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Blake

Blake

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I have come to the conclusion that the Texans have 2 choices. Take Nick Perry @ 26, then trade up in the 2nd to snag whichever WR dropped out of the first round, or trade the house for Justin Blackmon.

Texans mimic last years Julio Jones trade up and swap with the St. Louis Rams who have already cashed in from the Washington Redskins.

Rams Get:
2012 Round 1: #26 overall.
2012 Round 2: #58 overall.
2012 Round 4: #121 overall.
2013 Round 1: #XX overall.

Texans Get:
2012 Round 1: #6 overall.

1.6) Justin Blackmon, WR, Oklahoma State
Blackmon has 3300 yards and 38 touchdowns on 233 catches over the past 2 seasons. Not to mention 2 Biletnikoff trophies. He will excel as WR#2 and fill in at WR#1 if AJ ever gets injured. I have been watching this guy make plays for 2 years and I would not flinch if this deal, or even a little more was made.



Texans still have picks in round 3, 4, 5, 6, and 7 this year.
 
In this scenario I'd stay put and take Nick Perry at #26. Blackmon is the best receiver this year but he's not Julio Jones, who I think is a much better WR, and not worth giving up all those picks.
 
I wouldn't have done it for Julio Jones if I were the Falcons, and while Blackmon's the best WR in this year's draft class, I think Jones was and is a better prospect.
 
Blake said:
I have come to the conclusion that the Texans have 2 choices. Take Nick Perry @ 26, then trade up in the 2nd to snag whichever WR dropped out of the first round, or trade the house for Justin Blackmon.

Texans mimic last years Julio Jones trade up and swap with the St. Louis Rams who have already cashed in from the Washington Redskins.

Rams Get:
2012 Round 1: #26 overall.
2012 Round 2: #58 overall.
2012 Round 4: #121 overall.
2013 Round 1: #XX overall.

Texans Get:
2012 Round 1: #6 overall.

1.6) Justin Blackmon, WR, Oklahoma State
Blackmon has 3300 yards and 38 touchdowns on 233 catches over the past 2 seasons. Not to mention 2 Biletnikoff trophies. He will excel as WR#2 and fill in at WR#1 if AJ ever gets injured. I have been watching this guy make plays for 2 years and I would not flinch if this deal, or even a little more was made.



Texans still have picks in round 3, 4, 5, 6, and 7 this year.
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Why I outta kick yer azz!! I thought we actually traded up. Lol.
 
Blake said:
I have come to the conclusion that the Texans have 2 choices. Take Nick Perry @ 26, then trade up in the 2nd to snag whichever WR dropped out of the first round, or trade the house for Justin Blackmon.

Texans mimic last years Julio Jones trade up and swap with the St. Louis Rams who have already cashed in from the Washington Redskins.

Rams Get:
2012 Round 1: #26 overall.
2012 Round 2: #58 overall.
2012 Round 4: #121 overall.
2013 Round 1: #XX overall.

Texans Get:
2012 Round 1: #6 overall.

1.6) Justin Blackmon, WR, Oklahoma State
Blackmon has 3300 yards and 38 touchdowns on 233 catches over the past 2 seasons. Not to mention 2 Biletnikoff trophies. He will excel as WR#2 and fill in at WR#1 if AJ ever gets injured. I have been watching this guy make plays for 2 years and I would not flinch if this deal, or even a little more was made.



Texans still have picks in round 3, 4, 5, 6, and 7 this year.
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Absolutely no way nor do I want an OLB in first. We need a starter and a hole filler like Fleener who can play TE and WR. If I were Rams I'd laugh at that offer for #6 as picks too low in each round.
 
ChampionTexan said:
I wouldn't have done it for Julio Jones if I were the Falcons...
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While Jones proved to be a very good WR, and should get better, the trade did nothing for the Falcons. They could have taken Torrey Smith (who had similar production) and still be able to get help for their offensive or defensive line in this draft.

Only QBs are worth trading future picks for. And even then, you've got to be sure and a little lucky. No way do the Texans trade their draft for a WR.
 
I say we trade all those picks for Tannehill, pick up Vince Young, trade Schaub and Andre for RG3, and rotate all three QB's to get a lock on the Big 12 South market.

Or we can take Perry at #26.
 
Lucky said:
While Jones proved to be a very good WR, and should get better, the trade did nothing for the Falcons. They could have taken Torrey Smith (who had similar production) and still be able to get help for their offensive or defensive line in this draft.

Only QBs are worth trading future picks for. And even then, you've got to be sure and a little lucky. No way do the Texans trade their draft for a WR.
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The Texans aren't aggressive like this any way. You're right that they would never do this for a WR or even a QB for that matter. They're a play it safe organization.
 
Brisco_County said:
I say we trade all those picks for Tannehill, pick up Vince Young, trade Schaub and Andre for RG3, and rotate all three QB's to get a lock on the Big 12 South market.

Or we can take Perry at #26.
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All right! Uh wait who we gonna throw the ball to? No AJ, OD and Walter will be triple teamed as no one else can catch. We will be a running team for sure but then we will not need a passing QB so I guess 3 will be the Running Man.
 
Lucky said:
While Jones proved to be a very good WR, and should get better, the trade did nothing for the Falcons. They could have taken Torrey Smith (who had similar production) and still be able to get help for their offensive or defensive line in this draft.

Only QBs are worth trading future picks for. And even then, you've got to be sure and a little lucky. No way do the Texans trade their draft for a WR.
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While I agree with you that trading for Julio didn't net return expected it's just one year, rookie year in fact. This was a long term deal to ensure Matt Ryan had a premium WR & Roddy White good as he is, like Andre, will naturally decline with age.
 
beerlover said:
While I agree with you that trading for Julio didn't net return expected it's just one year, rookie year in fact. This was a long term deal to ensure Matt Ryan had a premium WR & Roddy White good as he is, like Andre, will naturally decline with age.
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But atl gave up way too much. Torey smith was just as good and could have been had at atl's pick.

#6: Cleveland → Atlanta. (D) Cleveland traded this pick to Atlanta for Atlanta's first (27th overall, which later became #26), second (59th) and fourth-rounder (124th) and also Atlanta's first- and fourth-round selections in 2012.

Way too much.
 
Doppelganger said:
But atl gave up way too much. Torey smith was just as good and could have been had at atl's pick.

#6: Cleveland → Atlanta. (D) Cleveland traded this pick to Atlanta for Atlanta's first (27th overall, which later became #26), second (59th) and fourth-rounder (124th) and also Atlanta's first- and fourth-round selections in 2012.

Way too much.
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ATL gave up too much for Jones imo but no way will Torey SMith have same career as Julio. Let's give both another two years.
 
badboy said:
ATL gave up too much for Jones imo but no way will Torey SMith have same career as Julio. Let's give both another two years.
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I don't know. Torrey smith looked real good a last year. But, you are right, we need to give them both a couple of years rather than jump to conclusions.
 
badboy said:
All right! Uh wait who we gonna throw the ball to? No AJ, OD and Walter will be triple teamed as no one else can catch. We will be a running team for sure but then we will not need a passing QB so I guess 3 will be the Running Man.
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All three QB's are mobile. They will run five yards on 50% of all plays, forcing the safety to come up and leave a guy open. With three QB's, we can sustain the injuries.
 
Wolf6151 said:
In this scenario I'd stay put and take Nick Perry at #26. Blackmon is the best receiver this year but he's not Julio Jones, who I think is a much better WR, and not worth giving up all those picks.
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This

The Texans have to figure out Schaub's health before they start making moves like this.

I would like Rick/Gary to consider trading ug to 15 if an impact player like DeCastro or Floyd falls.
 
Doppelganger said:
But atl gave up way too much. Torey smith was just as good and could have been had at atl's pick.

#6: Cleveland → Atlanta. (D) Cleveland traded this pick to Atlanta for Atlanta's first (27th overall, which later became #26), second (59th) and fourth-rounder (124th) and also Atlanta's first- and fourth-round selections in 2012.

Way too much.
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Julio Jones was an ascending player who blew up the combine, he had one of the most impressive workouts I've ever seen across spectrum of tests. He was also considered top 10 talent, much like Blackmon so Atlanta moved up to secure him #6 overall. Torrey Smith was rated #38 prospect & slid a bit to #58 something I hope that Brian Quick will do for the Texans this year.

Jones was hampered by injury's & missed valueable game time off & on never quite getting rounded into form until end of the season. In the last four games Julio scored 6 TD's, 20 receptions almost 400 yards & 20 yard per catch average. Torrey Smith actually did the reverse, hit the rookie wall & began to decline towards end of season. His last four games produced only 2 TD's, 18 receptions for almost 200 yards almost half the average yards per catch & one third the red zone threat.

So before anybody calls out Atlanta, saying "they gave up too much" or that Torrey Smith is "just as good" that would be a misconception, these are valid points to consider. Jones showed his potential, I expect him to become a dominant WR in this league, his adjustment period looks over to me & Falcons will start reaping results of that draft day decision. If the Texans could trade up to 6th spot & give up similar package I wouldn't hesitate to make that call :phone:
 
It really does not matter that Jones is a better player than Torrey smith, it matters if the Falcons are better with a potential superstar WR or just a solid deep threat with 3 or 4 good players across the depth chart.

If the continue to win and be a playoff team with a high quality ofense, then the trade worked. If they fall off because they are weaker in other spots then no. Lots of gray area and things beyong their control the confused the issue more.
 
Sorry if the title gave anyone a heart attack. Don't kick my ass!

I simply think Blackmon is an elite player at a huge position of need for us. If you don't think we need a serious upgrade at WR after seeing AJ go down last year then I don't know what to say. Blackmon has been tearing up the NCAA for 2 years now and has very little baggage. Some say he is not as good as Dez, but I think Blackmon is better and not a retard.

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Nope. Deep draft, not worth trading up for one player, especially Blackmon, who is a lot of hype.
 
Blake said:
How is he hype?

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He is average sized, not overly fast, strong or explosive. I see a solid pro receiver, and if he dropped to 26 I would take him, but I am not mortgaging the future for someone who wont be a star.
 
I say trade position for quantity since the Draft is such a crap-shoot and the more darts one throws at the Board the more likely to hit a bullseye.
 
Wolf6151 said:
In this scenario I'd stay put and take Nick Perry at #26. Blackmon is the best receiver this year but he's not Julio Jones, who I think is a much better WR, and not worth giving up all those picks.
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Well said bro.. I love Perry, ive been saying that all a long. all the draft gurus have been saying this and that and im thinking to myself ok all these guys have been said but we know Gary and the coaches love high motor guys and Perry definitely fits that description. hed be perfect to move outside and maybe you could move Reed to RILB instead of Sharp. As for 2nd rd, I keep hearing that Randle from LSU might fall to mid to late 2ND so there you go thats our top 2 problems with very solid players.
 
Blake said:
Sorry if the title gave anyone a heart attack. Don't kick my ass!

I simply think Blackmon is an elite player at a huge position of need for us. If you don't think we need a serious upgrade at WR after seeing AJ go down last year then I don't know what to say. Blackmon has been tearing up the NCAA for 2 years now and has very little baggage. Some say he is not as good as Dez, but I think Blackmon is better and not a retard.

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Blackmon is definitely more intelligent than Dez but he doesn't have the same physical talent. I don't see him as an elite player though. I would take Floyd over him, but that's just me.
 
ArlingtonTexan said:
If the continue to win and be a playoff team with a high quality ofense, then the trade worked. If they fall off because they are weaker in other spots then no. Lots of gray area and things beyong their control the confused the issue more.
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Well, Atlanta made the playoffs two out of the three seasons prior to drafting Jones (including being the #1 seed in the NFC in 2010). Atlanta won zero playoff games during those three years. Last year, Atlanta made the playoffs, and again won zero playoff games.

I think winning in the playoffs on a regular basis is required in order for this trade to be deemed a success. Anything less is no improvement on the years immediately preceding the 2011 draft.
 
ArlingtonTexan said:
It really does not matter that Jones is a better player than Torrey smith, it matters if the Falcons are better with a potential superstar WR or just a solid deep threat with 3 or 4 good players across the depth chart.

If the continue to win and be a playoff team with a high quality ofense, then the trade worked. If they fall off because they are weaker in other spots then no. Lots of gray area and things beyong their control the confused the issue more.
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Right, but my statement is based on player projection not as much strategy. Who is to say those later round picks ever amount to anything, why not take a sure thing @ position of need?

In five years Andre Johnson will be out of the NFL while Julio or Blackmon will replace him as the premier WR's in the league.
 
Blake said:
How is he hype?

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Blackmon is hype because he's the best WR this year. All upper 1st round picks get hyped naturally because of where they're being picked, the upper picks are the sexy thing to talk about. Every time I tune in ESPN they're always talking/hyping 1st round picks as if the 1st round were the only round of the draft. He's elite talent for this year but not for the NFL. He's not Chad Johnson, Julio Jones, AJ, Larry Fitzgerald, etc... This draft is very deep at WR but lacks elite level talent, the same can be said for the draft as a whole, deep/good at many positions but not much elite level talent.
 
Wolf6151 said:
Blackmon is hype because he's the best WR this year. All upper 1st round picks get hyped naturally because of where they're being picked, the upper picks are the sexy thing to talk about. Every time I tune in ESPN they're always talking/hyping 1st round picks as if the 1st round were the only round of the draft. He's elite talent for this year but not for the NFL. He's not Chad Johnson, Julio Jones, AJ, Larry Fitzgerald, etc... This draft is very deep at WR but lacks elite level talent, the same can be said for the draft as a whole, deep/good at many positions but not much elite level talent.
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The way you question Blackmon's skills, I'd have to ask if you've ever watched the guy. He is certainly elite level talent. He is huge, he has great balance after the catch to be able to take off down the field, and he has all of the intangibles you look for in a WR that you could expect to be elite one day or really good. The only knock you could have on him is his speed, but we've seen tons of WR's that lack top end speed. Larry Fitzgerald is one of them.
 
Calvin Johnson was the highest rated WR I've ever seen. He was graded out 9.78.

Last Year AJ Green 9.65 & Julio Jones 9.62.

This year Justin Blackmon 9.69. He is considered elite.
 
beerlover said:
Calvin Johnson was the highest rated WR I've ever seen. He was graded out 9.78.

Last Year AJ Green 9.65 & Julio Jones 9.62.

This year Justin Blackmon 9.69. He is considered elite.
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He is considered elite by whoever did that rating. It would be nice if it really were all objective and stuff, but while it is virtually universal that he's the top ranked WR in this draft class, I don't think you can say the same thing about his eliteness.

Justin Blackmon is widely considered the best receiver in this month's draft, but the jury is out on whether he's an elite player.

When Rob Rang of CBS Sports polled three NFL teams Friday night, all agreed that two quarterbacks, one offensive tackle, one running back and one cornerback classified as "elite" players in this draft. Presumably that includes Andrew Luck, Robert Griffin III, Trent Richardson, Matt Kalil and Morris Claiborne.

None of the teams were willing to make the "elite" claim for Blackmon.
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ChampionTexan said:
He is considered elite by whoever did that rating. It would be nice if really were all objective and stuff, but while it is virtually universal that he's the top ranked WR in this draft class, I don't think you can say the same thing about his eliteness.
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Brisco_County said:
All three QB's are mobile. They will run five yards on 50% of all plays, forcing the safety to come up and leave a guy open. With three QB's, we can sustain the injuries.
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No, not when the DC knows no one can catch a pass and either the RB gets it or QB rushes. What WR will focus defense on him now that AJ has been traded and away fron the other side?
 
badboy said:
No, not when the DC knows no one can catch a pass and either the RB gets it or QB rushes. What WR will focus defense on him now that AJ has been traded and away fron the other side?
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Tannehill played WR for a while in college, and he had good hands. He would be an interesting wildcat QB.
 
Texecutioner said:
The way you question Blackmon's skills, I'd have to ask if you've ever watched the guy. He is certainly elite level talent. He is huge, he has great balance after the catch to be able to take off down the field, and he has all of the intangibles you look for in a WR that you could expect to be elite one day or really good. The only knock you could have on him is his speed, but we've seen tons of WR's that lack top end speed. Larry Fitzgerald is one of them.
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Yes I've seen him play. He's very good and certainly the best WR their is this year but I only see 5 elite players in this draft. Luck, RGIII, Kalil, Richardson, and Claiborne (questionable). I think Blackmon will be a success in the NFL but will never be an All Pro.
 
the only player i would trade up to get is Floyd! and only if his around the late teens like 17-19.
his my number one...yes above blackmon.
 
aussie_texan said:
the only player i would trade up to get is Floyd! and only if his around the late teens like 17-19.
his my number one...yes above blackmon.
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I agree. I like Floyd over all the others as well. The size, speed, hands, combo would be very tempting if he fell to 19-20ish.
 
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