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The Return of Jacoby

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Realizing he was villified in Houston, I was pleasantly surprised by Jacoby and the presence he brings to the Ravens offense- he matches up well with Torrey Smith on the outside and his returns have been a pleasant surprise.

So far he has been a definite positive for the Ravens. I read somewhere he was under so much pressure by Kubiak to perform; Kub;s would berate him daily in practice, etc., but here has thrived in a positive environment.

Your thoughts?
 
million dollar body, ten cent brain. i'm one of jacoby's bigger supporters here, but kubiak stuck with him much longer than he should've. i'm not sure how it turned out that he didnt get enough support or was under too much pressure, because it seemed the opposite. any "berating" jacoby received was for not doing his job, such as showing up on time.

i want to believe jacoby has finally grown up, but i saw the evidence of his impending return to reality with the pose he struck when getting a P.I. call earlier in the year. yall have used him pretty well, and he's made some big plays as he's known for, but he looks exactly the same to me. sloppy routes, weak hands, same demeanor between cocky and clueless, and looking for the home run. as you'll see soon enough, that home run swing will prove costly with his lack of maturity and focus. drops, fumbles, muffs, and unaccountability will prove to remain the constant.
 
Some players do better after they move. It's a fact of life in the NFL. Jacoby was a nightmare for the Texans, but he's doing well for the Ravens. No one should be surprised at that. We all knew he had the talent, he just was only occasionally using it here and more looking like a fool most of the time.
 
He left Houston at basically the same level that he came in. He had his good moments that were surrounded by too many idiotic ones. I'm glad he's gone.
 
Jacoby never got better and never matured. He had talent.

The fans kept waiting for his breakout game. Early on he had a few returns. But he never matured into a good receiver and towards the end started making pretty boneheaded plays - dropping easy catches, fumbles, etc.
 
This is where Ravens fan tells us we don't know as much as we think we know on this topic.

I've seen this all too many times with visiting fans on here.
 
Sometimes a change of scenery is good for some people. Jacoby really ****ed up down here in Houston, maybe Baltimore is better for him.
 
Realizing he was villified in Houston, I was pleasantly surprised by Jacoby and the presence he brings to the Ravens offense- he matches up well with Torrey Smith on the outside and his returns have been a pleasant surprise.

So far he has been a definite positive for the Ravens. I read somewhere he was under so much pressure by Kubiak to perform; Kub;s would berate him daily in practice, etc., but here has thrived in a positive environment.

Your thoughts?

I've always thought with a different head coach, with a different system Jacoby would have a productive NFL career. He's not going to the Hall of fame, He's not going to be an All-pro. But he'll be in the league as long as & as productive as Lance Moore, Jabar Gafney, Eddie Royal, Deone Branch, etc...

After he had his break out year, I'd have moved him to the #2 position, get him on the field more, keep him in a rhythm. He would have been great for Andre & Matt.

& if he could play with a QB who can/will regularly throw the ball ahead of him & let him run under it, he'll be an extremely effective weapon, whether he catches the ball or not, the defense will back up, LBs will have to play deeper, especially if they are responsible for the deep middle, because deep will actually mean deep. Safeties will have to play deeper.

I know he gets a bad rap for running lazy routes. I've never seen that. The dude is fast & can change directions on a dime. He's got small hands, that ain't no lie.

But I think it was wrong for Kubiak to keep him buried at the #3 position behind a guy who couldn't get open & posed no deep threat whatsoever, then ask him to "step up" & be the #1 every now & then, then go back to #3... that's never going to work.
 
Realizing he was villified in Houston, I was pleasantly surprised by Jacoby and the presence he brings to the Ravens offense- he matches up well with Torrey Smith on the outside and his returns have been a pleasant surprise.

So far he has been a definite positive for the Ravens. I read somewhere he was under so much pressure by Kubiak to perform; Kub;s would berate him daily in practice, etc., but here has thrived in a positive environment.

Your thoughts?

He was vilified? Meh... He was glorified first. There was s&*t-ton of hype early on, as he was electric. He certainly has the tools and brought it to the house early in his career as a return man and SOME brilliant catches, but he's WAY too inconsistent. But he gradually lost his support in Houston week by week/month by month as his fun to watch return touchdown celebrations became more overshadowed by his drops, fumbles, muffs, etc... Eventually I think alot of fans tired of the roller-coaster ride that is Jacoby. He certainly wasn't run out of town because he was a great receiver and return man.

All in all, MOST around here are glad to see him gone, and saddened by the last Jacoby appearance in a Texans uniform resulted in:
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So far he has been a definite positive for the Ravens? Good. Come talk to us when it counts. When Jacoby is at that pivotal point in the Raven's season. Good luck. He could prove his past history wrong... But So far his past history stands for it's self.


You read somewhere he was under so much pressure by Kubiak to perform; Kub;s would berate him daily in practice, etc., but here has thrived in a positive environment? Everyone is under pressure to perform.. it's a man's game. As for berating him daily.. don't tell us you read it.. show us what you read. And the last bit about the positive environment... Alllllmost sounds suggestive of our environment being inverse... NOT.

So, in summary, Jacoby is deemed as HUGE reward - HUGE risk. With the highs, you have to accept the lows. Houston, after 5 years, finally decided the risk came with too high a price.
 
i'm a bit surprised at your response fiddler. we were on the same page for a long time regarding jacoby, and i felt the same way as you for as long as possible, but last year with and without andre was my breaking point. even with walter splitting the #1 duties jacoby couldnt rise up to a major target ... the oakland game seared into most minds.

as far as not seeing his lazy routes, you're the only one bud ... they're still bad. it's not as magnified in baltimore's offense which is a bit more open, but his lack of precision was glaringly obvious in our scheme. i called him a "weapon" when defending the re-signing, and still see it that way, but he's simply too unstable and refuses to grow up. he'll have a middling 3rd WR season, possibly better with the ravens leaning on him, but the forecast (and i do wish him the best) looks bleak.
 
He was vilified? Meh... He was glorified first. There was s&*t-ton of hype early on, as he was electric. He certainly has the tools and brought it to the house early in his career as a return man and SOME brilliant catches, but he's WAY too inconsistent. But he gradually lost his support in Houston week by week/month by month as his fun to watch return touchdown celebrations became more overshadowed by his drops, fumbles, muffs, etc... Eventually I think alot of fans tired of the roller-coaster ride that is Jacoby. He certainly wasn't run out of town because he was a great receiver and return man.
Special teams wise, we're still having the same problems. Even fumbles & muffs, after getting rid of our second (our second) return specialist (specialist).... & we still can't block for the guy.

I was watching Green Bay's special teams, every kick-off return that resulted in a touch back, every man ran through the end-zone. Every man. If we kicked the ball off that ended in a touchback, half the team was headed towards the bench once they got to the 20 yard line.

Probably means nothing, right? & How does this relate to Jacoby?
All in all, MOST around here are glad to see him gone, and saddened by the last Jacoby appearance in a Texans uniform resulted in:
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Jacoby definitely deserves most of the blame for that & I think a lot of the blow-back from that was deserved. However, we (the whole team) were doing things & taking chances that game that we just don't do. Tj Yates consistently throwing the ball into coverage for one.

I've got no evidence to back it up, other than I thought that was an uncharacteristic performance from the whole team. The Defensive guys stepped it up big time. That's great, they were challenged & they answered the bell.

To me, it looked like the special teams & the offense was challenged to do the same that resulted in poor decisions. To me, that's knowing your players & knowing how to get 112% from them. We saw one coach who managed it well & two that didn't.

None of that takes responsibility away from the players, I don't think. Jacoby shouldn't try to field a ball on the rebound with a defender in his face. But why in the heck was there a defender in his face?

Last year we were right there with the best return teams, but none of them had to deal with the constant pressure our return man had to face.

To me, it looked like they were told to "make a play" & they tried, just didn't work out the way we wanted. Bad on the player, I'm not saying otherwise, equally bad on the coach for asking inconsistent players to take chances in such an important game.

I still think we could have won that game if we'd have used the "game manager" approach that got us to that game.

So, in summary, Jacoby is deemed as HUGE reward - HUGE risk. With the highs, you have to accept the lows. Houston, after 5 years, finally decided the risk came with too high a price.

I agree with the huge risk/huge rewards statement. As the head coach/offensive coordinator, you're supposed to be able to manage/limit that risk & maximize the rewards. As fans we've been begging for a deep threat opposite Andre to help relieve pressure on Andre. Jacoby had a productive season for a third receiver, followed by another season that would have made him a starter (#2) on just about any other team in the league... he's outperformed the guy in front of him in "reciever stats" but is constantly told that is not good enough??

I know Andre has had great years regardless where/when Jj lined up, but I guarantee you he would have had even better numbers with a burner like Jacoby lining up across from him on a more regular basis. I guarantee you if Jacoby was playing instead of KDub the other night, it would have been a different game all-together :kitten:

Don't get me wrong, I'm not bitter that Jacoby left, I'm happy for him. It's screwed up that he went to the Ravens (who will probably be our biggest rival over the next 10 years) but leaving this team (which I love) is probably more beneficial to Jacoby than us (we don't have the QB or the Coach he needs to succeed. Doesn't make us a bad team, just different, not a good fit.)

Think about that kid that you used to love hanging around with when you were younger. You felt sorry for him, because he's got all the talent in the world, an infectious smile, & wouldn't hurt a fly. He's a good kid, but you know he won't be able to escape his environment. His life is going to be wasted because of his circumstances.

I know we see this scenario play out all the time, with your Andre Johnsons, Jabar Gafneys, Kevin Walters... etc. But to me, Jacoby is different. He didn't go to Miami, or Florida, or Eastern Michagan, or any Div I program. He's a totally different kind of success story that I love & I know about this story because of the Houston Texans, because of Gary Kubiak, so there is no ill will there, only gratitude. I love the Texans more than I love Jacoby Jones, which is why I'm here & not a Baltimore fan.

I'm not related to Jacoby, never had the pleasure of meeting him, but I see kids like Jacoby all the time & I think Jacoby's story is a good story for those kids, an inspiration. In the NFL there's only one champ, but in life there are all kinds of winners. He's not the best receiver in the league, but Jacoby is a winner. Period.
 
I was talking to a co-worker from Baltimore. He knows all about Jacoby, but is happy with him so far. He thinks Jacoby may come in with a chip on his shoulder to this game.

I believe he may be right, but is that fair. The coaches and management gave him too many chances really, so does he have a right to be mad at Houston for cutting him?

If he lights it up Sunday I will be so pissed. I don't wish the guy any ill will, I hope he keeps it together, but he has no right to be pissed at Houston IMO.

I'm still wondering where I can find a clip of Jacoby getting a key to the city in Baltimore for his performance in last years playoff game......
 
Special teams wise, we're still having the same problems. Even fumbles & muffs, after getting rid of our second (our second) return specialist (specialist).... & we still can't block for the guy.

I was watching Green Bay's special teams, every kick-off return that resulted in a touch back, every man ran through the end-zone. Every man. If we kicked the ball off that ended in a touchback, half the team was headed towards the bench once they got to the 20 yard line.

Probably means nothing, right? & How does this relate to Jacoby?

It doesn't. Neither the Texans S/T blocking woes nor Green Bay's running through the endzone on a touch back is irrelevant in terms of Jacoby's tendencies for muffs/fumbles. Certainly the S/T blocking would present MORE opportunities for a return, but at the core of the return, the return man HAS to field the ball or waive it off. I don't care if the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse is thundering down the field unmolested with the intent of BURYING the return man... HIS job is to first and foremost field the ball or waive it off.. period. When a return guy CONSISTENTLY fails that aspect, it's unacceptable.. No MATTER how brilliant a runner they are.

To me, Jacoby's biggest problem was looking up field before looking the ball into his hands. We see it time and again in football. It happens. But with JJ, it happened too often and more importantly, it seems the timing of it was the worst moments. That is likely a result of getting ahead of the play, out of sheer will to do something GREAT! No denying his talent. Look, I'm not suggesting anyone hate or love on Jacoby. With his Jekyl-n-Hyde act, it's very probable that a lot of us did both!

Blame it on Jacoby? Blame it on poor blocking? Blame it on poor coaching? Blame it on what ever you want... He still has to catch the ball, or he's not doing his job.

Bottom line is, the biggest reason he was given his walking papers was his inability to field the ball consistently. Take that away and he's AMAZING.

On a side... in respect to your reference to (our second) return specialist... I feel Trindon was let go for different reasons all together. Fortunately for him, he wasn't hated on like Jacoby was. But ironically, I'm guessing Kubiak & Smith felt vindicated by their decision to release him when they watched the Monday Night Game in San Diego.:kitten:
 
It doesn't. Neither the Texans S/T blocking woes nor Green Bay's running through the endzone on a touch back is irrelevant in terms of Jacoby's tendencies for muffs/fumbles. Certainly the S/T blocking would present MORE opportunities for a return, but at the core of the return, the return man HAS to field the ball or waive it off. I don't care if the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse is thundering down the field unmolested with the intent of BURYING the return man... HIS job is to first and foremost field the ball or waive it off.. period. When a return guy CONSISTENTLY fails that aspect, it's unacceptable.. No MATTER how brilliant a runner they are.

To me, Jacoby's biggest problem was looking up field before looking the ball into his hands.

I agree 100% again, I'm not taking any fault away from Jacoby. I am saying we've had two "specialist" with the same issue. There is a reason for that. Doesn't excuse the player, his responsibilities are cut & dry. I'm only saying we didn't help him any. Gave him multiple chances to succeed... yeah. Put him in a position to succeed, from a return-man's perspective, no. It's like putting a QB behind an offensive line that has repeatedly underperformed in protection responsibilities.

This is the last word I'm going to say on Jacoby Jones. I'll look forward to his success in the NFL, like I said he's a good story for many, many kids. I won't root for him. Not against Houston. I'm not going to root for him as a Raven, I don't roll like that.

But Jacoby & his success, Leach's success, Pollard's success show that we have issues on this team. Some have been fixed.... Wade. Some have not.
 
For a long time, Texans fans have been craving for a young, talented receiver to take over the #2 role, and also be the heir apparent to Andre Johnson as the go-to guy. In Jacoby's rookie season, especially the pre-season, he really took us all by surprise, and we felt we got the steal of the draft. Texans fans thought we finally found that guy. Just about everyone had high expectations for this guy.

These high expectations, I think, is the main reason why so many were happy to see him gone. He did get many chances to prove he could be a starter on this team, but like what others have said, he didn't step up. He has the size, athleticism, and speed to be a starter in this league, but he has three big weaknesses IMO.

1) He either has weak, or small, hands. He doesn't like catching balls with just his hands. And when he does, he doesn't seem to secure it very fast. He doesn't appear to have that ability to snatch balls in the air. He lets too many balls come to his chest, or he tries to cradle it, this is what leads to alot of frustrating drops.
2) He shies away from contact. Don't expect any big catches out of him in the middle of the field. If he feels he's about to get popped, he'll brace himself before securing the ball or even not make an attempt at the catch.
3) His route running is only mediocre. I think this is why he failed when he would step in for AJ. He can't get open on his own, he relies on others to draw the coverage attention.

As a returner, I thought he was good. He tend to look for the home run too much, and just didn't take what was there alot. This led to alot of running sideways & backwards that frustrated fans. In the past two seasons, though, he did fix his turnover problems. (of course, he had one big turnover in the playoffs)

In my opinion, he was a good returner and 3rd receiver... that's it! He had value on this team. It's evident now, as production from our returners and 3rd receiver have dropped. Since Ravens fans got him for cheap in FA, they really don't have much expectations out of him, so that's why they're pretty happy with him.

I, for one, hope Jacoby succeeds in Baltimore. I like to see all former Texans succeed. Of course, I want them to have their worst game of their careers against Houston though.
 
I agree 100% again, I'm not taking any fault away from Jacoby. I am saying we've had two "specialist" with the same issue. There is a reason for that. Doesn't excuse the player, his responsibilities are cut & dry. I'm only saying we didn't help him any. Gave him multiple chances to succeed... yeah. Put him in a position to succeed, from a return-man's perspective, no. It's like putting a QB behind an offensive line that has repeatedly underperformed in protection responsibilities.

This is the last word I'm going to say on Jacoby Jones. I'll look forward to his success in the NFL, like I said he's a good story for many, many kids. I won't root for him. Not against Houston. I'm not going to root for him as a Raven, I don't roll like that.

But Jacoby & his success, Leach's success, Pollard's success show that we have issues on this team. Some have been fixed.... Wade. Some have not.

To be clear... I am a fan of the kid, in the same way I rooted for Rocky Balboa... Like you stated, a small time kid from Lane College(where you say) comes to the NFL unpolished and makes a splash. I was merely dragging him through the mud to speak to/defend the notion given by the OP, that JJ was vilified, which can't be denied, but can certainly be justified.

If he can turn it around in Baltimore, awesome. If for the reasons you suggest, even better for him.. woe is we. So far, it seems he's turning out to be what Raven Fans/Jacoby Fans wished for. Buyer beware.
 
My criticism of Jacoby stemmed from not being very good at catching the ball and badly badly timed turnovers. You guys may have a good year out of him this year, but if he doesn't continue to work ball security he's going to erase all those kudos in a real hurry.

As far as receiver he was okay, but he never elevated himself above Kevin Walter in my eyes. While he had much better physical traits to be a WR, he just really didn't get much separation, and he was pretty inconsistent in terms of catching the ball. If he's cleaned all that up then maybe you got yourselves a gem, but while in Houston I believe (With no real proof to back this up other than on-field performance) that he just didn't put as much work into becoming a better WR as he probably should've. Maybe with a coaching change and a wake-up call he re-invented himself but give him a whole year and then evaluate his performance to get a better idea of what Jacoby Jones is as a player.
 
Jacoby is just a guy. I think dream_team really nailed it. It's not like he's lighting it up in Baltimore. He's averaging 30 yards a game just like he did here.
 
This is Jacoby's first year with Ravens. I am sure the Ravens and their fans will find out soon or later why we let him go.

I hope, the Ravens will find out why against Texans!!! :evil:

Go Texans!!!
 
Here's an extensive piece that came out in the Baltimore Sun today re. Jacoby. Includes comments by Kubs:

A JOYFUL JACOBY JONES READY TO FACE HIS FORMER TEAM

I neither wish him ill-will nor success. I'm pretty apathetic about the guy. (Although my policy this week is for him to suck and cough up a ball or two...just being a Texans fan, of course).

However, this little nugget really framed Jacoby Jones for me:

“I’m closer to a “Dancing with the Stars,’ player,” he said to a reporter, who then asked him if he had another dance lined up. Jones replied, “I said I was going to be humble and not dance, but I think I have something in my sock. I’ve got something. I’m going to pull something out.”

Keep dancing in front the mirror. You go, boy. :dance:
 
He's neither the first or the last ex-Texan to move and do well for someone else. It's just life in the NFL. Can you imagine how the 49er fans felt when Montana was playing for the Chiefs?
 
I don't care how well he plays somewhere else. As long as it is somewhere else.

He gives you promise and potential with an equal part of suck. He was given 6 years of patience here to figure things out and never really did.

Meh, he is who is..... The guy who is pretty good, right up until he sucks.
 
He was vilified? Meh... He was glorified first. There was s&*t-ton of hype early on, as he was electric. He certainly has the tools and brought it to the house early in his career as a return man and SOME brilliant catches, but he's WAY too inconsistent. But he gradually lost his support in Houston week by week/month by month as his fun to watch return touchdown celebrations became more overshadowed by his drops, fumbles, muffs, etc... Eventually I think alot of fans tired of the roller-coaster ride that is Jacoby. He certainly wasn't run out of town because he was a great receiver and return man.

All in all, MOST around here are glad to see him gone, and saddened by the last Jacoby appearance in a Texans uniform resulted in:
jacoby.gif


So far he has been a definite positive for the Ravens? Good. Come talk to us when it counts. When Jacoby is at that pivotal point in the Raven's season. Good luck. He could prove his past history wrong... But So far his past history stands for it's self.


You read somewhere he was under so much pressure by Kubiak to perform; Kub;s would berate him daily in practice, etc., but here has thrived in a positive environment? Everyone is under pressure to perform.. it's a man's game. As for berating him daily.. don't tell us you read it.. show us what you read. And the last bit about the positive environment... Alllllmost sounds suggestive of our environment being inverse... NOT.

So, in summary, Jacoby is deemed as HUGE reward - HUGE risk. With the highs, you have to accept the lows. Houston, after 5 years, finally decided the risk came with too high a price.

I'm still looking for the article- mayb I heard it on the radio, not sure.

Anyway, the guy has been pretty good for us here, I knew about the drops, et al- I started a thread on on here on him when we signed him- it was about the same. His 108 yd td return was a beauty nd some of the catches he has made have been pretty nice.
 
Realizing he was villified in Houston, I was pleasantly surprised by Jacoby and the presence he brings to the Ravens offense- he matches up well with Torrey Smith on the outside and his returns have been a pleasant surprise.

So far he has been a definite positive for the Ravens. I read somewhere he was under so much pressure by Kubiak to perform; Kub;s would berate him daily in practice, etc., but here has thrived in a positive environment.

Your thoughts?

Jacoby came into the league needing to mature like a lot of players, and most of us liked him as a person, and are glad to see him finding some success in the league.

I enjoyed watching him catch a couple of balls and get that big return last week.
 
Here's an extensive piece that came out in the Baltimore Sun today re. Jacoby. Includes comments by Kubs:

A JOYFUL JACOBY JONES READY TO FACE HIS FORMER TEAM
In Houston, he tantalized fans with those big plays, drawing comparisons to Andre Johnson. But he frustrated them with drops, uneven play and those costly miscues in the playoffs, which is why they may greet him with boos Sunday afternoon at Reliant Stadium.

“I don’t even care,” Jones said. “I am [a part of] Ravens Nation. They love me and I love them. That’s all that matters right now.”

It's a shame when 28 year old Jacoby Jones is the bigger man.
 
Jacoby is just a guy. I think dream_team really nailed it. It's not like he's lighting it up in Baltimore. He's averaging 30 yards a game just like he did here.

I haven't looked at his stats but to me he just looks more comfortable there. Like someone mentioned in another thread, he's only running a go route, flag or post. All vertical, just haul ass. Not quite Kube's requirement of performing the entire route tree.
 
I haven't looked at his stats but to me he just looks more comfortable there. Like someone mentioned in another thread, he's only running a go route, flag or post. All vertical, just haul ass. Not quite Kube's requirement of performing the entire route tree.

Keep in mind, he looked a lot better here when Schaub was on the field. But our last 8 games of Jacoby were awful. 10 catches in 8 games. That's a lasting impression. Not to mention the fumbles.
 
I'm still looking for the article- mayb I heard it on the radio, not sure.

Anyway, the guy has been pretty good for us here, I knew about the drops, et al- I started a thread on on here on him when we signed him- it was about the same. His 108 yd td return was a beauty nd some of the catches he has made have been pretty nice.

Ugh, I hate it for ya, I really do, but he'll get your hopes up oh so high, and then kick a leg out of that high chair the second he does. Jacoby relies on the PI as well, he will go down in history as a very average receiver with above average skills. It's those BK hands!
 
I'm still looking for the article- mayb I heard it on the radio, not sure.

You'll be looking for that article forever because it doesn't exist.

I am sure Gary Kubiak has chewed his ass, just like he has chewed anyone's ass for having bad hands and failing to improve them.

He was hard on Trindon Holliday, too, and all that happened was Trindon ended up being a bumbling returner who was cut and then signed by Denver and then muffed a punt with the Broncos and lost it to the other team.

You cannot act like the coach was the problem.

Just wait and see. We kept the guy for 5 years, you think we'd just turn loose of him for no good reason??? Just like with David Carr, too. He's not starting in the NFL is he? Nope, and for a reason.

Case closed. Next topic?
 
You cannot act like the coach was the problem.

This was the only problem I had with his post. Sure, tell us about how he's doing well in a low pressure situation, and how he's looked decent with a change of scenery. But, don't act like it was coaching that held him back.
 
This was the only problem I had with his post. Sure, tell us about how he's doing well in a low pressure situation, and how he's looked decent with a change of scenery. But, don't act like it was coaching that held him back.

Yep.

I guess John Fox over there in Denver is a hard ass, too, since Holliday promptly coughed the ball up in his first gig with the Broncos.

I like visiting fans, but when they try and tell us our business and they're nowhere near being accurate...it's sort of irritating. I wouldn't dream of going to a visiting board and try to tell them why or how they are not doing well or make commentary on former players of theirs, etc. It's hilarious.
 
Kubiak did nothing but facilitate situations that were perfect for Jones to succeed here. He gave Jacoby more than his fair share of chances, but dude could not consistently produce.

A change of scenery does some players good, but it's in the player's head and not on the shoulders of a coaching staff in most cases. Kubiak would have loved to have a successful Jacoby Jones on his roster, but his monumental mistakes were too much for even a patient coach like Kubiak to endure for five seasons.
 
I like visiting fans, but when they try and tell us our business and they're nowhere near being accurate...it's sort of irritating. I wouldn't dream of going to a visiting board and try to tell them why or how they are not doing well or make commentary on former players of theirs, etc. It's hilarious.

You act like I said "Jacoby's failures in Houston were all Kubiak and the teams fault; he's been golden here so you guys suck"

I wrote nothing of the sort- I wrote "I read" then I wrote "I heard" because I couldn't remember where but someone (a national writer) had said/wrote that Jones was ridden hard by Kub- then I wrote "Your thoughts?" as in asking for feedback as to what really happened.

Nowhere did I try to "tell you your business" nor did I try to tell you " why or how they are not doing well or make commentary on former players of theirs, etc.".

I asked a question.
 
You'll be looking for that article forever because it doesn't exist.

I am sure Gary Kubiak has chewed his ass, just like he has chewed anyone's ass for having bad hands and failing to improve them.

He was hard on Trindon Holliday, too, and all that happened was Trindon ended up being a bumbling returner who was cut and then signed by Denver and then muffed a punt with the Broncos and lost it to the other team.

You cannot act like the coach was the problem.

Just wait and see. We kept the guy for 5 years, you think we'd just turn loose of him for no good reason??? Just like with David Carr, too. He's not starting in the NFL is he? Nope, and for a reason.

Case closed. Next topic?
I didn't say the coach was the problem. Re-read what I wrote.

I'm sure your dismissive tone makes you feel better about yourself too.
 
The change of scenery to the Ravens could end up being a great thing for Jacoby's mindset.

If he's truly a changed player, then this weekend could prove to be dangerous for the Texans. A motivated player trying to prove his worth to his former team can be a dangerous player. The Texans would be wise to keep that in mind.

If he's the same old Jacoby Jones that Houston fans have come to love/hate, then this game could end up well for the Texans as he presses too hard to show us up. In that sort of pressurized situation, the old Jacoby would be sure to make some mistakes that benefits the opposition. For the sake of the Texans, I'm hoping hes' the same old Jacoby Jones. ;)
 
With how badly our STs have been playing I'm pretty certain Jones is going to do alright returning punts.
 
So, guess who PFF has graded as the 22nd (out of 108) best WR in the league going into this weekend ..... ?

[IMGwidthsize=40]http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8yykrMiKB1r3tqll.jpg[/IMG]

... 6 spots ahead of Andre.
 
I didn't say the coach was the problem. Re-read what I wrote.

I'm sure your dismissive tone makes you feel better about yourself too.

Whatever. You said what I said you said.

Keep spinning though. There never was an article, and whatever you heard on a radio was pure speculation or gossip. Save that stuff and just talk real talk, please.
 
So, guess who PFF has graded as the 22nd (out of 108) best WR in the league going into this weekend ..... ?

[IMGwidthsize=40]http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8yykrMiKB1r3tqll.jpg[/IMG]

... 6 spots ahead of Andre.

Jacoby has had a good year so far. No one will sit here and argue that at all. If it has truly clicked with him then there's no reason why he can't continue to play well. But we all know that this could turn into fools good and he'll pop up as a turd once again when this chips are all out on the table.

Andre on the other hand is capable of playing much better and I'm sure he'd even admit that. I'd love to see those grades at the end of the year.
 
Jacoby has had a good year so far. No one will sit here and argue that at all. If it has truly clicked with him then there's no reason why he can't continue to play well. But we all know that this could turn into fools good and he'll pop up as a turd once again when this chips are all out on the table.

Andre on the other hand is capable of playing much better and I'm sure he'd even admit that. I'd love to see those grades at the end of the year.

That is true; it is also true that every now and again a change in scenery makes for a long-lasting difference. Maybe the Ravens coaches have bee able to get him to stop focusing on his past failures and to start concentrating on what got him into the NFL in the first place. Hard to say. And maybe at some point Jacoby will lay a big turd on the turf. But right now, he's paying huge dividends.
 
That is true; it is also true that every now and again a change in scenery makes for a long-lasting difference. Maybe the Ravens coaches have bee able to get him to stop focusing on his past failures and to start concentrating on what got him into the NFL in the first place. Hard to say. And maybe at some point Jacoby will lay a big turd on the turf. But right now, he's paying huge dividends.

I just said that it is possible that it has clicked and if so there's no reason he can't continue to play well so not sure what you're trying to make a point against.

We've just seen this same movie over and over here in Houston so it would surprise absolutely no one if he finds ways to lose games for the Ravens at some point this year. I'm not saying it's gonna happen, but I won't be falling out of my seat shocked if it does. Jacoby doesn't have my respect as a player because he was a knucklehead who cheated himself and the team by failing to commit 100 percent to the game. As opposed to Leach and Pollard I hope Jacoby falls flat on his face in Baltimore.
 
Whatever. You said what I said you said.

Keep spinning though. There never was an article, and whatever you heard on a radio was pure speculation or gossip. Save that stuff and just talk real talk, please.

Whatever? Weak response...unless your 14.

What I said was I had read, then I said maybe I heard it- t point was I was asking for input into that thought process that the idea was Jacoby was put under pressure by Kubiak and I asked for peoples thoughts- that is all. No one else had a problem with the question and the thought process- only you.

But you can stay the Internet tough guy.
 
Jacoby has had a good year so far. No one will sit here and argue that at all. If it has truly clicked with him then there's no reason why he can't continue to play well. But we all know that this could turn into fools good and he'll pop up as a turd once again when this chips are all out on the table.

I'll argue it. He's been Ok. He hasn't been good.

He's 99th in receiving yards. 140th in receptions.

On the plus side he's 37th in yards per catch.

You can't be 'good' with only 2 catches a game.
 
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