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Johnathan Joseph: Bengals are cheap, Texans are not

CloakNNNdagger

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Johnathan Joseph left Cincinnati to sign a five-year, $48.75 million contract in Houston last year, so it’s not surprising that Joseph views the Texans as a more generous team than the Bengals. But Joseph says that goes beyond players’ salaries.

According to Joseph, Texans owner Bob McNair cares about the players’ families and is willing to provide whatever is needed to make the players comfortable, while Bengals owner Mike Brown nickel-and-dimes them about everything from sports drinks to road trips.

“The first thing about Houston is it’s an organization run from a different perspective,” Joseph told HeraldOnline.com. “In Cincy, the team lives off money it earns from football. Houston’s owner has other business interests and he controls the money. Numerous things that go on such as the way Houston interacts with my family; we’re treated in a first-class way. They helped us when my wife lost our baby daughter in a miscarriage. But they help with anything you ask of them because they are a very caring organization with positive attitudes about its players. In Cincy, we’re told how much Gatorade we could take home. In Houston we get what we request. You get soap and deodorant at your request. You don’t have a roommate on road trips.”

Joseph is far from the first player to complain about the Bengals’ spendthrift ways, but he puts it in particularly stark terms: Sometimes there’s more to how happy an owner can make a player than how big a paycheck the owner will sign. Sometimes it’s about showing consideration for a player’s family, or not making an issue of it if the player says he’ll sleep better on the road if he has his own room. That’s what Joseph says he’s getting in Houston, and what he says he didn’t get in Cincinnati.
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It's good to hear about Joseph's contrasting experience. But I don't know that, of all teams, I would be picking the Bengals as a comparison example to try to illustrate how generous another team might be.
 

thunderkyss

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It's good to hear about Joseph's contrasting experience. But I don't know that, of all teams, I would be picking the Bengals as a comparison example to try to illustrate how generous another team might be.
Well... you know, he has experience with two teams...

What I thought odd was:
“In Cincy, the team lives off money it earns from football. Houston’s owner has other business interests and he controls the money.
Mr. McNair will probably getting a visit from the IRS in the near future.

& why does a multimillionaire need to bring gatorade home?
 

Wolf

100% Texan
Q: Houston has a solid team and appears on its way to becoming one of the NFL’s best after going 10-6, winning the AFC South and making the second round of the playoffs last season. What are your thoughts and how have your teammates responded to the rise?

Everyone was excited; making the playoffs and going to the second round was our reward for lots of hard work. But we didn’t settle for that. Our ultimate goal was to go to Super Bowl and win it; still is. We’ve had strong participation in summer workouts. It was like a college atmosphere. Every player worked hard and wants to be the best at his position, collectively as a team, and we pushed each other during drills. It’s great to see how well the guys get along off and on the field.
http://www.heraldonline.com/2012/07/15/4112733/qa-with-former-northwestern-standout.html
 

GP

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That's the sort of thing we need to appear in media: i.e. Why Houston is a good destination for free agents.

My only quibble is that he's airing a bit of laundry. I don't like it when former Texans speak negatively about Houston, so the shoe fits here IMO.

The other thing is he's talking about McNair's income, sort of. Probably should have not said that, it didn't add anything to his story.

The part about Houston caring for him and his wife during the miscarriage was really good.

All in all: Good publicity for H-Town.
 
The other thing is he's talking about McNair's income, sort of. Probably should have not said that, it didn't add anything to his story.
He was qualifying his statement.

Instead of saying, "Brown's cheap and McNair's not," he was saying, "Brown's cheap and McNair's not, and here's why..."
 

ChampionTexan

Hall of Fame
He was qualifying his statement.

Instead of saying, "Brown's cheap and McNair's not," he was saying, "Brown's cheap and McNair's not, and here's why..."
Yep - he's actually trying to tone down the negative aspects of his comments regarding the Bengals.

Also, given that it's widely known that McNair has and had other sources of income (from the sale of Cogen Technologies, to ongoing investment in the power generation industry, to owning and racing horses), I think the chance of any negative backlash from either the general public or the IRS is minimal.
 

thunderkyss

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I'm sure Houston will become a top destination for the best FA as soon as they get word that McNair lets them take home all the Gatorade they want.


Winning a couple dozen more play-off games won't hurt either.
 

GP

Go Texans!
He was qualifying his statement.

Instead of saying, "Brown's cheap and McNair's not," he was saying, "Brown's cheap and McNair's not, and here's why..."
And you think that's wisdom to do so? I don't.

J Jo didn't make a huge transgression, I won't paint it as such. I gave him props for other things he said, the part on McNair's income stream(s) was mildly awkward. Again: Overall, good pub for the good guys!
 

badboy

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I'm sure Houston will become a top destination for the best FA as soon as they get word that McNair lets them take home all the Gatorade they want.


Winning a couple dozen more play-off games won't hurt either.
I understand your sarcasm but many folks like the little things. Money is great but that personal touch cannot be overlooked. You think players won't hear that about the McNairs being there during a miscarriage? You betcha.
 

GP

Go Texans!
I understand your sarcasm but many folks like the little things. Money is great but that personal touch cannot be overlooked. You think players won't hear that about the McNairs being there during a miscarriage? You betcha.
Was he personally there? I don't remember the event(s) when it actually happened.

I think the best thing that can happen is finally happening: Players want a good team environment AND they want to win too. We've always had one of those things, and now we have the other. This is what's key, IMO.
 
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kingh99

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I'm sure Houston will become a top destination for the best FA as soon as they get word that McNair lets them take home all the Gatorade they want.


Winning a couple dozen more play-off games won't hurt either.
One supports the other. Gatorade is a superficial example but what he's saying can't be ignored. All pro leagues are players leagues. Coaches coach at the pleasure of the players. Players shut it down, coach gets fired. All the best teams go first class. The comment about McNair having other revenue streams is important. He doesn't have to live and die making money with the sports franchise.

Successful people are successful for a reason and it's not always who they know. They have to make their own imprint or they'll be labeled wannabes of daddy's boys. Bud Adams is a daddy's boy and it shows in how he runs the team. He fell into it. I've known men like Adams and they never measure up to their fathers. They are spoiled and impetuous adult brats.
 

Hervoyel

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Well... you know, he has experience with two teams...

What I thought odd was:


Mr. McNair will probably getting a visit from the IRS in the near future.

& why does a multimillionaire need to bring gatorade home?
Yeah, he can only compare the two teams he's played for so that makes sense to me. What's important here is that he's very clear that the Texans are nothing like the Bengals. That's the message you want free agents around the league to get out of this.

I thought the other side to your question was "Why would a billionaire care how much Gatorade a multimillionaire takes home?" I'm sure that no matter how much he's drinking it's a trivial amount. McNair doesn't apparently sweat the small stuff. Brown does.
 

CloakNNNdagger

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Yeah, he can only compare the two teams he's played for so that makes sense to me. What's important here is that he's very clear that the Texans are nothing like the Bengals. That's the message you want free agents around the league to get out of this.

I thought the other side to your question was "Why would a billionaire care how much Gatorade a multimillionaire takes home?" I'm sure that no matter how much he's drinking it's a trivial amount. McNair doesn't apparently sweat the small stuff. Brown does.
Like that wasn't perfectly clear before he made his comments. :specnatz::)
 

Premier

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i checked out the bengals board, they seem to be making a big deal about the soap and deodorant comments... i have a feeling its more about their lockers being stocked with this stuff, than it is about players not wanting to buy their own personal hygiene products.. im sure players have their own soap and deodorant at home, and some owners would rather have their players know that when they are at work they dont have to worry about these miniscule things, since their players workout all day and take showers after. its a luxury of being a first-class athlete and being a key part of an organization that rakes in billions of dollars.. if i was a player the organization that offered these player-friendly quirks would seem more appealing, especially if that organization fields a better team..
 

Texan_Bill

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Well... you know, he has experience with two teams...

What I thought odd was:


Mr. McNair will probably getting a visit from the IRS in the near future.

& why does a multimillionaire need to bring gatorade home?
You're focussing in and on the wrong things. These athletes make millions for companies like gatorade... The NFL does so too.

JJo just grabbed a simple thing to make a point. It's too bad simpleton's used his example as something to attack. Pathetic, really!!


See his point, NOT his example.
 

thunderkyss

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JJo just grabbed a simple thing to make a point. It's too bad simpleton's used his example as something to attack. Pathetic, really!!
when you want to make a word plural, simply adding an 's' will usually suffice.

the apostrophe indicates possesion. In this case, you are saying "used his example" belongs to a simpleton. The statement doesn't make sense, because "used his example" isn't an object or trait to be owned.

Do I really need to define pathetic for you, or do you get my point.... not my example.
 

Hervoyel

BUENO!
when you want to make a word plural, simply adding an 's' will usually suffice.

the apostrophe indicates possesion. In this case, you are saying "used his example" belongs to a simpleton. The statement doesn't make sense, because "used his example" isn't an object or trait to be owned.

Do I really need to define pathetic for you, or do you get my point.... not my example.
 

GP

Go Texans!
when you want to make a word plural, simply adding an 's' will usually suffice.

the apostrophe indicates possesion. In this case, you are saying "used his example" belongs to a simpleton. The statement doesn't make sense, because "used his example" isn't an object or trait to be owned.

Do I really need to define pathetic for you, or do you get my point.... not my example.
Or...his device might have added an apostrophe and he didn't catch it before hitting the submit button.

Submit button. That thing that some people hit too early when they should have simply slowed down to examine all the angles first. ;)
 

barrett

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Wow, reading this thread has really been something. I think it's safe to say, with seven days to go until rookies report, that we have reached the bottom of the offseason.

Riveting stuff all of it...

Especially discussions such as:

The IRS and Mr. McNair
What the motivation is for J Jo to take home gatorade versus soap...
 

Norg

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and yet when some of our X players leaves or gets traded they say bad things about the texans ...????
 

michaelm

vox nihili
Nothings free.
when you want to make a word plural, simply adding an 's' will usually suffice.

the apostrophe indicates possesion. In this case, you are saying "used his example" belongs to a simpleton. The statement doesn't make sense, because "used his example" isn't an object or trait to be owned.

Do I really need to define pathetic for you, or do you get my point.... not my example.
Thanks for the Monday morning amusement, TK.

I'm usually not a big fan of seeing grammar and spelling corrected on a forum, because it just feels kind of petty, and unnecessary to me in most cases. But to each his own, no big deal.

On the other hand, I do get a kick out of seeing you correct Bill for apostrophe usage, literally two posts after you omitted an apostrophe yourself.

:kitten:
 

thunderkyss

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Thanks for the Monday morning amusement, TK.

I'm usually not a big fan of seeing grammar and spelling corrected on a forum, because it just feels kind of petty, and unnecessary to me in most cases. But to each his own, no big deal.

On the other hand, I do get a kick out of seeing you correct Bill for apostrophe usage, literally two posts after you omitted an apostrophe yourself.

:kitten:
Good catch.

I'm glad to see all you guys jump on the grammar police, but don't have a problem when a fellow board member calls another a simpleton.

personal attacks ok.

punctuation correction...... not so much.

I'll remember that in the future.
 

GP

Go Texans!
Good catch.

I'm glad to see all you guys jump on the grammar police, but don't have a problem when a fellow board member calls another a simpleton.

personal attacks ok.

punctuation correction...... not so much.

I'll remember that in the future.
You attempted to call him a simpleton back by attacking his apostrophe usage.

You oughtta' know that the ref throws the flag on the guy who retaliates.
 

michaelm

vox nihili
Good catch.

I'm glad to see all you guys jump on the grammar police, but don't have a problem when a fellow board member calls another a simpleton.

personal attacks ok.

punctuation correction...... not so much.

I'll remember that in the future.
Another possibility is that I (we) didn't pick up on the personal attack angle from his post.

Nothing in your post indicated that you we responding to a personal attack, and giving you a hard time doesn't necessarily indicate that I condone them.
 

beerlover

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Joseph is a classy young man with soild family background nothing here, trying to make something from nothing. God I really hate the off-season. How many weeks before training camp?
 

Double Barrel

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“The first thing about Houston is it’s an organization run from a different perspective,” Joseph told HeraldOnline.com. “In Cincy, the team lives off money it earns from football. Houston’s owner has other business interests and he controls the money. Numerous things that go on such as the way Houston interacts with my family; we’re treated in a first-class way. They helped us when my wife lost our baby daughter in a miscarriage. But they help with anything you ask of them because they are a very caring organization with positive attitudes about its players. In Cincy, we’re told how much Gatorade we could take home. In Houston we get what we request. You get soap and deodorant at your request. You don’t have a roommate on road trips.”
This statement says so much.

If a pro football organization is counting Gatorade bottles, you know it's run by a bunch of cheap som'bithces. I doubt "all you can drink Gatorade" is a selling point for the Texans, but you can be damn sure that a team that is keeping track of Gatorade bottles will be well known as cheap. And isn't it in the team's best interests to keep these guys hydrated? Seems like a no-brainer to me.

Above and beyond that, though, is the idea that an organization cares about it's players, especially when perceived from the owner on down. That, above all else, is telling players something about integrity and honor, even in a cut-throat business like pro football.

I do not look at this as airing "dirty laundry". He's only conveying his experiences and how they contrast each other. We already know that the Bengals is a garbage organization, so this is not really telling us something we don't know.
 

Hervoyel

BUENO!
and yet when some of our X players leaves or gets traded they say bad things about the texans ...????
I believe the more often than not our players leave and say good things about their new teammates/organization/city and we collectively have a tendancy to interpret what maybe they didn't say about Houston in a bad light.

Not to say that no former player has ever said bad things about Houston or the Texans. It's happened. I just think when a player goes somewhere else we have a tendancy to take what he says personally and sometimes in the wrong way.
 

GP

Go Texans!
Joseph is a classy young man with soild family background nothing here, trying to make something from nothing. God I really hate the off-season. How many weeks before training camp?
LOL.

This place becomes a ticking time bomb about one or two weeks before camp begins.

It's like deer in rut.
 
It isn't about the value of the perks, it's about the respect and appreciation that they are showing you by providing them.

When a billionaire goes to Vegas it doesn't mean a lot financially to have a suite comped, but it makes you feel much more welcome when a hostess gives you everything you want without even having to ask for it.

Or a less expensive example, when the bagger carriers your groceries to your car. It doesn't really have a monetary value to you, but it is something that makes the company more appealing than the store that refuses to double bag to save a few pennies.

It's about a commitment to providing a quality environment and showing people that you (atleast pretend to) care about them. The Texans go the extra mile, the Bengal's charge for every inch.
 

Texan_Bill

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when you want to make a word plural, simply adding an 's' will usually suffice.

the apostrophe indicates possesion. In this case, you are saying "used his example" belongs to a simpleton. The statement doesn't make sense, because "used his example" isn't an object or trait to be owned.

Do I really need to define pathetic for you, or do you get my point.... not my example.
WOW!! I didn't see this post earlier....

:mcnugget:

It is = it's

example:

It is completely plausible that someone got their panties in a wad from a post not necessarily intended for said person.

-OR-

It's completely plausible that someone got their panties in a wad from a post not necessarily intended for said person.


That said, a dumbass dog chases its own tail.



And sir, you have NO point when it comes to, nor an example of "pathetic". Whenever all else fails, go to the Grammar Nazi card = pathetic!
 

JB

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wow!! I didn't see this post earlier....

:mcnugget:

It is = it's

example:

It is completely plausible that someone got their panties in a wad from a post not necessarily intended for said person.

-or-

it's completely plausible that someone got their panties in a wad from a post not necessarily intended for said person.


That said, a dumbass dog chases its own tail.



And sir, you have no point when it comes to, nor an example of "pathetic". Whenever all else fails, go to the grammar nazi card = pathetic!
hahahahaha!!!!
 
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