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Posted 57 minutes ago
By Nick Scurfield

Texans quarterback Matt Schaub has organized throwing sessions with several of his teammates this week at the University of Houston, about a 15-minute drive from Reliant Stadium.

Schaub, who missed organized team activities (OTAs) and mini-camp because he was still recovering from a 2011 season-ending Lisfranc injury, said Thursday that his surgically-repaired right foot is “100 percent.” He plans to continue the throwing sessions over the next several weeks leading up to the start of training camp on July 27.

“We found a field to go use to be able to throw and keep up with things, especially with the young guys, with all the young receivers and tight ends and guys that we have,” Schaub said. “I wanted to just get with them because missing OTAs, I missed those reps that I was getting with those guys and am just trying to bring them up to speed, get ready for training camp and throwing with Andre (Johnson) and some of the other guys. Just stuff that we can do to continue to stay sharp ‘til camp.”

Johnson, who is recovering from offseason arthroscopic surgery on his left knee, has been at every throwing session this week. Schaub said between 6-12 players have attended each one. The session take place around 9:30 every morning on U of H’s grass practice fields.

“We’ve had a handful of guys,” Schaub said. “Right now, the rookies are at the symposium, the drafted guys. Come next week, I expect all them to be out there. Andre’s been out there and a few other veterans. Right now, some of them have taken a little break, but we’ll come back here next week or just after the Fourth so we’ll have three good weeks after that to really get after it.”

New York Jets quarterback Mark Sanchez organizes an annual “Jets West” mini-camp of sorts in Southern California. Call this Texans East – that is, six miles to the east of Reliant Stadium?

“Yeah, I guess you could say that,” Schaub said, laughing. “Or just Humid and Hot Texans. The weather’s spiked up on us. But it’s just good to keep up with the guys and keep that rapport and camaraderie and just working on our own and getting ready to go.”

Schaub, who fully expects to be full-go for the start of training camp, said he has felt “great” physically on the practice field this week.

“Everything feels real good,” he said. “Doing all my movement and play fakes and dropping back, all the different things within the pocket that I need to be able to do come camp when the bullets are flying and everything. But I know what it takes to be ready for camp, and so we’re right there ready to go.”

Most of the Texans’ players got six weeks of vacation between the end of mini-camp on June 14 and the start of training camp. After not being able to participate in OTAs, Schaub was intent on making the most of his down time to get to work with his teammates for the first time this offseason.

“It’s huge. Especially not going through OTAs. You know, I was doing stuff on the other side of the field with the trainers, with Roland (Ramirez) and Geoff (Kaplan) and those guys, but to actually be doing it with my teammates, throwing to them and everything, that’s just huge. It’s simulating game reps and stuff that we’ll do in practice. So, anything I can do to continue to progress and do what I have to do physically throughout the course of a training camp practice and such to be ready to go is what I want to do right now. There’s no vacation time for me."
 

HOU-TEX

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Kinda related, I guess, but do they make a brace or some sort of support for his type of injury? Something that might help to prevent re-injury?
 

Rey

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Yeah, the guy is no leader.
I think Schaub is a good leader based simply on things I have seen. I really don't know though because I'm not in that locker room...

That out of the way....

Sanchez has been doing this for a few years now...I don't know that many would consider Sanchez a great leader because of that...

And this is just as much for him to get back into the groove of things as anyone else...

Again...JMO, I think Matt is a good leader. But I don't know that this is evidence of him being a good leader. Doesn't hurt, but I don't see this as an aha! moment...
 

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“We’ve had a handful of guys,” Schaub said. “Right now, the rookies are at the symposium, the drafted guys. Come next week, I expect all them to be out there. Andre’s been out there and a few other veterans. Right now, some of them have taken a little break, but we’ll come back here next week or just after the Fourth so we’ll have three good weeks after that to really get after it.”


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Niiiice.
 

Dutchrudder

Hall of Fame
I think Schaub is a good leader based simply on things I have seen. I really don't know though because I'm not in that locker room...

That out of the way....

Sanchez has been doing this for a few years now...I don't know that many would consider Sanchez a great leader because of that...

And this is just as much for him to get back into the groove of things as anyone else...

Again...JMO, I think Matt is a good leader. But I don't know that this is evidence of him being a good leader. Doesn't hurt, but I don't see this as an aha! moment...
At least he's not playing golf and trying to make the PGA tour instead...
 

gtexan02

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I hope they are being careful. Both Schaub and AJ are recovering from injury plagued years and we need both of them at 100%.
 

thunderkyss

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Yeah, the guy is no leader.
Stuff like this doesn't impress me as leadership.

Him throwing that ball away too early... giving up on plays too early. That's what stops me from thinking of Schaub as a leader.

I don't have a problem with a QB throwing the ball away or giving up on plays. And I'm not saying he hasn't taken a few hits from standing & delivering in the face of danger.

I'm just saying it's been to far & between and I think he gives up too early more often than not.

He can lead a thousand tupper-ware parties for all I care & I won't be convinced that he is the leader we need him to be.

Good QB. Second tier QB... yup.

Super Bowl caliber.... eh...
 

2012Champs

Hall of Fame
Stuff like this doesn't impress me as leadership.

Him throwing that ball away too early... giving up on plays too early. That's what stops me from thinking of Schaub as a leader.

I don't have a problem with a QB throwing the ball away or giving up on plays. And I'm not saying he hasn't taken a few hits from standing & delivering in the face of danger.

I'm just saying it's been to far & between and I think he gives up too early more often than not.

He can lead a thousand tupper-ware parties for all I care & I won't be convinced that he is the leader we need him to be.

Good QB. Second tier QB... yup.

Super Bowl caliber.... eh...


Funny Matt might have throw a ball away too early but TJ held on too long. I think holding on is worse. Super Bowl caliber is missused imo when speaking of a single position
 

HOU-TEX

Ah, Football!
All his coaches and teamates consider, and have called him a leader for quite some time now. I don't really consider myself a Schaub "hater" or "bandwagoner", but I'd really like to know what it would take you "Schaub's not a leader" people to see what his team sees?

Maybe an audio clip from a game of him ripping someone's ass?

"Whoa! Did you hear that, Cliff? Schaub just yelled at AJ cuz he dropped the ball. Now that's what I call a leader"

:spit:
 

Speedy

Former Yeller Dweller
Stuff like this doesn't impress me as leadership.

Him throwing that ball away too early... giving up on plays too early. That's what stops me from thinking of Schaub as a leader.

I don't have a problem with a QB throwing the ball away or giving up on plays. And I'm not saying he hasn't taken a few hits from standing & delivering in the face of danger.

I'm just saying it's been to far & between and I think he gives up too early more often than not.

He can lead a thousand tupper-ware parties for all I care & I won't be convinced that he is the leader we need him to be.

Good QB. Second tier QB... yup.

Super Bowl caliber.... eh...
Man, I just don't get stuff like this. If he's not Brady, Manning or the love child of Montana/Elway, then to hell with him.
 

dinkatoid

Waterboy
Good QB. Second tier QB... yup.

Super Bowl caliber.... eh...
I've never understood the superbowl caliber QB thing - I mean, Trent Dilfer won a superbowl. I think Shaub can get the job done, just needs enough support.

QB is a very important position, but at the same time, its still one position, and like all the others, you can make up for a less than perfect player by having good players around them. I am not saying that you can make up for ANY qb, but one of Schaubs caliber will be fine. Last year he did a very good job of not turning the ball over, which with our D is the most important part. Arian opens up enough room for Schaub to have an easier time throwing, and AJ is always there to help him out in tough situations.

Sure, hes not Montana or Young, but I still think he could be the QB of a superbowl team.
 

thunderkyss

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All his coaches and teamates consider, and have called him a leader for quite some time now. I don't really consider myself a Schaub "hater" or "bandwagoner", but I'd really like to know what it would take you "Schaub's not a leader" people to see what his team sees?
You can't go by their words. It's their actions, what they do & how they do it. From the Grid Iron, it's obvious they understand he is the QB of the team & they know the pecking order.
Maybe an audio clip from a game of him ripping someone's ass?

"Whoa! Did you hear that, Cliff? Schaub just yelled at AJ cuz he dropped the ball. Now that's what I call a leader"

:spit:
Nah...... yelling at people is a quality of poor leadership. If I showed up at work tomorrow & started yelling at everyone, I doubt they'd be thinking what a great leader I am. If I were promoted & started yelling, they might do what I'd say, recognize the pecking order, but they won't consider me their leader. Boss.... yes. Leader, not so much.

Man, I just don't get stuff like this. If he's not Brady, Manning or the love child of Montana/Elway, then to hell with him.
Who said anything about Brady, Manning, etc......

I've given Matt his due. 2009, I thought he should have been in the conversation of best QB in the league. But he hasn't played that way since. Regardless what the stats say, it's not about stats. It's about making things happen, and giving your team a chance to win.

I think he gives up too early on plays. Third down & 5, third and 15..... doesn't matter. If the play doesn't unfold as designed, the smart money is on him throwing it in the stands, or on a knee.....
 

Playoffs

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good for schaub taking initiative, but leaders are born on the field. organizing team workouts makes him a team manager, not a leader..
Retweet from Scurf...

Yes, really RT @HardBodyRonnie: RT @NickScurfield: @MSchaub8 ranks 7th alltime in comp %-64.3, 10th in passer rating-92.2 - damn really?


Bring back HWNWNBMH! :pissed:
 

Speedy

Former Yeller Dweller
I've given Matt his due. 2009, I thought he should have been in the conversation of best QB in the league. But he hasn't played that way since. Regardless what the stats say, it's not about stats. It's about making things happen, and giving your team a chance to win.

I think he gives up too early on plays. Third down & 5, third and 15..... doesn't matter. If the play doesn't unfold as designed, the smart money is on him throwing it in the stands, or on a knee.....
And yet in another thread you have a low opinion of Brady's 1st few years in the league even though he made things happen and gave his team a chance to win 3 Super Bowls. Make up your mind.
 

thunderkyss

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And yet in another thread you have a low opinion of Brady's 1st few years in the league even though he made things happen and gave his team a chance to win 3 Super Bowls. Make up your mind.

Are you talking about the tuck? Is that making it happen?
 

EllisUnit

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Stuff like this doesn't impress me as leadership.

Him throwing that ball away too early... giving up on plays too early. That's what stops me from thinking of Schaub as a leader.

I don't have a problem with a QB throwing the ball away or giving up on plays. And I'm not saying he hasn't taken a few hits from standing & delivering in the face of danger.

I'm just saying it's been to far & between and I think he gives up too early more often than not.

He can lead a thousand tupper-ware parties for all I care & I won't be convinced that he is the leader we need him to be.

Good QB. Second tier QB... yup.

Super Bowl caliber.... eh...
Like he gave up on that play in washington 2 years ago :kitten:. I dont see him give up on plays early, we cant see what he sees on the field. The Schaub i watch every gameday does his best to make us win games.
 

Kaiser Toro

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I am interested to hear how everyone defines leadership, whether it be their personal experience playing ball or in biz life.
 

infantrycak

Hall of Fame
Stuff like this doesn't impress me as leadership.

Him throwing that ball away too early... giving up on plays too early. That's what stops me from thinking of Schaub as a leader.

I don't have a problem with a QB throwing the ball away or giving up on plays. And I'm not saying he hasn't taken a few hits from standing & delivering in the face of danger.

I'm just saying it's been to far & between and I think he gives up too early more often than not.
I'll give you $50 for a bag of what you are smoking on Sundays if you think Schaub bails plays early.
 

thunderkyss

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I'll give you $50 for a bag of what you are smoking on Sundays if you think Schaub bails plays early.
Where should I deliver? I smoke Pall Mall menthols, I'll put a couple of packs in a bag for ya, cost me $9.50.

But I definitely think Shaub bails early.
 

CloakNNNdagger

Hall of Fame
Kinda related, I guess, but do they make a brace or some sort of support for his type of injury? Something that might help to prevent re-injury?
A "brace" would be not be helpful for this type of injury. However, I expect that they will have a supportive custom molded carbon graphite full-length orthotic shoe fitted.
 

welsh texan

You may say I’m a dreamer but I’m not the only one
The players respected Schaub as the leader from day 1, I've never heard a bad word said about him from anyone in the team, or anyone who's left the team for that matter. He's a good leader who's players buy into his leadership.

Organising a bit of throw and catch here and there doesn't affect it in the slightest. However, it does show a good togetherness amongst the players which is a positive.

Its also very positive that Schaub is now ready to go, I love me some TJ, but Schaub is by far the better option if healthy.
 

Marcus

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Are you kidding me?

How many years has Schaub been here again?

And this is the first time ... the very first time ... I have ever heard or read that Schaub "bails too early".

Some of you are just out of your freaking minds.
 

infantrycak

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Are you kidding me?

How many years has Schaub been here again?

And this is the first time ... the very first time ... I have ever heard or read that Schaub "bails too early".

Some of you are just out of your freaking minds.
In fact there have been comments he takes unnecessary hits from holding the ball to the last moment.

I'm starting to think the guy takes flack for looking like Mr. Magoo instead of Handsome Harry. It's like nothing he does can be correct.
 

thunderkyss

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I'm starting to think the guy takes flack for looking like Mr. Magoo instead of Handsome Harry. It's like nothing he does can be correct.
I've been saying the same thing for years. I've given him credit in 2009 for being the guy we need. I've been saying he needs to get back to playing the way he did in 2009.

Or even in last year's Raiders game. First half, he was all non-challant in the first half, like he just knew we were going to win the game... what ever happened happened & he was a little too cautious with the ball.

Then late in the third, it was like someone kicked him into gear & he started to make things happen.

I wish I could agree with all of you all the time. But I can't. & this time, I've given examples of what I'm talking about & what the difference is. If you're not seeing it, that's fine. But don't come at me like I'm smoking something.... where should I send those Pall Mall's by the way?
 

infantrycak

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I wish I could agree with all of you all the time. But I can't. & this time, I've given examples of what I'm talking about & what the difference is. If you're not seeing it, that's fine. But don't come at me like I'm smoking something.... where should I send those Pall Mall's by the way?
I'd look back at your examples but my DVD cratered. Oh well. My overall impression is just different than yours. If anything I would say Schaub takes unnecessary punishment. I really can't see where you say he bails early. Either way, the few times I smoke they aren't menthol.
 

Killer Bee

Waterboy
It must have been hard for Schaub to watch the success last year after so many mediocre seasons. He has to have a big chip on his shoulder this year. I expect an exuberant year from him and AJ, two veterans with something to prove.
 

Rey

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I am interested to hear how everyone defines leadership, whether it be their personal experience playing ball or in biz life.
The reason that I say that I think shammy is a good leader is simply based off of what I've seen from the people around him. I've never seen a player on the team show the smallest hint of a lack of faith in him. To me that is an indication of leadership. The offense has never quit on him. Kubiak gets credit for the team never quitting, but schaub deserves some of that too.

But I'm not in that locker room so I can't 100% say he is a great leader.

For me leadership in sports and some other areas starts with performance. If you are not a good player and have never been a good player some people just won't take you serious. The better you are the more people will look to you.

Next id say is the ability to make others around you better. And this is where different styles come into play. Some people are talkative and know what to say to other people. Some people are quiet and can just give a look that let's you know you need to do better.

But basically that's what it is for me:

1) be great or really good at what you do

2) be able to make those around you better
 

drs23

Veteran
I've been saying the same thing for years. I've given him credit in 2009 for being the guy we need. I've been saying he needs to get back to playing the way he did in 2009.

Or even in last year's Raiders game. First half, he was all non-challant in the first half, like he just knew we were going to win the game... what ever happened happened & he was a little too cautious with the ball.

Then late in the third, it was like someone kicked him into gear & he started to make things happen.

I wish I could agree with all of you all the time. But I can't. & this time, I've given examples of what I'm talking about & what the difference is. If you're not seeing it, that's fine. But don't come at me like I'm smoking something.... where should I send those Pall Mall's by the way?
The only examples where you're saying Schaub "bailed early" that I can recall is when there was no where to go with the ball. I remember the commentators saying they were "smart throw aways". Is that what we're talking about here?
 

HOU-TEX

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A "brace" would be not be helpful for this type of injury. However, I expect that they will have a supportive custom molded carbon graphite full-length orthotic shoe fitted.
Something with a hard shell protecting from being stepped on would make me feel better?
 

HOU-TEX

Ah, Football!
You can't go by their words. It's their actions, what they do & how they do it. From the Grid Iron, it's obvious they understand he is the QB of the team & they know the pecking order.


Nah...... yelling at people is a quality of poor leadership. If I showed up at work tomorrow & started yelling at everyone, I doubt they'd be thinking what a great leader I am. If I were promoted & started yelling, they might do what I'd say, recognize the pecking order, but they won't consider me their leader. Boss.... yes. Leader, not so much.



Who said anything about Brady, Manning, etc......

I've given Matt his due. 2009, I thought he should have been in the conversation of best QB in the league. But he hasn't played that way since. Regardless what the stats say, it's not about stats. It's about making things happen, and giving your team a chance to win.

I think he gives up too early on plays. Third down & 5, third and 15..... doesn't matter. If the play doesn't unfold as designed, the smart money is on him throwing it in the stands, or on a knee.....
My post was basically a sarcastic way of saying there isn't much Schaub can do to change the minds of the "Schaub's not a leader" group. Anyone that knows, played and watched football can tell he's a decent leader. Not sure what to tell y'all.

Is his durability a question? Yeah, I think that's safe to say, but I don't think his leadership should be questioned at this point.

I've been watching games from last year starting week 1. I must say, anyone that's thinking or saying TJ should be the starter is flat clueless.
 

The Pencil Neck

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Different people in different lines of work have different "requirements" on someone to be a leader.

For me, I have to have someone be competent at what they do before they can claim leadership. I have to trust that the person telling me what to do knows what he's doing and knows what I need to do AND I have to trust that the "leader" has a better grasp of the overall picture than I do. I want to be able to concentrate on doing my piece of the job as well as I can without having to worry too much about all the other pieces that are around me. And I expect a leader to make sure that each of us are doing what we need to do to move everything in the right direction.

I don't need someone cheering me on and telling me I can do it and trying to make me feel good about myself. I need someone who points me in the right direction and then recognizes that I'm doing good work when I'm doing good work and points out when I'm doing bad work and possibly offers suggestions or help when I'm struggling.

Some people want rah-rah. Some people need rah-rah. Other people need their asses chewed.

I can't say if Schaub is a leader or not. I'm not in that situation doing that job with those guys. So I have no information about how good or bad a job he does. And neither does anyone else. And I don't trust team sources when they tell me whether someone's a leader. So I try to ignore the leadership issue as much as possible. It's a black-box.
 

BullBlitz

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Different people in different lines of work have different "requirements" on someone to be a leader.

For me, I have to have someone be competent at what they do before they can claim leadership. I have to trust that the person telling me what to do knows what he's doing and knows what I need to do AND I have to trust that the "leader" has a better grasp of the overall picture than I do. I want to be able to concentrate on doing my piece of the job as well as I can without having to worry too much about all the other pieces that are around me. And I expect a leader to make sure that each of us are doing what we need to do to move everything in the right direction.

I don't need someone cheering me on and telling me I can do it and trying to make me feel good about myself. I need someone who points me in the right direction and then recognizes that I'm doing good work when I'm doing good work and points out when I'm doing bad work and possibly offers suggestions or help when I'm struggling.

Some people want rah-rah. Some people need rah-rah. Other people need their asses chewed.

I can't say if Schaub is a leader or not. I'm not in that situation doing that job with those guys. So I have no information about how good or bad a job he does.

And neither does anyone else.
Best to speak for yourself. You don't have the privilege of knowing what other people know, or don't know, about "how good or bad a job he does".
 

CloakNNNdagger

Hall of Fame
Something with a hard shell protecting from being stepped on would make me feel better?
An upper hard shell is not what you need. If he has someone step on the top of the foot, you need the underfoot orthotic to prevent his mid foot from flattening out and again displacing the Lisfranc joint. Laces on top should be enough to maintain the foot securely to the orthotic. Actually, a hard shell against the top of the boney structures of a relatively freshly repaired foot wouldn't feel to good to begin with.
 

The Pencil Neck

Hall of Fame
Best to speak for yourself. You don't have the privilege of knowing what other people know, or don't know, about "how good or bad a job he does".
I know that none of the known, regular posters posting on this board knows how good or bad a job Schaub does at leading the team.
 

The Pencil Neck

Hall of Fame
The only way to know is if you're in the huddle with him.

None of the known, regular posters are players. If there are players posting on this board, then they're not known, regular posters. Most (if not all) of the people taking part in this discussion are known, regular posters.

Therefore, the discussion is between a bunch of people who don't really know and can't really say.
 
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