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VY can now face the stage with renewed pride!

Claiborne gives birth to a four on the Wonderlic

The NFL has kept the Wonderlic results under tighter wraps than usual this year. Or maybe the media has had enough other things to keep itself occupied.

Regardless, the first eye-opening score has leaked from the 2012 edition of the 50-question Wonderlic test. Per multiple league sources, LSU cornerback Morris Claiborne scored a four.

Yes. A four. Out of 50.

Six years ago, quarterback Vince Young initially got a six. Re-scoring of the test bumped it to a seven. A next-day Mulligan moved it to 13.

Finally, Young has someone at whom he can point and laugh.

The joke, however, continues to be on anyone who thinks that all college athletes are also students. Plenty of them aren’t. They’re minor-league football players who have no choice but to wait at least three years until they get a shot at joining the NFL.

How else can anyone explain a person who presumably has found a way to avoid failing out of college getting such a low score on a basic intelligence test?

And that gives rise to a more important question. What did LSU actually do to keep Claiborne from failing out of school?
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And that gives rise to a more important question. What did LSU actually do to keep Claiborne from failing out of school?
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No kidding! He could have gone to Texas and almost doubled his score. :heh:
 
Playoffs said:
Man, they should either protect those scores or stop the testing. Not fair to the guys, imo.
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I've got a better idea. They should make them all public. Maybe the impending threat of public humiliation might inspire some of these guys to attempt to learn something while they're in college.
 
Statistically his and VY's scores are like they were trying to be a dumbass. He probably could have colored in A on every question in 30 seconds, not over-powered his one brain cell and gotten a higher score.
 
infantrycak said:
Statistically his and VY's scores are like they were trying to be a dumbass. He probably could have colored in A on every question in 30 seconds, not over-powered his one brain cell and gotten a higher score.
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Well we've seen VY try to do smart things... his 6 looks legit to me. :kitten:
 
My biggest concern when guys pull Wunderlics this low isn't their intellegence, it's their work ethic and desire. Any college player who's likely to go in the top half of the first round will be making their agent money. Copies of the Wunderlic are readily available, and agents in the past have clearly stated that they have prepped future players on the Wunderlic. Any of the patheticly low scores can just as easily be attributed to lack of work ehtic and prep as it can be attributed to intellegnce.

I argueed the same point when VY came out.
 
Hoth-Boy said:
My biggest concern when guys pull Wunderlics this low isn't their intellegence, it's their work ethic and desire. Any college player who's likely to go in the top half of the first round will be making their agent money. Copies of the Wunderlic are readily available, and agents in the past have clearly stated that they have prepped future players on the Wunderlic. Any of the patheticly low scores can just as easily be attributed to lack of work ehtic and prep as it can be attributed to intellegnce.

I argueed the same point when VY came out.
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You make a good point.

Have to wonder if he has the mental capacity to over come adversity. VY obviously didn't.
 
Hoth-Boy said:
My biggest concern when guys pull Wunderlics this low isn't their intellegence, it's their work ethic and desire. Any college player who's likely to go in the top half of the first round will be making their agent money. Copies of the Wunderlic are readily available, and agents in the past have clearly stated that they have prepped future players on the Wunderlic. Any of the patheticly low scores can just as easily be attributed to lack of work ehtic and prep as it can be attributed to intellegnce.

I argueed the same point when VY came out.
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This.

I don't think Morris Claiborne is likely dumb as a rock, more likely did he really care is the bottom line. If I was measuring his IQ it would more be on what classes he took versus what kind of grades he got.

Guys like this know they are bound for the 1st round of the NFL draft, in the long run what is his Wunderlic score going to prevent or allow him to achieve in his mind?
 
Rey said:
You make a good point.

Have to wonder if he has the mental capacity to over come adversity. VY obviously didn't.
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Guys like VY always have the physical tools to succeed in the NFL. Problem is through-out his college career he was able to use his physical skills to really dominate the game at each level without really having to learn the real fundamentals of the game. When he got to the pros the first year was more or less the same story, teams generally aren't used to such a mobile QB initially and the offense as a whole had lowered expectations and complexity in favor of getting him on the field ASAP in the end.

When it came to his second year that's where his real problems started. The offense got more complex, teams caught up to what he could do running the ball, and he didn't really dedicate himself to getting better as a QB fundamentally.

Right now its still not caught onto Vince that his athletic ability alone isn't going to carry him to success in the NFL. The flashes he has shown HIM enough that he can still carry on business as usual. He still has time to turn his NFL career into something, but it's looking less and less like he will "get it".
 
Hoth-Boy said:
My biggest concern when guys pull Wunderlics this low isn't their intellegence, it's their work ethic and desire. Any college player who's likely to go in the top half of the first round will be making their agent money. Copies of the Wunderlic are readily available, and agents in the past have clearly stated that they have prepped future players on the Wunderlic. Any of the patheticly low scores can just as easily be attributed to lack of work ehtic and prep as it can be attributed to intellegnce.

I argueed the same point when VY came out.
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His score would come out to roughly a 75 IQ, or Borderline Intellectual Functioning. I think that he is likely in the low Average range of Intelligence rather than BIF.

I agree with the notion of your post. If he is not willing to set aside time to prepare for a test he knows he will get, will he put forth the time to study game film and the playbook?

I think he is a great player, but I wouldn't touch him in the top 10.
 
Apparently he has a learning disability.

When Claiborne came out of high school, the schools that recruited him knew he had a learning disability. I don’t know much about his disability other than it has to do with reading. Everyone I have talked to tells me that Claiborne has great character and is a great kid. He knows and understands his disability and uses all the resources that LSU has available to control it and to help him get by in the classroom. When it comes to football he puts in extra time to learn and understand his assignments and it is not a problem. Will he need reps? Probably, but no more than the usual rookie would need. In saying that, Claiborne’s test score was NOT a true indicator of his intelligence. He can and does learn.
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http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/What-you-should-know-about-Claibornes-test-score.html
 
Some information that put the "learning disability" explanation somewhat into question.

Bus Cook “in shock” about Claiborne test score

ESPN has confirmed our report that LSU cornerback Morris Claiborne scored a four (yes, four) on the 50-question Wonderlic test.

Adam Schefter of ESPN also has gotten a quote from Claiborne’s agent, Bus Cook.

“I haven’t heard a word about it,” Cook said of the score. “I haven’t talked to anybody about it. All I know is that [Claiborne] was from a complicated defensive system and he flourished in it. I’ve never seen any sort of deficiency in him. I’m sitting here in shock at what you’re telling me.

“And if it is true, how does that get out? I thought the Commissioner was going to put safeguards on this information and there would be severe discipline if it ever did get out. I don’t know if he scored a 4 or a 40. All I know is he’s a great kid, he’s smart, and I’ve been thoroughly impressed with everything about him.”

The truth is that Cook shouldn’t be in shock. With ample samples of the Wonderlic available, Cook and every agent worth his or her commission should know before the kid takes the test the neighborhood in which his score is expected to land.

Moreover, if the sudden assertion elsewhere that Claiborne has a learning disability is true (and that argument would tend to conflict with Cook’s comments), it becomes even more important for Cook to know about it and to take steps aimed at protecting his client from being put into a situation that will result in an unjust outcome.

And so, regardless of why or how Claiborne scored so low, Cook should have known it was coming, and Cook should have either tried to find a way to improve the score — or Cook should have advised Claiborne not to take the test.

That’s a point Dan Patrick has been making for a long time, and it’s a great one. Incoming rookies routinely decline to run the 40 or participate in certain drills. If there’s any concern that the score will be low, why not refuse to take the Wonderlic? The easy explanation for refusing would be that the player doesn’t believe the NFL will maintain the confidentiality of the score.
If the score doesn’t impact draft stock, then refusing to submit to the test shouldn’t matter, either.

The NFL can gnash its teeth all it wants about the fact that the information gets out. Regardless, the information will continue to get out. Everything relating to the draft gets out — whether it’s the Wonderlic scores or or stupid/funny things guy said during interviews or which guys failed drug tests at the Scouting Combine (there’s already one fairly high-profile name link to a failed February 2012 drug test).

Since a low Wonderlic score invariably is met with the argument that it won’t affect the player’s draft stock because the score doesn’t matter, the bigger question is why does the NFL keep using the Wonderlic test?

Maybe every player should refuse to take it until the NFL provides a compelling explanation for continuing to insist that they submit to a test that doesn’t say anything about their football ability, especially since the NFL can’t guarantee that the information won’t be disclosed. Maybe, in the end, that will prompt the NFL to quit using a test that apparently has no correlation to a guy’s ultimate performance.
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It's actually pretty common knowledge that Claiborne has a learning disability. I've been hearing about it since he came out of high school.

I would assume that the teams interested in him would know about it too. So it wouldn't hurt him to just take the test anyway. It would look worse if he just refused to take it.

The info about his score was probably leaked by a team hoping he will fall to them.
 
Learning disability or no, a 4 on the Wunderlich after 4 yrs of college = Mentally challenged> short bus to school.

After all the hard questions like what is the 9th month of the yr are really difficult.

I suffer from Dyslexia and have worked to overcome this problem most of my life. So I know it can be done, you just have to be willing to work very hard to learn how to deal with it.

This is why Claiborne would fall to the bottom of the 1st rd if I was a GM. It's not so much that he has a learning disability. It's the fact that he's not willing to put in the work to overcome his disability. BTW, they should publish all of the Wunderlich from the combine. Just like they publish the 40/vert/3-cone etc...results.
 
steelbtexan said:
This is why Claiborne would fall to the bottom of the 1st rd if I was a GM. It's not so much that he has a learning disability. It's the fact that he's not willing to put in the work to overcome his disability.
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There are rumors floating that towards the end of testing, his pencil broke, and instead of taking a new pencil offered to him, he just gave up. /shrug
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
VY can now face the stage with renewed pride!

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I have seen the statistics on median Scores on the test by position. The lowest scores tend to be generated by CBs, RBs and WRs. The highest scores tend to come from QBs and centers.

Claiborne falls in the absolute worst group. VY was an exception, being an unintelligent QB, which probably explains his lack of success in the NFL.
 
BullBlitz said:
I have seen the statistics on median Scores on the test by position. The lowest scores tend to be generated by CBs, RBs and WRs. The highest scores tend to come from QBs and centers.

Claiborne falls in the absolute worst group. VY was an exception, being an unintelligent QB, which probably explains his lack of success in the NFL.
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I think there's a lot more to VY's lack of success.

steelbtexan said:
Learning disability or no, a 4 on the Wunderlich after 4 yrs of college = Mentally challenged> short bus to school.

After all the hard questions like what is the 9th month of the yr are really difficult.

I suffer from Dyslexia and have worked to overcome this problem most of my life. So I know it can be done, you just have to be willing to work very hard to learn how to deal with it.

This is why Claiborne would fall to the bottom of the 1st rd if I was a GM. It's not so much that he has a learning disability. It's the fact that he's not willing to put in the work to overcome his disability. BTW, they should publish all of the Wunderlich from the combine. Just like they publish the 40/vert/3-cone etc...results.
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So you wouldn't even factor in what his GPA is? Or it compared to what classes he's taking?

Or even this:

2011 Thorpe Award Recipient
2011 Consensus First-Team All-America (AFCA Coaches', AP, FWAA, Sporting News, Walter Camp, ESPN.com, Rivals.com, CBSsports.com, FoxSportsNext.com, SI.com)
2011 Southeastern Conference Defensive Player of the Year (Coaches)
2011 First-Team All-SEC (AP, Coaches)
2011 Nagurski Award Finalist
2011 Walter Camp National Defensive Player of the Week (vs. Miss. State)
2010 Second-Team All-SEC (AP, Coaches)

Right. 4 on the Wunderlic. He's going to be an NFL bust :kitten:
 
infantrycak said:
Statistically his and VY's scores are like they were trying to be a dumbass. He probably could have colored in A on every question in 30 seconds, not over-powered his one brain cell and gotten a higher score.
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I don't know how the test is scored. But, I took tests in college where you would get a negative on a missed multiple choice question. If you didn't know the answer, you couldn't just luck into it. Is it possible the Wonderlic is scored in a similar fashion?

If I were a NFL GM/Head Coach, the low score would have zero effect on my decision to draft a player. If the player had success in college and I was comfortable with him in the interview, I would take him. I'm paying him to play football. Not take tests.

The interview would seem to be very important in getting to know what a player is about. Which makes me wonder why Smithiak chose not to bring in top prospects for interviews. Yes, they talk to them for a limited time at the combine. Maybe they take them to dinner at their pro day. But, I would think they would want to know as much as possible about the personality of the player. Casserly and Kubiak brought Mario, Bush, and Vince Young in for pre-draft visits in 2006. I think those visits helped make the decision to go with Williams. Why did that change?
 
Goldensilence said:
I think there's a lot more to VY's lack of success.



So you wouldn't even factor in what his GPA is? Or it compared to what classes he's taking?

Or even this:

2011 Thorpe Award Recipient
2011 Consensus First-Team All-America (AFCA Coaches', AP, FWAA, Sporting News, Walter Camp, ESPN.com, Rivals.com, CBSsports.com, FoxSportsNext.com, SI.com)
2011 Southeastern Conference Defensive Player of the Year (Coaches)
2011 First-Team All-SEC (AP, Coaches)
2011 Nagurski Award Finalist
2011 Walter Camp National Defensive Player of the Week (vs. Miss. State)
2010 Second-Team All-SEC (AP, Coaches)

Right. 4 on the Wunderlic. He's going to be an NFL bust :kitten:
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Didn't say he was going to be a bust.

If I was a GM I would drop him because I want a team of players that can look adversity in the eye and are willing to do whatever it takes to overcome it. Claiborne is lacking in this dept. (see Wunderlich, unable to put in the work to overcome his learning disabilities.)

If he dropped to 15/30 I would gamble on him. The same as I would Janoris Jenkins.
 
steelbtexan said:
Learning disability or no, a 4 on the Wunderlich after 4 yrs of college = Mentally challenged> short bus to school.

After all the hard questions like what is the 9th month of the yr are really difficult.

I suffer from Dyslexia and have worked to overcome this problem most of my life. So I know it can be done, you just have to be willing to work very hard to learn how to deal with it.

This is why Claiborne would fall to the bottom of the 1st rd if I was a GM. It's not so much that he has a learning disability. It's the fact that he's not willing to put in the work to overcome his disability. BTW, they should publish all of the Wunderlich from the combine. Just like they publish the 40/vert/3-cone etc...results.
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If he truly has a learning disability, and had documentation, he could have requested accomodations consistent with his ld. Of course he would have needed to request this well ahead of time and had proper documentation. That again speaks to being prepared and going the extra mile.

Now, if he had accommodations and still scored that low, that says a lot.
 
Lucky said:
I don't know how the test is scored. But, I took tests in college where you would get a negative on a missed multiple choice question. If you didn't know the answer, you couldn't just luck into it. Is it possible the Wonderlic is scored in a similar fashion?

If I were a NFL GM/Head Coach, the low score would have zero effect on my decision to draft a player. If the player had success in college and I was comfortable with him in the interview, I would take him. I'm paying him to play football. Not take tests.

The interview would seem to be very important in getting to know what a player is about. Which makes me wonder why Smithiak chose not to bring in top prospects for interviews. Yes, they talk to them for a limited time at the combine. Maybe they take them to dinner at their pro day. But, I would think
they would want to know as much as possible about the personality of the player. Casserly and Kubiak brought Mario, Bush, and Vince Young in for pre-
draft visits in 2006. I think those visits helped make the decision to go with Williams. Why did that change?
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I gotta disagree. The wonderlic is like the drug test. Everyone knows you will get both at the combine. Both of them are excellent tests of judgment. Knowing you have a drug test at the combine, are you mature enough, not to smoke any marijuana or do any drugs prior to testing? You know when the test will be, so it's a question of judgment. The wonderlic is also a test of judgement. You know you will get the test. There are tons of places where you can take the test multiple times and increase your score by as much as 20 points. Knowing there are these services available, why wouldn't you take it? Choosing not to put din the work to raise a wonderlic, may be a judgement as well as a test of dedication to the classroom side of football. If you are not wiling to put in the time to study for the wonderlic, perhaps you won't put the time into film study and learning complex NFL play books.
 
Doppelganger said:
I gotta disagree. The wonderlic is like the drug test.
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No, it's not like a drug test. You may have player who has a limited ceiling on math and word problems. That has little to do with the schematics of a NFL playbook. Some guys just aren't going to score well on these. And where is the coorelation between the Wonderlic and NFL success. You say Vince Young, and I'll come back with Dan Marino.

Failing a drug test means you were on drugs before going into the biggest job interview you'll ever have. It means you are screwup. A bigtime screwup. Bombing the Wonderlic does not mean you are a screwup.
 
Lucky said:
I don't know how the test is scored. But, I took tests in college where you would get a negative on a missed multiple choice question. If you didn't know the answer, you couldn't just luck into it. Is it possible the Wonderlic is scored in a similar fashion?
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I could be wrong but I believe it is a 50 question test straight up graded on how many you get correct in like 12 or 15 minutes. So there is a speed element involved but I don't believe there is a wrong answer scoring factor, well other than just not getting credit for the question.
 
Lucky said:
I don't know how the test is scored. But, I took tests in college where you would get a negative on a missed multiple choice question. If you didn't know the answer, you couldn't just luck into it. Is it possible the Wonderlic is scored in a similar fashion?
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Lucky, with the Wunderlic this is not the case.

The Wonderlic intelligence test sets itself apart from other IQ tests in several key factors, including a quick test time (to prevent fatigue in an individual, resulting in a lower than accurate score), and a lack of negative scoring (to prevent test anxiety). What this means to you is that the Wonderlic intelligence test is quick, painless, and easy.
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infantrycak said:
I could be wrong but I believe it is a 50 question test straight up graded on how many you get correct in like 12 or 15 minutes. So there is a speed element involved but I don't believe there is a wrong answer scoring factor, well other than just not getting credit for the question.
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12 minutes 50 questions. My my wife took this on a job interview (UH liberal arts grad, average math person) and made a 40 and says the test is easy assuming a person does not have test anxiety and can read the questions quickly and accurately.

There are some mini tests that have floated around this message board with sample questions and conversion chart of what your score would be. I took one tipsy late one night and made the equivalent of 35.

On the broader issue of learning disabilities. Most semesters I have a student or two who has a non-obvious learning disability. Ususally, this guy/girl does not do well in fast paced timed assignements. The guy this semester does well in out of class work, but if I put a question on the board and ask the class to write on it for ten minutes he barely gets through 3 or 4 simple sentences when at least half of the class writes a full page with complex thoughts. He is an engaging kid to have a conversation but my gues is that he would not do well on a Wunderlic either.
 
infantrycak said:
I could be wrong but I believe it is a 50 question test straight up graded on how many you get correct in like 12 or 15 minutes. So there is a speed element involved but I don't believe there is a wrong answer scoring factor, well other than just not getting credit for the question.
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Right.

I know they have wunderlichs online. Has anyone actually taken one anywhere?

I'm not the smartest guy ever but the wunderlich is not something you should score a four on if you've had any college at all. That's pretty damn bad.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Lucky, with the Wunderlic this is not the case.

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The only thing I will dispute is the people I have encountered with test anxiety won't truly process that there is no downside. This is purely my experience and nothing that I have done any even haphazard research.

Edit: I lied, Howard Gardner has done work on the concept of multiple intelligences. IQ tests measure only certain things largely problem solving, math and a portion of language skills. An NFL CB does not need to strong in those for the most part, but other intelligences such kinetic function and spatial understanding that IQ tests don't measure at all (or relatively little) are vital to his performance.
 
I'd say problem solving and pattern recognition are pretty damn important for an NFL QB. We have, after all, witnessed a QB that could never figure out or solve the Cover 2.
 
The thing I dislike the most about guys like this is that a free college education was given to him because he could run fast and he obviously wasted that college education. There are lots of folks who never got the opportunity to go to college because they simply couldn't afford it. Those people probably would have really appreciated and used that free education.

Maybe LSU will now lower tuition and fees because an education from their obviously isn't worth much.
 
Rey said:
Right.

I know they have wunderlichs online. Has anyone actually taken one anywhere?

I'm not the smartest guy ever but the wunderlich is not something you should score a four on if you've had any college at all. That's pretty damn bad.
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http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=1904500
 
Good. I hope this Wonderlic score helps him drop to #26. We need a good CB, not a test taker. We got a pretty damn good professional (Jonathan Joseph) who can help him learn the defense which is all we need him to know.
 
steelbtexan said:
Didn't say he was going to be a bust.

If I was a GM I would drop him because I want a team of players that can look adversity in the eye and are willing to do whatever it takes to overcome it. Claiborne is lacking in this dept. (see Wunderlich, unable to put in the work to overcome his learning disabilities.)

If he dropped to 15/30 I would gamble on him. The same as I would Janoris Jenkins.
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I guess I just think its quite a knee-jerk reaction and makes a lot of assumptions to hold this kind of view. But hey, it's all yours.
 
4 yrs in college and scores a 4 on the Wunderlich = LOL

How the he** did he stay eligible to play?
 
Lucky said:
No, it's not like a drug test. You may have player who has a limited ceiling on math and word problems. That has little to do with the schematics of a NFL playbook. Some guys just aren't going to score well on these. And where is the coorelation between the Wonderlic and NFL success. You say Vince Young, and I'll come back with Dan Marino.

Failing a drug test means you were on drugs before going into the biggest job interview you'll ever have. It means you are screwup. A bigtime screwup. Bombing the Wonderlic does not mean you are a screwup.
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Both of these tests are judgment based. Every player at the combine KNOWS they will get both of them. No surprises there.

1. Drug test. Do you choose to use drugs before the biggest interview of you life? Uses drugs presents a serious judgment question or a lack of maturity.

2. Wonderlic. Don't look at the score as an estimate of intelligence. Instead of think of it as a test of tenacity and hard work. There are numerous versions of the test floating around and good agents will have their players taking multiple versions of the test for weeks prior to the real one. It's just like playing football. You don't just go out and take the test, you practice, you drill, you see patterns in the types of questions presented. Then at the combine, you go in well practiced and take the test. The wonderlic now is a test of dedication. Were you willing to put in the time in the classroom to study and prepare for the test? If not, perhaps you will not treat game viewing seriously. Maybe you won't be focused enough during team meetings. Maybe you won't study your playbook.
 
eriadoc said:
I'd say problem solving and pattern recognition are pretty damn important for an NFL QB. We have, after all, witnessed a QB that could never figure out or solve the Cover 2.
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And this may suggest he should solely be a man corner. Tell him to stick to his man and let him be. He may not be as good in zone or systems which require passing off receivers at various levels of the field.
 
BullBlitz said:
I have seen the statistics on median Scores on the test by position. The lowest scores tend to be generated by CBs, RBs and WRs. The highest scores tend to come from QBs and centers.
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And isn't there a correlation between those positions and race and, oh wait, can't go there.
 
Well, do you have a transcript of his classes? His overall GPA? Maybe a few letters of recommendation would satisfy you he isn't dumb as rocks.

I really don't see the real relevance of the Wunderlich test for a NFL prospect. Are you really going to chose a guy with less physical measureables, not an all-american at his position, and who might have more character concerns over a guy who has higher Wunderlich score? Please.

What I would be more concerned about right now....does he have a history of off the field concerns?
 
The kid has a very difficult time reading and did ending up doing well in his classes using alternative learning and testing methods.

If being able to read a few sentences takes a few minutes, those 12 testing minutes will fly by and you won't get to answer very many questions.

Amazing how some people on here insist on mocking a guy whom everyone on the NFL knew has a hard time with reading and written tests. I heard on the radio that agents of players with learning and testing disabilities we start telling them to decline taking the Wonderlic, same as guys who decline to throw or run at the combines.
 
Goldensilence said:
Well, do you have a transcript of his classes? His overall GPA? Maybe a few letters of recommendation would satisfy you he isn't dumb as rocks.

I really don't see the real relevance of the Wunderlich test for a NFL prospect. Are you really going to chose a guy with less physical measureables, not an all-american at his position, and who might have more character concerns over a guy who has higher Wunderlich score? Please.

What I would be more concerned about right now....does he have a history of off the field concerns?
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Doppelganger said:
2. Wonderlic. Don't look at the score as an estimate of intelligence. Instead of think of it as a test of tenacity and hard work. There are numerous versions of the test floating around and good agents will have their players taking multiple versions of the test for weeks prior to the real one. It's just like playing football. You don't just go out and take the test, you practice, you drill, you see patterns in the types of questions presented. Then at the combine, you go in well practiced and take the test. The wonderlic now is a test of dedication. Were you willing to put in the time in the classroom to study and prepare for the test? If not, perhaps you will not treat game viewing seriously. Maybe you won't be focused enough during team meetings. Maybe you won't study your playbook.
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Please read my quoted response.
 
Wunderlich is not a gauge for intelligence, but rather a measure of thought process under pressure. You have twelve minutes to answer fifty questions and they start with the reading questions first which take longer so you end up being up against the gun and trying to run through them. More than showing your IQ (many could ace them if given enough time) it shows your ability to think quickly and adjust and make the right decision. Probably most important for QB's as they are faced with that scenario most often in-game.
 
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