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S.Cody injured
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drs23
Veteran
Source Gary Kubiak: Cody had an epidural and will be evaluated.
The Pencil Neck
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This could open the door for Fangupo and that Sonny Whatever-his-last-name-is to make the team.
drs23
Veteran
Yeah, in the presser Kubiak seemed to be looking forward to getting Sunny (whoever) back tomorrow.
painekiller
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That would be Ra'Shon Harris, also known as Sonny/Sunny. He was having a very nice camp before he was injured. He was moved from DE to NT this season and he can play both positions giving the team flexibility. A nice rotational guy.
Not taking anything away from Shaun here and he did make his own contribution to last years outstanding Texans' defense, but I'd still say he's the least indispensable starting player on the whole defense. But I for sure hope he still recovers soon and gets back on the field.
TimeKiller
Guest
Yeah but it's also at arguably the weakest position on the team....NT. Cody might not be all-pro but he tugs his section of the rope.
pissknocker
Waterboy
Why do people undervalue Cody. What he does is not glamorous on paper but I've watched him do HIS job which is plug up the hole. Guess what he does it very well, he does not get a lot of tackles he will never be ngata but that is ok. He is doing what is expected of him. I think we will see a drop off when some guy trying to make the team does too much and does not contain.
Yankee_In_TX
Dance Lindsay!
The fact that we're rarely cussing about him on here means he does his job well. Fingers crossed on this injury.
Texan_Bill
Hall of Fame
Wait... What? Cromartie is knocking up Texans players now??
Yep and yup. For the most part, NT is not a glamor position. Especially with the wealth we have at DE and LB on this team. However, if the NT does not do his job, the whole D is screwed. Hopefully Cody is ok, but keep in mind Mitchell looked solid last year.
I dont , he was probably the most consistent player on the DL last season - Not the best but the most consistent.
BTW , his job is not "plug a hole" in this version of the 3-4. He's asked to penetrate and shoot gaps vs both the run and pass. Wade's is a one gap system not a two gap which would be what you describe.
Yes , he does his job well ... If he misses significant time , one of the other guy's will really need to step up their game.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
McClain reports that they don't expect for Cody to miss the first regular season game.
The most likely is that he has suffered an acute lumbar disk herniation or a lumbar muscle strain. The epidural (which usually includes a steroid and local anesthetic) is to decrease the inflammation and swelling around the involved nerve roots or the muscles, and therefore decrease the pain. It does NOT treat a bulging disk. It does not cause a bulging disk to decrease in size. It is meant to allow rehab and, in the case of a disk problem, the hope to avoid surgery. Decreasing the pain does not ensure that he will do well with rehab, nor does it ensure that he will avoid surgery. We don't know what the MRI showed. Anyone who has ever suffered a low back disk herniation or to a lesser degree in the case of a lumbar muscle strain, knows how unpredictable its rehab can be, and how easily it can be re-injured. Unless, this is a lumbar muscle strain or a very minor disk, I cannot see how the Texans can predict date of return for the first regular season game. If this injury by any chance involves a lumbar compression fracture, all bets are off.
Here is a recent piece (presented at the American Orthopaedic Society for Sports Medicine February 2012) that will give you something to hang your hat on, as relates to lumbar disk herniation
Epidural steroid injection returns most professional football players to the field
EDIT: lumbar muscle strains can also be accompanied by lumbar sprain (vertebral ligament damage)
The most likely is that he has suffered an acute lumbar disk herniation or a lumbar muscle strain. The epidural (which usually includes a steroid and local anesthetic) is to decrease the inflammation and swelling around the involved nerve roots or the muscles, and therefore decrease the pain. It does NOT treat a bulging disk. It does not cause a bulging disk to decrease in size. It is meant to allow rehab and, in the case of a disk problem, the hope to avoid surgery. Decreasing the pain does not ensure that he will do well with rehab, nor does it ensure that he will avoid surgery. We don't know what the MRI showed. Anyone who has ever suffered a low back disk herniation or to a lesser degree in the case of a lumbar muscle strain, knows how unpredictable its rehab can be, and how easily it can be re-injured. Unless, this is a lumbar muscle strain or a very minor disk, I cannot see how the Texans can predict date of return for the first regular season game. If this injury by any chance involves a lumbar compression fracture, all bets are off.
Here is a recent piece (presented at the American Orthopaedic Society for Sports Medicine February 2012) that will give you something to hang your hat on, as relates to lumbar disk herniation
Epidural steroid injection returns most professional football players to the field
EDIT: lumbar muscle strains can also be accompanied by lumbar sprain (vertebral ligament damage)
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
The lumbar muscle strain scenario which I mentioned above was essentially the only injury that I felt consideration for return near the beginning of the season would possibly fit..........and then it would not be a given. It turns out that this is indeed the actual diagnosis.......not a disk as initially reported. That, at least, is some better news than expected.
Texans Cody likely to miss Saturdays game with lower back strain
Posted on August 13, 2012 at 3:18 pm by John McClain
Texans Cody likely to miss Saturdays game with lower back strain
Posted on August 13, 2012 at 3:18 pm by John McClain
CloakNNNdagger
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As a second back injection has been reported administered to Cody at the beginning of the week(a little over a week following his 1st) , the NFL study I quoted earlier in this thread (post #14)possibly becomes more interesting. Most physicians would space the injection closer to 2 weeks. For resistant cases, a 3rd injection could be again administered 2 weeks later. Most surgeons would not entertain any more than 3 in a 6 month span. Others consider that no more than 3 should be administered in a 1 year period.
Going back to the study, of the 17 NFL players, a total of 37 injections for 27 distinct lumbar disc herniation episodes were administered. The success rate of returning an athlete to play for a given episode of disc herniation was 89% (24 of 27 episodes) with an average loss of 2.8 practices (range = 0-12) and 0.6 games (range = 0-2) after the injection. Only four players required a repeat injection for the same episode. Three of these four players ultimately failed conservative management and required surgical intervention.
Whether Cody received his 2nd injection with the Texans attempting to facilitate his recovery vs. to “hurry” his recovery and return to play vs. because his recovery is not progressing as expected, would have to be a matter of speculation at this time. The latter 2 scenarios would not be positive. I hope we are dealing with the first scenario so that Cody doesn’t have to end up dealing with an early recurrent episode, or worse yet, consideration for surgery.
Going back to the study, of the 17 NFL players, a total of 37 injections for 27 distinct lumbar disc herniation episodes were administered. The success rate of returning an athlete to play for a given episode of disc herniation was 89% (24 of 27 episodes) with an average loss of 2.8 practices (range = 0-12) and 0.6 games (range = 0-2) after the injection. Only four players required a repeat injection for the same episode. Three of these four players ultimately failed conservative management and required surgical intervention.
Whether Cody received his 2nd injection with the Texans attempting to facilitate his recovery vs. to “hurry” his recovery and return to play vs. because his recovery is not progressing as expected, would have to be a matter of speculation at this time. The latter 2 scenarios would not be positive. I hope we are dealing with the first scenario so that Cody doesn’t have to end up dealing with an early recurrent episode, or worse yet, consideration for surgery.
False Start
On # 69
I really hope he gets back soon, and Mitchell, and Fangupo can do the job good enough while he's out.
TejasTom
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Unintentional pun
drs23
Veteran
It is. Remember when Wade said Cody would do fine in his system and people still wanted a monster in the middle? Wade got it right again.
The Pencil Neck
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Vinnie
with an I E
And Bradie James.
welsh texan
You may say I’m a dreamer but I’m not the only one
I've got to disagree here I'm afraid, Cody does his bit and there isn't a heck of a lot of experience behind him. If Cody is likely to miss significant time, I wouldn't be surprised to see us look to the waiver wire rather than slotting one of our rookies into a starters role.
Edit; Obviously i'm forgetting about Mitchell there but i'm unsure how much trust Wade has in him.
CloakNNNdagger
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kiwitexansfan
Hall of Fame
I think we'll be looking to address DT in the offseason.
Brisco_County
Apples and roadmaps
This is the question I posted in the thread about the 2013 roster:
Doesn't a discectomy mean they removed the disc, which means they have to fuse the two vertebrae? That's quite a hindurance on a guy who has to start with his hand down and explode upward.
Doesn't a discectomy mean they removed the disc, which means they have to fuse the two vertebrae? That's quite a hindurance on a guy who has to start with his hand down and explode upward.
The Texans better address DT in the draft. Cody's a FA this year, I think, but may end up a cap casualty. Don't think they have enough $$ for another FA. I was hoping last year they would get Mike Martin in the draft but they passed. There are some good DT's (NT's) in this draft but they'll probably be gone after the 2nd round.
CloakNNNdagger
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The procedure is usually referred to as microdiscectomy. Its not usually a removal of the entire disc. When a disc is bulging, it competes with the same space that the nerve at that level is coming out from the spinal cord. Therefore, it places abnormal pressure on that nerve, leading to the involved pain symptoms. If the bulging cannot be lessened with injections such as with steroids to decrease the inflammatory swelling/bulging, then microdiscectomy is many times the next step. This procedure involves just the removal of that part of the disc (through a 1 cm incision, which makes it "minimally invasive") that is competing for the outlet space [See figure below], in hopes that major open surgery can possibly be avoided. Just the offending "part" of the disc can be removed, because the inner disc is not composed of liquid as most people believe, more like a thick Jello which can to some extent be sculpted.
In determining why to have a microdiscectomy, its going to be most successful in those patients who have what we call radicular pain or radiculopathy. And thats pain that radiates from the buttocks or hip down below the knee, frequently into the lower leg and even more frequently into some portion of the foot. Under those circumstances, patients should have a very good response from a discectomy. If the primary complaint is back pain along with some leg pain, you might commonly find with the microdiscectomy that the leg gets better, but the back not necessarily.
Cody, except for the 4th week (and dont ask me how he avoided making it a clean run) was on the Injury Report for back. He was far from effective last year. The longer a peripheral nerve is allowed to be under pressure, the harder and less predictable the rehab. Pre-decompression sensory changes such as numbness (or even pain) and motor weakness may not resolve quickly or at all. But if back pain was his main symptom, it also tells me that ultimate major back surgery sometime in the not far future would not be all that far-fetched.
CloakNNNdagger
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A 2010 study including 23 NFL players (1986-2008) revealed that 74% returned to NFL play for an average of 36 games over a 4 year period. There was no significant change in performance when comparing pre-injury and post-injury statistics. It should be noted that these players were all skill players (quarterbacks, running backs, wide receivers, and tight ends)......no linemen . It should also be noted that microdiscectomy was not developed until 1997. Other studies including only the micro technique, but involving different sports at all levels have shown return to play as high as 85%. Chronic delay of the decompression of the nerve’s involved, and initial presentation with and continued “back” symptoms would be the greatest risk factor for those that did not return or had significant incomplete recovery. These same factors may also make the traditional open technique favored.
A review of the literature reveals that return to play for those who can will be around 5-6 months. This is quicker that the traditional technique, since the traditional larger incision route cuts through muscle groups that tend to be well-developed in NFL athletes. It’s also interesting to note that players treated surgically played in more games post-treatment than did those treated nonoperatively with injection and rehab. Remember, an important part of the conservative approach to an established bulging lumbar disc is adequate rest from play......something that Cody didn’t apparently have except for maybe a period of 3 games weeks 10-13 (throughout which time he still participated in practices).
Keep in mind that the most common problem of a discectomy beside persisten back pain or significant neurologic deficits (sensory and muscle weakness) is that there is a chance that another fragment of disc will herniate and cause similar symptoms down the road. This is a so-called recurrent disc herniation, and the risk of this occurring is about 10-15%.
A review of the literature reveals that return to play for those who can will be around 5-6 months. This is quicker that the traditional technique, since the traditional larger incision route cuts through muscle groups that tend to be well-developed in NFL athletes. It’s also interesting to note that players treated surgically played in more games post-treatment than did those treated nonoperatively with injection and rehab. Remember, an important part of the conservative approach to an established bulging lumbar disc is adequate rest from play......something that Cody didn’t apparently have except for maybe a period of 3 games weeks 10-13 (throughout which time he still participated in practices).
Keep in mind that the most common problem of a discectomy beside persisten back pain or significant neurologic deficits (sensory and muscle weakness) is that there is a chance that another fragment of disc will herniate and cause similar symptoms down the road. This is a so-called recurrent disc herniation, and the risk of this occurring is about 10-15%.
Brisco_County
Apples and roadmaps
On one hand, he may have affected the nerves by postponing surgery. On the other, athletes at other positions have successfully returned to their expected performance standards. That would've left a GM with a risk assessment of 50/50 if not for these concerns: 1) There apparently is no data for linemen, which is a special consideration since they launch from a three-point stance. 2) Recovery will restrict his lower body strength training for most of the offseason, and he will not be in the necessary condition by preseason.
So with Wade Phillips already advising that the position could be improved through the draft, I am not optimistic that Cody remains on the roster. I think he still has a career, just not with the Texans.
Seems like Cody is about done.
It's time to bring in Casey Hampton.
You could use the $$$$ saved by cutting A.Smith and Cody to bring Hampton home. Plus have some $$$$ left over to sign a vet WR with speed. Denario Alexander type.
Then draft Short in the 1st rd if available. DL of Watt/Hampton and Short should be able to be stout against the run and really help with the pass rush.
Passing downs with Short/Watt inside and Mercilus/Barwin or Crick (both of whom I expect to see great improvement frm their rookie yrs) with Cushing in the middle = Much improved overall pass rush and defense.
Short reminds me of a young Wilfork. All 300 + men take plays off. They have too. So yes Shorts motor runs hot and cold.
It's time to bring in Casey Hampton.
You could use the $$$$ saved by cutting A.Smith and Cody to bring Hampton home. Plus have some $$$$ left over to sign a vet WR with speed. Denario Alexander type.
Then draft Short in the 1st rd if available. DL of Watt/Hampton and Short should be able to be stout against the run and really help with the pass rush.
Passing downs with Short/Watt inside and Mercilus/Barwin or Crick (both of whom I expect to see great improvement frm their rookie yrs) with Cushing in the middle = Much improved overall pass rush and defense.
Short reminds me of a young Wilfork. All 300 + men take plays off. They have too. So yes Shorts motor runs hot and cold.
He's 35 years old.
And played very well last yr as a 2 down run stopper. Which is exactly what this defense needs. I also would buy some time to get some experience for whoever the Texans draft at NT next yr.
While still being productive Hampton could help mentor the young guys. The only reason the Steelers are letting guys like Wallace,Hampton etc... walk is their terrible cap situation.
srrono
All Pro
This is a write up about FA DT Desmond Bryant (OAK)from a NE Blogger but I like what he has to say about Desmond Bryant could be an answer for HOU as well.
Link to Blog
Don't be surprised if Anthony Spencer joins the Texans next year.