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Boo Birds?
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eriadoc
Texan-American
I don't know when it happened, but it seems to happen way too often for my liking - Kubiak calls a draw play on 3rd and 15+ on our side of the field. I mean, does he have a super secret stash of tapes the rest of us never experienced where that play works? And so he keeps calling it? It's a give-up play, and everyone knows it. He just calls it to get a few yards to get some room for the punter. Tactically sound or not, it pisses off fans.
No idea if that was where he got booed. I don't remember any boos. But if there were any, that's my first bet on when/why they happened.
No idea if that was where he got booed. I don't remember any boos. But if there were any, that's my first bet on when/why they happened.
kiwitexansfan
Hall of Fame
Well given the reaction on this board to our team, it wouldn't surprise me at all.
Maybe they have PTSD from too many bad seasons, I don't know.
Maybe they have PTSD from too many bad seasons, I don't know.
TexanSam
Hall of Fame
I think that was the reason why. As far as that play goes, I'm not a fan of it either. But it seems like every single team in the NFL runs a draw play in that situation as well. I've watched many games this year and when a team is in 3rd and very long, they'll run a draw.
jahunter221
Practice Squad
I just think fans exceptions have risen. I boo when they run a bone heased play or mistake because these issues have to be cleaned up to become a cgampionship team. This isnt the old rah rah go texans, hooray for getying the ball past the 50.
TimeKiller
Guest
1. F PK/ESPN.
2. That wasn't a boo. We boo'd when the officials placed the ball 7 yards away from where the Titans first downed it after a punt. What we saw was the Texans needing 10 yards and going for 3. What they got was big, "Maaaaaaan, COME ON." Big difference.
3. The draw play thing is tiresome. It usually caps off two plays that folded and is....let's say....pretty obvious when it's coming. Too many weapons on this offense to play for enough room to punt.
2. That wasn't a boo. We boo'd when the officials placed the ball 7 yards away from where the Titans first downed it after a punt. What we saw was the Texans needing 10 yards and going for 3. What they got was big, "Maaaaaaan, COME ON." Big difference.
3. The draw play thing is tiresome. It usually caps off two plays that folded and is....let's say....pretty obvious when it's coming. Too many weapons on this offense to play for enough room to punt.
TejasTom
All Pro
I think it was the offensive possession after the Ninja sack-fumble, SWatt recovery.
4th qtr Houston Texans at 07:10
1-10-TEN 17
(7:10) 23-A.Foster up the middle to TEN 15 for 2 yards (79-P.Egboh).
2-8-TEN 15
(6:29) 23-A.Foster right end pushed ob at TEN 13 for 2 yards (53-Z.Diles).
3-6-TEN 13
(5:54) 23-A.Foster right end to TEN 14 for -1 yards (30-J.McCourty).
For one thing, they are going to run Arian to death. Second, if you are going run the same play 3x in a row, get AJ some touchdowns.
4th qtr Houston Texans at 07:10
1-10-TEN 17
(7:10) 23-A.Foster up the middle to TEN 15 for 2 yards (79-P.Egboh).
2-8-TEN 15
(6:29) 23-A.Foster right end pushed ob at TEN 13 for 2 yards (53-Z.Diles).
3-6-TEN 13
(5:54) 23-A.Foster right end to TEN 14 for -1 yards (30-J.McCourty).
For one thing, they are going to run Arian to death. Second, if you are going run the same play 3x in a row, get AJ some touchdowns.
Thats the bottom line .... The odds of converting that 3rd and a mile are slim. Rather give up on a drive than give up a safety , a possession and the field position associated with a free kick or a blocked punt for recovered for a TD.
The consequences of either a safety or a recovery for a TD can change the entire course of a game.
Safe plays in that situation are limited to draws and screens really .... And they do have the potential to be successful on occasion tho the odds are against it.
GlassHalfFull
Hall of Fame
I don't remember any boos yesterday aimed at the team. I hate booing and it pisses me off, so I usually make note of them.
The only booing I remember was a punt that went out of bounds at the 12 and the ref's originally spotted inside the 10.
Mike
Mike
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
Except when you have a defense like the Texans, you can play it safe deep on your own end and live for another series. Granted, the Inbreds scored on that drive, but they had to go the length of the field and chew up 4 and a half minutes instead of getting a short field and scoring quickly because the Texans tried to force something deep in their own end.
I called that play before they broke the huddle because you run that play in that situation. The problem was the 2 plays before.
That draw also gained 7 yards - Foster's 3rd longest run of the day - and he's been known to pick up that 1st down a time or two.
As for the booing, eh, really don't give a crap much about what fans do, other than keeping it down on offense. They paid their money.
BlueSteel
Waterboy
It was the Foster draw play and as stated already it was more of an "Awwwww!!!"
I felt it to because we went 3 and out and it felt like we had a number of plays that could have been more effective than conservative runs right into the hands of the defense. It felt like the Tacks coaches knew exactly what Kubes was going to call in that situation and Kubes stayed predictable.
I heard boos in reliant when I watched in shock as the Rosencopter unfolded before us. The only booing yesterday was the retarded spot by the ref.
Dutchrudder
Hall of Fame
PK quote on this, only part of an article:
http://espn.go.com/blog/afcsouth/post/_/id/41673/wrap-up-texans-38-titans-14
http://espn.go.com/blog/afcsouth/post/_/id/41673/wrap-up-texans-38-titans-14
fiasco west
All Pro
Exactly. I have to explain this every week.
"WHY ARE THEY RUNNING THE BALL! WHY!?!?!"
"Umm...because it's 3rd and 11 on our own 5 yard line?"
Also I think Kubes has handled it well. One thing I am noticing against lesser opponents is very conservative playcalling. He knows that the only way we lose to the Titans or Jags is by beating ourselves. Against the Broncos though he aired it out. I'm expecting the same old conservative playcalling against the Jets since...their offense is not going to beat us, but if you give their offense short fields and turn over the ball then any team can beat you on any sunday.
I don't think you have to be a die hard fan to say "Your team is good. Quit booing them."
k2djspike
Waterboy
This is why i love this forum. I am and will always be a diehard basketball fan and am a casual football fan. Post like these help me learn more about the game and why certain calls are made. Keep up the good work.
ThaShark316
#28
If morons want to boo 3rd and forever inside your own 10 draw plays, it just shows lack of football knowledge.
It's the same with 3rd and goal from the 20 after penalties. Just what the **** can you run? Unless it's everyone on go routes, you can forget it. Game isn't on the line.
Boo if you want, but like booing Carlos Beltran...it's getting old.
It's the same with 3rd and goal from the 20 after penalties. Just what the **** can you run? Unless it's everyone on go routes, you can forget it. Game isn't on the line.
Boo if you want, but like booing Carlos Beltran...it's getting old.
GP
Go Texans!
Meh. I guess this is what it's like to have a completely dominating team.
We get the AFC South Blogger making a big deal of it, and we get fans on here arguing about it. Nice problems to have, I'd say.
I wasn't happy with the play calling there, and I never am in that situation, because we end up giving the other team the ball with a short field. We take a stop that our defense gave us, and we make our guys go right back onto the field and expect them to do it again or something, I suppose.
That sucks for Wade and his guys. To make a stop, and then to have Gary go turtle because he's scared of turning the ball over near our own EZ.
I guess the defense needs to just let a few scores go, make Gary have to play catch-up the rest of the game. I bet there wouldn't be the predictable go-turtle formation and play calling if we get pinned deep. Right?
Boo'ing is what it is, and people need to quit acting holier-than-thou about it. It's just a noise. BFD.
We get the AFC South Blogger making a big deal of it, and we get fans on here arguing about it. Nice problems to have, I'd say.
I wasn't happy with the play calling there, and I never am in that situation, because we end up giving the other team the ball with a short field. We take a stop that our defense gave us, and we make our guys go right back onto the field and expect them to do it again or something, I suppose.
That sucks for Wade and his guys. To make a stop, and then to have Gary go turtle because he's scared of turning the ball over near our own EZ.
I guess the defense needs to just let a few scores go, make Gary have to play catch-up the rest of the game. I bet there wouldn't be the predictable go-turtle formation and play calling if we get pinned deep. Right?
Boo'ing is what it is, and people need to quit acting holier-than-thou about it. It's just a noise. BFD.
michaelm
vox nihili
Agreed. They only way the tits win that game is if the Texans turn the ball over and give the tits free points. I am 100% on Kubiak's side in getting some breathing room for his punter, getting the ball out of our end of the field, and trusting the defense to hold the tacks from scoring.
Heath Shuler
SPEED KILLS
Don't believe every thing you read.
What sense would it make to run 4 wides when the defense knows you have to pass and have their dime package on the field and their pass rush specialists in the front 5?? Maybe you catch them selling out for the pass rush and pick up the 15... Orrrrr... maybe you're setting them up for something totally different in the second half when that down/distance situ comes up again.
Just a guess.
I'm not going to squabble with individual play calls when we're 4-0 and have been up by 20+ on everyone we've played so far.
Miami game was totally different.
I didn't boo, but I shared their sentiment, the team looked flat & incompetent when those boos came out.
Yesterday, it wasn't the whole stadium. It was like it started & the boo birds understood their sentiments weren't as popular as they thought & it stopped pretty quick.
We (I was involved) bood the refs at least twice that I can remember. Martin's first down play, where they tried to rob us & the punt where the Titan touched the ball 7 yards ahead of where the refs originally spotted it.
My thoughts, if you really don't like the boo birds, go to the game & shut them up.
First, I don't think they were booing the team. I think they were booing the coach, the play calling. Not just that one, but that whole series.
We expect better (I wasn't booing but I agreed with them). Bottom line.
We're not asking anyone to do anything stupid & as safe as the play calling was back into our own end-zone, it still could have been better. We looked like the Jaguars on that series.... no, the Jags would have probably got out of that situation.
Your solution is for me to attend the game and attempt to quiet thousands of booing fans?
Perhaps they were "mooo'ing"? You know, getting into the spirit of bulls on parade and all. 
Personally, if there were boo's, I think it was a chump move on those fans. But, that's just my opinion, and they paid their money and have the right to be chump fans all they want.
Personally, if there were boo's, I think it was a chump move on those fans. But, that's just my opinion, and they paid their money and have the right to be chump fans all they want.
yep, and we've been conditioned by it.
It's been a long, long time since this city had a football team that we could EXPECT to win, and that feeling is new to a lot of folks around this town, as well. Early '90's were the last time that I can remember believing that my football team could win every game.
GP
Go Texans!
Agree 100%.
Perki-Perk
DieHard Texan!
I'll buy this and I bet you we will see a much different look against the likes of GB, Baltimore and N.E. and to a lesser extent, Chicago and Detroit. I think Kubes has some tricks up his sleave he just won't expose until playoffs, plays he's probably used before, but hoping teams have long since forgotten about and maybe a few new gems. In my opinion, we have still been very vanilla against our first 4 opponents. TBH, I think Kubes would rather take an L against a team, then show a potential come back series of plays useful for a playoff type situation. We shall see.
Hey, 4-0 is great, but we really haven't played anyone yet. Although, I can imagine the 2010 Texans would be 2-2 right now and even the 2011 Texans might be looking at 3-1. I think we drop that game in Denver if it's not THIS year's team and I think the 2010 team drops it to the Titans once they brought it to within 7.
I love the focus and general TEAM attitude these guys have. No one complains about touches or how many downs they play, they just get it done. I freaking love this team and what they have built. Houston may not have the flashiest franchises, but they always build franchises you can be proud of.
b0ng
Bad Hombre
Give me a break, Houston fans look like entitled babies when they are booing their team the first game of the season barely into the 2nd quarter. That was downright embarrassing.
I didn't notice as much booing in yesterdays game but it does not surprise me in the least that there were Houston fans booing when we were up 14-7 and they didn't approve of not getting points on every single offensive possession. Especially after that team is already 3-0.
PK is still a gigantic bag of douche, but it's not out of line to make a comment about people booing their "first time in franchise history 3-0 and now 4-0 team".
And yes, I'll be at the Packers game trying to "shut them up" whatever that means. I take it to mean drink as much beer as possible but your definition may be different.
Perki-Perk
DieHard Texan!
Exactly. With all the hype at the end of last year, the expectations of Shaub's return and the fan base growing from game to game, anything less than the AFC championship will be unacceptable as far as most fans are concerned.
When we come out flat against Miami for almost the whole first half, people will boo because we can NOT afford to do that against the upper echelon of teams. When we get backed into our own endzone by a far inferior team considering who we are supposed to be, people will boo.
It's just the nature of the expectations that fans have built up over the past couple of years. Being a Texan fan of old, I'm still very nervous if we don't have a comfortable 2 score lead. I will cheer my head off when we do good, but the fans should let the coach have it when the playcall is subpar. This is not the YMCA, it is the NFL.
GP
Go Texans!
We agree on the reasons behind those particular plays .... but I think the downfield shots Vs dink and dunk are more a product of what the defenses are doing .... particularly the depth of their safeties. When those safeties are playing up , those long plays are safe plays .... Very little risk of a turnover when they are in stride with a reciever. When they are playing back in a deep zone , they are able to make more plays on the ball sideline to sideline .... those deep throws become a bigger risk.
Jax played their safeties in another county .... and their LBers were at depth often too .... what we saw was the offense take advantage of that by pounding the ball on the ground and controling the clock.
Denver played their safeties up aggressively .... and they went deep often and with great result. Denver wanted to stop the run .... and paid for it.
The Tits were somewhere between the two , they took a downfield shot or two but the results werent what they were Vs Denver .... Schaub spread the ball underneath those safeties controlling the clock with a mix of runs and completions.
Perki-Perk
DieHard Texan!
Best Wave I've ever been a part of was the 2008 Pro Bowl. It went around Aloha Stadium serveral times, (I think around 12), before it started to die down. It was also great to see Meco out there reppin the Texans as I dawned my expansion Jersey for the umpteenth time. 
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
I don't care how anyone rationalizes it, booing your team is stupid. It has absolutely no chance of affecting anything in that game. Kubiak doesn't give a flying fornication thru a rolling confection what a bunch of liquored up fans think of his play calling. He isn't going to be altering his play calling over it. The players sure as hell don't appreciate it. If you think you are helping pump them up by cheering them then the obvious flip side is you take wind out of their sails when you boo.
If you want to be constructive and consider yourself a superior play caller to Kubiak then call in to his show and talk to him. Not every HC affords their fans such an opportunity. We have all sorts of team leaders who appear on radio as well. Talk to them politely instead of being an inconsiderate boob in the stands.
/rant
SheTexan
Hall of Fame
There was definitely some booing going on, early in the game, but, seemed like the team wanted to boo themselves after a couple dumb plays also. All part of the game, and on any given Sunday. I don't like it, and definitely won't do it, but, it's gonna happen when fans get frustrated.
The "wave" is always irritating, as is the stup*d beach ball thing that some fans think is so COOL!! So glad to see the yellow shirts stop that crap. I HATE it and get booed bigtime everytime I manage to catch the ball. It brings me great joy to deflate the darn thing!
Another thing that was irritating Sunday was the "chant" some fans in the Bullpen kept trying to get going, which is a trademark chant for the Ravens. If your gonna try to estalish a CHANT for our team, make it original, and not one another team uses. JMO!
Overall, I think Sundays game day was so much better than most Titan games. Extra security for no reason! lol I guess all those VY homers finally bought a TEXAN jersey and got on the wagon!!
The "wave" is always irritating, as is the stup*d beach ball thing that some fans think is so COOL!! So glad to see the yellow shirts stop that crap. I HATE it and get booed bigtime everytime I manage to catch the ball. It brings me great joy to deflate the darn thing!
Another thing that was irritating Sunday was the "chant" some fans in the Bullpen kept trying to get going, which is a trademark chant for the Ravens. If your gonna try to estalish a CHANT for our team, make it original, and not one another team uses. JMO!
Overall, I think Sundays game day was so much better than most Titan games. Extra security for no reason! lol I guess all those VY homers finally bought a TEXAN jersey and got on the wagon!!
Perki-Perk
DieHard Texan!
I agree, but I was just offering my take on it from a psychological POV if you will. I have personally never boo'd my own team. I leave that to pompous yankees up in the Northeast. Interestingly though, after the booing vs Miami and the Titans...it seems the play picked up a little...so maybe somebody does care. Maybe the players go, "Gosh, the home crowd just boo'd us, let's give them something to cheer about." Instead of this whole new emo, YMCA attitude of, "Please cheer us regardless of how we do and we'll take a trophy too, thanks."
Again, I personally wouldn't boo, but yelling obscenities at your team and booing is the same thing and I wouldn't look down my nose at someone if they chose to boo. What's the difference between booing at the game, cursing at the TV at a public venue, or expressing your disgust with certain things on a forum? In one way or another it all gets back to the team, and real men who get paid millions of dollars don't want to let down their fan base and they get motivation out of it. To quote Cush, "Ain't no puppies out here".
Additionally: People who claim they don't care about rep, probably do somewhere deep down inside. However, instead of crying about it, they should seek to make better posts then they wouldn't make false claims about not caring about rep. People, interested enough in their team and that teams competitive fire usually have a little competitive fire of their own, and it reflects in their personal life. That's what sports is about, and we celebrate our victories and suffer our losses with our team, as we live vicariously through them on the gridiron.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Not sure of the point here - during the game nobody in the stadium is listening to the comments out at the Texans Grill in City Centre.
I agree they will eventually hear the fans' opinions and they need to be professionals about it. I just think there are better ways of providing fan feedback.