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Our passing game really concerns me, AJ was invisible and Cromartie is not that good. Martin has not shown up, thank god we had foster tonight. I hope jean comes back for the GB game, besides AJ (sometimes) the only other guy i feel confident in, in his limited time is Jean.

Maybe it was just a sloppy game, we did get the win but i'm not left feeling very confident after this game.

On the bright side we are 5-0
 
EllisUnit said:
Our passing game really concerns me, AJ was invisible and Cromartie is not that good. Martin has not shown up, thank god we had foster tonight. I hope jean comes back for the GB game, besides AJ (sometimes) the only other guy i feel confident in, in his limited time is Jean.

Maybe it was just a sloppy game, we did get the win but i'm not left feeling very confident after this game.

On the bright side we are 5-0
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I was surprised by the Jets secondary without Revis. They played a heck of a game. Schaub played with a clean pocket most of the time but just couldn't find an open receiver. I am concerned with our young guys, Posey and Martin, they need to separate themselves.
 
EllisUnit said:
Our passing game really concerns me, AJ was invisible and Cromartie is not that good. Martin has not shown up, thank god we had foster tonight. I hope jean comes back for the GB game, besides AJ (sometimes) the only other guy i feel confident in, in his limited time is Jean.

Maybe it was just a sloppy game, we did get the win but i'm not left feeling very confident after this game.

On the bright side we are 5-0
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Their secondary even without Revis is not a bad unit. Cromartie will give up a big play occasionally but he's a tough corner to line up against on every down.

Just a typical, ugly win if you ask me. Par for the course.
 
EllisUnit said:
Our passing game really concerns me, AJ was invisible and Cromartie is not that good. Martin has not shown up, thank god we had foster tonight. I hope jean comes back for the GB game, besides AJ (sometimes) the only other guy i feel confident in, in his limited time is Jean.

Maybe it was just a sloppy game, we did get the win but i'm not left feeling very confident after this game.

On the bright side we are 5-0
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KW was getting it done and so was OD. We have seen games like this is the past, but what is concerning me is that AJ and Schaub are on total different pages.
 
Cromartie is actually really good when his mind is on it. Unfortunately, that's usually not the case. But with the entire football world watching the Jets to see how they would respond after the beating they received last week, Cromartie came to play tonight.

But in regards to our aerial attack, there's good and bad news. There were a couple throws Schaub missed or shouldn't have made that would have extended drives. But we do also need to start looking for a proper heir to Andre. He's definitely not the same. And we can't bet the house on Jean becoming that player, definitely a must in next year's draft.
 
I mean i cant believe the big drop off in production from AJ, think back to 2010 when he had the ankle injury until now. He was still a dominant game changing WR, now it seems he can never get open. Maybe his skills have diminished this much from last years groin injuries ??? Either way it makes me sad to see this older less dominant version of AJ
 
AJ dropped a couple, and had a lot thrown away over his head. No big deal, we didn't need him this week because they were playing zone against our passes mostly. Foster got a ton of yards on the ground thanks to the extra attention against the pass. It all evens out if you have a balanced attack. AJ will get 10k yards against the Packers poor passing defense on Sunday night on national TV! :D
 
I think this just proved the whole case about "Desperate teams" and even Gruden who knows more football than all of us said right before the game that he always hated playing a team that was embarrassed the week before.

Add up that the Jets were at home and it was a primetime game and that usually spells out upset.
 
My concern is Jonathan Joseph. He absolutely SUCKED tonight. I didn't think he played well in the last game either.
 
EllisUnit said:
Our passing game really concerns me, AJ was invisible and Cromartie is not that good. Martin has not shown up, thank god we had foster tonight. I hope jean comes back for the GB game, besides AJ (sometimes) the only other guy i feel confident in, in his limited time is Jean.

Maybe it was just a sloppy game, we did get the win but i'm not left feeling very confident after this game.

On the bright side we are 5-0
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Outside of the game vs. PIT, the Jets have been rather solid vs. the pass. I wouldn't get too worried. They can blanket the best of 'em. All that was open tonight was TE stuff.
 
My only real concern right now has been the same one I have had for a few years. That's Kubiak. I don't want to say too much since we are 5-0 but again my doubts resurfaced tonight with those conservative calls at the end. I just don't like the playing not to lose play calls.

I am convinced that Wade is the one that has changed the culture of this team.

Anyway, that's all I am going to say right now.

Hopefully the guy proves me wrong and takes this team all the way to the finish line.
 
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Hookem Horns said:
My only real concern right now has been the same one I have had for a few years. That's Kubiak. I don't want to say too much since we are 5-0 but again my doubts resurfaced tonight with those conservative calls at the end. I just don't like the playing not to lose play calls.

I am convinced that Wade is the one that has changed the culture of this team.

Anyway, that's all I am going to say.
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Totally agreed.
 
EllisUnit said:
I mean i cant believe the big drop off in production from AJ, think back to 2010 when he had the ankle injury until now. He was still a dominant game changing WR, now it seems he can never get open. Maybe his skills have diminished this much from last years groin injuries ??? Either way it makes me sad to see this older less dominant version of AJ
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It's pretty much a given that AJ isn't what he used to be. But it would be unrealistic, considering what all has happened to him injury-wise, to expect any different.
 
Why does Kubiak, seemingly, run the ball after every incomplete first down pass? Drives me crazy. 2nd tight game where we can't run out the clock with the ball in our hands.

We're hurting - injuries are piling up on us so I count that into our poorer play.

Win is a win tho,
 
Hookem Horns said:
My only real concern right now has been the same one I have had for a few years. That's Kubiak. I don't want to say too much since we are 5-0 but again my doubts resurfaced tonight with those conservative calls at the end. I just don't like the playing not to lose play calls.

I am convinced that Wade is the one that has changed the culture of this team.

Anyway, that's all I am going to say right now.

Hopefully the guy proves me wrong and takes this team all the way to the finish line.
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kubiak aint **** without wade phillips
 
Rudyball said:
Why does Kubiak, seemingly, run the ball after every incomplete first down pass? Drives me crazy. 2nd tight game where we can't run out the clock with the ball in our hands.

We're hurting - injuries are piling up on us so I count that into our poorer play.

Win is a win tho,
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Kubiak's creative playcalling goes completely out the window once the fourth quarter starts and our team has the lead.

Difference is now though that our defense can shutdown teams when needed.
 
We don't have WRs who can beat good corners. Most of the time, we get them open through our play designs. The Texan offense is about as well-structured as any in football. For the most part, those designs mask our limitations at WR. But if we get into a must-pass situation (where our play-action becomes irrelevant), I'm worried that we'll be exposed.

The biggest ongoing shortcoming of the Smithiak regime is the failure to develop any WRs outside of AJ and Walter. No other WR in the past seven years has come remotely closing to "getting it" in our system. It appears that age is catching up to AJ and Walter is who he is. We need our next generation to step up.
 
We are 5-0. Getting the Jets at home after they got shillacked, well.. You see what we got and Im not surprised. I had a feeling it would be a battle.

The only thing I really got from this game is Cushings injury. ****.
 
Marcus said:
My concern is Jonathan Joseph. He absolutely SUCKED tonight. I didn't think he played well in the last game either.
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Not just this game, but here lately KJax looks like the best DB we got. People can hate all they want too, but put the KJax hatorade down for a minute and you will see I'm right. Dude has great coverage, in the right places now. I'm impressed with him big time.
 
Perki-Perk said:
Not just this game, but here lately KJax looks like the best DB we got. People can hate all they want too, but put the KJax hatorade down for a minute and you will see I'm right. Dude has great coverage, in the right places now. I'm impressed with him big time.
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Patience is a virtue. Just because a player struggles in his first year or two does not make him a bust for all time. See also: Brown, Duane
 
Hooston Texan said:
We don't have WRs who can beat good corners. Most of the time, we get them open through our play designs. The Texan offense is about as well-structured as any in football. For the most part, those designs mask our limitations at WR. But if we get into a must-pass situation (where our play-action becomes irrelevant), I'm worried that we'll be exposed.

The biggest ongoing shortcoming of the Smithiak regime is the failure to develop any WRs outside of AJ and Walter. No other WR in the past seven years has come remotely closing to "getting it" in our system. It appears that age is catching up to AJ and Walter is who he is. We need our next generation to step up.
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Very true Hooston. I know we have someone who can vreate some seperation. they need to step up before the playoffs.
 
Hooston Texan said:
Patience is a virtue. Just because a player struggles in his first year or two does not make him a bust for all time. See also: Brown, Duane
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I know that, I've been a huge KJax advocate. Just ask SteelblueTexan. We've had some words over his KJ hating, but we've come to terms since. I'm crow trapping right now, and he will be feasting by seasons end!
 
EllisUnit said:
Our passing game really concerns me, AJ was invisible and Cromartie is not that good. Martin has not shown up, thank god we had foster tonight. I hope jean comes back for the GB game, besides AJ (sometimes) the only other guy i feel confident in, in his limited time is Jean.

Maybe it was just a sloppy game, we did get the win but i'm not left feeling very confident after this game.

On the bright side we are 5-0
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KW showed up tonight ... as did Casey & OD along with Foster ....

This offense is designed to take what the defense gives and not make mistakes. Two turnovers in 5 games ... all W's where different parts of the offense have beaten opposing defenses resulting in 5 W's.


You might stop one part but you arent going to stop all of AJ , Foster , OD , Casey and Walter.

The only way to shut down this offense is to make it beat itself with turnovers .... and Schaub isnt very turnover prone , he'll throw a ball away before allowing the defense to force a critical error.He's really an extension of Kubiak on the field in that aspect.

Only three teams have a better +/- in the turnover department than the Texans (NE , Chi and Atlanta). Of those four teams , all are atop (or tied) for their respective divisions.
 
all ur points are good points but im not going to worry intill we lose our first game if we ever do lose Knocks on wood


but our ILB core scares me right now i hopeee cushing is ok
 
The bye week can't get here fast enough. Dre and Joseph do not look healthy. Tate and Jean out. Let's hope we can hold up until week 8.
 
Hookem Horns said:
My only real concern right now has been the same one I have had for a few years. That's Kubiak. I don't want to say too much since we are 5-0 but again my doubts resurfaced tonight with those conservative calls at the end. I just don't like the playing not to lose play calls.

I am convinced that Wade is the one that has changed the culture of this team.

Anyway, that's all I am going to say right now.

Hopefully the guy proves me wrong and takes this team all the way to the finish line.
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msr.
 
Hookem Horns said:
My only real concern right now has been the same one I have had for a few years. That's Kubiak. I don't want to say too much since we are 5-0 but again my doubts resurfaced tonight with those conservative calls at the end. I just don't like the playing not to lose play calls.

I am convinced that Wade is the one that has changed the culture of this team.

Anyway, that's all I am going to say right now.

Hopefully the guy proves me wrong and takes this team all the way to the finish line.
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I'm curious about your take on the last series of runs for no gain, -1, and -4. I know Kubiak takes a lot of crap for going conservative, but I thought the last drive was what needed to happen. You come out slinging it, maybe you get the first down and end the game in victory formation...maybe you throw an INT or leave the clock at 1:30 or more. Or, you trust your top 5 defense with less than 20 seconds to hold. Personally, I'm good with that last drive.
 
buddyboy said:
I'm curious about your take on the last series of runs for no gain, -1, and -4. I know Kubiak takes a lot of crap for going conservative, but I thought the last drive was what needed to happen. You come out slinging it, maybe you get the first down and end the game in victory formation...maybe you throw an INT or leave the clock at 1:30 or more. Or, you trust your top 5 defense with less than 20 seconds to hold. Personally, I'm good with that last drive.
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I agree with this. MSR

I don't understand how he could done anything different either. I don't understand how protecting the ball can be construed as "playing conservative" or "playing not to lose". Did you want him to throw it up, and risk an interception in their own territory, or what?
 
Hookem Horns said:
My only real concern right now has been the same one I have had for a few years. That's Kubiak. I don't want to say too much since we are 5-0 but again my doubts resurfaced tonight with those conservative calls at the end. I just don't like the playing not to lose play calls.

I am convinced that Wade is the one that has changed the culture of this team.

Anyway, that's all I am going to say right now.

Hopefully the guy proves me wrong and takes this team all the way to the finish line.
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I'm not sold on Kubiak either, but I've been happier about the last two games than I've been all year. We're playing football & we're playing good football. I don't think that was conservative play-calling, I saw "smart" QB...... I didn't like that draw play on 3rd & forever, but.. I'm more concerned that Foster didn't get more than that little gain when they should have been expecting a 10+ yard pass.

I liked the screens, I liked going to the left often on running plays, would have liked to have gone right on at least one of the 3rd & 1s. I liked taking the shots downfield when present. I would have liked to have seen the endzone fade to Andre at least a couple of times, but overall, I'm more optimistic about this team than when the season started.

I also liked the reverse. & moving Casey everywhere.

I like Wade. But this team without Kubiak is the Miami Dolphins or the Jacksonville Jaguars.
 
buddyboy said:
I'm curious about your take on the last series of runs for no gain, -1, and -4. I know Kubiak takes a lot of crap for going conservative, but I thought the last drive was what needed to happen. You come out slinging it, maybe you get the first down and end the game in victory formation...maybe you throw an INT or leave the clock at 1:30 or more. Or, you trust your top 5 defense with less than 20 seconds to hold. Personally, I'm good with that last drive.
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I fail to understand how anyone can bash Kubiak for being too conservative on the last two possessions. We have the best running back in the NFL behind Matt Schaub, we're playing on the road with a lead, and some people expect to throw the ball instead? Huh? And risk a clock-stopping incompletion?

The Jets offense had done basically nothing against the Texans all night long. The only reason they were in the game at the end was because of Joe McKnight's kickoff return. Run the ball, run the clock, and show the Rex Ryan Jets what game-winning defense looks like.

I love it. The Texans don't need to get gimmicky or overly ballsy on offense to win games. This game was one we'd lose in the past, one of those all-too-familiar time of possession dominations that ended in a moral victory only. Except we won this time. This was a character-building win on the road on MNF against a desperate team.
 
Hookem Horns said:
My only real concern right now has been the same one I have had for a few years. That's Kubiak. I don't want to say too much since we are 5-0 but again my doubts resurfaced tonight with those conservative calls at the end. I just don't like the playing not to lose play calls.

I am convinced that Wade is the one that has changed the culture of this team.

Anyway, that's all I am going to say right now.

Hopefully the guy proves me wrong and takes this team all the way to the finish line.
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Hervoyel said:
msr.
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I got him for you, Herv. 320 points worth of rep, btw. All of it well-earned.

Kubiak is the lazy teenage son who does juuuust enough to get by, then wants somebody to bail him out when his ass is in a sling.

Wade's defense has basically allowed Kubiak's offense to have as many freaking do-overs as they want, and it's getting old. This offense is roughly 4 or 5 years ahead of the defense in terms of Kubiak having built the offense every year and giving it more and more detail as those years rolled by...meanwhile, Wade Phillips comes into the organization and in two years has the defense basically handing the game to our offense over and over.

I know some people are HUGE Kubiak fans here, whether it's the A&M thing or his haircut or whatever...but honestly I'm just seething at some of the bull**** play calling whenever we start within our own 10 yard line. And it doesn't matter what quarter it's in, if we get the ball within the 10, we're screwed. Period. There'll be three straight WTF? plays and a punt, and the opposing team's offense scores a damn TD off it. ****, might as well just go four downs and try to get out of that hole--After all, they other team is going to get the ball in good field position anyways!

And to add to this the fact that Marciano and Kubiak have Trindon Holliday continually putting us within our own 10? It's insanity. Pure insanity.
 
When was the last time you watched our defense in the past two years, and you had some sort of disgusted reaction to what you saw our defense doing on the field...the positioning, the formations, the actual play call, etc?

Now ask yourself this: How many times have you watched the offense and wondered "Huh? Seriously? LOL. Ummm, okie dokie. Well, we need another stop by our defense here. Come on guys, get us the ball back!"

Exactly.

This offense should have so completely dismantled the Jets last night, it could have replicated the opening possession over and over...but of course, no that can't happen. But hey, that defense (even without Cushing and a gimpy JJo hobbling around out there) held the Jets to 10.

Kubiak and Marciano's crew allowed an easy 7 via Jacoby Amobi Holliday.
 
We went for close to 400 yards and scored 23 points and this is the things we are worried about....
Had Schaub not short-armed the ball to Graham, we would have scored even more most likely. We had to settle for a couple of field goals that could have been td's.

Just not able to muster up any concern over the offense.
 
GP said:
I got him for you, Herv. 320 points worth of rep, btw. All of it well-earned.

Kubiak is the lazy teenage son who does juuuust enough to get by, then wants somebody to bail him out when his ass is in a sling.

Wade's defense has basically allowed Kubiak's offense to have as many freaking do-overs as they want, and it's getting old. This offense is roughly 4 or 5 years ahead of the defense in terms of Kubiak having built the offense every year and giving it more and more detail as those years rolled by...meanwhile, Wade Phillips comes into the organization and in two years has the defense basically handing the game to our offense over and over.

I know some people are HUGE Kubiak fans here, whether it's the A&M thing or his haircut or whatever...but honestly I'm just seething at some of the bull**** play calling whenever we start within our own 10 yard line. And it doesn't matter what quarter it's in, if we get the ball within the 10, we're screwed. Period. There'll be three straight WTF? plays and a punt, and the opposing team's offense scores a damn TD off it. ****, might as well just go four downs and try to get out of that hole--After all, they other team is going to get the ball in good field position anyways!

And to add to this the fact that Marciano and Kubiak have Trindon Holliday continually putting us within our own 10? It's insanity. Pure insanity.
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Right, because that 85 yard drive to start the game and that 70 yard drive that started on their own 6 and ate over 7 minutes off the clock is dumbass Kubiak with his BS play calling.

When you do have a defense like the Texans do, you can afford to not be as risky on offense sometimes and play for field position. They panic and try to push things, a ball gets tipped and picked, then you're pissed he tried to force his way out of there. Even on 3rd and long when they run draws, they'd rather try and change field position, trusting the D, instead of trying to force something where a mistake could be very costly. Dude just can't win with some of y'all, but that's ok as long as they keep winning games.
 
GP said:
When was the last time you watched our defense in the past two years, and you had some sort of disgusted reaction to what you saw our defense doing on the field...the positioning, the formations, the actual play call, etc?

Now ask yourself this: How many times have you watched the offense and wondered "Huh? Seriously? LOL. Ummm, okie dokie. Well, we need another stop by our defense here. Come on guys, get us the ball back!"

Exactly.

This offense should have so completely dismantled the Jets last night, it could have replicated the opening possession over and over...but of course, no that can't happen. But hey, that defense (even without Cushing and a gimpy JJo hobbling around out there) held the Jets to 10.

Kubiak and Marciano's crew allowed an easy 7 via Jacoby Amobi Holliday.
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I have no problem with Kubiak game planning and play calling in general.

Anybody can second guess a certain call (including other ex-coaches), but overall, I believe that Kubiak's play-calling is pretty good to good.

It was clock management and some other things that I wanted him to improve over the years, and he has improved quite a bit as a coach.
 
What is it with these "playing not to lose" and "conservative playcalling" blanket statements? If you're going to make these kinds of statements, following them up with some detail, such as what play was called, and what you would have done different in that particular situation, so that someone can tell what you're talking about.

But if you're just going to make those blanket statements and not give any reasons for making them, then that just reeks of lingering resentment that Kubiak is still the head coach, thereby making those blanket statements completely disingenuous.
 
GP's mind-boggling critique of Kubiak's play-calling inside the ten is a weeeeee bit overstated, to say the least.

We've run the ball 19 times inside 10 yd line for 98 yds, or 5.1 ypc. On the passing side we're 4-7 for 39 yds, 5.6 ypa.

Additionally, there were six first downs the Texans gained on plays from inside their own ten. The offense is generating long, time-consuming drives that result in points, so this latest iteration of Kubiak-bashing is really a head-scratcher to this fan.

http://www.pro-football-reference.c...esult=&margin_min=&margin_max=&order_by=yards
 
Mailman said:
I fail to understand how anyone can bash Kubiak for being too conservative on the last two possessions. We have the best running back in the NFL behind Matt Schaub, we're playing on the road with a lead, and some people expect to throw the ball instead? Huh? And risk a clock-stopping incompletion?
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The only complaint I have in this situation (lately) is that we can't pick up a first down. I know the other guys get paid, but we're supposed to be good at running the ball & have yet to put the game on ice by running.
 
GP said:
When was the last time you watched our defense in the past two years, and you had some sort of disgusted reaction to what you saw our defense doing on the field...the positioning, the formations, the actual play call, etc?

Now ask yourself this: How many times have you watched the offense and wondered "Huh? Seriously? LOL. Ummm, okie dokie. Well, we need another stop by our defense here. Come on guys, get us the ball back!"

Exactly.
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People have been complaining about the run defense for about 5 weeks now.
 
Fiddler said:
The only complaint I have in this situation (lately) is that we can't pick up a first down. I know the other guys get paid, but we're supposed to be good at running the ball & have yet to put the game on ice by running.
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What do you do if they fail to convert 4th and 1 in your own territory?
 
fiasco west said:
I think this just proved the whole case about "Desperate teams" and even Gruden who knows more football than all of us said right before the game that he always hated playing a team that was embarrassed the week before.

Add up that the Jets were at home and it was a primetime game and that usually spells out upset.
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Tailgate said:
We are 5-0. Getting the Jets at home after they got shillacked, well.. You see what we got and Im not surprised. I had a feeling it would be a battle.

The only thing I really got from this game is Cushings injury. ****.
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Totally agree! I warned of this type skirmish in the predict the score thread. I told y'all it would be close.
 
Corrosion said:
KW showed up tonight ... as did Casey & OD along with Foster ....

This offense is designed to take what the defense gives and not make mistakes. Two turnovers in 5 games ... all W's where different parts of the offense have beaten opposing defenses resulting in 5 W's.


You might stop one part but you arent going to stop all of AJ , Foster , OD , Casey and Walter.

The only way to shut down this offense is to make it beat itself with turnovers .... and Schaub isnt very turnover prone , he'll throw a ball away before allowing the defense to force a critical error.He's really an extension of Kubiak on the field in that aspect.

Only three teams have a better +/- in the turnover department than the Texans (NE , Chi and Atlanta). Of those four teams , all are atop (or tied) for their respective divisions.
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Spot On!!
This ain't the Patriots or Saints or Packers were we sling it around the yard no matter the score! And even the Pats have gone back to the running game more and more.

It boggles my mind why folks want to see passing at the end of a game when we're winning....?
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We have, arguably, the best defense in the AFC, if not the league and a top three running game. Why wouldn't any SANE, LOGICAL person go to those Strengths to close out a road win??

Some explain the logic in passing when the out come could be (a) an incomplete pass which stops the clock or, worse, an INT which gives the the ball and momentum. Help me understand why I'd risk stopping the clock or turning the ball over???
 
I dont care what anyone says, AJ is not right. He is either injured OR playing scared not wanting to get injured. Last night he ran routes terribly and showed no stop and cut like we have seen in the past, nor was he aggressive after his catch. On the one over the middle, instead of turning up field and lowering the boom like he used to, he coward, ran backwards and fell down. Something ain't right.
 
corytx8 said:
What do you do if they fail to convert 4th and 1 in your own territory?
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Who said anything about 4th & 1? We've got three downs..... last year, we'd pick up that first more times than not. This year, not so much.
 
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