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Where and when will the Texans find their next QB

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ObsiWan said:
The changing of the guard at the QB position in the AFC South is underway. Are we ready for that future or will we be scrambling in a 2-3 years to catch up?
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Good point...I've been wondering when they will address this issue. TJ Yates was taken in the fifth round not as Schaub's replacement, but rather as a back up. Old school wisdom dictates drafting in the second or third round and having the young QB carry a clipboard for 2-3 years. I hope that this is the way they develop a quarterback, but unfortunately the overwhelming need at the position leads to teams drafting second, third or even fourth round talent in the first round, and starting them before they're ready (Locker, Gabbert, Ponder, Tebow).

It seems to me there are only three ways to get a starting QB:
1). Be really, really, really bad like Indianapolis.
2). Trade three first round draft picks for a "lock" prospect like Washington.
3). Trade for a veteran player.

Options one or two presuppose a starting caliber QB is available in the draft. note: I was going to include 2007 as well but the quarterback class that year was just too depressing (think JaMarcus Russell).

Round 1 QBs
2011 - Cam Newton 1/#1, Jake Locker 1/#8, Blaine Gabbert 1/#10 and Christian Ponder 1/#12
2010 - Sam Bradford 1/#1 and Tim Tebow 1/#25
2009 - Matthew Stafford 1/#1, Mark Sanchez 1/#5 and Josh Freeman 1/#17
2008 - Matt Ryan 1/#3 and Joe Flacco 1/#18

Round 2-4 QBs
2011 - Andy Dalton 2/#35, Colin Kaepernick 2/#36 and Ryan Mallett 3/#74
2010 - Jimmy Claussen 2/#48 and Colt McCoy 3/#85
2009 - Pat White 2/#44 and Stephen McGee 4/#101
2008 - Brian Brohm 2/#56, Chad Henne 2/#57 and Kevin O'Connell 3/#94

Round 5-7 QBs of note

2011 - 5/#152 T. J. Yates, 5/#135 Ricky Stanzi and 7/#208 Greg McElroy
2010 - 5/#155 John Skelton and 6/#199 Joe Webb
2009 - 6/#201 Curtis Painter
2008 - 5/#156 Dennis Dixon, 5/#160 Josh Johnson and 7/#209 Matt Flynn

If I, as hypothetical general manager, use a top five pick on a quarterback he should be a franchise player. I think these guys fit that description; Cam Newton, Sam Bradford, Matthew Stafford, Josh Freeman, Matt Ryan, and Joe Flacco. We could for argument's sake include Mark Sanchez, but I won't. Maybe I'm projecting with Cam Newton, but the talent shown on the field puts him on my list.

So, with notable exceptions, if you want a starter you have to get him in the first round. It's also easy to see which first round selections were picked too early.

Ok, no problem! With the new rookie salary cap it's much easier than before to trade up into the top five picks. Ouch! That's the new problem. Now you have eight franchises all trying to trade up to get one player and you have to give up three first round picks. How many next year, four or five first round picks?

That leaves us at option three. Two good examples we're all familiar with, one good and one bad; Houston-Atlanta (Schaub) and Arizona-Philadephia (Kolb). One team let their scouts select the player and one team let the media select their player and overpaid. Guess which one was which.

Trading for our next quarterback could possibly be a much better value. Remember San Diego dumped Drew Brees after his rookie contract...
 
I still think this guy could be the future with more experience in Kubiak's offense...

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Ok maybe I'm not thinking big picture here but I was also thinking that we have our QB of the future possibly in TJ Yates, if a rookie ever got thrown into the fire it was him and he made some real strides to become a pro last year.

Today, though, I'm watching NFL Network and I see that Rudy Carpenter got released by the Bucs. As I look at my teams current condition at QB I'd like to see us draft our next QB for the future, however when you look at some things that Carpenter has done during the preseason and just the fact that he's already a veteran. I wouldn't mind us spending a low offer contract to obtain that guy since he's most likely going to be a 3rd stringer or compete for the 2nd QB spot with Yates right now.
 
Even if you believe T.J. Yates is the heir to Schaub's starting job (and I ain't convinced yet) that still leaves us with no future backup to Yates.

And I, for one, would rather he be someone who can push Yates for the starter roll rather than a "career backup" type guy. No more Dan Orlovsky-types, thank you.

I think that guy ought to be picked up this year so he can start learning the system. Plus, after last year's M.A.S.H. unit experience, I don't see Smithiak going into the season with only two QBs on the roster.

So I call upon the draftniks (because I admit I have no idea) to clue the rest of us in on who might be worthy of a second-day (4th thru 7th rounds) pickup.
 
ObsiWan said:
Even if you believe T.J. Yates is the heir to Schaub's starting job (and I ain't convinced yet) that still leaves us with no future backup to Yates.

And I, for one, would rather he be someone who can push Yates for the starter roll rather than a "career backup" type guy. No more Dan Orlovsky-types, thank you.

I think that guy ought to be picked up this year so he can start learning the system. Plus, after last year's M.A.S.H. unit experience, I don't see Smithiak going into the season with only two QBs on the roster.

So I call upon the draftniks (because I admit I have no idea) to clue the rest of us in on who might be worthy of a second-day (4th thru 7th rounds) pickup.
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He's right here in Houston.
I'm not totally sold on TJ (even though I think he may have a shot).
I'm talking about my homie Case Keenum at UH.
IMHO, he's the best QB in this draft class.
If he's about 2 inches taller and some 15 lbs more in muscle, I would rate him as the #1 prospect this year.

And don't think he doesn't fit in Kubiak's offense.
Tomorrow, hopefully I will have time to put up some stuffs in the Keenum's film study thread (college football section).
It will show Keenum operating out of the ZBS, in play action, from under center.

In my homerism, I would take him in the Texans slot in the second round, but I would be absolutely thrilled if we take him in the third.

The smartest QB I've seen in quite a while.
 
I think our QB of the future is still gonna be Schaub. I think he'll play out a new 3 or 4 year contract starting next season. His injury isn't career threatening and if he has to miss a bit of time this year i'm confident enough in Yates.
 
schaub is just 30 yrs old and thats even a young 30 with the lack of throws schaub has had to make compared to his draft classmates like eli,rivers (bar his rookie season) and big ben who have been starting day 1.... barring serious injury, hes playing out his next contract here at least so bring this thread back in about 5 yrs..

thats alot of time to groom a successor if we dont already have the homemade 'schaub option' right here on the roster already witha playoff W already to his name
 
Ryan said:
I think our QB of the future is still gonna be Schaub. I think he'll play out a new 3 or 4 year contract starting next season. His injury isn't career threatening.
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well this type of injury has been career threatening in many cases, we still dont know how schaub will respond once he is fully healed.. not sure if hes already had the screws removed from his foot yet, maybe he has. arthritis in the foot is a common occurrence and pain when walking. if he is unable to push off his plant foot than he could become quite useless.. we still have a ways to go before were sure what schaub can do..
 
I'd quit paying failed-starters the kind of money that would net a real starter at another position, and continue to take mid-late round flyers on guys Kubiak thinks he can develop.

In the early rounds, there is a much greater chance of getting value from your picks at other positions, keep on drafting for depth, and letting that depth step in when the starters get paid by other teams.

Yates is going to be a good backup, we can get by if he needs to start, and given that he's slightly better than Schaub in some of the natural ability, who's to say he can't eventually become better than him when he's had chance to develop the decision making and game reading.

I know our hit rate hasn't been great on the late round flyers, TJ is the first to succeed, but its the best way to search for that next guy, and if it comes down to it, there's always guys around like Delhomme (who I thought looked pretty good in his PT) or Garcia who can come in and hold the clipboard mid-season.

In fact, from what I saw, I'd prefer to have had Delhomme under center than Leinart.
 
Mari-OWNED! said:
I still think this guy could be the future with more experience in Kubiak's offense...

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I agree. Now that he's 2nd string he'll get some reps. in practice, along with more experience. I think if he's given a real chance then he has the possibility to be our starter of the future. I think way to many times coaches/organizations prejudge what a players potential is based on where they're drafted and late round guys don't get that real chance to grow and succeed.
 
76Texan said:
He's right here in Houston.
I'm not totally sold on TJ (even though I think he may have a shot).
I'm talking about my homie Case Keenum at UH.
IMHO, he's the best QB in this draft class.
If he's about 2 inches taller and some 15 lbs more in muscle, I would rate him as the #1 prospect this year.

And don't think he doesn't fit in Kubiak's offense.
Tomorrow, hopefully I will have time to put up some stuffs in the Keenum's film study thread (college football section).
It will show Keenum operating out of the ZBS, in play action, from under center.

In my homerism, I would take him in the Texans slot in the second round, but I would be absolutely thrilled if we take him in the third.

The smartest QB I've seen in quite a while.
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I agree with this too.
 
El Tejano said:
I agree with this too.
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I disagree. I think Keenum will be a solid backup QB in the NFL, but he's not a starting caliber QB much less a franchise guy. If he didn't play for UH then most people on this board would agree with that, but they won't because they're biased.
 
WolverineFan said:
I disagree. I think Keenum will be a solid backup QB in the NFL, but he's not a starting caliber QB much less a franchise guy. If he didn't play for UH then most people on this board would agree with that, but they won't because they're biased.
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Yeah, it happens. I mean c'mon, isn't your man-crush on Mike Martin partly because he's from Michigan? We could probably put together an entire mock of several poster's favorite homer picks.
 
Eventually, we will have to spend a 1st or early 2nd rounder on a QB. Much like Andy Dalton, Colin Kaepernick, or Christian Ponder to name a few. Hopefully, we will never do as bad as the Colts did this year ever again. I would expect within the next couple of year however to see a QB drafted early by the Texans.

Also I'm not sure what Nick Foles is rated on the draft boards, but I do think if he is there in the 3rd round for the Texans to take that will pull the trigger on him. Just my personal opinion, with the injury to Schaub and all.
 
I think Yates has the potential to be a starter in the next couple of years, if schaub can stay healthy and learn under him. What i like about schaub is hes a team player and he puts his team first as i noticed him helping TJ on the sidelines giving him pointers and helping with plays where as you look at Manning.. hes on one side of the field and orlovski was on the other. I understood that Peyton takes ALL the snaps at practice bc he is selfish and that is why they crumbled in his absence. However, IF we do draft another QB in later rounds... I like Kellen Moore from Boise St... I know hes only around 6' and a south paw but i believe he has excellent smarts decent arm (better than schaub & lienart) and obviously has a will to win. Keenum can definitely sling but many scouts feel he was successful due to the system as most do with the past Cougar QBs I.E. Kolb
 
WolverineFan said:
I disagree. I think Keenum will be a solid backup QB in the NFL, but he's not a starting caliber QB much less a franchise guy. If he didn't play for UH then most people on this board would agree with that, but they won't because they're biased.
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I'm not biased. I'm a UT fan. Dude put up some good numbers and he was getting hit alot in the process. I also saw one of his interviews and I like what I saw from him as far as determined to prove people wrong. I feel he would be a safe QB to pick right now because he has upside and he doesn't have to be even a 2nd stringer right now.

That said, I recall when Rudy Carpenter came in to Reliant and he looked pretty good. I know people are thinking he is a career back up but I think he has talent for what we are looking for and the only reason he hasn't gotten a chance is because Josh Freeman did so well his rookie season.

I also wouldn't mind going after a guy like Russel Wilson from Wisconsin.
 
Ryan said:
I think our QB of the future is still gonna be Schaub. I think he'll play out a new 3 or 4 year contract starting next season. His injury isn't career threatening and if he has to miss a bit of time this year i'm confident enough in Yates.
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:mcnugget: Huh?

There have been several players whose careers were ended by lisfranc injuries (Duce Staley and Eric Rhett come to mind and I also think Warrick Dunn). Couple that with the fact that the injury occurred on his plant foot and there is the possibility that he won't ever be the same.
 
I like Keenum. I don't get the lak of arm strength stuff...

The games I watched he had good zip on his balls...

I think he'd excel in an offense like ours. Not sure I would spend a 3rd round pick on him, but a 5th or later, sure.
 
Dutchrudder said:
Yeah, it happens. I mean c'mon, isn't your man-crush on Mike Martin partly because he's from Michigan? We could probably put together an entire mock of several poster's favorite homer picks.
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Probably has something to do with it. If he didn't go to Michigan, then I wouldn't know so much about him. That said, I was onto him before the hype train started (Senior Bowl + Combine), even as early as last year I was talking him up.

I was calling him a 2nd round pick last year when nobody knew who he was and boom 1 year later he's projected as a 2nd-3rd round pick. Non-UM fans have seen his ability. Only UH fans are calling Keenum a sleeper or diamond in the rough.
 
El Tejano said:
I'm not biased. I'm a UT fan. Dude put up some good numbers and he was getting hit alot in the process. I also saw one of his interviews and I like what I saw from him as far as determined to prove people wrong. I feel he would be a safe QB to pick right now because he has upside and he doesn't have to be even a 2nd stringer right now.

That said, I recall when Rudy Carpenter came in to Reliant and he looked pretty good. I know people are thinking he is a career back up but I think he has talent for what we are looking for and the only reason he hasn't gotten a chance is because Josh Freeman did so well his rookie season.

I also wouldn't mind going after a guy like Russel Wilson from Wisconsin.
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I don't really care about numbers when it comes to Keenum. We all know what the UH offense is and isn't. His production tells me he's capable and that's it. And I like what I see from his as far as attitude and intelligence as well, but I don't see a starting caliber Quarterback when I watch him. I see a solid backup option and there's nothing wrong with that.

I wouldn't mind taking Keenum this year if we're content to let Schaub go next year and roll with Yates. I think Yates has the potential to be a solid starting QB, not a star or anything, but a solid game manager who can get the job done. I could see Keenum as that solid backup behind him.

Not a fan of Carpenter. Good players go undrafted all the time, but QB's don't usually go undrafted out of BCS schools and then hit it big. If you're a lower level guy like Romo was then okay, but if you don't get drafted out of Arizona State as a multi-year starter then it's for a reason.

I like Wilson, but he's very raw. He has a very good arm, but his size is an issue. Size is overrated as far as a deterring factor for a QB, but in his case I see it as a problem. He's way shorter than the short guys who play QB (Brees is the prime example). I see him as a system fit QB. Flutie is really the only guy his size to ever have some success in the NFL and that was after he washed out of the league, had a stint in the CFL, and then came back.
 
Too many fans are just blindly thinking Schaub will be right back to 100% normal. The type of injury Schaub sustained has ended some careers. Its much worse for a pro athlete especially a qb's plant foot. To just blindly count on Schaub to be 100% next season would be foolish and I hope the Texans medical staff relays this to the coaching staff and f/o. There needs to be a plan B in place for a worst case scenario. That means the Texans will need to either draft a qb or sign a free agent.

I hope Schaub comes back and plays at the level where he left off prior to the injury. But if he isn't able to or plays poorly are you ready for a full season of TJ and some street scrub. I'm not. And this year is one tough schedule.
 
WolverineFan said:
I don't really care about numbers when it comes to Keenum. We all know what the UH offense is and isn't. His production tells me he's capable and that's it. And I like what I see from his as far as attitude and intelligence as well, but I don't see a starting caliber Quarterback when I watch him. I see a solid backup option and there's nothing wrong with that.

I wouldn't mind taking Keenum this year if we're content to let Schaub go next year and roll with Yates. I think Yates has the potential to be a solid starting QB, not a star or anything, but a solid game manager who can get the job done. I could see Keenum as that solid backup behind him.

Not a fan of Carpenter. Good players go undrafted all the time, but QB's don't usually go undrafted out of BCS schools and then hit it big. If you're a lower level guy like Romo was then okay, but if you don't get drafted out of Arizona State as a multi-year starter then it's for a reason.

I like Wilson, but he's very raw. He has a very good arm, but his size is an issue. Size is overrated as far as a deterring factor for a QB, but in his case I see it as a problem. He's way shorter than the short guys who play QB (Brees is the prime example). I see him as a system fit QB. Flutie is really the only guy his size to ever have some success in the NFL and that was after he washed out of the league, had a stint in the CFL, and then came back.
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Solid feedback. I'd go with Keenum in the 5th too. I'm not spending a high pick on him so that to me would make him worth it.
 
El Tejano said:
I'm not biased. I'm a UT fan. Dude put up some good numbers and he was getting hit alot in the process. I also saw one of his interviews and I like what I saw from him as far as determined to prove people wrong. I feel he would be a safe QB to pick right now because he has upside and he doesn't have to be even a 2nd stringer right now.

That said, I recall when Rudy Carpenter came in to Reliant and he looked pretty good. I know people are thinking he is a career back up but I think he has talent for what we are looking for and the only reason he hasn't gotten a chance is because Josh Freeman did so well his rookie season.

I also wouldn't mind going after a guy like Russel Wilson from Wisconsin.
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It's kinda funny that two of the shortest QBs in this class are the ones that performed the best under pressure. (Kirk Cousins also did pretty well.)

I have yet to reviewed enough of Wilson's tapes (I prefer to watch at least 8 games of a prospect before I render my final judgment), but after 4 games or so, I can see that he's a good one.

When people said that Keenum played in the CUSA, they automatically think that Keenum played against poor defense.
Well, let me say something, a poor defense is one who couldn't pressure the QB enough to save their secondaries' life.
The Cougars line is not very good; therefore, Keenum found himself under pressure a whole lot more than other QBs.

Against a common offense with Andrew Luck (UCLA), for example, Luck hardly saw any pressure (due to the effectiveness of his O-line) while Keenum was under pressure all day.
Yet, Keenum still had a great day, going 30-40 (including a few drop balls and throw-aways due to pressure) for 310 yards and 2TDs.
Luck was 23-27 for 223 yards and 3 TDs.
The numbers are very comparable, but one was doing it without pressure while the other faced constant pressure.

It's the same story when you look back at Keenum's whole career.
He faced common opponents with guys like RG III, Weeden, Dalton, etc. and put up comparable or better numbers under more pressure.

If you're going to draft Luck at number one overall, then Keenum definitely merrits at least a third down grade.

BTW, I've seen both Wilson and Keenum throw at least 50 yards from the LOS, and that's farther than I've ever seen Schaub threw the ball (47 yards).
I've also seen Yates threw 50 yards.
 
76Texan said:
It's kinda funny that two of the shortest QBs in this class are the ones that performed the best under pressure. (Kirk Cousins also did pretty well.)

I have yet to reviewed enough of Wilson's tapes (I prefer to watch at least 8 games of a prospect before I render my final judgment), but after 4 games or so, I can see that he's a good one.
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The other thing is I've seen a real leader in Wilson. This guy came on to Wisconsin and turned their season around. I want a leader on the team and that is what Wilson was. It also don't hurt that every badger we've drafted has made our team or been a real impact to the team.
 
El Tejano said:
The other thing is I've seen a real leader in Wilson. This guy came on to Wisconsin and turned their season around. I want a leader on the team and that is what Wilson was. It also don't hurt that every badger we've drafted has made our team or been a real impact to the team.
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I like Wilson a lot.
Even though I have yet to complete reviewing his tapes; the fact that he faced good to decent pass defense day-in and day-out wasn't lost on me.

Wilson was helped by a great offensive line and a great running game, but he did very well on his own accord just the same. I was very impressed with him and wouldn't mind the Texans taking a shot at him either... But he's even shorter and smaller than Keenum... he makes Keenum looks like a giant, LOL!

Kellen Moore, on the other hand, isn't of the same caliber as these two.
 
bckey said:
Too many fans are just blindly thinking Schaub will be right back to 100% normal. The type of injury Schaub sustained has ended some careers. Its much worse for a pro athlete especially a qb's plant foot. To just blindly count on Schaub to be 100% next season would be foolish and I hope the Texans medical staff relays this to the coaching staff and f/o. There needs to be a plan B in place for a worst case scenario. That means the Texans will need to either draft a qb or sign a free agent.

I hope Schaub comes back and plays at the level where he left off prior to the injury. But if he isn't able to or plays poorly are you ready for a full season of TJ and some street scrub. I'm not. And this year is one tough schedule.
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Ive never heard of it ending careers. Who's career was ended from this injury?
 
76Texan said:
He's right here in Houston.
I'm not totally sold on TJ (even though I think he may have a shot).
I'm talking about my homie Case Keenum at UH.
IMHO, he's the best QB in this draft class.
If he's about 2 inches taller and some 15 lbs more in muscle, I would rate him as the #1 prospect this year.

And don't think he doesn't fit in Kubiak's offense.
Tomorrow, hopefully I will have time to put up some stuffs in the Keenum's film study thread (college football section).
It will show Keenum operating out of the ZBS, in play action, from under center.

In my homerism, I would take him in the Texans slot in the second round, but I would be absolutely thrilled if we take him in the third.

The smartest QB I've seen in quite a while.
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http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=89651&page=3

The link to the vid is up; check post #53 in that thread.
 
Blake said:
Ive never heard of it ending careers. Who's career was ended from this injury?
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Here are a few links. You can search some more on your own and probably find a lot more information or hopefully Cloak will weigh in on this again for those that have missed his posts about it.

click the box to the right of the paragraph to read the article.
http://www.mendeley.com/research/lisfranc-injuries-in-sport/#

Only saw 1 career ending on this older list
http://lisfrancnews.blogspot.com/

more info
http://odlarmed.com/?p=3451
 
Mari-OWNED! said:
I still think this guy could be the future with more experience in Kubiak's offense...

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Good god no.


Yates was terrible. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know he was a rookie that was thrown into the fire, but everyone would have laughed at any other team that was going to make him their starter or make him their guy for the future. Yates may be capable of being a starter one day, but he'll be one of those QB's that is around 20-32 in the league as far as full time starters go.

We need to find the closest thing we can to an elite QB. We need to do "better" than Schaub the next time around. Not worse, and Yates will never be a multi year top 10 type of QB.
 
Texecutioner said:
Good god no.


Yates was terrible. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know he was a rookie that was thrown into the fire, but everyone would have laughed at any other team that was going to make him their starter or make him their guy for the future. Yates may be capable of being a starter one day, but he'll be one of those QB's that is around 20-32 in the league as far as full time starters go.

We need to find the closest thing we can to an elite QB. We need to do "better" than Schaub the next time around. Not worse, and Yates will never be a multi year top 10 type of QB.
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Wonder what it would take to get Mallet from the Pats?
 
Like I've said before regarding Schaub, I'll pay no attention to what they say, but I will pay attention to what they do.

I'm fairly certain that they will take a QB in this year's draft, and it wouldn't surprise me a bit to see them take one early. Not because Kubiak has lost confidence in Yates. It's Schaub that will drive this.
 
I like to be a U of H homer as much as the next guy but I will be stunned if Keenum can even make a roster. Maybe someones practice squad. TJ Yates is not what I envision when I think franchise QB. In fact anything more than a band aid terrifies me.

I don't expect any QB's crawling out of the wood work this year but I hope they can find someone within the next couple of years hopefully without a noodle arm that Kubiak seems fine with. I'm sick of relying on perfect timing routes, gadgetry and bootlegs. All that stuff is fine but sometimes you just gotta spin one in there with some mustard on it.
 
A lot of folks around here were really big on that Vince Young guy awhile back... :whistle:
 
Yates.

People don't want to mess with it, because of the incomplete picture of his 2011 season, but that's fine. He will be the guy in 2012.

Keenum will go in Round 2. Some team will pass on him in the 1st, then pull an Andy Reid and go all "Kevin Kolb" on him in the 2nd. I think a lot of teams are sure he'll slip to the 2nd round...so they feel they can go another route in round 1 and use the 2nd round pick on him.

This is why he's not traveling up anybody's mock boards. It's why he's under the radar. Nobody wants to slip up and show interest in him. You don't stare all glossy-eyed and begin drooling when you see you landed quads on the flop...everybody at the table will fold and you lost a lot of extra money. Teams will wait until the 2nd and hope like hell he's there at their round 2 spot.

Trust me. I'm an expert. ;)
 
GP said:
Yates.

People don't want to mess with it, because of the incomplete picture of his 2011 season, but that's fine. He will be the guy in 2012.

Keenum will go in Round 2. Some team will pass on him in the 1st, then pull an Andy Reid and go all "Kevin Kolb" on him in the 2nd. I think a lot of teams are sure he'll slip to the 2nd round...so they feel they can go another route in round 1 and use the 2nd round pick on him.

This is why he's not traveling up anybody's mock boards. It's why he's under the radar. Nobody wants to slip up and show interest in him. You don't stare all glossy-eyed and begin drooling when you see you landed quads on the flop...everybody at the table will fold and you lost a lot of extra money. Teams will wait until the 2nd and hope like hell he's there at their round 2 spot.

Trust me. I'm an expert. ;)
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"Expert" you say....

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Wolf6151 said:
I agree. Now that he's 2nd string he'll get some reps. in practice, along with more experience. I think if he's given a real chance then he has the possibility to be our starter of the future. I think way to many times coaches/organizations prejudge what a players potential is based on where they're drafted and late round guys don't get that real chance to grow and succeed.
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The same applies to people never giving a guy a chance because he drafted solely with the purpose of being a backup in this league. It usually ends with failure, such as Kevin Kolb and Charlie Whitehurst. Sometimes, it's a success, such as Matt Schaub. We'll see how it goes with Matt Flynn. I don't think it's the coaches and organisations that prejudice a player's potential at all. In fact, I think it's the fans.

I unfortunately was not on the forums when Schaub was first acquired from Atlanta, but I get the feeling that even then, people poo-poo'ed the move. The guy has far outplayed his expected potential and has practically outplayed 3/4's of the league, yet it still is nowhere near good enough for a lot of Texan fans. Insane. I'm thoroughly convinced that this fan base has the harshest standards of quarterback grading of any team.

Texecutioner said:
Good god no.


Yates was terrible. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know he was a rookie that was thrown into the fire, but everyone would have laughed at any other team that was going to make him their starter or make him their guy for the future. Yates may be capable of being a starter one day, but he'll be one of those QB's that is around 20-32 in the league as far as full time starters go.

We need to find the closest thing we can to an elite QB. We need to do "better" than Schaub the next time around. Not worse, and Yates will never be a multi year top 10 type of QB.
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Thank you for bringing a shred of sanity here. I've been on record as perhaps being Schaub's biggest defender, but even I can understand the arguments of why some won't consider him as an elite quarterback in this league (I do consider him elite, but alas). There's nothing wrong with upgrading at any position, but the desperation to find the next "Joe Montana / Tom Brady" is almost nauseating.
 
deping on his health and how he plays Schaub is our QB of the future srsy he could play till his late 30's for us maybe even 39 ,40
 
2011 draft, 5th round. TJ Yates. The next guy comes around in 2023 in the 5th round.
 
I read/write posts in this thread like this:

Premier said:
well this type of injury has been career threatening in many cases, we still dont know how schaub will respond once he is fully healed.. not sure if hes already had the screws removed from his foot yet, maybe he has. arthritis in the foot is a common occurrence and pain when walking. if he is unable to push off his plant foot than he could become quite useless.. we still have a ways to go before were sure what schaub can do..
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Texan_Bill said:
:mcnugget: Huh?

There have been several players whose careers were ended by lisfranc injuries (Duce Staley and Eric Rhett come to mind and I also think Warrick Dunn). Couple that with the fact that the injury occurred on his plant foot and there is the possibility that he won't ever be the same.
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bckey said:
Too many fans are just blindly thinking Schaub will be right back to 100% normal. The type of injury Schaub sustained has ended some careers. Its much worse for a pro athlete especially a qb's plant foot. To just blindly count on Schaub to be 100% next season would be foolish and I hope the Texans medical staff relays this to the coaching staff and f/o. There needs to be a plan B in place for a worst case scenario. That means the Texans will need to either draft a qb or sign a free agent.

I hope Schaub comes back and plays at the level where he left off prior to the injury. But if he isn't able to or plays poorly are you ready for a full season of TJ and some street scrub. I'm not. And this year is one tough schedule.
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Marcus said:
Like I've said before regarding Schaub, I'll pay no attention to what they say, but I will pay attention to what they do.

I'm fairly certain that they will take a QB in this year's draft, and it wouldn't surprise me a bit to see them take one early. Not because Kubiak has lost confidence in Yates. It's Schaub that will drive this.
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And then see these posts in the exact same thread like :




Ryan said:
I think our QB of the future is still gonna be Schaub. I think he'll play out a new 3 or 4 year contract starting next season. His injury isn't career threatening and if he has to miss a bit of time this year i'm confident enough in Yates.
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Maddict5 said:
schaub is just 30 yrs old and thats even a young 30 with the lack of throws schaub has had to make compared to his draft classmates like eli,rivers (bar his rookie season) and big ben who have been starting day 1.... barring serious injury, hes playing out his next contract here at least so bring this thread back in about 5 yrs..

thats alot of time to groom a successor if we dont already have the homemade 'schaub option' right here on the roster already witha playoff W already to his name
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Norg said:
deping on his health and how he plays Schaub is our QB of the future srsy he could play till his late 30's for us maybe even 39 ,40
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And I wonder where the latter gets the sunshine from. I can understand being optimistic and all but the type of lisfranc injury that Schaub sustained is very serious. There has to be a backup plan in place just in case he can't play at the same level as he once did or even worse never play again. You can't just blindly believe the information that comes from Texans. Research some of CloakNNNdagger's posts on this subject. There is a post on page 2 of this thread with some links about lisfranc injuries. I'm not trying to paint a dark picture here but one of caution. You Schaub sunshiners could be extremely disappointed if he can never return to the same preinjury qb he was. I'm hoping for the best for Schaub because he is one of the good guys.
 
bckey said:
And I wonder where the latter gets the sunshine from. I can understand being optimistic and all but the type of lisfranc injury that Schaub sustained is very serious. There has to be a backup plan in place just in case he can't play at the same level as he once did or even worse never play again. You can't just blindly believe the information that comes from Texans. Research some of CloakNNNdagger's posts on this subject. There is a post on page 2 of this thread with some links about lisfranc injuries. I'm not trying to paint a dark picture here but one of caution. You Schaub sunshiners could be extremely disappointed if he can never return to the same preinjury qb he was. I'm hoping for the best for Schaub because he is one of the good guys.
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Which brings us back full circle to my original question....

ObsiWan said:
One thing that the AFC blogger may be correct about is that the other three teams in our division are starting to prepare, QB-wise, for the future. Schaub probably has two, maybe three more productive years. In the out years, 2014, 2015... When Luck and Locker have been seasoned by a couple of years "under fire" and are starting to come into their own (that's the worse case scenario for us - best case for us is they're both busts), who is the guy the Texans answer with? Do you really think that Yates is that guy? Will we take a flyer on Keenan? Someone else?

The changing of the guard at the QB position in the AFC South is underway. Are we ready for that future or will we be scrambling in a 2-3 years to catch up?
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We'll roll with Schaub for the near term - hopefully he's back to 90-100% - but we need to groom his understudy/replacement. Speaking frankly, I'm not convinced it's Yates.

If I'm wrong and Yates blossoms into a solid, first tier QB, then Yaaay us! If not.... I'm just saying we need to be working on a Plan B.
 
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