the backup early in the 4th quarter of that game, and that he would have easily broken the record if they'd let him stay in. So basically, Warren Moon holds that honor with 3 quarters of work. Amazing.
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The ole chuck and duck (run and shoot) was fun to watch .... but I'll never forget that damn Barfalo game they lost after leading .... 35-3 in the 3rd quarter .... Not to mention it was the Bills backup QB Frank Reich and not Jim Kelly under center.


That led to .... the hiring of Buddy Ryan and this incident


Buddy Ryan: f luck your chuck and duck.
 
SrslySirius said:
That's before my time. But my Dad tells me that Moon got pulled for the backup early in the 4th quarter of that game, and that he would have easily broken the record if they'd let him stay in. So basically, Warren Moon holds that honor with 3 quarters of work. Amazing.
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Moon wasn't pulled for the backup. He played the entire game. But rather than call more passing plays in order to get Moon the record in the closing minutes, the coaches rightly decided to run out the clock.
 
TexansFanatic said:
Moon wasn't pulled for the backup. He played the entire game. But rather than call more passing plays in order to get Moon the record in the closing minutes, the coaches rightly decided to run out the clock.
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Ah. Well my Dad does seem to have selective memory. Thanks for clearing that up.

I know some folks will downplay this accomplishment because we got an extra possession in overtime. But posting HISTORIC numbers, I should think, would quiet some doubts people have about Matt Schaub's ability to carry this team to victory. He might not post 400 yards every week, but he sure as hell seems to come through when it counts.
 
SrslySirius said:
Ah. Well my Dad does seem to have selective memory. Thanks for clearing that up.

I know some folks will downplay this accomplishment because we got an extra possession in overtime. But posting HISTORIC numbers, I should think, would quiet some doubts people have about Matt Schaub's ability to carry this team to victory. He might not post 400 yards every week, but he sure as hell seems to come through when it counts.
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He had posted great numbers in consecutive seasons (4500+ back to back , I believe only 9 QB's in history have accomplished the feat - from memory).

We all know he can throw the damn ball around and he's executed some 4th quarter comebacks (to be let down by the defense three times in 2010).


I think the biggest two knocks on Schaub are his lack of mobility (ability to extend plays) and that he doesnt have a cannon for an arm. Both would be fair criticism.

But , you do have to acknowledge the fact that he's "usually" very accurate , doesnt make many mistakes and is one of the best "ball handlers" in the NFL. (He probably left 50-75 yards on the field today with poor throws)


To be honest , I dont think he was really on top of his game today .... until that stretch of 16 straight completions.

One thing for sure , he's got to be more careful with the ball - Int last week , Two and a fumble this week. Very uncharacteristic mistakes by Schaub ..... You dont often lose the turnover battle and win in the NFL - Today they got away with one.
 
TexansFanatic said:
Moon wasn't pulled for the backup. He played the entire game. But rather than call more passing plays in order to get Moon the record in the closing minutes, the coaches rightly decided to run out the clock.
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Yeah, they pulled in the reins when the game was clearly in hand, but if I recall correctly, Pardee said later that he didn't realize how close Moon was to the record, or he would have let him try to get it.

KC ended up going 11-5 that season. Kevin Ross and Albert Lewis were their starting CBs back then, and many believed they were the best pair in the NFL at the time. Both went to the Pro Bowl that year, and Lewis was All Pro.
 
Corrosion said:
He had posted great numbers in consecutive seasons (4500+ back to back , I believe only 9 QB's in history have accomplished the feat - from memory).
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Close but not quite. Schaub is 1 of 12 QB's in nfl history to throw for 4,000 in back to back seasons. Only 5 have thrown for 4,500 back to back: Philip Rivers (2010-11), Dan Fouts (1980-81), Warren Moon (1990-91), Peyton Manning (2009-10) and Drew Brees (2010-11).
 
He also holds the record for most passing yards by a visiting QB in Lambeau and did it during the coldest game of the year - 414 yds.
 
ChampionTexan said:
if I recall correctly, Pardee said later that he didn't realize how close Moon was to the record, or he would have let him try to get it.
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That does sound vaguely familiar.

ChampionTexan said:
KC ended up going 11-5 that season. Kevin Ross and Albert Lewis were their starting CBs back then, and many believed they were the best pair in the NFL at the time. Both went to the Pro Bowl that year, and Lewis was All Pro.
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Wow, I had forgotten that. I just looked at KC's coaching staff that year. Bill Cowher was the defensive coordinator and Tony Dungy was the defensive backs coach.
 
MistaRed said:
Close but not quite. Schaub is 1 of 12 QB's in nfl history to throw for 4,000 in back to back seasons. Only 5 have thrown for 4,500 back to back: Philip Rivers (2010-11), Dan Fouts (1980-81), Warren Moon (1990-91), Peyton Manning (2009-10) and Drew Brees (2010-11).
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I didnt bother to look it up .... Just went from memory knowing the list was short. Thanks for filling in the blanks in my memory.

Thats some lofty company with Fouts , Manning and Brees ....

I probably dont give Moon or Rivers the credit they are due but they remind me of one another as they'll make some big plays and then make critical mistakes.
 
Wade is a great DC. But he didn't play up to 50-50 with Kubiak. When this team plays 50-50, we have our best games. When one half plays better than the other, we have off days. Our mark of greatness is that we win regardless. Yes, the defense was off today. I feel that Kubiak is taking the heat even after bailing out Wade. Yes, I realize that Wade has bailed Kubiak out more times, but remember 2010. Kubiak is not an idiot. The man is an offensive guru who has been let down by crappy defenses many times. He showed how clutch he can be, and how clutch Matt Schaub can be when this ballclub needs it. The 2010 offense has woken up. They, with Wade's D, make this team unstoppable

:aggressive: :aggressive:.
 
He threw the ball 14 times to Andre Johnson & every one was dang near uncontested.

How does a man get wtf open 14 times when they know we're going to throw the ball & he's our best receiver?
 
Fiddler said:
He threw the ball 14 times to Andre Johnson & every one was dang near uncontested.

How does a man get wtf open 14 times when they know we're going to throw the ball & he's our best receiver?
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Andre was actually targeted 19 times.

Quick answer to your question: Johnson is better than the guys trying to cover him.
 
buddyboy said:
If it's on Kubiak's shoulders when the team and HIS players fail, then he should also get credit when the team and his players succeed. It should not be, "Schaub won despite Kubiak, but Kubiak is the head coach, so he is to blame for the losses". Just like Kubiak was responsible for the defensive woes with Frank Bush and company, but has zero to do with our defense this year or last.

I'm not saying all is forgiven, please understand that. I'm saying that win or lose, Kubiak deserves both credit and blame, but not all of it in either case.
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In his first two or three seasons here as HC, I was able to give him a pass on days when things fell apart.

Seeing as how he's well into his tenure as a HC now, no. When the team looks flat, slow, uninterested in focusing and doing consistently good work...that's 100% "on Kubiak."

Granted, the team never freaked out today. So he obviously has them coached up overall, it's just the small details that get me pissed off at him.
 
GP said:
In his first two or three seasons here as HC, I was able to give him a pass on days when things fell apart.

Seeing as how he's well into his tenure as a HC now, no. When the team looks flat, slow, uninterested in focusing and doing consistently good work...that's 100% "on Kubiak."

Granted, the team never freaked out today. So he obviously has them coached up overall, it's just the small details that get me pissed off at him.
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This is stupid. We used to do the same thing to the Colts when they were king of the AFC South. Whether we finished 2-14 or 9-7, the Colts (& their fans) knew they had better bring their A-game. Nodoby thought the Colts were flat when we beat them or gave them a game when we weren't very good.
 
Fiddler said:
This is stupid. We used to do the same thing to the Colts when they were king of the AFC South. Whether we finished 2-14 or 9-7, the Colts (& their fans) knew they had better bring their A-game. Nodoby thought the Colts were flat when we beat them or gave them a game when we weren't very good.
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This is true and the exact same thing I said about our win after the game today. Nobody ever apologized to us when it took miracles for Manning to come from behind to beat us. Instead they looked at those wins as The Colts being that good. We need to do the same thing!!! We have a good team.
 
Fiddler said:
This is stupid. We used to do the same thing to the Colts when they were king of the AFC South. Whether we finished 2-14 or 9-7, the Colts (& their fans) knew they had better bring their A-game. Nodoby thought the Colts were flat when we beat them or gave them a game when we weren't very good.
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If I happened to be a Patriots fan, and Coach Bill didn't have his team prepared, focused, and playing their guts out in a game...I'd say the same thing about Bill.

Sometimes you guys live in a vacuum on this stuff. This isn't me "hating on Kubiak," this is me just saying that a coach of his tenure, with his talent, should have his offense geared up and playing supremely focused football every week. Those guys have a window, and they better get through the window before it closes. Slow and steady wins the race is good up until the last few yards of the race...then you better pour it on and finish the job.
 
GP said:
If I happened to be a Patriots fan, and Coach Bill didn't have his team prepared, focused, and playing their guts out in a game...I'd say the same thing about Bill.

Sometimes you guys live in a vacuum on this stuff. This isn't me "hating on Kubiak," this is me just saying that a coach of his tenure, with his talent, should have his offense geared up and playing supremely focused football every week. Those guys have a window, and they better get through the window before it closes. Slow and steady wins the race is good up until the last few yards of the race...then you better pour it on and finish the job.
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They weren't calling for the coaches head when the Bills whupped them last year. They weren't calling for his head when they lost to Arizona & Seattle this year.

It's the NFL. Pulling out a close one in OT vs the Jags should not be a negative on our team or our coach.
 
GP said:
If I happened to be a Patriots fan, and Coach Bill didn't have his team prepared, focused, and playing their guts out in a game...I'd say the same thing about Bill.

Sometimes you guys live in a vacuum on this stuff. This isn't me "hating on Kubiak," this is me just saying that a coach of his tenure, with his talent, should have his offense geared up and playing supremely focused football every week. Those guys have a window, and they better get through the window before it closes. Slow and steady wins the race is good up until the last few yards of the race...then you better pour it on and finish the job.
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This offense just set records and you're saying it's not geared up? We're halfway through the race and you're asking for them to pour it on and finish the job? The point to pour it on and finish the job is in the playoffs.

Personally, I think it's you having unrealistic expectations. We've put some ass-whoopings on some good teams this year. We've beaten teams by shutting them down in defensive battles; we've beaten teams by outscoring them in shoot-outs. We're 9-1.

During the game thread, you were saying "patience." I think you need to say that to yourself just a bit.
 
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