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Can Schaub lead them to the superbowl ???

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May 18, 2012 - Is Matt Schaub capable of leading the Texans to a Super Bowl? Despite throwing for 4,000+ yards in multiple seasons, despite multiple seasons with a 2/1 TD/INT ratio, despite a trip to the Pro-Bowl; fans still don't seem to be convinced that Schaub can get the job done. Is Schaub elite? Certainly not, no rational person would argue that. Schaub in my opinion is on that next tier after the elite QB's, who given enough talent around them, and I think the Texans have assembled that, can still take their team to the Super Bowl. Don't forget that before his injury, the Texans were 7-3 (4 wins without Andre Johnson), and were considered a favorite along with the Patriots to reach the Super Bowl.

Some fans have this image of Schaub as not clutch, as a guy not capable of leading a 4th quarter drive, but I think they suffer from term memory loss. Does he lead comebacks as often as Manning or Brady? No, but again, he's not elite. He does have his share of comeback victories though like in 2010 vs. the Redskins and Chiefs, and others he should have on his record but the defense gagged away the victory like in 2010 when he led the Texans to 20 4th quarter points against the Jets before the defense gave up 70 yards in 45 seconds. People don't remember that though, they remember that he's never played in a playoff game, and that injuries have cut short 3 of his seasons with the Texans. Making it worse, a 5th round rookie accomplished in his first attempt what Schaub never has. I however don't take that as a sign that Schaub isn't capable, or that Schaub has lost his spot as a team leader. I take that as the Texans finally have the pieces around their quarterback to make a run. Schaub never had a defense around him until last season and until Foster broke out, he didn't have a reliable running game. The pieces are in place, I expect to see them continue the type of play that got them to 7-3 last year before Schaub's injury.

Fans will continue to make angry phone calls when he throws a pick, but I don't believe the fans doubt reflects how the team feels. Players and coaches openly talked about David Carr's lack of effort, passion for the game, and leadership ability; you never hear that about Schaub. They believe he can get the job done. With a top 5 defense and the best running back in the game, you don't exactly need a Hall-of-Fame QB to win a championship. Fans are fickle, just think about how Philadelphia fans regard Donovan McNabb after he led them to a Super Bowl and 4 other NFC Title games. Fans can complain all they want, backup quarterbacks are always popular, but remember Yates' 3 picks vs. the Ravens in the divisional round; I think they would have won that game with Schaub.



i love the underline bold part, truiest thing i have ever seen a columist write for sure. And for all those who say schaub isnt clutch !!!!
 
Schaub would have a few more comeback wins if his defense could have held on to late leads .... I can think of two off the top of my head in 2010 - Jags , Jets.
 
Do the Cowboys SUCK

Oh HELL YEAH!!!!!!!


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In order for Schaub to lead us to a Superbowl he would have to stay healthy and finish a season. So the answer, for me, is no.
 
The question with Schaub is not ability, but it's durability. I have no doubt in my mind that if Schaub was healthy last years, we're in the Super Bowl.
 
Lets hope so or the Texans are screwed.

If he can stay healthy, then the answer would be yes.


Unfortunately history says he cant stay healthy, so the answer is no.
 
Look at how his injuries happened. It's mostly cheap shots and illegal hits. He's not the stoutest QB, but I don't think he's fragile.

In addition they aren't repetitive injuries. It's a concussion, then a shoulder, then a foot, etc. I get far more concerned when the same injury keeps cropping up.
 
Either way you slice it schaub has had a problem staying healthy. No disputing that.

Can he lead the team to a superbowl?

Sure, why not?
 
Who does Haynesworth play for now? Do they play against him next year? Dude is like Schaub's kryptonite. Haynesworth is to Schaub as Pollard is to the Patriots

If Schaub stays healthy then, yes, he can definately get a ring. Guy is almost ridiculously underrated. Can run for **** but makes up for being rediculously unathletic by being a smart qb. Is it just me or did Schaub actually run when he first got here. I seem to remember him having like a 18 yard rush straight up the middle his first year here against atl.
 
Schaub would have a few more comeback wins if his defense could have held on to late leads .... I can think of two off the top of my head in 2010 - Jags , Jets.

in that jags hail mary game there was some poor decision making and poor clock management on schuabs part that led to a turnover which set the jags up in hail mary distance...

the playoffs are a different animal, i need to see him come up clutch in the playoffs before we anoint him a superbowl caliber QB.. what we do know is that hes a qb that wont put a team in the playoffs without a top 10 defense..
 
Who does Haynesworth play for now? Do they play against him next year? Dude is like Schaub's kryptonite. Haynesworth is to Schaub as Pollard is to the Patriots

If Schaub stays healthy then, yes, he can definately get a ring. Guy is almost ridiculously underrated. Can run for **** but makes up for being rediculously unathletic by being a smart qb. Is it just me or did Schaub actually run when he first got here. I seem to remember him having like a 18 yard rush straight up the middle his first year here against atl.

That was HWWNBM .... and he was injured at the time. :bubbles:
 
7 4th qtr comebacks, 10 game winning drives.

The above shows wins only.

The two below account for Schaub's play regardless of the defense, running back fumbles/interceptions and coaching blunders.



In games decided by eight or fewer points since 2007, Schaub, 30, has a 99.1 rating - the highest in the*league.

In the last eight minutes of games, Schaub has thrown 52 touchdown passes and only 22 interceptions. He's the only quarterback among the top five with 30 more touchdowns than*interceptions.

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The quarterbacks with the highest passer rating in games decided by eight or fewer points since 2007 (minimum 500 attempts):
Player	Comp.	Att.	Yards	TD	INT	Passer rating
Matt Schaub	737	1,108	9,103	52	22	99.1
Drew Brees	853	1,247	9,306	61	32	95.8
Aaron Rodgers	539	838	6,639	39	18	95.3
Eli Manning	519	835	6,203	46	17	94.7
Philip Rivers	713	1,119	9,016	54	34	92.2

From 10-7-2011 Chron: read entire article
 
Now I see what you're saying...... WHILE he was playing FOR Atlanta.

No. That was schaubs first year here. I remember it was a big deal since he was going back to play atl. That's was the year of the mike vick thing. Joey Harrington was their qb..... And somehow joey freakin harrington torched us. Smith kept sending obvious heavy blitzes and harrington would find someone wideopen underneath. Repeatedly
 
7 4th qtr comebacks, 10 game winning drives.

The above shows wins only.

The two below account for Schaub's play regardless of the defense, running back fumbles/interceptions and coaching blunders.

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The quarterbacks with the highest passer rating in games decided by eight or fewer points since 2007 (minimum 500 attempts):
Player	Comp.	Att.	Yards	TD	INT	Passer rating
Matt Schaub	737	1,108	9,103	52	22	99.1
Drew Brees	853	1,247	9,306	61	32	95.8
Aaron Rodgers	539	838	6,639	39	18	95.3
Eli Manning	519	835	6,203	46	17	94.7
Philip Rivers	713	1,119	9,016	54	34	92.2

From 10-7-2011 Chron: read entire article

That's impressive stuff, there! I think I missed that article.
 
Schaub running for 12 yards? Damn, that defense must've been swiss cheese. It takes Schaub about 5 minutes to run a yard.
 
Key word to me is "lead" and I do not consider Schaub much of a leader. Seriously doubt he can, but then again I seriously doubt he will ever take another regular season snap for the Texans. We will see.
 
No. That was schaubs first year here. I remember it was a big deal since he was going back to play atl. That's was the year of the mike vick thing. Joey Harrington was their qb..... And somehow joey freakin harrington torched us. Smith kept sending obvious heavy blitzes and harrington would find someone wideopen underneath. Repeatedly

Well I posted the box score and rushing stats for Schaub that game. Like I said his longest rush was 12 yards. Not bad for HIM though.
 
Screw "GETTIN THERE"! Can he WIN one!? Fran Tarkenton, Ken Anderson, Ron Jaworski, Boomer Esiason, Jim Kelly, (The Steeler QB who shall remain nameless), Matt Hasselbeck, Donovan McNabb and FREAKIN REX GROSSMAN could GET YOU THERE. To quote Al Davis "Just win baby." Screw GETTIN there!



:thinking: Better question, can Bill lead us to the Stupor Bowl? :barman:
 
Key word to me is "lead" and I do not consider Schaub much of a leader. Seriously doubt he can, but then again I seriously doubt he will ever take another regular season snap for the Texans. We will see.

Look, you have made your dislike for Schaub well known and that is fine. But this constant haranguing on him is now reflecting much more on you than on him. Every single player, coach, commentator who has seen him up close has said the guy is a leader. Give it a rest for your own sake. You act as if your saying enough negative things on a MB is going to tilt the decision making by the Texans. JMO.
 
Look, you have made your dislike for Schaub well known and that is fine. But this constant haranguing on him is now reflecting much more on you than on him. Every single player, coach, commentator who has seen him up close has said the guy is a leader. Give it a rest for your own sake. You act as if your saying enough negative things on a MB is going to tilt the decision making by the Texans. JMO.

I dont act like anything.

I am simply giviing my opinion in response to a question.
 
Some people wouldn't believe Schaub is a leader if he put on a skirt and pom-pom'ed his way up and down the sideline. Opinions :shrug:
 
I do believe Schaub shares a lot of qualities with Chandler. Answer to the "Title" question depends on a lot of things...

Maybe he never makes it, or maybe he makes it a couple times and wins both of them. I hope it's the latter. :texflag:
 
Some people wouldn't believe Schaub is a leader if he put on a skirt and pom-pom'ed his way up and down the sideline. Opinions :shrug:

Guess it depends on what your personal perception of leadership is.

I don't really want to know what coaches or players or whoever says about Matt. Chances are many on his team who say he is a good leader, it may be because he leaves them alone when they screw-up. To them that may be a sign of a leader letting the player make mistakes and learn from them on their own. To me it isn't leadership.

My personal perception is that based on the skills I look for in a leader (and I have to hire them all the time ... but obviously not for professional sports) that Schaub is not the type I would personally put up there as a good leader. Does that mean that someone else may consider him a good leader? Of course they may. Many prefer quiet leadership, more of a lead by example type thing, whereas I tend to lean toward the more vocal and animated leaders who lead both by example, and putting a foot in your ass when you need it.

Just one mans opinion.
 
IMO, we will only have him on roster one more year regardless of how he performs.

Regardless of how he performs?

I don't know about that...

If he somehow manages to play lights out and leads us deep into the play-offs or to the superbowl we'd be silly not to bring him back.

Now the likelihood of that happening is debatable, but I'm just saying his performance this year will probably determine his future here...
 
My personal perception is that based on the skills I look for in a leader (and I have to hire them all the time ... but obviously not for professional sports) that Schaub is not the type I would personally put up there as a good leader. Does that mean that someone else may consider him a good leader? Of course they may. Many prefer quiet leadership, more of a lead by example type thing, whereas I tend to lean toward the more vocal and animated leaders who lead both by example, and putting a foot in your ass when you need it.

Just one mans opinion.

You've got no idea if Schaub hasn't stuck his foot up someone's ass when they screw up or not. Lord knows, he sure seemed to get in Jacoby's face enough times. But unless you're in the locker room and in the meeting rooms, you really have no idea who Schaub is or what sort of leadership style he has.
 
You've got no idea if Schaub hasn't stuck his foot up someone's ass when they screw up or not. Lord knows, he sure seemed to get in Jacoby's face enough times. But unless you're in the locker room and in the meeting rooms, you really have no idea who Schaub is or what sort of leadership style he has.

He also has no idea what is said in the huddle. Although we did hear he turned the team around in his first year when significantly down by going into the huddle and telling them "OK we have them right where we want them."

He also is well documented as spending all sorts of time with other players essentially coaching them. That is leadership.

All this looking for histrionics always cracks me up.
 
You've got no idea if Schaub hasn't stuck his foot up someone's ass when they screw up or not. Lord knows, he sure seemed to get in Jacoby's face enough times. But unless you're in the locker room and in the meeting rooms, you really have no idea who Schaub is or what sort of leadership style he has.

I agree with you my perception is based on limited information. The only thing I can comment on is what we see on the field, and what I see during home games on the side-line. He may very well be different behind closed doors.
 
So what starting QB's aren't good leaders? Blaine Gabbert and. . . hmmmmm. . . who else?
 
Guess it depends on what your personal perception of leadership is.

I don't really want to know what coaches or players or whoever says about Matt. Chances are many on his team who say he is a good leader, it may be because he leaves them alone when they screw-up. To them that may be a sign of a leader letting the player make mistakes and learn from them on their own. To me it isn't leadership.

My personal perception is that based on the skills I look for in a leader (and I have to hire them all the time ... but obviously not for professional sports) that Schaub is not the type I would personally put up there as a good leader. Does that mean that someone else may consider him a good leader? Of course they may. Many prefer quiet leadership, more of a lead by example type thing, whereas I tend to lean toward the more vocal and animated leaders who lead both by example, and putting a foot in your ass when you need it.

Just one mans opinion.

So Rex Ryan would be your type of guy....?
:wadepalm:

...and you must really HATE Andre Johnson...
 
Guess it depends on what your personal perception of leadership is.

I don't really want to know what coaches or players or whoever says about Matt. Chances are many on his team who say he is a good leader, it may be because he leaves them alone when they screw-up. To them that may be a sign of a leader letting the player make mistakes and learn from them on their own. To me it isn't leadership.

My personal perception is that based on the skills I look for in a leader (and I have to hire them all the time ... but obviously not for professional sports) that Schaub is not the type I would personally put up there as a good leader. Does that mean that someone else may consider him a good leader? Of course they may. Many prefer quiet leadership, more of a lead by example type thing, whereas I tend to lean toward the more vocal and animated leaders who lead both by example, and putting a foot in your ass when you need it.

Just one mans opinion.

I agree with you my perception is based on limited information. The only thing I can comment on is what we see on the field, and what I see during home games on the side-line. He may very well be different behind closed doors.

Probably not someone who would make baseless accusations and then say, these are baseless accusations.
 
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