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Who would you choose to build an NFL franchise around?
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YoungTexanFan
All Pro
LT! he does it all...he runs, catches, and throws for TD's 
TexanAlmighty
Waterboy
Lt!
GoPats
Waterboy
Fiddy said:
All I know is that the Pats won two Super Bowls with Antowain Smith as their running back. There haven't been too many teams that have won it all without a great QB (Trent Dilfer, Brad Johnson, etc, but those teams were known for their Ds). I just think it's a more important position... has nothing to do with which team I like the most. Hey, I didn't put Brady's name in the poll.
Fiddy
All Pro
Don't tell me your not bias towards Brady, he is your QB, I understand. I bet most Colts fans would take Manning. I'm not saying there is no reason to take either, they are great players, but one of your factors for taking Brady is that you see him every week. If the poll was "which WR would you build a team around" and AJ was on the list, I'd be bias towards him.GoPats said:
R
real
Guest
trent dilfer and brad johnson weren't that hotGoPats said:
Tom Brady in a heartbeat. He might not put up the numbers and all that jazz, but he's cool under pressure and doesn't get rattled.
He's 9-0 in the postseason, and has a 61%+ completion percentage since 2001. In addition, I read recently that he's already got well over 20 come-from-behind winning drives in the 4th quarter/overtime, and the guy is in his mid 20's!
Even Joe Montana, the man himself, said Brady is the next Joe Montana. And who can argue with three NFL Championships in four years?
Never underestimate the heart of a champion!
I'd pick LT, but RBs have a tendency to wear out by their 30s. A good QB can last well into his late 30's if he's protected and takes care of himself.
He's 9-0 in the postseason, and has a 61%+ completion percentage since 2001. In addition, I read recently that he's already got well over 20 come-from-behind winning drives in the 4th quarter/overtime, and the guy is in his mid 20's!
Even Joe Montana, the man himself, said Brady is the next Joe Montana. And who can argue with three NFL Championships in four years?
Never underestimate the heart of a champion!
I'd pick LT, but RBs have a tendency to wear out by their 30s. A good QB can last well into his late 30's if he's protected and takes care of himself.
Kaiser Toro
Native Mod
I will take LT for $1000 Alex.
awtysst
Draft Guru
Other.
When building an NFL team you have to have a good Offenisve line. The most important player on the Oline is the LT. Thus I would select Walter Jones, LT from Seattle. he creates huge holes for Shaun Alexander and can do so for any runner. While a good Qb is nice to have, and a versatile runner would be great, you have to have someone to protect them and open up holes for them.
When building an NFL team you have to have a good Offenisve line. The most important player on the Oline is the LT. Thus I would select Walter Jones, LT from Seattle. he creates huge holes for Shaun Alexander and can do so for any runner. While a good Qb is nice to have, and a versatile runner would be great, you have to have someone to protect them and open up holes for them.
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real
Guest
youre just saying that because youre used to watching the pathetic texans line, if you were a denver fan where they always have a good line youd probably be saying quaterback or some other skill position. If you have a decent o-line with outrageous skill players, then that equals victoryawtysst said:
Napa Auto Parts
Veteran
I think i would go with other either Eli Manning or Carson palmer im taking Youth in to consideration.
awtysst
Draft Guru
xtruroyaltyx said:
Denver has a pretty solid line. look at the top rushers and teams, what do they have in common? A Good O-Line. priest has constantly had a good oline in KC. Sae thing for LT in SD and Alexander in Seattle. how about peyton and Edge in Indy or the infmaous Pittsburg line? The li9st goes on and on. Face it, without a Line, an amazing back is average at best hurt a lot at worst.
Napa Auto Parts
Veteran
Well i tend to believe that a great running back make a line great except in Denver.
GoPats
Waterboy
Fiddy said:
Oh sure, of course... I mean, how could you not lean toward Brady under the circumstances? The question was who to build a franchise around, presumably with the goal of winning championships, and no one on the list is more of a proven commodity in that regard than Tom Brady. That's all I'm saying... I agree with you though.
awtysst
Draft Guru
tulexan said:
Ok. However, how many great backs are in the league right now?
McGahee, Ronnie Brown, Rudi, Wiillie Parker,Bettis, Priest, LJ, Edge, Lamont Jordan, LT, Jamal Lewis(usually), Westbrook, Portis, Alexander, etc
Thats 15 great backs that I named off the top of my head. At Lt's Level, I would say priest, LJ, Alexander, Lewis of old, and maybe Portis are on his level. Thats maybe 5 in the league.
Now lets look at LTs. The best Lts in tha league are: Walter Jones, Pace, and Jon Ogden. Ogden has not been all that good this season and is getting up there in age. Pace is possibly the only other LT at the level of Walter Jones, but I am not sure if he is. Thats maybe 2 strong LTs in the league.
How many quality RBs come out each year? Usually a handful of real good backs come out each year. This year might be a bit different, but the point is if you need a solid back you can usually find him in the first few rounds each year. Priest and What about Lts? Really solid Lts do not come out each year.
Edge: 98,Alexander:99 draft, Tomilson: 00 draft. Thats just a short list but as you can see, really strong backs can come out yearly. Who have been the best LTs to have come out the last few years? Jordan Cross, Robert Gallery, Klaief Barnes. They are allright, but not at the same level of Walter Jones.
Point is, you HAVE to take a position that is very hard to find with a guy who is the best in the business, and a fairly youthful guy to boot.
Scooter
Funky
i've gotta go with peyton. the pats have been a great TEAM with a great head coach and a good qb. look what happened when indy got a great head coach and now have something resembling a defense. from 2002 to date, indy is 43-14 and new england is 42-15 ... the deciding factor in which team is better is championships. defense wins championships. since manning's only 1 year older than brady and going to the HOF for personal accomplishments as opposed to team accomplishments ... he's got my vote. edge wouldnt be edge without peyton making defenses look silly and denver's proved that good rb's can be made into greats with coaching and scheme (my reasoning for not taking LT).
GoPats
Waterboy
Scooter said:
Very true. But we already know that when the chips are down, Brady will deliver. As good as Manning is, and as pretty as the Colts are sitting right now, we still don't know what will happen to them in the playoffs. They basically disappeared these last two years at the end, and I don't think it's all just because the Patriots were THAT good. I mean, the final score of last year's playoff game was 20-3. When you look at it objectively, the Patriots scored more points on that D two Monday nights ago in a dookie-stomping than they did last January in a victory. And no matter what kind of scheme the Pats played last year, it was still very poor execution by an offense that was, at the time, being talked about as one of the greatest ever. Manning's got the HOF stats, but I still wonder if he's got what it takes to win it all. Even with a good D.
Huge
All Pro
San Diego was able to post a 12-4 record last year. Was that due to the consistent dominance of Tomlinson (which he does every year...even when they suck) or the improved play of their QB position (Drew Brees)? Brees has regressed a bit this year already throwing more INTs (8) than all of last year (7). Not coincidentally, the Chargers already have as many losses this year as last year. To me, that speaks volumes about which position is more important.Vinny said:
BTW, how is Carson Palmer not even an option for this poll?
J-Storm
Waterboy
MorKnolle said:
Palmer has done more than Carr has done so in that regard he deserves to possibly be on that list and I would have chosen him but I digress...
I took Brady for the simple fact he has been there and done that already. While it's ok to say "Well he had this, he had that, blah blah blah" the fact is he still had to go out and march the guys downfield and he got it done...
Also it was too easy to take LT or Peyton so I decided to sure things up with a QB I know I would love to have at the Texans (with a slightly better O-Line)!
YoungTexanFan
All Pro
Napa Auto Parts said:
Something intelligent you have to say, and i agree with you!
Carson Palmer would be the guy I would go with before peyton and all the others.
Crazy that 14 chose Peyton Manning vs. 4 for Tom Brady.
There both awesome QBs, no doubt about it. But it's like a modern day Dan Marino / Joe Montana thing. One has all the stats, and other has the rings.
There both awesome QBs, no doubt about it. But it's like a modern day Dan Marino / Joe Montana thing. One has all the stats, and other has the rings.
Texas_Thrill
Veteran
Brady has had SOLID O-lines to work behind so he can be COOL under pressure.
If nothing more football is very fundamental. Those fundamentals without good Lineman O or D you can't do any of those PRETTY things behind it.
Give me O-Pace out of those choices I see. Then LT.
If nothing more football is very fundamental. Those fundamentals without good Lineman O or D you can't do any of those PRETTY things behind it.
Give me O-Pace out of those choices I see. Then LT.
run-david-run
All Pro
You also took into account that you are a Pats fan!!! I think the Texans are living proof that a qb does no good without a line! I would have to say LT because he can does it all without a great O-line, unlike Brady, Manning or McNabb..GoPats said: