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YoungTexanFan

YoungTexanFan

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1. D’Brick- LT Virginia
2. Elvis Dumervile-DE Louisville
3. Orin Harris-DT The U
3. Dwayne Slay-FS Texas Tech
4. Justin London-ILB/UCLA
5. Taitusi Lutui-OG USC
6. Skyler Green-WR LSU
7. Kwakou Robinson DT Virginia
 
swtbound07

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and we will do what about tight end exactly? give me d brick and domonique byrd, and i'll be a happy texan
 
YoungTexanFan

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swtbound07 said:
and we will do what about tight end exactly? give me d brick and domonique byrd, and i'll be a happy texan
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There are not many TE's that are good enough quality to draft after the top two. You will end up w/a rivers kind of guy.
 
MorKnolle

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YoungTexanFan said:
1. D’Brick- LT Virginia
2. Elvis Dumervile-DE Louisville
3. Orin Harris-DT The U
3. Dwayne Slay-FS Texas Tech
4. Justin London-ILB/UCLA
5. Taitusi Lutui-OG USC
6. Skyler Green-WR LSU
7. Kwakou Robinson DT Virginia
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Why would we draft another DT when we already have four of them? I would still rather see Winston than Ferguson, but we'll have to wait until the combine and workouts to see who will be better. Not sure if your fifth and sixth round picks will be around that late.
 
YoungTexanFan

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because seth payne is underachieving and gary walker is at the end of a huge contract. in the latter rounds, depth like this is good.
 
beerlover

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The foundation of the Texans was built on too many question marks to attain competitivness early on. Both lines are old & lack talent, Casserly should have been building this critical area of need and sacrificing the early years to build solid, young & talented lines. we need to be adding picks not subtracting valuable picks. it started with Hollings followed by the Babin trades then exasperated by trading both 2nd & 3rd round draft picks in 05.

I have since awknowledged the need to draft the best defensive tackle in the draft last year (Travis Johnson) even if I thought it was Marcus Spears, the point is Casserly/Cappers finally recognized one of their true needs. if they had not made the PB trade they could have then addressed the LT position with Khalif Barnes (playing well with Jacksonville @ LT) and still taken a young CB like Domonique Foxworth (looks very good with Denver).

So taking Orin Harris would make alot of sense to me, especially if the Texans change schemes and go to a 4-3 defense. however I don't feel he grades out as a 3rd pick, he is a solid 2nd rd prospect that could rise into the bottom of the 1st.
 
MorKnolle

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You have us picking him in the third round though, which I doubt he will last that long anyways, and it makes even less sense to draft him if we switch to a 4-3. Seth Payne and Gary Walker have been two of the hardest workers and best performers on our defense this year. We have much bigger needs to fill than DT, we have Payne, Walker, Travis Johnson, and Robaire Smith who are all DTs (plus Ioane and Deloach), and if we switch to a 4-3 next year only two of them will play at a time, although like some other picks, that would depend on our coaching staff and system. I still think we need to address OL (1st and 3rd or 4th rounds), CB (2nd round if there is a good, athletic one available that will actually cover someone), DE/OLB (2nd-4th round, get someone who is athletic and big and can put pressure on a QB, their position will depend on whether we are running a 4-3 or 3-4), SS (Brown should be moved to FS, then pick up a SS in the 3rd round or later, maybe 2nd round if a standout is available). Maybe get a TE, but that shouldn't be real high on our list and that also depends on the system we run. Our current system calls for big, blocking TEs, and some systems don't even really use a TE, so picking one entirely depends on our offensive system and whether we need to draft and/or sign one to fit that system.
 
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Houston_Fan4life

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Houston trade David Carr and 6th round pick to Baltimore for their 2nd round pick........................

1. Vincent Young-QB Texas
2. Johnathan Scott-LT Texas
2. Lenard Pope-TE Georgia ( from Baltimore )
3. Orin Harris-DT Miami ( FL )
3. Sinorice Moss-WR Miami (FL)
4. Will Allen-RT Texas
5. Taitusi Lutui-OG USC
6. Skyler Green-WR LSU ( trade to Baltimore )
7. Kwakou Robinson DT Virginia
 
MorKnolle

MorKnolle

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Houston_Fan4life said:
Houston trade David Carr and 6th round pick to Baltimore for their 2nd round pick........................

1. Vincent Young-QB Texas
2. Johnathan Scott-LT Texas
2. Lenard Pope-TE Georgia ( from Baltimore )
3. Orin Harris-DT Miami ( FL )
3. Sinorice Moss-WR Miami (FL)
4. Will Allen-RT Texas
5. Taitusi Lutui-OG USC
6. Skyler Green-WR LSU ( trade to Baltimore )
7. Kwakou Robinson DT Virginia
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If we're doing a draft straight from our dreams, why don't we get Ferguson and Winston with our first two picks, then Reggie Bush will fall to us in the third round...

We're not trading Carr, Young won't come out and if he does we won't draft him, Johnathan Scott won't fall to the second round, Harris and Moss likely won't fall to the 3rd, and Skyler Green won't fall to the 6th.
 
infantrycak

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Houston_Fan4life said:
Houston trade David Carr and 6th round pick to Baltimore for their 2nd round pick........................
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Once and for all people--the Texans are not going to trade Carr. Either they do not exercise the option bonus before the end of the season and he will be a free agent or they will exercise the option bonus and he will not be traded because if he were traded, the entire amount of the bonus would charge to one year on the cap and become dead money.
 
College Texan

College Texan

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7 Round

1) 1st overall and seventh traded to Jets for both of their first and fourth next year

1A) B'Brick
1B) AJ Hawk
2) Micheal Huff
3) Leonard Pope
3) Bobby Carpenter
4) Skylar Green
5) Selvin Young
6) Traded w/next years sixth and seventh for early fifth/ 5)Taitusi Luitusi
7) traded
 
Coach C.

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Wow this is an interesting post. Some dreams and not alot of meat. I mean trading away more picks when we have tons of holes that makes all the sense in the world.

First we need to be active in FA and lure a guy like Andre Davis ILB cleveland or Lecharles Bentley to our squad not to mention some of the other casualties of cap that will be available use FA to fill immediate holes. Then in the draft we go after 3 stars, 2 potentials, and depth. and we need as many picks as possible.

1. Winston/ Ferguson and if by some weird chance Bush falls we take him
2. If we get Bush grab a OL Withworth, Scott, McNeil, Trueblood, College should be available in round two if not get a DE or Tweener that is a pass rush specialist
3.a. It is time to look for another OL think Interior line or a standout LB-Rocky McIntosh
3b. whichever one we dont take from above or a nice Wideout
4. TE
5. Safety and DL
6. RB if we dont get Bush if we do pass rusher LBorDE
7. who cares just a practice squad player anyway.
 
Blake

Blake

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rmartin65 said:
I like everything but Skyler Green. Why would we pick him?
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Durring LSU's champ year, he was a big factor IMO. About 500 recieving yards on 46 catches, and 5 rushes for 68 yards, or a 13.6 yard per carry average.

Sounds alot like a poor mans Reggie Bush. Now let me get everyones head straight. Im not saying he is as good as reggie, or has as good of stats. Im just saying that I feel Green could replace bush without a significant drop off in numbers on that USC team.
 
College Texan

College Texan

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Selvin reminds me of a Dominick Davis type. I think he can be a good backup and have good consistency like Wells, Morency doesn't have the strength for the position and he is like 26 or something next year. He's a better true RB than Morency. Plus he will probly fall into the second day and he is good value at a late pick. How many second day steals do we have?
 
College Texan

College Texan

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I might change Skylar Geen for a better person but I think my Mock is reasonable


7 Round

1) 1st overall and seventh traded to Jets for both of their first and fourth next year

1A) B'Brick
1B) AJ Hawk
2) Micheal Huff
3) Leonard Pope
3) Bobby Carpenter
4) Skylar Green
5) Selvin Young
6) Traded w/next years sixth and seventh for early fifth/ 5)Taitusi Luitusi
7) traded
 
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rmartin65

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College Texan said:
I might change Skylar Geen for a better person but I think my Mock is reasonable


7 Round

1) 1st overall and seventh traded to Jets for both of their first and fourth next year

1A) B'Brick
1B) AJ Hawk
2) Micheal Huff
3) Leonard Pope
3) Bobby Carpenter
4) Skylar Green
5) Selvin Young
6) Traded w/next years sixth and seventh for early fifth/ 5)Taitusi Luitusi
7) traded
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No way Carpenter lasts till the 3rd.
 
College Texan

College Texan

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I think we have a good chance to get him with our first third, if not then maybe we can get a late second by trading the last third along with something else. Either way I think he can grow into a better player than Hawk and we shouldn't pass him up.
 
R

real

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why are we so obsessed with D'Brick...we need reggie bush...period..we don't have enough guys that can take the ball to the house from anywhere on the field... the o-line has actually gotten better and are giving up fewer sacks and allowing less pressure. we do not need to waste our first pick on o-line when reggie bush is right there and there is such a deep draft for o-line...I think reggie bush is the safer pick, this guy is going to be awesome, and D'Brick propbabaly will be good also but i think the transition to the NFL will prove to be alot easier for a RB rather than a LT. And another thing, Dominic Davis aint that hot. . he's Average nothing more, and the guy gets hurt every year..he will be a good second stringer and nothing more


1- Reggie Bush
2- Jonathan Scott or Max Gean-Giles
3- leonard pope or dominique byrd
4- michael huff
5-Will Allen-RT Texas or Taitusi Lutui-OG USC(whoever is availiable)
6-Best Pass rusher Availiable
7- BPA
 
College Texan

College Texan

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Micheal Huff will not fall that far , you'll be lucky to get slay there, niether will J.Scott, he is a late or mid first, Max Gilles is a third rounder at best.
 
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real

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youre probably right, but my thing is why pass up reggie push when you can get lineman that are "good enough" in the later rounds. The offensive line we have is not that Bad to pass up playmakers, which we have a serious lack of. If anything we need a new O-line Coach We set records for sacks...come on...if that isn't the coaches...our o-line is actually playing a little better since pendry got outta there.
 
tulexan

tulexan

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I don't want a lineman who is good enough. I want the best lineman. And the offensive line that we have is that bad that we have to pass up playmakers. How many times has David Carr been sacked since he has been in the league? Even if the line isn't to blame for all of them, which they aren't, they still have given up way more than any good line should.
 
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real

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tulexan said:
I don't want a lineman who is good enough. I want the best lineman. And the offensive line that we have is that bad that we have to pass up playmakers. How many times has David Carr been sacked since he has been in the league? Even if the line isn't to blame for all of them, which they aren't, they still have given up way more than any good line should.
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thats true but o-lineman are a dime a dozen playmakers aren't.. and thats the thing, there are many oline in the draft that can do an adequate job .you seen one o-lineman you seen em all.. theyre big and supposed to get in the way... why spend such a high pick on one that isn't just hands down the best in the draft, when you can have whats supposed to be one of the greatest playmakers we've seen in a while...
 
College Texan

College Texan

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I will have to wait until the combine to cast my opinion in stone.
reggie reminds me of a LT kind of talent and Brick is a prodject in the making.
It depends on how strong both are cause we already know Reggie is fast and Brick has the best feet. If reggie can run people over from time to time like LT then he is definetely the pick, he still hasn't shown that side of his game though
If brick can show in his game, not being bull rushed back and show more pancaking and mean streak in his run blocking, then this pick will be one of the hardest to make. If both are that good then I would consider to trade Carr for a top 5 pick to get both and pick up Drew Brees in FA'cy.
 
College Texan

College Texan

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Since I do see Marcus Mcniel falling into the second, along with Huff, I think we should trade P-Buch for a second to pick both up. Imagine this scenario, if we trade Carr and get Brick and Bush.

Gaff--------------------Brick--Pitts--Hodgdon--Gilles/W.Allen/Luitusi--M.Mcniel----------------------------AJ
---------------- Pope ---------------------Brees------------------------------------Armstrong




---------------------------------------------R.Bush
 
tulexan

tulexan

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Although most linemen are a dime a dozen, elite linemen are truly hard to come by. They are usually underrated because their work goes unseen and the stats show up in other players. There aren't many Orlando Pace's and Jonathan Ogden's in the league. The reason why I believe that the Reggie Bush/LaDainian Tomlinson comparison isn't fair because LT is a great blocker and a big back while being explosive. He has the rare combination of speed, size, and soft hands. Reggie has 2 out of the 3.
 
College Texan

College Texan

Waterboy
This is my D

-----------------C.C.Brown------------------------M. Huff------------





D-Rob------------------Carpenter--------Wong---------------------Faggins

--------------Peak----Robaire-----Payne-------T.Johnson---Hawk------
 
College Texan

College Texan

Waterboy
If we were in a 4-3 next year this would be my D


-------------Huff--------------------------------C.C.Brown-----





Faggins-----------Carpenter----Wong----Hawk------------------D-Rob---


--------Peak-----Robaire/Payne-----T.Johnson/G.Walker-----Babin---------
 
R

real

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I agree with you tulexan, but i think of a great o-lineman as a luxury, and a a great skill player as a must have...
 
YoungTexanFan

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College Texan said:
This is my D

-----------------C.C.Brown------------------------M. Huff------------





D-Rob------------------Carpenter--------Wong---------------------Faggins

--------------Peak----Robaire-----Payne-------T.Johnson---Hawk------
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how does your offense look? because you just spent yourself two first round picks on hawk and huff. you also have hawk lined up on the line?
 
tulexan

tulexan

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True, but would Shaun Alexander have the same year if he had Victor Riley at LT rather than Walter Jones?
 
YoungTexanFan

YoungTexanFan

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my D:


-------------------------Earl-------------Slay--------------------------------------


-----Daunte---------Babin------Wong-------Greenwood--------P-buch.--------------------

-------------------Peek-----Smith----T. Johnson-----Dumervile-------------------------
 
YoungTexanFan

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i wasnt sure what effect you were trying to get with hawk there. 5-2 works i guess but he is more of a field roamer making plays.

hawk=top 10
huff=top 25
carpenter=top 45

nice dream though...

but you still havent covered and o-line issues.

fagins is our second worst secondary player that sees playing time. colmen is the first. fagins is one of our overall worst players and seems to get beat deep every game.
 
College Texan

College Texan

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I admit to that about Faggins but P-Buch isn't any better.....I only play *** cause he only cost is a 6th and p-Buch cost us alot more and it will just keep me mad everytime I see him on the field. I think we can find a good replacemant for Coleman in FA and if we end up with Huff, either he or C.C. should be given a shot at corner. I don't see huff taken that early, if he does we can maybe still pick up Bing. If we don't get either we can get Slay with our last third.
 
YoungTexanFan

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College Texan said:
If we were in a 4-3 next year this would be my D


-------------Huff--------------------------------C.C.Brown-----





Faggins-----------Carpenter----Wong----Hawk------------------D-Rob---


--------Peak-----Robaire/Payne-----T.Johnson/G.Walker-----Babin---------


and this is the offense you posted:


Gaff--------------------Brick--Pitts--Hodgdon--Gilles/W.Allen/Luitusi--M.Mcniel----------------------------AJ
---------------- Pope ---------------------Brees------------------------------------Armstrong




---------------------------------------------R.Bush
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lets do some math real quickly:
D'brick=top 5
Bush=top 5
Hawk=top 10
Huff=top 25
Pope=top 30
Carpenter=top 45
Mcneil=top 45
Giles=top 45
Allen=third round
Luitusi=5th round

so by my calculations, we need the following for your dream to happen:

5 first round picks overall
2 top five overall picks
1 top ten overall pick
3 second round picks
1 third round pick
1 fifth round pick

:pigfly: :bag: :crazy: :party:

im not allowed more than 4 smileys, but you get my point!
 
TexasJedi

TexasJedi

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College Texan said:
...Max Gilles is a third rounder at best.
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I would love for you to correct, but as far as I've seen he is valued as late 1st round. We'd be lucky to get him in the 2nd round, but I feel a TE that block and catch is an absolute MUST, and another Georgia Dawg, Leonard Pope, may be our best bet if he is still around in the 2nd.
 
Napa Auto Parts

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Houston_Fan4life said:
Houston trade David Carr and 6th round pick to Baltimore for their 2nd round pick........................

1. Vincent Young-QB Texas
2. Johnathan Scott-LT Texas
2. Lenard Pope-TE Georgia ( from Baltimore )
3. Orin Harris-DT Miami ( FL )
3. Sinorice Moss-WR Miami (FL)
4. Will Allen-RT Texas
5. Taitusi Lutui-OG USC
6. Skyler Green-WR LSU ( trade to Baltimore )
7. Kwakou Robinson DT Virginia
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Nice try but honestly but we couldnt find anyone to Unload carr on unless it was for a meaningless 7th round draft pick wich is what his value is right about now.
 
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real

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tulexan said:
True, but would Shaun Alexander have the same year if he had Victor Riley at LT rather than Walter Jones?
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Im not implying that we pick up a Scrub which Victor Riley is, I said someone who is good enough...not Victor Riley..and besides reggie bush is a gamebreaker, and the top lineman in the draft are almost reaches.
 
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real

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thats not a very good drafting strategy because you have to factor in your other six, or more picks...if you have a guy like reggie bush & D'Brick there for the taking, but you have other quality lineman in latter rounds....why pass up a vastly talented running back?
 
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real

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YoungTexanFan said:
NO! NO! NO!

I have a new draft stratagy:

Take the best at what you need the most.
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thats not a very good drafting strategy because you have to factor in your other six, or more picks...if you have a guy like reggie bush & D'Brick there for the taking, but you have other quality lineman in latter rounds....why pass up a vastly talented running back?
 
YoungTexanFan

YoungTexanFan

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xtruroyaltyx said:
thats not a very good drafting strategy because you have to factor in your other six, or more picks...if you have a guy like reggie bush & D'Brick there for the taking, but you have other quality lineman in latter rounds....why pass up a vastly talented running back?
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because he wont be an actual RB in the NFL. He will not preform anywhere close to what he did in college, not saying he wont succede, but not to that extent.

He will also be out of the league a less than 7 years i believe.
 
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