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Lets see the blame Carr fans on this one

Goldeagle

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Nice catch Bradford, way to keep my belief that we cant win when it matters!


But I am sure it was David Carrs fault
 
Carr had plenty of time and opportunities to make some plays today. It should not have come down to the last play of the game. He played poorly again, but by his current standards it was a career day.
 
He had a man open (AJ?) for a sure first down, and he could have ran out of bounds to stop the clock.

I am not blaming Carr for going deep. It was a VERY nice pass, and that's Carr's call IMO.

Bradford scored a TD earlier, and he dropped an easy one later. That's been his story from the very beginning. No surprise to me, nor should it be to anyone else.
 
Spin it how you want, the play before that Carr looked like the first year QB he resmbles every Sunday. And, AJ was also open on the play, most experienced QB's would have seen that, Carr never gave a look, locked onto the one target, gonna score, get close, or walk away the same 1-7 team they were before this game started. Carr blows, plain and simple, is he the only problem? Nope. Is he the answer though? ABSOLUTELY not........
 
the wonger need food said:
Carr had plenty of time and opportunities to make some plays today. It should not have come down to the last play of the game. He played poorly again, but by his current standards it was a career day.
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What ever. He played poorly. By whos standard. You must not have been watchong the same game as the rest of us. I dont even like talking to you haters anymore, because yall atre gunna say carr played bad no matter what.
 
the wonger need food said:
Carr had plenty of time and opportunities to make some plays today. It should not have come down to the last play of the game. He played poorly again, but by his current standards it was a career day.
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Wonger are you new to the game of football? Or did you not watch the game? Carr played pretty good today, not spectacular but good.. You just must not like the guy, because if you want a change at the QB position todays game gave you no fuel for that fire.

The bottom line is our Defense has trouble causing turn overs and pressuring the QB. They had a decent first half but unfortunately there are 4 quarters not 2.
 
Goldeagle said:
Nice catch Bradford, way to keep my belief that we cant win when it matters!


But I am sure it was David Carrs fault
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yes it was it gave us all the momentum in the game breaking all those tackles for a score it even made david look good and a 7-0 lead but corey cant help it if he gets the ball in double coverage like the last play that Carr totally Blew when the 1st down was wide open.
 
belars44 said:
Spin it how you want, the play before that Carr looked like the first year QB he resmbles every Sunday. And, AJ was also open on the play, most experienced QB's would have seen that, Carr never gave a look, locked onto the one target, gonna score, get close, or walk away the same 1-7 team they were before this game started. Carr blows, plain and simple, is he the only problem? Nope. Is he the answer though? ABSOLUTELY not........
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And if Bradford makes that catch. Which he should of suddenly Carr is a hero.

Bradford sucks. Carr did what was needed to win the game today. Bradford blew it.
 
belars44 said:
Spin it how you want, the play before that Carr looked like the first year QB he resmbles every Sunday. And, AJ was also open on the play, most experienced QB's would have seen that, Carr never gave a look, locked onto the one target, gonna score, get close, or walk away the same 1-7 team they were before this game started. Carr blows, plain and simple, is he the only problem? Nope. Is he the answer though? ABSOLUTELY not........
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How in the **** can you blame carr foe a dropped pass. This has to be the stupidest bunch of posters I have ever seen. As a QB you have progressions, and if you look at your first read and hes open for the first down... he gets the ball. Carr doenst have the time to worry about which open guy to throw it to. He made a good decision and the WR did nmot execute.
 
Wow I can't believe these folks. Carr lays it right in Bradfords hands for a huge gain in yardage and still it's Carrs fault. He throws for over 200 yards against a tough Jag defense, doesn't throw an INT and the game is his fault.

No one is going to take you seriously if you keep this Carr bashing, you are now just on your own biased agenda without any regard to facts.
 
BuffSoldier said:
What ever. He played poorly. By whos standard. You must not have been watchong the same game as the rest of us. I dont even like talking to you haters anymore, because yall atre gunna say carr played bad no matter what.
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By a typical NFL quarterback's standards. Leftwich was absolutely horrible and still ended up with numbers as good as Carr's while leading his team to a victory.

This guy is not a rookie anymore and everyone needs to stop treating him like one. He made the same stupid mistakes he always makes and led his team to another loss. That's 12 out of his last 16.
 
Napa Auto Parts said:
yes it was it gave us all the momentum in the game breaking all those tackles for a score it even made david look good and a 7-0 lead but corey cant help it if he gets the ball in double coverage like the last play that Carr totally Blew when the 1st down was wide open.
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Double coverage??? Who cares about double coverage. If all 11 guys are covering Bradford and hes in front of all of them, then he should make the catch. The ball hits your hands, then you bring it in. If Badford had caught the ball then it would have bee. O what a great throw by Carr. He put it right on the money, but we blame him for a drop. WOW.
 
the wonger need food said:
By a typical NFL quarterback's standards. Leftwich was absolutely horrible and still ended up with numbers as good as Carr's while leading his team to a victory.

This guy is not a rookie anymore and everyone needs to stop treating him like one. He made the same stupid mistakes he always makes and led his team to another loss. That's 12 out of his last 16.
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How many times did Leftwitch get sacked. How many times was he pressured. How many throws did he have to make on the run. Watch the game not the play by play stats. IF Carr had the protection or the running game that Leftwitch had then your assement might have a point.
 
LBC_Justin said:
Wonger are you new to the game of football? Or did you not watch the game? Carr played pretty good today, not spectacular but good.. You just must not like the guy, because if you want a change at the QB position todays game gave you no fuel for that fire.
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Am I new to the game of football... hardly.

Carr made the same stupid mistakes he has since he was a rookie. Runs into sacks, fumbles, misses open receivers. etc. Barely over 200 yards and 1 TD is a below-average performance by NFL standards. By Carr apologist standards it's a career day.
 
how is it Carr's fault when Bradford dropped the pass that was laiyed right in his hands. Call me crazy, but he should have caught that ball. Good game Carr. It's a shame there aren't enough playmaker's............. or guys that do their jobs out there to help.
 
You blame Carr for putting the ball in the hands of the reciever??? hmmm ok. How about this, we just don't have play makers. If Carr can't rely on a WR to make a catch, then there is no reason for the WR to be on the field. Should Johnson be sat for not finishing his route a couple of plays earilier?

Whatever.
 
How do we make these "ludicrous accusations?"

We are 1-7.......this is year 4........good leaders (like Carr is claimed to be by so many) find a way to get the W in situations just like ours........that last drop by Bradford was horrible and not Carr's "fault" as it was a nice pass.......but Carr made many more mistakes (YET AGAIN) throughout the game that easily outweigh the positives he might have shown glimpses of.

And you are gonna defend him by saying he made one good pass at the end of the game.....and to the most inconsistent receiver we've had since day 1?
 
Guys, I can't say enough that you guys are the second hardest team to play next to the Colts Good game Texans.
 
belars44 said:
...good leaders (like Carr is claimed to be by so many) find a way to get the W in situations just like ours....
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Really, like Brett Favre for instance?
 
belars44 said:
We are 1-7.......this is year 4........good leaders (like Carr is claimed to be by so many) find a way to get the W in situations just like ours........that last drop by Bradford was horrible and not Carr's "fault" as it was a nice pass.......but Carr made many more mistakes (YET AGAIN) throughout the game that easily outweigh the positives he might have shown glimpses of.
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Took the words out of my mouth.

Can't blame Carr for the last play. But he stills seems to refuse to throw the ball away when he is outside the pocket. I appreciate him trying to make a play, but how many sacks does he have to take hanging onto the ball to realize that throwing it away is not a bad play.
 
belars44 said:
How do we make these "ludicrous accusations?"

We are 1-7.......this is year 4........good leaders (like Carr is claimed to be by so many) find a way to get the W in situations just like ours........that last drop by Bradford was horrible and not Carr's "fault" as it was a nice pass.......but Carr made many more mistakes (YET AGAIN) throughout the game that easily outweigh the positives he might have shown glimpses of.

And you are gonna defend him by saying he made one good pass at the end of the game.....and to the most inconsistent receiver we've had since day 1?
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Yes I will. I will defend him because he made a good decision. This is the NFL. You cant have flawless games. He made mistakes. But he found a way to help his team win, but Badford found a way for them to lose.
 
belars44 said:
How do we make these "ludicrous accusations?"

We are 1-7.......this is year 4........good leaders (like Carr is claimed to be by so many) find a way to get the W in situations just like ours........that last drop by Bradford was horrible and not Carr's "fault" as it was a nice pass.......but Carr made many more mistakes (YET AGAIN) throughout the game that easily outweigh the positives he might have shown glimpses of.

And you are gonna defend him by saying he made one good pass at the end of the game.....and to the most inconsistent receiver we've had since day 1?
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I guess that putting a perfect deep pass right on the numbers in the 4th quarter on 4th and long does not count as leadership? All the qb can do is throw the ball, he cant control whether the wr breaks 4 tackles and scores or drops a catchable pass in clutch time... :brickwall :brickwall
 
V Man said:
Took the words out of my mouth.

Can't blame Carr for the last play. But he stills seems to refuse to throw the ball away when he is outside the pocket. I appreciate him trying to make a play, but how many sacks does he have to take hanging onto the ball to realize that throwing it away is not a bad play.
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Just as long as it will take for us to get an o-line that doesnt force him to throw it away so often.
 
We are 1-7.......this is year 4........

Exactly! Who did what poorly or who made what mistakes is a discussion we shouldn't even be having at this point in the franchise. After 4 years, I don't even like to say anyone played better than they did 5 weeks ago - that shouldn't even matter. Unfortunately, as we seem to be going backwards to pre-first year abilities - mistakes and blame is what we have left. The bottom line is that we shouldn't have lost this game period. It shouldn't have come down to one make or break play. There is enough blame to go around - we don't have to focus on Carr especially since it appears that Carr is going to be with us next year no matter what. Let us just hope that a new coaching staff will make Carr better - forget better - NFL caliber would be nice.
 
he also lead the charge downfield, was perfect throwing the ball in the 3rd quarter and put the team in a position to comeback in the 4th quarter, not much he can do about bradford dropping one. By the way, if bradford is so innconsitent and untrustworthy, why is he out there on 4th down? This is a coaching problem, not a quarterback problem.
 
run-david-run said:
he also lead the charge downfield, was perfect throwing the ball in the 3rd quarter and put the team in a position to comeback in the 4th quarter, not much he can do about bradford dropping one. By the way, if bradford is so innconsitent and untrustworthy, why is he out there on 4th down? This is a coaching problem, not a quarterback problem.
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Thank you so much. What a wonderful post.
 
run-david-run said:
he also lead the charge downfield, was perfect throwing the ball in the 3rd quarter and put the team in a position to comeback in the 4th quarter, not much he can do about bradford dropping one. By the way, if bradford is so innconsitent and untrustworthy, why is he out there on 4th down? This is a coaching problem, not a quarterback problem.
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He led his team to another loss. He has led his team to 4 wins in the last 16 games. That's really the bottom line.
 
BuffSoldier said:
Just as long as it will take for us to get an o-line that doesnt force him to throw it away so often.
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We had 6 sacks today. How many do you blame on the O-line (3). And most of those I would put on the Coaches for putting Wand at LT after Hodgeson injury instead of LG and leaving Pitts where he has had some success lately. Wand has already proven last year and these preseason he can't handle the speed off the end, but he is big and strong enough to handle a DT on the inside.

1st sack goes to Morency pitful blitz pick up.

Other 2, go to Carr. And one of them he even saw the DB coming up. He could have just tossed it away, but he slide ONE yard behind the line, so it counts as a sack.
 
Buffi2 said:
We are 1-7.......this is year 4........

Exactly! Who did what poorly or who made what mistakes is a discussion we shouldn't even be having at this point in the franchise. After 4 years, I don't even like to say anyone played better than they did 5 weeks ago - that shouldn't even matter. Unfortunately, as we seem to be going backwards to pre-first year abilities - mistakes and blame is what we have left. The bottom line is that we shouldn't have lost this game period. It shouldn't have come down to one make or break play. There is enough blame to go around - we don't have to focus on Carr especially since it appears that Carr is going to be with us next year no matter what. Let us just hope that a new coaching staff will make Carr better - forget better - NFL caliber would be nice.
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Good points, couldn't have said it better myself.
 
You guys keep saying that we are doing so much worse than last year.............But if I remember right didn't CC say this past week that maybe we overachieved last year. So we just need to be thankful for last year and go on thinking that this is the team on the rise. Hey CC hwo does this feel.......:tomato: Don't think your getting my season ticket money next year!
 
run-david-run said:
he also lead the charge downfield, was perfect throwing the ball in the 3rd quarter and put the team in a position to comeback in the 4th quarter, not much he can do about bradford dropping one. By the way, if bradford is so innconsitent and untrustworthy, why is he out there on 4th down? This is a coaching problem, not a quarterback problem.
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On there being a coaching problem I certainly agree, and that I am confident will be attenuated over the off-season. Carr is here to stay so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt that a new staff may get him on track.

However, from the progress he has shown over his career here (and what I mean is that ALL you apologists who weren't here years 1 and 2 sound just like those who "had his back" then), the new regime will eventually find someone else to lead this team.........they just need to find someone with leadership ability, and not just someone who grins on the sidelines at home when we look bad.
 
Bottom line, Bradford needs to make that play. Right in his #@%*@*^ hands!
Carr takes, IMO, way too many sacks when he is OUTSIDE the tackle box and can just throw it away. Other than that, he had a good game, not a franschise QB type game-which when your drafted #1 your supposed to be.
 
if you got a wr on the field that you cant pass to in some situations. then its the coaches fault. carr doesnt have time not to throw to an open reciever. as soon as he sees someone open he has to throw it.
 
Bradford cannot make a catch to save his life! Double coverage had nothing to do with the drop! The ball was coming out before he was even touched! Everybody, including it looked like the offensive coordinator, saying that Carr should have thrown to Johnson instead is ridiculous. Why get 10 yards when you can get 30?!?! Bradford is supposed to be a professional receiver, so just catch the damn ball! It was not a difficult catch except for the circumstances to make! Everybody complains that the Texans don't take enough chances downfield and when Carr finally does and makes another perfect throw and hits bradford in the hands again he gets criticized for it!
 
the wonger need food said:
He led his team to another loss. He has led his team to 4 wins in the last 16 games. That's really the bottom line.
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brett farve must be just as sorry.
 
One other thing that irritates the heck out of me! Why is it that when Carr yells at teammates and spikes the ball he is being immature but when Peyton Manning does the EXACT samething he is called competitive?!?!
 
SESupergenius said:
Wow I can't believe these folks. Carr lays it right in Bradfords hands for a huge gain in yardage and still it's Carrs fault. He throws for over 200 yards against a tough Jag defense, doesn't throw an INT and the game is his fault.

No one is going to take you seriously if you keep this Carr bashing, you are now just on your own biased agenda without any regard to facts.
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I noticed that a long time ago.
 
Bradford had a decent game going until the end, he was actually playing like he wanted a contract next year, but then the law of averages kicked in and he dropped that last one. Carr took a couple sacks he should have thrown away today but otherwise I think he had a good day.

the wonger need food said:
Carr made the same stupid mistakes he has since he was a rookie. Runs into sacks, fumbles, misses open receivers. etc. Barely over 200 yards and 1 TD is a below-average performance by NFL standards. By Carr apologist standards it's a career day.
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I agree that Carr took a couple sacks today and fumbled too much, although a couple of those were the OLine's fault for giving him no protection. I don't know how many open receivers he missed. As for the 200 yards being below-average, 200 yards a game over the course of the season = 3200 yards for the season, which only 14 QBs had last year, including DC, so I wouldn't say 200 yards per game is "below average", although I certainly would like to see more out of them. I put much of the blame on the passing game on the OC. While I think Pendry is doing much better than Palmer, they still are not putting Carr in a position where he can put up stellar passing numbers. On a positive note, it was good to see Andre out there today and see them throw to him for something other than a 1 yard hitch route like they kept doing in the first two games with Palmer. Let's hope with Mathis and Davis returning next week that the offense will continue to look better and get something positive out of the end of the year.
 
the wonger need food said:
He led his team to another loss. He has led his team to 4 wins in the last 16 games. That's really the bottom line.
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If you are not new to the game of football, why haven't you noticed that football is a team sport and David isn't alone out there with a tennis racket?
 
When Jacksonville was driving down the field earlier in the 4th quarter they threw a pass down the sideline that i believe went to smith and he only got one foot in bounds and his shoulder landed out of bounds and it looked more like his momentum that our guy touching that made him land out of bounds! It happened on the play right before the BS call on Seth Payne.:challenge :challenge
 
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BTW that Defensive Holding call on Payne was total BS and cost us that game as much as Bradford's inability to make a play when it counts.
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I agree, that defensive holding seemed like BS but they refused to show it again so I'll have to check it on tape in a couple days.
 
kenneth24 said:
When Jacksonville was driving down the field earlier in the 4th quarter they threw a pass down the sideline that i believe went to smith and he only got one foot in bounds and his shoulder landed out of bounds and it looked more like his momentum that our guy touching that made him land out of bounds! It happened on the play right before the BS call on Seth Payne.:challenge :challenge
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Smith's knee came down in bounds too so that was a good catch, and Bradford dropped that ball before he came down, the replay they showed afterward clearly showed that. Not sure why we didn't throw to Andre although I can't overly fault Carr for throwing a great ball to Bradford that should have been caught. Let's hope Mathis will be back next week so Bradford won't have to be in the game even on four-WR sets. Good to see Andre back and making an impact.
 
the wonger needs glasses said:
He led his team to another loss. He has led his team to 4 wins in the last 16 games. That's really the bottom line.
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Gee thanks, Wonger. I'll bet Seth Wand, Corey Bradford, Jason Babin, Buchanon, McKinney, and other underperforming players really appreciate you leaving them out of the blame.

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Even though Carr passed up the the % pass to AJ (especially under the circumstances), bottom line is he was a playmaker and Bradford wasn't.
And what a pass ! Dang, Bradford should have had that - this is the NFL right !
Another crucial play appears to be the injury to Hodgdon which took him out of the game and resulted in Wand instead of Pitts at LT.
And it sure was great to have AJ back on the field ! Finally puts some teeth
in the offense again.
 
If Hodgdon can walk, he needs to be in the game! He's better than McKinney at center, but McKinney makes a pretty good guard and puts Pitts out at tackle where he is decent if he's not committing a penalty! Biggest thing is that it gets Wand out of the game. I guess I shouldn't hurt Wands feelings so i'll blame the coaches, WAND SHOULD NEVER STEP ON THE FIELD. If i hear one more time that they like his footwork and he has quick feet im gonna throw up! Dude is SLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWW!!
 
kenneth24 said:
If Hodgdon can walk, he needs to be in the game!
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That's the problem...ankle injury I believe. It's hard to believe when your Center(s) get injured you move your LT to G. This is probably the only team in the NFL that would do this. I'm not comparing Chester Pitts to Orlando Pace but can you see the Rams move Pace to G if their centers go down? oye.
 
HoneymoonIsOver said:
Casserley saying we overachieved last year....haha...how dare he say something like that. Fact is he said last year before the season that Playoffs were the goal. They didnt reach the goal. Thus they DIDNT OVERACHIEVE. Casserley is just grasping at air at this point. His fall is imminent.

Doug from the Woodlands
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Looks like Doug from the Woodlands doesn't really know what the word OVERACHIEVE means. Casserly did not predict playoffs last year. Casserly did not expect playoffs last year. He said that the playoffs were the goal, but so what? What team does not have that goal?

Casserly is correct. They DID overacheive last year. They were a 4-12 team that actually went 7-9.
 
well even though pitts is best at guard you sacrifice putting mckinney back at center where he is his worst with cruddy line calls and moving up to the 2nd level (and he isnt that great at guard either).

shows how versatile our line is....
 
nunusguy said:
Even though Carr passed up the the % pass to AJ (especially under the circumstances), bottom line is he was a playmaker and Bradford wasn't.
And what a pass ! Dang, Bradford should have had that - this is the NFL right !
Another crucial play appears to be the injury to Hodgdon which took him out of the game and resulted in Wand instead of Pitts at LT.
And it sure was great to have AJ back on the field ! Finally puts some teeth
in the offense again.
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A quick look at stats shows that we had a fairly even split in yardage gained between the 2 halves. The Texans as a team handled the line shake-up pretty well.


I'll be interested to see a more detailed offensive break down if someone does the exercise this week.

Wand would be better with more PT. This is his first real play this season; a couple of mistakes should be expected (and corrected). He played fairly solid with the exception of those two plays in the final drive - and after them he was mauling his DE the final 6 plays. He must of gotten PO'd. Remember Pitts lined up illegally twice in the first series he moved to tackle - mistakes happen when you change position/start playing.
 
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