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WRs who might be in the 2013 Draft

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76Texan

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Let me go ahead and create a separate thread for this position.

Wolf6151 said:
Let's start a list of players to watch in 2013. Make a list of players by position that you think will be great or that you think are currently underrated and by position as you think they will apply to Texans needs.
Example, I think WR will be a big need again regardless of what we did in this years draft and I think it will be a 1st or 2nd round pick. The guys I like at WR are:
WR:
Justin Hunter, DaRick Rogers, Cobi Hamilton, Marquess Wilson, and Ryan Swope, Terrance Williams but they both might have QB issues this year.


Let's see some of the guys you'll be keeping an eye on.
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I'm gonna move my posts regarding the WRs over to this thread as well,
I think it will be easier to keep track of the players.
 
I think Baylor has more than just Terrance Williams; the other two guys look pretty good, too. (Lanear Thompson and Tevin Reese - Reese is an underclassman and may stay in school unless he has a monster year.)

Mark your calendar for Elon's Aaron Mellette.
They have only 2 games on TV (UNC - ACC Network and another game on ESPN3). This guy looks pretty good on the videos I've found so far.
His production is outstanding. Will probably go in the first 3 rounds, maybe on day 1.

Clemson's Sam Watkins might come out early. Remember his name.

Watch W. Virginia for the QB Geno Smith, but also for their 2 WRs Bailey and Austin; they are small but they are both playmakers.
It will be interesting to see how they do in the Big 12 this year.

There are a few more that I want to keep an eye on but I don't have enough info on them yet.
 
When you watch USC next year for Barkley, the QB, you will have to watch his receivers.
Robert Woods will be a Jr, and he might come out early as a good route runner and an overall guy who gets the job done.

But you will also have to look at Marqise Lee, who will be a Sophomore.
This guy alreay made a lot of big plays as a Freshman. If he continues his growth, there's a good chance that he'll declare.

Depending on how some of the younger guys perform, the next receiver draft might rival this last one in term of depth or in term of relative quality.
 
Then there's Keenan Allen (California) who appeared to be better than Marvin Jones (Bengals 5th round pick).
Some scouting sites had him in the first round, others in the second.

And the other guy besides Nick Toon whom Wilson threw the ball to:
Jared Abbrederis. He actually had a better ypc than Toon.
He caught my attention while I was scouting Nick Toon.
I saw 2nd and 3rd round grade on him from various sites.
 
A little-known prospect is a receiver from Marshall: Aaron Dobson.

There was very little game tape on Marshall football as we know it.


Here's some tidbids I've learned about Dobson:


6'2 - 205
4.49 speed per NFL Draftscout.

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=92694&draftyear=2013&genpos=WR

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Production:

2011: 49 catches - 668 yards - 12 TDs
He was playing with a Freshman QB

2010:
44 catches - 689 yards - 5 TDs
He led the teams in these categories as a Sophmore

2009:
15 - 362 - 4 as a Freshman
(24.13 ypc)


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July 9, 2012
HUNTINGTON, W.Va.-Marshall's Aaron Dobson has been selected to the 2012 College Football Performance Awards (CFPA) Wide Receiver Watch List.

http://www.herdzone.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/070912aaf.html

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Catch vs S. Miss.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jeMfvA9pZU

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TD vs Miami Ohio on a post route vs Cover 1/3

http://espn.go.com/ncf/video?gameId=312600195

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Aaron Dobson 29 Yd Pass From Rakeem Cato vs Vtech

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AN9dbKjREZEAaron

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The catch vs ECU:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCdFFFAxLz0&feature=results_video&playnext=1&list=PLF157890311C08D3C

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vs FIU Beef O Brady Bowl
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0AhUAgSqy-U

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2011 Highlights:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spj4V4NvvLc&feature=related
 
What do you think of Quinton Patton-WR from Louisiana Tech? He seems to have good size and very good productivity last season.
 
Wolf6151 said:
What do you think of Quinton Patton-WR from Louisiana Tech? He seems to have good size and very good productivity last season.
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Since you're already on him, can you do a recap similar to what I did for Dobson?

Here are what I can pull up on him:


This highlight tape from 2010 should be taken with a grain of salt since it was in Community College; there are certain good traits that can be seen here, nonetheless.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMI2V_cBHoY

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The rest are better samples:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxBvWx3z3UI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=9SoSrRGKIp0&NR=1



Central Ark
Forget about this game; Central Arkansas is a bad defense in the minor league FCS

vs houston

http://espn.go.com/ncf/video?gameId=312602348

vs Miss St
http://espn.go.com/ncf/video?gameId=312670344


FRESNO St. isn't so hot either, but let's go ahead and include the highlights in here:

http://espn.go.com/ncf/video?gameId=313090278

http://espn.go.com/ncf/video?gameId=313090278

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Overall, I see a fluid athlete with good measurable, definitely having a draftable grade.

He has much better lateral agility than Josh Gordon.

Where he end up will depend on how much more he can improve over the next year.

He's one of the reasons why I'm not sure next year receiver class is not as good as the one we just had.

We'll just have to wait and see how many guys continue with their development and how many underclassmen declare.

There are still more guys under my radar (that I've haven't gotten to or haven't studied enough about.)
 
Dobson is a stud.

I've got Rodgers and Dobson rated 1-2 WR's in the draft.

Even though I haven't done any research yet.

Even though Hunter had ACL surgery, How do you guys have him rated in comparison to his teammate Rodgers?
 
76Texan, when I watch the youtube video's you posted on Patton I see a guy with good speed but not great, very good quickness/agility but not great, very good athleticism, very good field awareness on sideline routes, catches with his hands, and seems to have good concentration on the ball. It also looks like he's not afraid to go across the middle, and not afraid of contact. He seems to have many of the basic tools to become a good WR. What's impossible to see in highlight video's is his route running ability and whether the separation he gets on big plays are the result of his quality play or blown coverage. Also the level of competition is suspect but he looks to have some potential if he continues to grow, stay healthy, and improve. He's definitely worth keeping an eye on, and I hope that our scouts are doing just that.

SteelB, I like Hunter better than Rodgers. Hunter is more athletic, graceful, smooth, looks faster, and catches with his hands. I think Rodgers catches way to many balls with his body and just lacks that smooth graceful movement that comes from great athleticism. If Hunter proves he's over the ACL injury and has a great year, which he should, he should go before Rodgers in the draft and could go top 10.
 
I've been watching a bunch of Vols game in both 2010 and 2011 (too many), and Yeah, Hunter is taller and faster and smoother.
Some already put him in the same class as AJ Green as Julio Jones.
I'm not ready to do that yet.

In 2010, he was a Freshman and the Vols had Seniors in front of him so Hunter wasn't a starter. When he came into games; he saw single coverage exclusively.
His big plays were basically against lesser known quantity.

Yes, he did have a 37-yd catch against Mathieu, but this guy is at most 5'9 (I kinda doubt he's even that "tall"). Mathieu is a good CB, but when the ball is well-thrown over a short CB, there wasn't much the guy can do.

He does have great potential though, and will probably be a first rounder.

Don't go to sleep on Rogers; however.
He's the more physical of the two, but unless he can improve on his long speed and get rid of his "drops", he won't be a first rounder, maybe not even a second rounder.

What he's right now is a guy that can stick his foot in the ground and make a good cut. He also has a good double move to run the deep route (he hasn't ran many of them, however).

He got seperation from Mathieu a couple of times and we know that Mathieu is a very quick cover corner.
He was in a few good battles with the likes of Kirkpatrick, Claiborne, and Gilmore.

His production was very good for a guy who had faced many top defenders and defenses. The quality of defenses he Vols faced went through the roof after Hunter got injured last year. Even so, Rogers saw double coverage at times.

The Vols also got a new guy, a previous 5-star recruit who was the best receiver in the JUCO rank last year - Cordarrelle Patterson.
This guy is another monster. Tall, fast, and smooth. He has very good lateral movement, especially for a big guy.
Watch out for him.

Last year, their line was young (only one Jr).
With a more experienced QB in Bray, I see an explosive offense this year.
 
My review from my May mock for 2013:

1. WR Da'Rick Rogers Tennesse (junior) 6'3" 215 He is noted to have "issues" but facts are the 2010 disorderly conduct & resisting arrest after a cop was knocked out were dismissed. He had a run in with strength coach & threatened him & was banned from off season activities for two weeks. Never suspended. Coach McKeefery was in his first year with Tenn & is a former Army performance coordinator Special Forces so may be a tad gung ho. Also note that Tenn Vols hired 7 new assistants. I think Rogers will do fine but expect him to enter draft after this season. He might be better than any WR in 2012 draft.

See this link on his 40 speed: http://www.eagleseyeblog.com/2012-ar...at-counts.html

Back in 2009, as expected, several prospects stood out. One of these young men, wide receiver Da'Rick Rogers, ran a blistering 4.34 40-yard dash at a mind boggling 6'2, 197-lbs. *Note this is a hand held device.
 
badboy said:
My review from my May mock for 2013:

1. WR Da'Rick Rogers Tennesse (junior) 6'3" 215 He is noted to have "issues" but facts are the 2010 disorderly conduct & resisting arrest after a cop was knocked out were dismissed. He had a run in with strength coach & threatened him & was banned from off season activities for two weeks. Never suspended. Coach McKeefery was in his first year with Tenn & is a former Army performance coordinator Special Forces so may be a tad gung ho. Also note that Tenn Vols hired 7 new assistants. I think Rogers will do fine but expect him to enter draft after this season. He might be better than any WR in 2012 draft.

See this link on his 40 speed: http://www.eagleseyeblog.com/2012-ar...at-counts.html

Back in 2009, as expected, several prospects stood out. One of these young men, wide receiver Da'Rick Rogers, ran a blistering 4.34 40-yard dash at a mind boggling 6'2, 197-lbs. *Note this is a hand held device.
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I don't know how much stock we can put into those time.
It just seems like so many guys were timed in the 4.3s in college only to disappoint during combine. Even their pro-day results might be questionable (some tracks are faster then others, for one.)

He's currently listed at 6'3 - 215. So the weight gained may have some effect.
I definitely don't see 4.34.

I normally try to check out guys running deep routes; let's say a straight go route (free release, no double move).

I look at the clock when the ball is snapped and stopped the tape at different intervals on the field.

I compare that with all the receivers that I've timed over the years.

The more routes I can time them, the more I'm comfortable with their playing speed.

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You think quite highly of him, as in "better than any receiver in the last draft - 2012", which means you like him even better than Blackmon and the rest.

Me, I don't think I'd go there yet.
 
76Texan said:
I don't know how much stock we can put into those time.
It just seems like so many guys were timed in the 4.3s in college only to disappoint during combine. Even their pro-day results might be questionable (some tracks are faster then others, for one.)

He's currently listed at 6'3 - 215. So the weight gained may have some effect.
I definitely don't see 4.34.

I normally try to check out guys running deep routes; let's say a straight go route (free release, no double move).

I look at the clock when the ball is snapped and stopped the tape at different intervals on the field.

I compare that with all the receivers that I've timed over the years.

The more routes I can time them, the more I'm comfortable with their playing speed.

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You think quite highly of him, as in "better than any receiver in the last draft - 2012", which means you like him even better than Blackmon and the rest.

Me, I don't think I'd go there yet.
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Understand your comments but the last two combines have put some focus on the 40 times and it was not positive. We can refer to Kendall Wright's time when several hand held devices had him faster than the official time. If Rogers runs 4.50 at that size he will be good enough.
 
76Texan said:
I don't know how much stock we can put into those time.
It just seems like so many guys were timed in the 4.3s in college only to disappoint during combine. Even their pro-day results might be questionable (some tracks are faster then others, for one.)

He's currently listed at 6'3 - 215. So the weight gained may have some effect.
I definitely don't see 4.34.

I normally try to check out guys running deep routes; let's say a straight go route (free release, no double move).

I look at the clock when the ball is snapped and stopped the tape at different intervals on the field.

I compare that with all the receivers that I've timed over the years.

The more routes I can time them, the more I'm comfortable with their playing speed.

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You think quite highly of him, as in "better than any receiver in the last draft - 2012", which means you like him even better than Blackmon and the rest.

Me, I don't think I'd go there yet.
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I saw Rodgers play last yr and I'm not ready to go there either. Rodgers does have the potential to be as good as people think if he's willing to work at it. IMHO

What is your opinion of Bray? I think he was the best QB I saw last yr.
 
steelbtexan said:
I saw Rodgers play last yr and I'm not ready to go there either. Rodgers does have the potential to be as good as people think if he's willing to work at it. IMHO

What is your opinion of Bray? I think he was the best QB I saw last yr.
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Best QB you saw last year, including RG III and Russell Wilson?

I have to disagree on that.

The best 3 QBs I saw last year was Wilson, Keenum, and RG III.

These 3 guys performed the best under pressure, which is what one would expect in the NFL.

Bray is a good prospect that is on schedule in his development, as I see it.

He plays well when he has time to throw the ball.
The Cincinnati game, for example, saw Hunter and Rogers getting open at will (on the same plays) quickly.

Bray didn't play terrible under pressure, but he played poorly as compared to the three I mentioned.
He accumulated his stats against weaker opponents on the schedule.

Obviously, he's still young.
If he continues to improve, he can have a bright future.
He has the tools and the size.
He has weapons.
His O-line should improve with experience.
Everything lines up for him to have a good year.
He should be able to take advantage of it.

I haven't paid close attention to Tyler Wilson; the guy I've seen enough is Matt Barkley and he was better than Bray last year (but of course, Barkley has a year on Bray.)
 
Next up is Marcus Davis, VTech.

6'4 - 228

40 time: 4.44 ave.;
as low as 4.37 (timed at VTech in 2010)
44" vertical (posted at VTech in 2010)

Production:

30 catches, 510 yards (17 ypc), 5 TDs as a Jr last year.

Had a reception for four yards at Marshall before suffering a foot injury (a sprain that forced him to leave the game) ... Saw action for six plays against Clemson before re-aggravating foot injury from previous week .

The real catch: He was recruited as a QB.
 
76Texan said:
Next up is Marcus Davis, VTech.

6'4 - 228

40 time: 4.44 ave.;
as low as 4.37 (timed at VTech in 2010)
44" vertical (posted at VTech in 2010)

Production:

30 catches, 510 yards (17 ypc), 5 TDs as a Jr last year.

Had a reception for four yards at Marshall before suffering a foot injury (a sprain that forced him to leave the game) ... Saw action for six plays against Clemson before re-aggravating foot injury from previous week .

The real catch: He was recruited as a QB.
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He's not ranked by Walterfootball and CBS has him as an UDFA, so naturally the Texans will be looking at him in the 3rd round.
 
Wolf6151 said:
He's not ranked by Walterfootball and CBS has him as an UDFA.
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At the moment he should be an UDFA (just as Josh Gordon).

Even though he's a bit more raw than Gordon, he has better measurables and potential, and no red flag (I think).

He has already caught some eyes (not that I necessarily agree with them).

From the Baylor Bears MB:
Mel Kiper recently unveiled his top 5 returning senior players per position and our very own Terrance Williams came in as the #1 receiver:
1. Terrance Williams
2. Denard Robinson
3. Tavon Austin
4. Cobi Hamilton
5. Marcus Davis

If you're an ESPN insider's subscriber (which I'm not), you can get the scoop here:

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/story?id=7471665&_slug_=top-5-players-position-returning-seniors-cfb&eleven=twelve&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnfl%2fstory%3fid%3d7471665%26_slug_%3dtop-5-players-position-returning-seniors-cfb%26eleven%3dtwelve

Chad Reuter (NFL Network) has him at #8 in his list of the top draft-eligible college players for next year.

8. Marcus Davis, 6-4, 228, Virginia Tech
This former quarterback has an elite combination of size and speed, but has only flashed those skills so far with the Hokies (30 catches, 510 yards, five touchdowns in 2011). Successfully stepping into a starring role with the Hokies in 2012, with the help of junior quarterback Logan Thomas, should shoot Davis up draft boards in a hurry.
NFL comparison: Marques Colston

Walter Football Camp Foundation named him on their watch list for the Biletnikoff Award (Presented to the nation's most outstanding receiver).
 
I like Terrance Williams but can't help but think his production and draft standing will fall a little due to RGIII and Wright being in the NFL now and a new QB taking over. Maybe we get lucky and can get him in the 2nd round.

Marcus Davis has just the opposite issue, low ranked guy with a very good QB that should help his production level and draft standing. Now in his senior year, with more experience, his production should go up.

The 2013 draft looks to have some good talent in the 1st and 2nd rounds but the talent level seems to drop off after that, not near the depth as this years draft class had. Hopefully some other guys can move up and make this a better draft class.

76Texan, what do you know about Jared Abbrederis-WR from Wisconsin. According to Walter he's got good size, great speed, and very good production last year. He lost his QB and opposite side WR to the NFL as well so his production may drop off but he could be one to keep an eye on.
 
This question wasn't directed to me,

But I watched Abbrederis last yr and he looked like Wilsons favorite WR to me.

He appeared to have great speed and really good hands. He also wasn't a one trick pony. While he may not be able to run a full route tree now. He knows how to run fly/outs,curls/short slants.

If my memory serves me correctly.
 
I just noticed that Abbrederis is a redshirt sophmore this year and still has 2 yrs. of eligibility left. Also Walterfootball has him listed as 3rd or 4th round pick. Having lost his opposite side WR and also breaking in a new QB, I'm guessing his production would most likely drop and that he'll stay for at least one more year after this one and if he's good probably goes pro in the 2014 draft. A name to keep an eye on though.

I was watching some Keenan Allen-WR from Cal videos earlier today. It's easy to see why he's rated so high. Maybe we get lucky and the draft is deep so he might fall to us in the bottom of the 1st round. Probably wishful thinking.
 
I like everything about Abbrederis, except that he's not a guy who can stretch the field.

Yes, he did have 3 drops in 14 games.
Yes, he did have one fumble on a return (not caused by the opponent.)

But you look at the number of touches he had (counting defensive PIs and catches called back due to holding by the O-line, etc.) as compared to KMart, this guy is evern more sure-handed.

He's not as explosive as Martin; he's not as quick, but he's very deceptive.
Playing in the same conference, his average is better than KMart in every category (ypc, yd per punt return and KO return). And he already had more TD receving than KMart 11/10 while playing quite a bit less.

The main thing is that he's a very smart player who's gifted with a great vision.

He understands coverage scheme (both on defense and special team).
He understands the angle of approach an opponent may take and he works of it very well.
Basically, he knows where the daylight is.

This guy fits the Texans to a T.
Wisconsin's bread and butter is also the play action.
He walked on after playing as a running QB in HS (and defensive back).
He also competed in wrestling and track & field.
He earned a scholarship this past January.
He's really the embodiment of a real college athlete.

He's a type of true All-American guy, very good at a lot of things, but not really a grand master of anything. But he works hard at it and seems to be very humble.

This is what he tweeted when he finally got the scholarship this last January:

"Praise God for blessing me with a scholarship, signed the papers today!" Abbrederis wrote. "All the hard work has paid off!"

http://host.madison.com/sports/college/football/uw-football-abbrederis-lands-long-awaited-scholarship/article_aa574c18-45df-11e1-a47f-0019bb2963f4.html

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High School: Wisconsin Football Coaches Association first-team all-state quarterback ... conference offensive player of the year as a senior ... first-team all-conference defensive back and quarterback as a senior ... member of WIAA Division IV state championship team as a senior ... second-team all-conference quarterback and first-team all-conference defensive back as a junior ... second-team all-conference quarterback as a sophomore ... threw for 1,657 yards and 19 touchdowns as a senior ... finished his career with 3,014 passing yards and 30 touchdowns ... rushed for 1,490 yards as a senior, averaging 8.4 yards per carry, 106.4 yards per game and had 26 rushing touchdowns ... two-time team captain ... also competed in track and wrestling ... named Gatorade track athlete of the year and BFS Male National Athlete of the Year as a senior ... three-time conference champion 110m high hurdles ... two-time state champion and state record holder in 110m high hurdles ... state champion as a senior in 300m hurdles.
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Wolf6151 said:
I just noticed that Abbrederis is a redshirt sophmore this year and still has 2 yrs. of eligibility left. Also Walterfootball has him listed as 3rd or 4th round pick. Having lost his opposite side WR and also breaking in a new QB, I'm guessing his production would most likely drop and that he'll stay for at least one more year after this one and if he's good probably goes pro in the 2014 draft. A name to keep an eye on though.

I was watching some Keenan Allen-WR from Cal videos earlier today. It's easy to see why he's rated so high. Maybe we get lucky and the draft is deep so he might fall to us in the bottom of the 1st round. Probably wishful thinking.
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I just started to watch and learn about O'Brien, the FA QB that will replace Wilson next year. He seems to be very inconsistent, not sure how much was his fault and how much was due to cirscumstances (coaching changes).

Good! I see that you agree on Keenan Allen.
Like I said, it will depend on how many underclassmen that choose to declare; this upcoming draft class may end up being deeper and more talented than the last one.

There are other guys I'm still studying (I watched many of them already last year, but haven't dug deep enough yet because I knew it wasn't their time yet).
 
76Texan said:
I like everything about Abbrederis, except that he's not a guy who can stretch the field.

Yes, he did have 3 drops in 14 games.
Yes, he did have one fumble on a return (not caused by the opponent.)

But you look at the number of touches he had (counting defensive PIs and catches called back due to holding by the O-line, etc.) as compared to KMart, this guy is evern more sure-handed.

He's not as explosive as Martin; he's not as quick, but he's very deceptive.
Playing in the same conference, his average is better than KMart in every category (ypc, yd per punt return and KO return). And he already had more TD receving than KMart 11/10 while playing quite a bit less.

The main thing is that he's a very smart player who's gifted with a great vision.

He understands coverage scheme (both on defense and special team).
He understands the angle of approach an opponent may take and he works of it very well.
Basically, he knows where the daylight is.

This guy fits the Texans to a T.
Wisconsin's bread and butter is also the play action.
He walked on after playing as a running QB in HS (and defensive back).
He also competed in wrestling and track & field.
He earned a scholarship this past January.
He's really the embodiment of a real college athlete.

He's a type of true All-American guy, very good at a lot of things, but not really a grand master of anything. But he works hard at it and seems to be very humble.

This is what he tweeted when he finally got the scholarship this last January:

"Praise God for blessing me with a scholarship, signed the papers today!" Abbrederis wrote. "All the hard work has paid off!"

http://host.madison.com/sports/college/football/uw-football-abbrederis-lands-long-awaited-scholarship/article_aa574c18-45df-11e1-a47f-0019bb2963f4.html

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High School: Wisconsin Football Coaches Association first-team all-state quarterback ... conference offensive player of the year as a senior ... first-team all-conference defensive back and quarterback as a senior ... member of WIAA Division IV state championship team as a senior ... second-team all-conference quarterback and first-team all-conference defensive back as a junior ... second-team all-conference quarterback as a sophomore ... threw for 1,657 yards and 19 touchdowns as a senior ... finished his career with 3,014 passing yards and 30 touchdowns ... rushed for 1,490 yards as a senior, averaging 8.4 yards per carry, 106.4 yards per game and had 26 rushing touchdowns ... two-time team captain ... also competed in track and wrestling ... named Gatorade track athlete of the year and BFS Male National Athlete of the Year as a senior ... three-time conference champion 110m high hurdles ... two-time state champion and state record holder in 110m high hurdles ... state champion as a senior in 300m hurdles.
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BTW, another thing I really like about Acrabadera is that he ALWAYS worked to keep both feet in bound.

He didn't have too, but he did.
That's a very good trait from a receiver (hardly seen) in college.
I was really impressed with that facet of his game.

Oh, and he can make catches like the one Casey made in the New Orleans game, too.
 
mussop said:
he is now. He is ranked 16th
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Yeah, I'm ahead of them. :ant:

Walter projects Marcus Davis betwee round 2 and 4 now.

I currently have him as value in the third round due to the "potential" upside.

All the receivers I had in this thread are doing at least as well as expected.
 
If Dolphins want a receiver in the draft, there isn’t a clear-cut favorite
Unfortunately for the Dolphins, most draft experts agree that this year’s receiver crop is short on elite talent. The draft will feature several solid mid-round players — including many who are showcasing their talents here at the Senior Bowl this week — but no instant stars like a Calvin Johnson, Larry Fitzgerald or Julio Jones.

“There are two problems with this receiver draft — there’s no dominant receiver, and it’s a problem of size,” said Sports Illustrated draft expert Tony Pauline. “Last year, four of the top five guys were all at least 6-3 and 210 pounds. But there’s not a lot of size in this receiver group. You’re basically looking at a bunch of No. 2 or 3 type guys.”
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What is exciting is that we should be able to take care of most if not all our weak areas with a good draft. At first I was wanting a trade up but now a trade down from #27 may be more fruitful. Anyone think we can trade a 3 & 5 for for a second like we did two drafts ago with NE? Pats did have two seconds that year which could make difference. Miami has two in second and two in third IIRC.
 
I agree with srono, Marcus Wheaton looks like another fine player.

Love his ability to start and stop, and restart.

Makes a lot of difficult catches that will translate to the next level.

Nice stutter step and double move.

Good hips to change lanes in traffic for YAC.

Looks pretty explosive and scrambles well on broken play.

Man, it's going to be hard to place all of these guys.
 
This looks like a good draft to grab a wr. If I'm the texans I'd consider taking two and letting Walter go.
 
Rey said:
This looks like a good draft to grab a wr. If I'm the texans I'd consider taking two and letting Walter go.
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If we can fill another need position or 2 in FA, then this isn't such a bad idea. A really good WR in the 1st and then a project guy who only needs a little work in the 3B or 4.
 
I could see us drafting a wr in the 2nd but i think it is anybody's guess who will be there when we pick. The 3 guys who i am pretty damn sure will not be there are deandre hopkins, cordarrelle patterson, and quinton patton. Patton seems to be distinguishing himself from the pack at the senior bowl. Looks like a mid second round pick. Other than that i have no idea. I do believe that there will be a guy there like robert woods, da'rick rogers, justin hunter...i have a feeling there will be a good receiver when we pick in the 2nd. If we go wr in the 1st i could see it being deandre hopkins. Patterson will be long gone imo and i doubt we reach for patton.
 
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76Texan said:
I agree with srono, Marcus Wheaton looks like another fine player.

Love his ability to start and stop, and restart.

Makes a lot of difficult catches that will translate to the next level.

Nice stutter step and double move.

Good hips to change lanes in traffic for YAC.

Looks pretty explosive and scrambles well on broken play.

Man, it's going to be hard to place all of these guys.
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Wheaton vs Trufant (projected 1st to 2nd round).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrPsnQWU6kA

The lowest production he had in a game this year was against Washington.
He caught two passes early but then was hit (helmet to helmet I think) and missed the rest of the game.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CB7rRmzwJSE

He came back with 2 consecutive 100yd games, a 98yd game, a 99yd game, and another 100yd game.

Then came the Alamo Bowl against Texas.
Oregon St. was without their starting QB (who has been inconsistent all year).
The backup QB went 15-28 (missing 13 throws) for 194 yards and 2 INts.
Wheaton caught 3 passes for 37 yards; he also ran 4 times for 26 yards.
I will try to watch that game tonight to see what happened.
 
Both ESPN experts have us going WR in the first round.

They also both have Matt Barkley still there I think.

Would Barkley be a good choice?
 
I really like Justin Hunter WR Tennessee and I think he will be there in the second round for us. I think we will go BPA on defense up the middle (NT, ILB or S) in round 1.
 
RT22 said:
I really like Justin Hunter WR Tennessee and I think he will be there in the second round for us. I think we will go BPA on defense up the middle (NT, ILB or S) in round 1.
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After the Combine I think Hunter will be considered a 1st round pick and even IF he does fall to the 2nd round he would surely be a very early 2nd round pick. I see no way that he's still available at #57. He needs to bulk up a little, but I think he's worth our #27 pick.
 
htownfan32 said:
Yep, iirc last year the "experts" had us taking Stephen Hill, Reuben Randle, and some had us with Mohamed Sanu.
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Hill is pretty much what we thought he would be, a project who flashes potential but is injury prone.

Randle looks really good to me. Think Texans should have just selected him in the 2nd. Looks like plus returner (which would soften Jacoby blow) with good hands & ability to stretch the field.

Sanu is physical, always was, could have replaced Walter.

But that was then this is now.

Quinton Patton looks better to me than any of them. Probably early 2nd on Texans board, suggesting a move back once again then taking WR. Three second round picks would be sweet, check this:

2nd Quinton Patton, WR, Louisiana Tech
2nd Khaseem Greene, LB, Rutgers
2nd Brandon Williams, NT, Missouri Southern

that's three starters :wesmantexanfan:
 
Our next QB is already with the team, technically.
But Barkley would be an upgrade over Schaub in the not-so-far distance in the future. He can extend plays with his feet. His range is at least 7 yards deeper than Schaub. He's already familiar with the WCO; only AJ and even Walter wouldn't have to slow down and wait for the ball.

Here are my notes on USC.
They played 2 Sophomores and 2 Freshmen on the Oline.
One of the Sophomore was moved from Guard to LT, and at least for part of the season (that I know of) was rotating with a Freshman.
The C Khalid Holmes injured his ankle in the second game of the season against Syracuse. He missed the next game against Stanford. He tried to come back the following week and reinjured the ankle. He continued to play the rest of the season, but your guess is as good as mine about his effectiveness.

Without Holmes, the Trojans managed 26 yards on 27 rushing attempts against Stanford.
 
5 of Barkley's INTs were not his faults.
2 (and may be 3) more were due to miscommunication with his receivers.
3 more were due to great individual defensive plays.

Yes, there are a few balls he threw that could have been intercepted, but overall it is still less than other QBs, including Geno Smith.

I still rank Smith slightly ahead of Barkley; however, considering that Smith is a pure shotgun spread QB, we don't know how effective he can be under center.

On top of that, I saw more drops by the receivers than all the receivers on other team. There were also more defensive PIs committed against them that affected the numbers on paper for Barkley. His TD numbers would have been much higher (about 10).

All these (and the level of competition) add up to negate any advantage Barkley may have over most if not all QBs in this draft class.

If I was the Texans GM, I would take Barkley over Geno Smith because he fits this system much better.
 
There are a lot of playmakers in this draft class.

Tavon Austin is such a weapon that can be used everywhere: as a RB or a receiver, and in both punt and kick return; but it's Stedman Bailey that really impressed me on the W. Virg team.

He's a tough, physical players that can make the tough catch and also block well (shame on you, Justin Hunter.)
He's fast and he can make a lot of tough catches.

If you like Kendall Wright last year, then you should also like Bailey.
Not only that, he's probably a receiver who has the best drop rate the last couple of years, and he almost always managed to keep both feet inbound, unlike all of the receivers that were drafted in the first round last year and any of the receivers in this draft class.

I don't think he will last until the end of the second, but I'm hesitant to put him in the first round.
I think he's better than AJ Jenkins who was drafted in the first by the Niners though.

It's really tough to decide who to draft this year, I just can't make up my mind.
 
76Texan said:
There are a lot of playmakers in this draft class.

Tavon Austin is such a weapon that can be used everywhere: as a RB or a receiver, and in both punt and kick return; but it's Stedman Bailey that really impressed me on the W. Virg team.

He's a tough, physical players that can make the tough catch and also block well (shame on you, Justin Hunter.)
He's fast and he can make a lot of tough catches.

If you like Kendall Wright last year, then you should also like Bailey.
Not only that, he's probably a receiver who has the best drop rate the last couple of years, and he almost always managed to keep both feet inbound, unlike all of the receivers that were drafted in the first round last year and any of the receivers in this draft class.

I don't think he will last until the end of the second, but I'm hesitant to put him in the first round.
I think he's better than AJ Jenkins who was drafted in the first by the Niners though.

It's really tough to decide who to draft this year, I just can't make up my mind.
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Yeah I have recently moved to Bailey & should be available in 3rd.
 
76Texan said:
Our next QB is already with the team, technically.
But Barkley would be an upgrade over Schaub in the not-so-far distance in the future. He can extend plays with his feet. His range is at least 7 yards deeper than Schaub. He's already familiar with the WCO; only AJ and even Walter wouldn't have to slow down and wait for the ball.

Here are my notes on USC.
They played 2 Sophomores and 2 Freshmen on the Oline.
One of the Sophomore was moved from Guard to LT, and at least for part of the season (that I know of) was rotating with a Freshman.
The C Khalid Holmes injured his ankle in the second game of the season against Syracuse. He missed the next game against Stanford. He tried to come back the following week and reinjured the ankle. He continued to play the rest of the season, but your guess is as good as mine about his effectiveness.

Without Holmes, the Trojans managed 26 yards on 27 rushing attempts against Stanford.
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Barkley has slow feet and a schaub type arm. I do like the wrs in this draft. My guy in the 3rd or 4th rd is tavaris king of georgia. Explosive guy with great speed and quickness.
 
htownfan32 said:
Yep, iirc last year the "experts" had us taking Stephen Hill, Reuben Randle, and some had us with Mohamed Sanu.
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I think last year was the first year they had us taking a WR in the first, but that was because they saw what we saw. To do it again this year, I guess they're saying we didn't get what we wanted in last year's draft..... when we drafted 2 WRs, one in the third.

I'd like to see a WR in the first, but I wouldn't be surprised (upset maybe, but not surprised) if they don't address WR earlier than the third round again.

Posey will be back. LeStar & Martin are going to pressure Walter for that #3WR spot (not that we have a #2, we've been playing without one for years).

If they think that TE is an upgrade over Daniels.... I wouldn't mind grabbing him.
 
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