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Training Camp Live: AJ left practice
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TexansBull
Hall of Fame
Hardcore Texan
Magnet Man
DAMN!!!!!! 
jaayteetx
All Pro
my sentiments exactly
Hardcore Texan
Magnet Man
Hopefully he'll be fine. At least it's not his hammy I guess.
False Start
On # 69
MannyFresh
El Capitan
Can we swallow our pride and forget about "character talk" and make a business decision and get Plaxico at least for the season?
Heath Shuler
SPEED KILLS
Porky
Hall of Fame
When are we going to talk about the elephant in the living room? This is no longer a "freak" accident thing. The guy's got MAJOR issues with hamstrings, groins, and other tendons, and has for 2-3 years and it's only going to get worse with age. It's only a matter of time before he goes down again. If he plays 16 games this year, I'll eat my shorts.
Is it time to propose the "Hakeem" rule? Get what you can for him while his trade value remains high. I HATE the idea too, so don't throw maters but at what point do we cut our losses and move on. The guy is a walking injury waiting to happen and he doesn't help the team standing on the sideline with a towel over his head.
Is it time to propose the "Hakeem" rule? Get what you can for him while his trade value remains high. I HATE the idea too, so don't throw maters but at what point do we cut our losses and move on. The guy is a walking injury waiting to happen and he doesn't help the team standing on the sideline with a towel over his head.
TexansFanatic
Extremist
I hate to agree, but I do. The dude is on the wrong side of 30 and while he's still an amazing player when he's 100%, he's not 100% very often any more.
I sure hope those young WRs pan out.
Imatexanfan
Hall of Fame
I agree 100% the fact every little thing he does now he gets injured makes me sick to my stomach. AJ is not going to be able to play the full 16 games this season and then postseason as well if he is already having problems.
We seriously need to address this situation before it gets worse.
We seriously need to address this situation before it gets worse.
Goldensilence
hipster elite
While I don't think it's time for a panic alert this should be a genuine concern for the coaching staff.
We're a snap away from our WR corps looking like this:
A #2 who hasn't been an effective #2 in several years now in KW
2 rookies with mixed OTAs and Mini camp results. I have heard Martin has done well, while Posey struggled.
A second year UDFA coming of a IR year in Lestar Jean.
Bryant Johnson.
We're a snap away from our WR corps looking like this:
A #2 who hasn't been an effective #2 in several years now in KW
2 rookies with mixed OTAs and Mini camp results. I have heard Martin has done well, while Posey struggled.
A second year UDFA coming of a IR year in Lestar Jean.
Bryant Johnson.
drunkcookie
2 drunk 2 cook
When are we going to talk about the elephant in the living room? This is no longer a "freak" accident thing. The guy's got MAJOR issues with hamstrings, groins, and other tendons, and has for 2-3 years and it's only going to get worse with age. It's only a matter of time before he goes down again. If he plays 16 games this year, I'll eat my shorts.
Is it time to propose the "Hakeem" rule? Get what you can for him while his trade value remains high. I HATE the idea too, so don't throw maters but at what point do we cut our losses and move on. The guy is a walking injury waiting to happen and he doesn't help the team standing on the sideline with a towel over his head.
For sure a warranted opinion
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
When are we going to talk about the elephant in the living room? This is no longer a "freak" accident thing. The guy's got MAJOR issues with hamstrings, groins, and other tendons, and has for 2-3 years and it's only going to get worse with age. It's only a matter of time before he goes down again. If he plays 16 games this year, I'll eat my shorts.
Is it time to propose the "Hakeem" rule? Get what you can for him while his trade value remains high. I HATE the idea too, so don't throw maters but at what point do we cut our losses and move on. The guy is a walking injury waiting to happen and he doesn't help the team standing on the sideline with a towel over his head.
Valid concern but I would wait to see how the rest of the season plays out before going nuclear with a Hakeem like trade (Stevie Fanchise and Cuttino Mobley...is that all we got?)
He had hamsting issues last year 2011. The year before 2010 it was his ankle. 2007 it was an MCL/PCL. 2005 it was his calf or knee.
I think he has had a bad string of years. He does have 2-3 year shelf life in high level production. But the team as a whole has the same shelf life before losing key players because of contract extensions, free agency and age.
I say just wait because this injury seems to be more minor than anything.
MEGA SWATT
All Pro
Plaxico. Good day.
BullBlitz
Section 331
2 days? Even I thought he'd make it a little longer than that. But I never bought the reports that he was ready to play, because with those injuries you don't know until you go full speed.
Hey Rick, how many more muscle and tendon injuries from Andre do we need to see before you start taking this seriously?
What exactly is the "Hakeem Rule"? The Rockets wanted Olajuwon to retire, and traded him as a courtesy to Hakeem.
I said months ago that we need to sign a vet who can actually make plays on the field. These Bryant Johnson type signings don't accomplish that. The reality is AJ is most likely going to miss some regular season games and the team is going to count on KW being our best wideout again? I've gained confidence in the front office the past few years, but this is one area where their stubbornness is getting the best of them. Bite the bullet and get a real, quality wideout in here. There are 3 guys who come to mind immediately. Any one of those guys i'll be happy with.
Doppelganger
None
Braylon Edwards
Patrick Crayton
Mark Clayton
Plaxico Burress
Not a lot of good FA options out there. I could consider Clayton. Edwards was injured last year. Crayton was iffy. Burress is solely a red zone target at this point.
Patrick Crayton
Mark Clayton
Plaxico Burress
Not a lot of good FA options out there. I could consider Clayton. Edwards was injured last year. Crayton was iffy. Burress is solely a red zone target at this point.
Houston_Fanatic
Maximum
I keep having this sinking feeling the AJ era is over....... and this does not help.
I hope I am wrong and just over-reacting.
I hope I am wrong and just over-reacting.
I don't know if you're wrong. But, I do know you are overreacting. It's just a slight groin pull that Johnson probably would have played through, had it been a regular season game.
drunkcookie
2 drunk 2 cook
You're right: it is just a groin! Almost every player experiences this at some point and even multiple times, but are able to perform fine.. but seeing who it is and how many problems they've had with their legs the past couple of seasons it's not a complete overreaction...we'll see...
ATRAIN
ATX TEXANS FAN
I dont think AJ will miss any games but that being said. Doesnt the guy train during the off season. I hope this opens up the front office's eyes to our need for a good vet that will get the job done in case AJ isnt ready. Does anyone know how our rooks are progressing? What is the WR depth chart look like so far? KW is still our number 2 so far right?
Texans_Chick
Utopian Dreamer
Yeah, Kubiak didn't seem overly alarmed, and if it was really really bad, he wouldn't have likely stood with teammates for the rest of practice.
They are being super careful with him. As you would want.
Before that, he looked very AJ.
The way I'm thinking about this year is system offense. If you have AJ it is gravy and all is well in the world. They just need to learn up the youngins fast.
Schaub doesn't do the indoor turf practices. Walter gathered the young receivers after practice and took them outside to be with Schaub after the closed part of the practice.
I think a system offense can work in certain situations where you have sub-par receivers but it doesn't happen often. The Patriots were able to win for years without a truly great wideout. Troy Brown and Branch were probably their best receivers during their championship era, but they also have a top 5 all time QB.
drunkcookie
2 drunk 2 cook
Sorry if I've missed it, but do you know how long they plan to keep it that way? Obviously there is a concern with the turf and his foot, just wondering about a time-frame or any other comments you have on that...
It might be too early to make assessments on the WRs not named Andre Johnson and Kevin Walter. At least after two abbreviated practices. Let's wait until they've had 3 or even 4 practices.
drunkcookie
2 drunk 2 cook
Have heard Martin has made a good impression...
Thorn
Dirty Old Man
I don't think it's an over reaction at all to be worried about the health of AJ and/or Schaub. They are major concerns. The QB and WR positions on our team are tenuous and the slightest little thing going wrong makes both positions a major cause of concern.
We are in very good shape in the RB position, pretty good at TE, probably OK on the line, but the QB and WR positions can go from good to disastrous at the drop of a hat.
We are in very good shape in the RB position, pretty good at TE, probably OK on the line, but the QB and WR positions can go from good to disastrous at the drop of a hat.
rush2112mn
Rookie
Yeah....and Brian Cushing had to be streched out during practice too......with a trainer.......wonder if he was cramping?
rush2112mn
Rookie
They should have a "perimeter" around Schaub......if you get within 5 feet a alarm goes off...."Back off now".....lol
drunkcookie
2 drunk 2 cook
let's make it five "yards"! If Schaub's under center, defense lines up four yards off ball...
Texans_Chick
Utopian Dreamer
They don't a lot of the vets on the turf who have had injury histories--like Schaub, Daniels, Barwin. They give extra work to young guys. Mercilus is benefiting from this, for example. They don't do that much work inside anyways. Most done outdoors. Basically, if a guy knows his job, they don't want him inside on the turf.
Texans_Chick
Utopian Dreamer
HOUSTON -- Houston Texans receiver Andre Johnson left Sunday morning's practice with a pulled groin muscle, but coach Gary Kubiak says the injury doesn't appear significant.
Johnson missed nine games last season with hamstring injuries and was sidelined from the first organized team activities in the spring after arthroscopic surgery on his left knee. The five-time Pro Bowl selection started Sunday morning's practice and pulled up during a one-on-one drill.
"We don't think it's anything significant," Kubiak said. "Obviously, Andre's worked so dang hard to get back and get back on the field full speed, so it's disappointing. But I don't think we're staring at anything significant."
"We'll be smart with him," Kubiak said. "We want him out here as quickly as possible. I'm not too concerned, from what I'm hearing."
http://espn.go.com/nfl/trainingcamp...ans-andre-johnson-hurts-groin-leaves-practice
ESPN already all over this story. Will it move the odds in Vegas ?
Johnson missed nine games last season with hamstring injuries and was sidelined from the first organized team activities in the spring after arthroscopic surgery on his left knee. The five-time Pro Bowl selection started Sunday morning's practice and pulled up during a one-on-one drill.
"We don't think it's anything significant," Kubiak said. "Obviously, Andre's worked so dang hard to get back and get back on the field full speed, so it's disappointing. But I don't think we're staring at anything significant."
"We'll be smart with him," Kubiak said. "We want him out here as quickly as possible. I'm not too concerned, from what I'm hearing."
http://espn.go.com/nfl/trainingcamp...ans-andre-johnson-hurts-groin-leaves-practice
ESPN already all over this story. Will it move the odds in Vegas ?
NitroGSXR
Super Sic #58
Kubiak is never alarmed. He issues the same gol-durn statement every time. Always with an unknown return timetable as well.
Oh yeah, don't forget the Texans mishandling the Tate injury two years ago.
Texan4life Obviously you and I just don't see the big picture. KDub & the rookie receivers will do fine.
I see the big picture perfectly. This is the NFL and right now we're only focused on this season. In the NFL there aren't many times where rookies step in and produce at receiver right away. It usually takes them a year or 2 to acclimate to the league. There is nothing to suggest that any of the young guys will be "just fine".
Now going to Kevin Walter there is a reason that he took a pay cut this year. While he still has relaible hands the guy can't beat man coverage anymore. If Andre is out for a significant time, Kevin Walter will be far and away the worst number 1 receiver on any team in the league. We can all sit here and say "oh these guys are gonna be great". But as of right now its false optomism and we don't have anything to base it on. I "hope" they will step up, but the FO is taking a huge risk in the hope.
K
kingh99
Guest
It's like watching Yao Ming (not) come back.
Sure we can.
I'm saying obviously you and I are missing something. No one is looking for anyone (other than the rookies) to beat out Kevin Walter. That should have been painfully obvious when they resigned Bryant Johnson, who couldn't take playing time from Jacoby. The Texans don't even expect KDub to step up when Aj is out. They expected Jacoby Jones to fill that role, they expect one of the rookies to fill that role.
Maybe if we were allowed at OTAs, or if we were there at TC, sitting in on team meetings. Maybe then we'd feel as confident as the Texans do.
FYI, just heard on NFLN that they'll hold AJ out of practice for the next few days, simply as a precautionary measure.
chicagotexan2
Easterby = Little Finger/Cal = Fredo Corleone
I'd looks at Edwards. People the ny jets don't care about character and they dropped plaxico because he showed nothing. I wish the steelers would trade Tate for Wallace. I mean Wallace for Tate.
PapaL
Loose Screw
What's that say about Edwards? They dropped him to get Plax! And then SF dropped Edwards mid season...at a position of need.
Neither are gonna set the world on fire.