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Texans' Wade Phillips would like a head-coaching gig
- Thread starter CloakNNNdagger
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I am surprised he didn't go after the Tampa Bay job last year.
Wade Phillps was hired as the Dallas coach when he was 60. Marv Levy was hired when he was 61. Dick Vermeil was hired when he was 65. These are the oldest NFL head coach hires I can recall. Vermeil of course, had a superbowl victory and superbowl appearance though. We have seen the trend go back towards younger, coordinatos and younger re-treads. Guys in their 40s and 50s are getting the jobs.
Wade is correct that as he gets older it will get tougher and tougher to get a Head coaching gig. He is already 65 years old. Next year, he would be 66 before the first game is played. I think this is the make it or break it offseason for him. If he is not offered and odes not take a head coaching job this upcoming offseason, he will be 67 years old. It will be tough for a GM to hire a 67 year old head coach in the NFL.
Wade Phillps was hired as the Dallas coach when he was 60. Marv Levy was hired when he was 61. Dick Vermeil was hired when he was 65. These are the oldest NFL head coach hires I can recall. Vermeil of course, had a superbowl victory and superbowl appearance though. We have seen the trend go back towards younger, coordinatos and younger re-treads. Guys in their 40s and 50s are getting the jobs.
Wade is correct that as he gets older it will get tougher and tougher to get a Head coaching gig. He is already 65 years old. Next year, he would be 66 before the first game is played. I think this is the make it or break it offseason for him. If he is not offered and odes not take a head coaching job this upcoming offseason, he will be 67 years old. It will be tough for a GM to hire a 67 year old head coach in the NFL.
houstonspartan
All Pro
Agree.
Also, I don't think it's necessarily age. I think some owners are so desperate that they'd hire an experienced head coach, regardless of age. I just think Wade has been labeled "Mediocre head coach, outstanding Defensive Coordinator."
The head coaching gig is very big picture. Wade's been fired several times from that job, so, it looks to a lot of people like he can't lead. And that's ok. He's still an amazingly experienced coach, has an astonishing eye for recruiting (JJ Watt, aka, WHO?) and is a great defensive coordinator.
Playoffs
Hall of Fame
I'm not. The fact that, after thinking about it, he declined to even meet with the Bucs tells you something about that organization. They're already two for two in local television blackouts. A black hole.
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
Sometimes I think he puts this stuff out there to make sure McNair keeps himself one of the highest paid. I am half sarcastic, half joking, and half honest.
Tailgate
Fall of Hame
Or half hoping.
houstonspartan
All Pro
Lol. Trust me, McNair knows what Wade has done for his franchise. There's no need for Wade to pull anything like this to stay on McNair's radar.
Kubiak put the franchise on the map, but, Wade elevated it to the upper-level of the NFL. McNair knows that.
It would be cool if we could do something at the next home game to show Wade how much we appreciate him here & put a kabosh on this head coaching talk.
I understand where Wade is coming from, I also think his record & what he's done here will make him a prime candidate this coming off-season. The only thing I didn't like about the Tama Bay gig was that he didn't ask them to wait till after our play-off run & it's Tampa bay, he can do so much better than that.
I understand where Wade is coming from, I also think his record & what he's done here will make him a prime candidate this coming off-season. The only thing I didn't like about the Tama Bay gig was that he didn't ask them to wait till after our play-off run & it's Tampa bay, he can do so much better than that.
Wolf
100% Texan
what will be will be.
I see it as "I am busting my tail off at the DC position so that I might get a HC job again in the future" basically no different than if TJ Yates said that he is working hard and wanting to be a starting QB in the league.
with that said, I hope we are grooming a replacement and if so, who would you think would be able to fill those shoes, if we were to go in house
just for conversation sake
BTW I agree with Sandy ..Feb would be a better time to worry
I see it as "I am busting my tail off at the DC position so that I might get a HC job again in the future" basically no different than if TJ Yates said that he is working hard and wanting to be a starting QB in the league.
with that said, I hope we are grooming a replacement and if so, who would you think would be able to fill those shoes, if we were to go in house
just for conversation sake
BTW I agree with Sandy ..Feb would be a better time to worry
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
what will be will be.
I see it as "I am busting my tail off at the DC position so that I might get a HC job again in the future" basically no different than if TJ Yates said that he is working hard and wanting to be a starting QB in the league.
with that said, I hope we are grooming a replacement and if so, who would you think would be able to fill those shoes, if we were to go in house
just for conversation sake
BTW I agree with Sandy ..Feb would be a better time to worry
It didn't work out so well when he was out for surgery last year. Somebody better have picked it up a bit since then if that was to happen.
Wade would be a great HC.
Working for Jerrah and Ralph Wilson is losing proposition for completely different reasons.
Working for Jerrah and Ralph Wilson is losing proposition for completely different reasons.
GP
Go Texans!
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You're not going anywhere, Wade. Stop this FECES already.
You're once again distracting us in the middle of a fantastic run, like you did last year I might add.
Starting to get pissed off about this. He needs to tell all reporters that questions about becoming a head coach again are off limits. He's the FREAKing defensive coordinator here and frankly, McNair should have built into his contract that Wade would decline to answer such questions at all times.
This FECES was reported LAST year, now here it is again THIS year. Bob should have a sit down with Wade and his agent, let them know this FECES is getting old. Yeah, yeah, yeah...."You can't stop a reporter from asking a question!" But you can start the interview by saying contractually you are not going to answer those questions, so let's skip to the questions about the FREAKING HOUSTON TEXANS already. End of problem.
You're not going anywhere, Wade. Stop this FECES already.
You're once again distracting us in the middle of a fantastic run, like you did last year I might add.
Starting to get pissed off about this. He needs to tell all reporters that questions about becoming a head coach again are off limits. He's the FREAKing defensive coordinator here and frankly, McNair should have built into his contract that Wade would decline to answer such questions at all times.
This FECES was reported LAST year, now here it is again THIS year. Bob should have a sit down with Wade and his agent, let them know this FECES is getting old. Yeah, yeah, yeah...."You can't stop a reporter from asking a question!" But you can start the interview by saying contractually you are not going to answer those questions, so let's skip to the questions about the FREAKING HOUSTON TEXANS already. End of problem.
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Why are acting like a spoiled child throwing a fit? Just like most high school and college football playing kid dreams about the NFL, rookies dreaming about stars and Pro Bowls, the coaches that are not Head Coaches already dream about getting that status again. It is, has been, and will always be Phillips's dream to be a HC again. The players understand that and if anything they should be both prepared for it and play harder to convince him to stay or make the last ride more memorable. Also, if any players DO get distracted by this, they are not the mature and ready player we need.
GP
Go Texans!
For one thing, this team--The Texans--they gave Wade a chance after he fell on his face trying to be a head coach (again).
Now here we are, supposedly on a track for the Super Bowl, like we were last year, and yet AGAIN we have Wade making comments about being a head coach...after having been made a very rich man by Bob McNair to be our d-coord.
So yeah, I make a big deal of it. I like the Texans. I don't particularly like stepping-stoners like Wade pulling this same old trick on an annual basis. One foot in, one foot out, looking for ways to attain a position he has no business trying to attain if we want all be perfectly honest about it.
I guess I also sort of begin to get curious about his intellect. Does he not know or appreciate the idea of being "THE BEST" at something, no matter what that is? You can make a lot of money, be very happy, AND attain accolades by being the best at something. Being head coach is not Wade's talent. He won't be the best at it, hell he won't even be MEDIOCRE at it. Yet he had to be one?
LOL. Some people struggle with crack cocaine. Some people have a gambling problem. I guess Wade's kryptonite is NFL head coach.
I shake my head at it. I really do. And the residue off it is that WE and our players have to deal with it. What players on our team talk the way this man talks? When was the last time Brian Cushing or any other player said "Yeah, I like it here...but I still dream of being with a SB team like the Giants or Patriots too."??????? They don't. No other Texans coach does this stuff, either, by the way.
Just when I get to the point of forgiving Wade for last year's transgression...he goes and pulls me back in with a new one. And it's identical to the last one. So I wonder about him. Great defensive mind, no doubt. Other areas? I dunno.
BullBlitz
Section 331
I'm not surprised that he didn't have interest in the Bucs either, but if he truly wants to be a HC again, I hope he gets his shot.
But I hope he stays in the AFC. Supposedly the Chargers are going to be looking for a defensively oriented HC if they don't improve this year.
Nawzer
Alienz
Although, I'm not overly worried about Wade leaving us any time soon, I am wondering what's the plan after him? He's getting up there in age and who knows how long he wants to keep doing this. I wonder if the Texans are developing a protege to take over. Someone like a Vance Joseph who has done a great job of working with the secondary.
Goldensilence
hipster elite
I'm really hoping Wade will decide to become the Jim Johnson of the Texans.
The coaching carousel in the NFL tends to go in trend from re-tread older HCs to younger up and coming. Right now for the most part it seems to be be in the younger trend.
To me Wade passing up the Bucs job and who they went with after is pretty telling to the state of that franchise. I'm just not a big fan of pulling HC out of college ranks.
I think at this point unless he wants to go to another bad situation like KC, he's going to have a harder sale with more successful places that might be up this next year like Dallas(obviously), SD, or Philly.
The coaching carousel in the NFL tends to go in trend from re-tread older HCs to younger up and coming. Right now for the most part it seems to be be in the younger trend.
To me Wade passing up the Bucs job and who they went with after is pretty telling to the state of that franchise. I'm just not a big fan of pulling HC out of college ranks.
I think at this point unless he wants to go to another bad situation like KC, he's going to have a harder sale with more successful places that might be up this next year like Dallas(obviously), SD, or Philly.
GP
Go Texans!
I don't have control over it?!?!? Wow, what a news flash.
This just in: Captain Obvious adds nothing to the thread except a personal insult. Whoops, now I am being Captain Obvious.
I guess it must be feeding time for trolls.
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
I don't really see the problem GP. Wade is doing an outstanding job here, and if he gets another gig it will suck to lose him, but all of us should "expect" that to happen. If you want to have a top DC or OC, you can't also expect them not to be in talks for other HC jobs. That's asking to have it both ways, and that simply isn't realistic. HC gigs are always going to go to the hot coordinators around the league or ex HC's that want back in that are still hot commodities like Cowher and Dungy. I don't see Wade as some guy that is campaigning him name out there or anything, but he is being truthful and honest about wanting another shot at bringing a team to glory. After all that is what he has worked his whole life for. He deserves that shot again if teams out there feel that he is the man to get their franchise there. I really hope that you or no one else will bash Wade Phillips if he does end up deciding to take another coaching gig for doing an outstanding job in Houston.
All we can do is hope that he continues to improve our defense little by little for as long as he is here. Whether he leaves or not is out of our hands and we have no control over that.
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
I don't really understand the bashing of Wade as HC either. I thought he did pretty well in Dallas. He was there for like only 4 years or 3.5 until he was fired for the guy they always wanted any way who is also failing pretty hard.
Wade came into Dallas and immediately had the best record in the NFC that season where they barely lost in the 2nd round of the playoffs to the SB winning Giants on the last play of the game by a typical Romo INT that lost the game. That was a great season for Wade and the Cowboys though. The very next season they failed pretty hard by losing the last game of the season and missing the playoffs after all of the distractions from HARD KNOCKS and TO tearing the team apart. Wade did not bring in TO though. He had to deal with the same problem that several teams did with TO and guys like Pac Man Jones and all these other misfits that Jerry Jones wanted on that team. That team had a ton of felons and problem players. The year after that Wade got them back into the playoffs where they won a game and went 11-5. The year after Wade got fired mid way into the season. Wade had two very good seasons and two average seasons where he was fired in the 2nd one.
Over all I'd say he did just fine, but had to work for a mad man in Jerry Jones who wanted to run things any way. Right now Jason Garrett is looking like the same OC that he should have always been instead of a HC and is doing much worse than Wade in my eyes.
I'll agree that Wade more suited to be a DC though. I think he is a better fit for that, but I wouldn't rule out the possibility of Wade being able to have success again as a HC. He did have some success and wasn't the perpetual fail that you described.
MEGA SWATT
All Pro
GP
Go Texans!
Eh, it doesn't matter what I would say. The template is out on me.
Wade Phillips can want to be a HC as much as Michael Jordan wants to be an NBA franchise owner...and they'll both get the same amount of success from it.
And in the meantime, everyone else in the Texans clubhouse is doing their jobs and they're not talking about playing or coaching for some future team or HC vacancy that doesn't exist yet. Only Wade continues to answer these questions, find himself in these media stories about becoming a HC again.
I have to remind myself that just because he is a genius with a 34 Defense doesn't mean he would be inherently smart with everything else that's thrown his way. I failed to fully realize that.
Here's to hoping that Bob and Rick and Gary are already making Plan B preparations for the new d-coord after this year. Wade will leave the first chance he gets, he's made that very clear on more than one occasion. Free country and all that jazz...
Wade Phillips can want to be a HC as much as Michael Jordan wants to be an NBA franchise owner...and they'll both get the same amount of success from it.
And in the meantime, everyone else in the Texans clubhouse is doing their jobs and they're not talking about playing or coaching for some future team or HC vacancy that doesn't exist yet. Only Wade continues to answer these questions, find himself in these media stories about becoming a HC again.
I have to remind myself that just because he is a genius with a 34 Defense doesn't mean he would be inherently smart with everything else that's thrown his way. I failed to fully realize that.
Here's to hoping that Bob and Rick and Gary are already making Plan B preparations for the new d-coord after this year. Wade will leave the first chance he gets, he's made that very clear on more than one occasion. Free country and all that jazz...
painekiller
All Pro
Eh, it doesn't matter what I would say. The template is out on me.
Wade Phillips can want to be a HC as much as Michael Jordan wants to be an NBA franchise owner...and they'll both get the same amount of success from it.
And in the meantime, everyone else in the Texans clubhouse is doing their jobs and they're not talking about playing or coaching for some future team or HC vacancy that doesn't exist yet. Only Wade continues to answer these questions, find himself in these media stories about becoming a HC again.
I have to remind myself that just because he is a genius with a 34 Defense doesn't mean he would be inherently smart with everything else that's thrown his way. I failed to fully realize that.
Here's to hoping that Bob and Rick and Gary are already making Plan B preparations for the new d-coord after this year. Wade will leave the first chance he gets, he's made that very clear on more than one occasion. Free country and all that jazz...
Who else on our team is even getting asked these questions? Behind Kubes, Son of Bum is the most high profile staff member we have. I would argue that most people outside of the Texans fan base are probably more familiar to the name Phillips. He is simply being honest and anyone with half a brain knows that a HC gig would be a strong temptation for ANYONE not already a HC. Also, if our players are so mentally weak that something like this will distract them, then they deserve to lose. Contenders are not that mentally fragile. Real men nut up. Besides, you talk about McNair making Phillips the highest DC like Phillips owes McNair or something. Phillips has already turned our piss poor, pathetic squad from 2010 into the most aggressive and possibly the most feared defenses in the span of less than 2 years. He has ALREADY earned his pay and more. The NFL is a business and it is HIS business to discuss or consider future HC gigs.
Wade would have gotten a DC job somewhere. Giving Wade a chance after he "fell on his face" would have been giving him a HC job. & he didn't "fall on his face" He got them Cowboys to the play-offs more times than not, if I remember right, & got them their only play-off win in the last decade.
Wade Phillips can want to be a HC as much as Michael Jordan wants to be an NBA franchise owner...and they'll both get the same amount of success from it.
Wade was more succesful as a HC than Mj was as an NBA exec.
dream_team
Hall of Fame
Exactly. He's the only one on the staff deserving of a HC position. Even Dennison would be a surprise if he was offered a HC job.
If the defense keeps this up, I'd be surprised (happily surprised) to see Wade back with us next season.
GP
Go Texans!
They are not foolish enough to represent themselves with millions of dollars on the line. They have counsel, trust me.
As to your second point: Yes, Wade can decline to answer questions. Media can ask the question, Wade can decline to comment.
I wanted Wade Phillips to cement his legacy with Houston, not USE Houston as a stepping stone to a HC job that he'll just regret taking anyways.
Free country, and all that jazz, so he can do what he wants....but as a Texans fan it feels like he could do better by all of us than two straight years of Wade floating out the whole "Aww shucks, I like it here...but I could be a HC again...but oh how I really like it here..." stuff. He should just make the jump whenever he wants, I'm done.
silentassassin
Waterboy
Lets worry about it after Feb!!
This. Thanks.
Well put Tex! I think anyone who bashes Wade needs to understand this isn't a marriage and he's not cheating on us. The guy wants to achieve ultimate success as a head coach. Who can blame him for that? Anyone who has ever tried at something and failed to reach their ultimate goal SHOULD be able to understand that.
I appreciate the job Wade has done for this team and I'd love to have him around. But I know the guy can get the job done as a head coach if he were to be given that opportunity. His failures in the playoffs weren't really all on him. The whining and complaining about him saying he would like to be a head coach again is something I will never understand. But it doesn't surprise me.
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Good question. It was a bad head coaching decision considering that season and how Flutie impacted it to get the team into the playoffs. Allegedly, though, Ralph Wilson made him bench Flutie. But it's Wade that gets the blame.
As far as the topic, I agree with SheTex. Worry about this stuff after February.
That being said, I understand GP's rant. Why now, at the beginning of October after just four games? Why is this even being answered? Wade should just look at the reporter asking the question and give him a GTFO look. This same question can come up when it's time. Part of me sees Wade answering the question as a little bait on the hook. It's a little ego-driven, but partly understanding the nature of head coaches, they are all ego-driven to some extent. It comes with the job.
I agree with Wade about his chances of getting an HC offer. He's got a resume and it's pretty decent. Not spectacular by any stretch, but it's a "safe" pick for an owner. However, the trend in the NFL is to get young coordinators, look for the next young genius, so it's an uphill thing for a guy like Wade with his age and resume.
I'm not pissed like GP, but I understand why it's upsetting him. This is the most exciting start of a season that this city has seen in decades, and comes off of the greatest season the Texans have had so far. It's exciting and emotional to be a fan, so let the guy rant, disagree with his take, but keep the personal insults out of it. You know the forum rules. Attack the content of the post, not the individual posting it.
What's the #)*%^@$#(%*^ matter with stupid questions like that, during the season, in the apogee of the pinnacle of our beloved TEXANS, from USA TODAY?!?!?!
I wonder how they asked him... and of course he answered humbly.
I know he's not just going to blurt it out without being asked. *We're in the middle of a great run, USA TODAY! Stop asking dumb questions!!!
I wonder how they asked him... and of course he answered humbly.
I know he's not just going to blurt it out without being asked. *We're in the middle of a great run, USA TODAY! Stop asking dumb questions!!!
welsh texan
You may say I’m a dreamer but I’m not the only one
Kinda hoping Wade doesn't get his opportunity to scratch that itch, although he clearly feels there's unfinished business. I know we'd move on in the event of losing Wade and either continue the same direction by promoting one of his disciples or re-haul the D scheme again and look for continued success that way, but it just feels like a match made in heaven and has the makings of a long term success story him staying here.
If he goes, I wish him the best, but I don't wanna lose him, I enjoy watching this team play more now than at any time during the 9 years I've followed them.
If he goes, I wish him the best, but I don't wanna lose him, I enjoy watching this team play more now than at any time during the 9 years I've followed them.
eh... other coaches have made the same decision with less blow back. Del Rio pulled Garrard after getting to the play-offs to start Leftwich, because Leftwich was the starter..... Garrard made that a better team at that time.
Batch was playing well, got benched in favor of their starter & I think Pittsburgh won the Superbowl that year.
Montana/ Young....
We don't know how things would have turned out if Flutie started. It may have been the same result, the other team gets paid too.