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Casserly's Draft Comments this AM on SR610

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nunusguy

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Don't know if anyone else is listening to Casserly on 610 this morning, but
he's going on about well how CP is doing at LT and how much stronger he is
than his rookie year. Given the problems of our OL, this begs the question -
why didn't they go right to CP at the beginning of the year if they decided to
drop Seth Wand as the LT, instead of fooling around with a journeyman RT like Riley ? These guys just go around and around in circles on these OL
issues.
 
nunusguy said:
Don't know if anyone else is listening to Casserly on 610 this morning, but
he's going on about well how CP is doing at LT and how much stronger he is
than his rookie year. Given the problems of our OL, this begs the question -
why didn't they go right to CP at the beginning of the year if they decided to
drop Seth Wand as the LT, instead of fooling around with a journeyman RT like Riley ? These guys just go around and around in circles on these OL
issues.
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I am, and also wonder why I can see that Chester is the best LT on the squad and it takes our Coaching staff half a season to figure it out. Chester got some pretty high praise...but I get bashed for saying it here. Go figure.
 
I'm sure a few of you caught this as well, but Casserly was on SR610 this morning and a caller asked him what the draft process was and who had what say about players when coaches and the GM may disagree on things. He responded --

a.) Players that will be changing positions, he relies on the coaches' input primarily.

b.) Players that they think may have issues learning the position or system, he relies on the coaches' input primarily.

c.) Straight draft picks where the player will not be changing positions, he relies primarily on the scouting department and any coaches that have worked with the player (possibly the Texans' staff, depending on the situation).

d.) If he has seen and evaluated the player, he sometimes uses his opinion as a tiebreaker.

e.) Anytime there is a big money decision, the coaches have to buy into it.

f.) For free agency decisions, the Texans coaching staff and scouts sit down in a room and review film and have meetings. They also talk to coaches that have worked with players along the way. They are very concerned about off-field issues. Occasionally, they think they can overcome whatever problems and they pull the trigger anyway. Coaches have full buy-in for these types of decisions.

These are the things that stuck in my head. I'm sure a few of you caught more of the segment and can add comments.
 
Sounds like a real question was asked and received a real answer. Nice for a change.
 
I don't think it matters anymore what he says or thinks. I think he's history after this season.
 
Regarding the Chester Pitts thing, it has frustrated me to no end how this staff has handled him. He has done the best job at LT from any players we've had. He may not fit Capers' stereotypical LT, but results have to count somewhere here. As bad as Wand was early in the season last year, he improved somewhat and now he doesn't even get a chance, as another example of Capers' poor management. I know these guys are better players than what we've seen to this point.

Casserly's statements regarding the draft process really hinted on a couple players we've taken as well, and it's a shame to see Capers getting that much input. Well, I guess he has to, but he's demonstrated that he's not going to turn Babin into the next Kevin Greene, even if Babin does have the talent. The coaching staff should have developed several players in a better manner to this point. Off the top of my head -

Babin - show some technique, please

Pitts - shows flashes, but needs technique work

Wand - was slowly getting better

Wiegert - good run blocker, needs pass pro work

Peek - play to your player's strengths please

Wells - has gotten better and he has the talent, but still makes mistakes that can be coached away

Earl - won the starting job last year, but can't find the field this year?

Kenny Wright - you thought Faggins was better? Coach him up then. They are both about equal in talent, I'd estimate, but Wright is playing well for his stature.

Anyway, I am just through with this coaching regime. I know we should be getting better production from our players before we can gauge what we need from a talent standpoint.
 
:brickwall The Texans brass is an amazing unit . Take Chester for example ... he is the best LT on the team yet they insist on putting him at guard . How do you have faith in the coaching when as a player you know their screwing up . Then you promote the OL coach to OC .
 
eriadoc said:
I'm sure a few of you caught this as well, but Casserly was on SR610 this morning and a caller asked him what the draft process was and who had what say about players when coaches and the GM may disagree on things. He responded --

a.) Players that will be changing positions, he relies on the coaches' input primarily.

b.) Players that they think may have issues learning the position or system, he relies on the coaches' input primarily.

c.) Straight draft picks where the player will not be changing positions, he relies primarily on the scouting department and any coaches that have worked with the player (possibly the Texans' staff, depending on the situation).

d.) If he has seen and evaluated the player, he sometimes uses his opinion as a tiebreaker.

e.) Anytime there is a big money decision, the coaches have to buy into it.

f.) For free agency decisions, the Texans coaching staff and scouts sit down in a room and review film and have meetings. They also talk to coaches that have worked with players along the way. They are very concerned about off-field issues. Occasionally, they think they can overcome whatever problems and they pull the trigger anyway. Coaches have full buy-in for these types of decisions.

These are the things that stuck in my head. I'm sure a few of you caught more of the segment and can add comments.
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Is it passing the buck time? ..

With that being said by Casserly ... and if it's all reality .. what exactly does Casserly do?
Sounds like a pretty cushy job to me.
 
I see no reason to have Casserly if Capers is making the majority of these decisions, let's just go ahead and have a Head Coach/GM position. If Casserly gets no fault, he gets no credit either.
 
I think the coaching staff simply has very little understanding of talent evaluation...GM included. If we apply certain rules to players, wouldn't coaches/GM's be under similar scrutiny?

By that, I mean, Hollings runs a 4.3. GREAT, START HIM! Nope, we can't because he does other things poorly.

Can't we now assume that after seeing Casserly and Capers that in THIS situation they may 'run a 4.3' in certain areas but do others areas so poorly that a change needs to made? It's not wrong to say that the fit isn't right anymore. Hollings may play in Arizona but not here. Casserly and Capers may work somewhere else...just not here any longer.

I just think they're doing too many things poorly...as I do of Carr, too be quite honest!
 
Vinny said:
I am, and also wonder why I can see that Chester is the best LT on the squad and it takes our Coaching staff half a season to figure it out. Chester got some pretty high praise...but I get bashed for saying it here. Go figure.
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hopefully casserley wasnt talking about the first half of the seatle game. if he was including that then im concerened about his ability to evaluate our players.

if you go back and look at our thread at hpf you will notice i commented on pitts having a much improved first half performance against indy.
 
markbeth said:
hopefully casserley wasnt talking about the first half of the seatle game. if he was including that then im concerened about his ability to evaluate our players.

if you go back and look at our thread at hpf you will notice i commented on pitts having a much improved first half performance against indy.
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Wistrom had 2 tackles in that game. His only sack was against Rivers as well. Nice try though.
 
SESupergenius said:
I see no reason to have Casserly if Capers is making the majority of these decisions, let's just go ahead and have a Head Coach/GM position. If Casserly gets no fault, he gets no credit either.
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There have been coaches that have been a combination of coach and GM and to be honest, I'm not sure I know where the line is drawn between the two positions. I would think that it's a lot of information to digest for one person, but there certainly needs to be a great deal of synergy between the two positions. The other aspect of this is Casserly's responsibilities to McNair. From what I've heard on the radio from Richard Justice and John McClain, McNair trusts Casserly and is unlikely to let him go. So if we get a good coaching staff and all of a sudden these picks work out, due to proper coaching, how much responsibility/credit does Casserly take? I get the feeling that many of you will be unwilling to give credit to Casserly if they work out, while you are more than willing to pile on if they do not work out. Hence, the question.
 
i had other things i had to take care of and wasnt able to listen to anymore about the time lance asked him about evaluating free agents...

as for the draft comments casserly struck me as completly sincere for once (no bs---probably out of frustration).

i think it was a good look into how they operate (for those of u who wonder what charley does all day i dont think its much diffrent then any other gm).

i also think it was a dammage control oppurtunity. i think he was candid because of all the people wanting to drop his name in the bucket.
 
Parcells gets the credit for drafted players, why can't we have a head coach who runs things the same way as him, and is there a possible new coach out there. and by the way casserly isn;t so bad, at first until the travis johnson pick it seemed like every move they made was golden and since were losing, everything is being questioned, I think travis johnson will eventually work out and so will babin, I remember being mad about the dunta pick, but look how he turned out.
 
eriadoc said:
I'm sure a few of you caught this as well, but Casserly was on SR610 this morning and a caller asked him what the draft process was and who had what say about players when coaches and the GM may disagree on things. He responded --

a.) Players that will be changing positions, he relies on the coaches' input primarily.

b.) Players that they think may have issues learning the position or system, he relies on the coaches' input primarily.

c.) Straight draft picks where the player will not be changing positions, he relies primarily on the scouting department and any coaches that have worked with the player (possibly the Texans' staff, depending on the situation).

d.) If he has seen and evaluated the player, he sometimes uses his opinion as a tiebreaker.

e.) Anytime there is a big money decision, the coaches have to buy into it.

f.) For free agency decisions, the Texans coaching staff and scouts sit down in a room and review film and have meetings. They also talk to coaches that have worked with players along the way. They are very concerned about off-field issues. Occasionally, they think they can overcome whatever problems and they pull the trigger anyway. Coaches have full buy-in for these types of decisions.

These are the things that stuck in my head. I'm sure a few of you caught more of the segment and can add comments.
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Its what a number of us have been saying. Casserly depends on Capers and his staff to a very large degree and does not make decisions on his own in a vaccumm. He delegates and the coaching staff has a very large say in who is picked up and where they will play. Carr and AJ are examples of probably a Casserly decision, but TJ and Babin are Capers and his staffs decisions. I would be Mathis is a Casserly decision. DD is somewhere in between and Wand and BJ are again Capers and his staff's call based on the Senior Bowl game where they were the coaches. You can say what you want, but Capers and his staff are the biggest single problem associated with this ball club. Forget everyone else.
 
Ibar_Harry said:
Capers and his staff are the biggest single problem associated with this ball club. Forget everyone else.
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i agree full heartedly. if you look to my post in "10 game off season", you'll find a suggestion that gets the best of both worlds.
 
College Texan said:
Parcells gets the credit for drafted players, why can't we have a head coach who runs things the same way as him, and is there a possible new coach out there. and by the way casserly isn;t so bad, at first until the travis johnson pick it seemed like every move they made was golden and since were losing, everything is being questioned, I think travis johnson will eventually work out and so will babin, I remember being mad about the dunta pick, but look how he turned out.
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I think if you draft a player that is supposed to be a first-year impact player, the GM has to take a bit more responsibility for that pick. If it's a player that is a later-round pick and needs some coaching, then the coaching staff gets credit/takes blame for not developing that player. Anything beyond the third round is almost like Vegas gambling anyway. There's no doubt that a lot of Casserly's evaluation in Houston will ride on Carr's career. Carr has had 50 starts already, so it's getting to the point where that's going to come to pass, whether it's fair or not. However, to be fair, Carr has not been put in a position to succeed, so it's hard to draw conclusions. IMO, Casserly and Carr have one more year, with a new coaching staff, to determine their fate. In the meantime, the team should be making contingency plans.
 
Ibar_Harry said:
but TJ and Babin are Capers and his staffs decisions.
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And they still may pan out. You want to give Carr 50+ games to show his potential but you want to give no time for some of the newer guys...but then again...they aren't Fresno St products!

Vinny here...just testing the account groups. :yahoo:
 
Vinny said:
Wistrom had 2 tackles in that game. His only sack was against Rivers as well. Nice try though.
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just cause winstrom didnt have great stats doesnt mean pitts had a good first half. i saw with my own eyes.
 
Test Account said:
And they still may pan out. You want to give Carr 50+ games to show his potential but you want to give no time for some of the newer guys...but then again...they aren't Fresno St products!

Vinny here...just testing the account groups. :yahoo:
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I don't recall seeing too many people giving up on TJ yet, and there are a few for Babin, but I think they'd be in the minority. I agree with IBAR in that this coaching staff is the single biggest issue with this team. Unfortunately, that means 10 more weeks of subpar football.
 
Test Account said:
And they still may pan out. You want to give Carr 50+ games to show his potential but you want to give no time for some of the newer guys...but then again...they aren't Fresno St products!

Vinny here...just testing the account groups. :yahoo:
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Vinny, I'm not saying they won't. I'm simply saying that Casserly probably relied on the coaches, because they are people playing in a position they didn't primarily play in college. Wand and BJ I stated where probably Capers picks because of his 1st hand evaluation of thos players. I think what I said and what you are thinking I said are two different things.............
 
Well, hardly any team plays a 3-4 in College so every team that uses a 3-4 will ask their DE's and their OLB's to transition to a different postion. All the great 3-4 OLB's in the NFL have made the switch from Derrick Thomas to less than great Antwaan Peek.
 
Casserly passing the buck? is it the process itself thats to blame & not the GM or Coaching staff? then I say wipe the slate clean after all they're the ones who created it, because they are ALL RESPONSIBLE.

As far as Chester being the best young offensive linemen on the Texans after four years how sad is that. lets don't fool ourselves into thinking he is our LT of the future even if he is the best option now. Pitts belongs at LG. The majority of the offensive line woes has to be at the feet of Pendry who changed schemes, demoted Wand and moved guys around like Chinese Checkers.

The Texans have always drafted for need over the best player available, unless it comes to the offensive line, for some reason, possibly salary cap reasons or the staff is telling Casserly they're fine here and need help elsewhere?
 
Casserly and his flunkies are out in force engaging in damage control. If Casserly is the toady for the coaching staff he is making himself out to be, he needs to get his butt fired too.
 
markbeth said:
just cause winstrom didnt have great stats doesnt mean pitts had a good first half. i saw with my own eyes.
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Agree. Pitts had a few penalties in the first half. That alone makes for a bad first half. Our offense is pathetic and setting us back another five yards is catastrophic.
 
SESupergenius said:
I see no reason to have Casserly if Capers is making the majority of these decisions, let's just go ahead and have a Head Coach/GM position.
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Put that on the table and Jimmy Johnson will be calling us.
 
:texflag: I agree CC's trying to keep a job . If he did his job in the 1st place he would not have to pass the Buck . If he allowed the coaches to make decisions it was still on him ... he chose to delegate .
 
I wouldn't mind if Casserly is out the door, but my gut instinct tells me that Capers and his staff go and the GM stays.
 
TheOgre said:
my gut instinct tells me that Capers and his staff go and the GM stays.
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It is hard for me to imagine an offseason scenario that doesn't include a
Capers exit, unless he somehow runs the table beginning in Reliant Sunday. I dunno...its hard to be worse than 0-6, but when you consider we were really
only in one of those games (Cinci) and we had 7 wins last year, etc. I gotta
think Capers' '05 post season time as a Houston resident will be brief.
 
How long was Casserly with the Redskins? It seems to me that during Joe Gibbs first run he coached the hell out of lesser talent (i.e. coaching 3 different QBs in the Super Bowl). After Gibbs they were just trying to fill holes with big name players like Deion Sanders. We all know Heath Shuler was a bust, so what exactly has been Casserly's acheivements.

Caper's 3-4 Defense is flawed and there are too many teams playing the 3-4, so DL and LBs appropriate for the 3-4 are scarce. If we switch to the 4-3 how would our current DLs and LBs fit?
 
I think with the performance of this team, there's enough blame to go around. Anyone who thinks Casserly did not play a significant role in getting our team to this point is kidding themselves. The GM must work with the coaching staff in his decisions regarding personnel, that's only logical. How much of a role did Casserly play in hiring Capers? Who knows besides those two and Mr. McNair. With the way all involved have whiffed so far with our 2nd and 3rd round picks every year, I don't think either should be retained. I don't care about prior performance. Their jobs with this organization to date have been substantially sub-par.
 
beerlover said:
The Texans have always drafted for need over the best player available, unless it comes to the offensive line, for some reason, possibly salary cap reasons or the staff is telling Casserly they're fine here and need help elsewhere?
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Really?? this definately not the rhetoric that Casserly preaches. He spouts for BPA philosophy than any GM in the league.
 
mean mark8 said:
I think with the performance of this team, there's enough blame to go around....Their jobs with this organization to date have been substantially sub-par.
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There ya go.

If you are 0-6 and have not had a lead in a single game, it is a total organizational breakdown. There is a lot of time spent on this board trying to figure out who is more or less etc. It is the whole shooting match administation, coaching and players.
 
wags said:
Agree. Pitts had a few penalties in the first half. That alone makes for a bad first half. Our offense is pathetic and setting us back another five yards is catastrophic.
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it wasnt just the penalties. winstrom was constantly making pitts look bad. just so happens the rest of the line is so bad winstrom would be the second or 3rd guy in on the slaughter. or the play would go the other way.
 
SESupergenius said:
I see no reason to have Casserly if Capers is making the majority of these decisions, let's just go ahead and have a Head Coach/GM position. If Casserly gets no fault, he gets no credit either.
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Most coach/GM gigs never work out for one man. There is too much to do at each position, and you need someone that is near genius level to be successful at both. I'd prefer a coach that spends 100% of his time on coaching, not dealing with agents, salary cap management, etc.

Personally, my jury is still out on Casserly. I'd like to see another HC come in and see what can be done with most of our existing players. I think this team could win under a different regime. They just don't believe in Coach Capers' system anymore, and I think Capers knows he's lost the team's confidence.

Most of us agree that the meltdown started last year. If you recall, we started off as a competitive team, and it wasn't until the end that they were struggling (culminating in the Browns debacle). That's not the GM's problem, but directly related to coaching.
 
I disagree about the implosion, I felt that with all the positional changes and injuries we'd struggle, winning 7 games as right on par for what I expected of them. The collapse started well into this years offseason
 
ArlingtonTexan said:
Really?? this definately not the rhetoric that Casserly preaches. He spouts for BPA philosophy than any GM in the league.
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EXACTLY!!! then he turns around and does the opposite, I can't figure it out other than he uses this to justify a player drafted for NEED who best fits the bpa his rhetoric supports. Otherwise his draft board looks distinctly different than the consensous around the league :rolleyes:
 
My thoughts ... Casserly is part of this spoiled regime. Anyone considering taking the HC job would probably think twice about wanting to be a part of that, and fall in line under his direction. It would probably seem like Doom (or Dom) from the get go to patch things that way.
We need a good strong fix, which really entails a new foundation, top to bottom.
 
beerlover said:
EXACTLY!!! then he turns around and does the opposite, I can't figure it out other than he uses this to justify a player drafted for NEED who best fits the bpa his rhetoric supports. Otherwise his draft board looks distinctly different than the consensous around the league :rolleyes:
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Actually, from things I have heard here and there following the draft for too many years, Casserly's reputation is that his evaluations do not follow the norm.
 
SassyTexan said:
My thoughts ... Casserly is part of this spoiled regime. Anyone considering taking the HC job would probably think twice about wanting to be a part of that, and fall in line under his direction. It would probably seem like Doom (or Dom) from the get go to patch things that way.
We need a good strong fix, which really entails a new foundation, top to bottom.
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we need a coach with more personel control then capers currently has. casserly can keep his job...we just need to wean his responsibilities some
 
powda said:
we need a coach with more personel control then capers currently has. casserly can keep his job...we just need to wean his responsibilities some
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What responsibilities? .. to hear Casserly tell it this morning, he is just a buffer in the chain of command. He claims that Capers and the Scouts have made all the decisions. He talks like he just inks the deals.:rolleyes:
 
he coordinates the entire orginization. the texans are far more then an onfield only product...but yes i heard that to.

consider what ur asking the guy to do though:

evaluate and solve all of our team problems

evaluate every player in the league and know whos worthwhile and worth going after

evaluate 100's...thousands even...of players in college

manage our cap

and bye the way he is a ceo of not just a team but a buisness.

its a lot for one man...ofcourse he distributes responsibility.


ill make an analogy----ever notice how many guys are great coordinators and when they finally get their shot at a head coaching position theyre horrible. the job description has changed and its more then they can do. its the peter principle. casserly needs a coach who can aide him in evaluating talent and what the team needs i think.

and dont get me wrong---im not saying he dosent deserve blame.
 
ArlingtonTexan said:
Actually, from things I have heard here and there following the draft for too many years, Casserly's reputation is that his evaluations do not follow the norm.
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Arlington your cracking me up :heh:

and I thought is was just me and a couple other posters on this board, go figure :sarcasm:
 
Vinny said:
Wistrom had 2 tackles in that game. His only sack was against Rivers as well. Nice try though.
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how bout this for a try.

14:55 pitts tries to block lb. lb sheds pitts block. in on tackle.

14:22 nice +20 yard run called back, pitts illegal formation.

13:39 winstrom beats pitts to inside helps with tackle on davis(in the backfield)

11:50 winstrom gets inside of pitts again. davis forced to go outside where he is stopped for short gain.

6:42 winstrom blows by pitts tries to let up bit pitts helps him into carr for late hit. fortunatly for carr it was a 4 yard pattern anything deeper and ragone is starting.

6:20 winstrom uses pitts again. pitts has to hold on the run outside. 10 yard penalty.

2cnd
14:00 another guy spins away from pitts and goes to help with tackle. pitts really needs to start getting inside of people.

12:40 pitts falls on ground. winstrom laughs and jumps over him. it was a short pass hopefully pitts knew it was a play he could take off. luckly the play didnt break down.

11:28 dt lined up on pitts. dt gets inside and into the backfield davis has to hurdle him. davis stopped no gain

00:40 almost 11:00 min and pitts hasnt made a mistake. oh yea! we didnt have the ball. winstrom gets past pitts extremly quick. looks like pitts might of held(no call). pitts guy only man in backfield

00:20 davis has huge hole to run. lb only man can stop him. pitts barely touches lb and goes on. lb tackles davis. cost us 10 yards.


you said pitts had a great game against seatle. i beg to differ. that was just the first half. he did play a lot better last weak against indy.
 
How about, I've seen the game, own a copy of it AND WE DID THIS BEFORE FOR FRIGGIN' HOURS at HPF, so I've already responded to you and found it's just a waste of time since we won't agree. Try to come to grips that you and I won't see eye to eye on this no matter how much you try to impose your spin on me with your breakdown. We have already done this on a play by play basis (why do this again other than for ego?). THIS JUST IN>>>>WE DID THIS AT ANOTHER SITE. It won't change what I think if you do it multiple times. I think you embellish your points on Pitts to try to prove yourself for some reason. Beats me...but I see what I see.

Anyone can cherry pick poor plays by everyone on the field. Every player is going to get beat...hell there are 22 grown men on that field and every player gets blocked or beats a block on one play or another. Pitts, Carr, Gaffney, Dunta...everyone will have poor plays.....I can do this with every player on the team...give it a rest. Pitts had a fine game and the people I've talked to who know what they are talking about seem to think the same thing.
 
Vinny said:
How about, I've seen the game, own a copy of it AND WE DID THIS BEFORE FOR FRIGGIN' HOURS at HPF, so I've already responded to you and found it's just a waste of time since we won't agree. Try to come to grips that you and I won't see eye to eye on this no matter how much you try to impose your spin on me with your breakdown. We have already done this on a play by play basis (why do this again other than for ego?). THIS JUST IN>>>>WE DID THIS AT ANOTHER SITE. It won't change what I think if you do it multiple times. I think you embellish your points on Pitts to try to prove yourself for some reason. Beats me...but I see what I see.

Anyone can cherry pick poor plays by everyone on the field. Every player is going to get beat...hell there are 22 grown men on that field and every player gets blocked or beats a block on one play or another. Pitts, Carr, Gaffney, Dunta...everyone will have poor plays.....I can do this with every player on the team...give it a rest. Pitts had a fine game and the people I've talked to who know what they are talking about seem to think the same thing.
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actually i never broke pitts down play by play. i just commented on what you had wrote. most of these plays we never discussed.

and there were some knowledgeble people who agreed with me. such as the o-line article written discussing his poor play, the anouncers harping on his play, and others here who have said he played poorly.
 
caddy said:
After reading a few of your posts, and having my retort deleated when I responded to a slam against the coaching staff ... I can understand the job you doing is slanted against the staff. One question.. where is your bar of soap.
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My bar of soap is on proud display.

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To be clear, my main issue with the coaching staff is the fact that they have gotten better production from this same group of players in the past. Other teams get adequate production from less-than-premium players. We don't. We have seen a few less-than-premium players leave here and perform adequately on other teams. I think it's clear that we have better talent than our production would indicate, even if they are not Pro-Bowlers. Given all that, it seems fairly clear to me that a coaching change is in order.

That's my line of reasoning, anyway ... /shrug
 
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