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It seems to me that our braintrust might have miscalculated. I know they were under the gun to win last year or they would possibly/probably get the boot themselves but was the team's long term quest to be a yearly contender put at risk with the moves they made last year? Did we pull a Florida Marlins and shoot for the moon with the knowledge that we would have to blow the team up as soon as the season was over? To be honest it might have worked except for injuries.

I am not sure and would like your opinion. I think the main mistake made was not trading Mario before the season started last year thus allowing us to sign some players before their FA year and allow us to accumulate draft choices.

I have not heard of any FAs coming to Houston for interviews.

You don't think that RS is holding out hope that they can sign Mario and is waiting for him to come back to us before he acts in FA do you?

Just curious what do you think?
 
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Without spending the money on JJoe last year, we would (probably) have no made the playoffs. That being said, they really didn't take much, if any, advantage to the uncapped year in terms of moving money around effectively. But in the same light, this is the price you pay for drafting well. Your big time draftees turn into big time players who want big time money. Dems the ropes in the modern day NFL.


All that being said, I don't really know if I'd trade anything in the world for last season. It felt and still feels great finally being respected around the league. Just my two cents.

Edit: Meant to add DManning to that as well.
 
arb729 said:
Without spending the money on JJoe last year, we would (probably) have no made the playoffs. That being said, they really didn't take much, if any, advantage to the uncapped year in terms of moving money around effectively. But in the same light, this is the price you pay for drafting well. Your big time draftees turn into big time players who want big time money. Dems the ropes in the modern day NFL.
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The Cowboys and Redskins made sure they took advantage of it
 
Texans FO handled last year perfectly. Were gonna lose some quality players because this off season because the front office has turned our team into one of the most talented teams in the NFL.
 
gafftop said:
It seems to me that our braintrust might have miscalculated. I know they were under the gun to win last year or they would possibly/probably get the boot themselves but was the team's long term quest to be a yearly contender put at risk with the moves they made last year? Did we pull a Florida Marlins and shoot for the moon with the knowledge that we would have to blow the team up as soon as the season was over? To be honest it might have worked except for injuries.

I am not sure and would like your opinion. I think the main mistake made was not trading Mario before the season started last year thus allowing us to sign some players before their FA year and allow us to accumulate draft choices.

I have not heard of any FAs coming to Houston for interviews.

You don't think that RS is holding out hope that they can sign Mario and is waiting for him to come back to us before he acts in FA do you?
Just curious what do you think?
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I will reserve judgement until after the draft is over and the Myers Brisiel situation is resolved. If we can resign them both this will be a good offseason.
 
I think it's been well documented that they expected the cap to go up quite a bit... They gambled and they lost...

Not too worried about them, this situation sure sucks... but what if they had traded Mario? They would have expected the same "value" back, so realistically they would have had the same problem with the cap, so all in all: someone still would have had to go...

Sure, they haven't nailed it and gotten everything perfect, but they've aquired too many good players over the years... You can't pay all of them...
 
Good teams lose good players and then replace them with other good players. We're about to lose some good players whom we drafted. Time to draft more good players to replace them.
 
The Cush said:
The Cowboys and Redskins made sure they took advantage of it
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Haha indeed .. I don't know that we would have been that extreme. I just meant paying a bit more last year via restructure if it meant savings in the future. Is that what the Girls and Skins got busted for? I haven't really read into the story as of yet.
 
Every team has its UFAs. These UFAs have agent. The agents are all contacting teams and fielding phone calls from the teams interested in their client(s).

Rick Smith is just another GM, same as the GMs on 31 other teams. Every GM in the NFL has had its hands full today, fielding calls and putting names on the board (or something like that) to rank and prioritize.

Roughly 3 or 4 players have been signed so far, with the trade of Brandon Marshall to the Bears and the UFA acquisition of Garcon on the Redskins being the only newsworthy items to discuss.

I think any panic right now is fruitless. It takes time to let all these UFAs' agents and the GMs to get contract talks/offers squared away.

There will be plenty of action, it just isn't going to start the first day. It takes time to get the ball rolling on all these players and to let agents sort out prospective contracts and destinations for their clients.

It's not like every team has had its finger on the big red button to make their selection(s) at 3:01 Eastern Time today. Gonna' take time to work itself out.
 
arb729 said:
Without spending the money on JJoe last year, we would (probably) have no made the playoffs. That being said, they really didn't take much, if any, advantage to the uncapped year in terms of moving money around effectively. But in the same light, this is the price you pay for drafting well. Your big time draftees turn into big time players who want big time money. Dems the ropes in the modern day NFL.

All that being said, I don't really know if I'd trade anything in the world for last season. It felt and still feels great finally being respected around the league. Just my two cents.

Edit: Meant to add DManning to that as well.
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So how do the Pats stay on top? Is it all due to Brady? The Pats seem to trade players near their peak while they are over valued and therby are able to keep their overall talent level high and due to young players cheap. How did they accumulate they excess of draft choices they have now?

Just curious what you think.
 
gafftop said:
So how do the Pats stay on top? Is it all due to Brady? The Pats seem to trade players near their peak while they are over valued and therby are able to keep their overall talent level high and due to young players cheap. How did they accumulate they excess of draft choices they have now?

Just curious what you think.
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Brady is a huge part of it and they are masters at getting value for picks.
 
wolf123 said:
Brady is a huge part of it and they are masters at getting value for picks.
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And obviously Manning at Indy...

Really there are only about 2-3 teams out of 32 who have complete badass front offices... It's not like our's is the only one with problems...
 
gafftop said:
So how do the Pats stay on top? Is it all due to Brady? The Pats seem to trade players near their peak while they are over valued and therby are able to keep their overall talent level high and due to young players cheap. How did they accumulate they excess of draft choices they have now?

Just curious what you think.
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C'mon. The Patriots got incredibly lucky in getting their future hall of fame QB in the 6th. They also got incredibly lucky Miami had no clue how to use Welker. They got incredibly lucky Moss decided to run for a couple years. They have made their share of missteps as well such as Adalious Thomas. Their defense was putrid last year and yeah if the Texans had Schaub available odds are they sail past New England. Plus off the field they have a great strategist in Belichick.
 
drunkcookie said:
And obviously Manning at Indy...

Really there are only about 2-3 teams out of 32 who have complete badass front offices... It's not like our's is the only one with problems...
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Is this supposed to make me feel better? I do agree with you though. I guess we are just happy to be done with Casserly.

The question is how do we become one of the 2-3????
 
gafftop said:
Is this supposed to make me feel better? I do agree with you though. I guess we are just happy to be done with Casserly.

The question is how do we become one of the 2-3????
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Actually i may have overestimated that number lol..

But how to become one? Don't get me lying... But i'd sau it will take good management over a decent period of time added with some luck... It's only been 10 years with two different regimes... though this regime is "up against it" in regards to the cap, they're not doing a bad job, they do improve every year it seems...

They get a pass from me for now on this cap issue... Too much demand for their pieces, they just can't pay everyone...
 
gafftop said:
So how do the Pats stay on top? Is it all due to Brady? The Pats seem to trade players near their peak while they are over valued and therby are able to keep their overall talent level high and due to young players cheap. How did they accumulate they excess of draft choices they have now?

Just curious what you think.
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Well:

A. Brady is obviously a HUGE part of it.

B. They've actually drafted rather poorly lately. If you look, they have very few impact players whom they drafted. Believe me on this, as many know I live two towns over from Foxboro and this was ALL you heard this season. Therefore, I don't know how they do it. They make smart moves at smart times. Low Risk/High Reward. This season it blew up on them (Albert, Ocho) but they battled through it. Can't discredit the man in charge either. He's a schematicaly (word?) genius.
 
EllisUnit said:
they said we won the division, Rebuild time :kingkong:
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Even after we lose all these players, we are still the best team in our division. It does look like we'll be doing some rebuilding, but that's always happening in some form or another.
 
We have to wait and see how things shake out, but right now it looks like Smith went all in with a pair of twos and is about to bust.

We could end up losing Myers, Brisiel and Winston in one offseason. That would be one of the most hopelessly incompetent FO moves in NFL history.

All of this when they gave Foster a massive contract when they didn't have to. Nobody was going to pay him $8.5 million a year and give the Texans a 1st round pick. For the difference between the top RFA tender and what they gave Foster in a cash strapped year they could have kept Foster, Winston, Brisiel and change.

You now have one of the highest paid RBs in the NFL and your starting O-line either leaving or being shown the door. Who is he supposed to run behind? Unbelievably stupid.
 
EllisUnit said:
they said we won the division, Rebuild time :kingkong:
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Way I see it we own our division. (for the time being). If we need to draft and keep the talent coming, now might be it. We certainly have some great stuff going on right now. Much as I hate the Hoodie the Pats have made an art out of cheap talent.:thinking:
 
Goatcheese said:
We have to wait and see how things shake out, but right now it looks like Smith went all in with a pair of twos and is about to bust.

We could end up losing Myers, Brisiel and Winston in one offseason. That would be one of the most hopelessly incompetent FO moves in NFL history.

All of this when they gave Foster a massive contract when they didn't have to. Nobody was going to pay him $8.5 million a year and give the Texans a 1st round pick. For the difference between the top RFA tender and what they gave Foster in a cash strapped year they could have kept Foster, Winston, Brisiel and change.

You now have one of the highest paid RBs in the NFL and your starting O-line either leaving or being shown the door. Who is he supposed to run behind? Unbelievably stupid.
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We will probably keep Myers as he is only negotiating with us and the Titanics and I don't think they run a ZBS. We also should be able to sign Brisiel
 
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Yes......... and No!!!

First off, the Texans did they're FA grocery shopping last year.... And, Oh BTW did pretty ****ing well!!! Now, we're paying the piper, "so to speak"!

That said, I had no idea that Rick Smith could be responsible for (potentially) losing 60% of our offensive line (Winston, Meyers and Briesel), Mario Williams, Lawrence Vickers, Dreessen and other lesser players...

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Thoughts and prayers to Andre Johnson that re-structured his deal to make room AND the above is what we get??? Are you kidding me?



I'm not saying that we'll be 2-14, but 9-7 is on the upside...

A regression from this past season, if you will.
 
I'm just aggravated that we did not even sign Brisiel before the 3pm deadline. I think that we let all of our UFA hit the market (Foster RFA). You would think that we could have signed at least one of our UFA before the 3pm deadline.
 
I mean it's like....pretty much the very beginning of the offseason right?

I can't wait for football to start either but come on.........
 
I am willing to wait and see how we end the off season. I remember the angst last off season as we demanded free agents and then boom got two very important ones. We are right where we should be considering our history. Important parts such as Myers, Briesel, Williams, Dreesen, etc are now up for renewal. We were unable to draft replacements as we had so many holes to fill. We just came off a good year despite catastrophic injuries that would have wrecked many teams & should have driven us to our knees. Just a few short weeks ago all were ecstatic how strong and yes deep in some positions we were. I mean we lose Leinert intentionally due only to how Yates stepped up. We may lose Dreesen but OD looked good and Casey and Graham should keep us going forward. If we lose Mario, Reed and Barwin should start; let's not panic over sophomore jinxes until we have a reason to. Schaub apparently is on track based on all we know.

We enterred off season wanting to replace #2 WR, get another OG, a back up NT and a back up center. What has changed? Butler will replace Winston and we will probably draft an OT at some point. A combo of OG/Center such as Phillip Blake from Baylor or OT/OG like Brandon Washington could satisfy two spots with one pick.Remember concern we all had when Brown was suspended and Butler did well? He should be even better at RT. He also is suppose to be healthy.

Another excellent draft should accomplish that.We started a rookie DE (Watt) a rookie OLB (Reed) and occasionally a rookie in Tate (missed first year due to injury). If Mario signs elsewhere we should be able to sign one and probably two free agents, ours or others.
 
Texan_Bill said:
Yes......... and No!!!

First off, the Texans did they're FA grocery shopping last year.... And, Oh BTW did pretty ****ing well!!! Now, we're paying the piper, "so to speak"!

That said, I had no idea that Rick Smith could be responsible for (potentially) losing 60% of our offensive line (Winston, Meyers and Briesel), Mario Williams, Lawrence Vickers, Dreessen and other lesser players...

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Thoughts and prayers to Andre Johnson that re-structured his deal to make room AND the above is what we get??? Are you kidding me?



I'm not saying that we'll be 2-14, but 9-7 is on the upside...

A regression from this past season, if you will.
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I know its early but I am really feeling down about the state of our team. We lose all these players and we are only 600,000 under cap? Talk about a let down.
 
SW H-TOWN said:
I'm just aggravated that we did not even sign Brisiel before the 3pm deadline. I think that we let all of our UFA hit the market (Foster RFA). You would think that we could have signed at least one of our UFA before the 3pm deadline.
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Uh...those guys are ALL going to test the free agency waters. We lucked out that Foster played nicely and let us sign him instead of testing RFA waters.

Outside of that, every single UFA with the exception of a few are wisely going to see what they can get. They're no longer under contract...this is like a huge job convention and everyone is storming around the convention center floor trying to get hired (and for more money).

We'll be fine. A lot of our guys will re-sign with us because other teams have their UFAs that THEY will want to re-sign to their own teams. At the end of the day, the most talented free agents might change teams...but your Dominiq Barber and Jason Allen type players??? They're not going elsewhere for bigger money, they'll be back IF we want them back at all.

This is like the peril of stashing a guy on the Practice Squad. Yeah, he might get claimed off waivers before he reaches our PS. Yeah, some other team might sign him off our PS. But the reality of the situation is that teams have a lot invested in these UFAs, and most of them will relish sticking with their old team and being comfortable that they're (a) wanted by their original team, and (b) familiar with the system and ready to go to work ASAP without the growing pains of having to learn new terminology and maybe being stuck on a bad team too. Teams have Practice Squads and rarely do teams whisk another team's guys away...each team has their own free agents right now that they want to keep and truth be told...the players want to stay too.

That's my solace. That's my happy place: Rick Smith made the cuts to set us up to retain the majority of our guys who are UFAs, and if Myers gets stoopid cash from another team...then oh well, that's cash we can spend elsewhere now. Next man up!
 
srrono said:
I know its early but I am really feeling down about the state of our team. We lose all these players and we are only 600,000 under cap? Talk about a let down.
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Unless we have $20M+ of dead money, I find $600k very, very hard to believe based on my research. Reliable dead money figures are the only major thing where I haven't located pretty solid figures. We should have something like $25M before deducting dead money. That includes Andre's restructure and the Winston, Leinart and Vickers cuts. They can use that for Myers, Briesel, other UFAs, new guys, etc.
 
SW H-TOWN said:
I'm just aggravated that we did not even sign Brisiel before the 3pm deadline. I think that we let all of our UFA hit the market (Foster RFA). You would think that we could have signed at least one of our UFA before the 3pm deadline.
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even if they said no? Exactly how do you sign someone who wants to see what others will offer and cannot do that until free agency opens. If you are saying just write a check, that is what gets teams in cap hell. This is Myers, Briesel and Mario's last contract and they should try to get all they can. Fans are good at throwing around "it's just business". Well it's business for the players also.

We just need to keep building our team depth without stupid moves and we will have a dynasty. I think some of us (not saying you) just assumed our guys would jump at the chance to remain a Texan.
 
G27RR said:
Unless we have $20M+ of dead money, I find $600k very, very hard to believe based on my research. Reliable dead money figures are the only major thing where I haven't located pretty solid figures. We should have something like $25M before deducting dead money. That includes Andre's restructure and the Winston, Leinart and Vickers cuts.
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That figure was posted on twitter and was said to be before the Monday/Tuesday cuts.
 
srrono said:
I know its early but I am really feeling down about the state of our team. We lose all these players and we are only 600,000 under cap? Talk about a let down.
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srrono, read the post below.....

TimeKiller said:
I mean it's like....pretty much the very beginning of the offseason right?

I can't wait for football to start either but come on.........
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Anxiousness gets you nowhere. A lot of this stuff is out of our hands. Hell, a lot of it is out of Bob McNair and Rick Smith's hands too. No way we were EVER going to be able to dole out the cash to Mario like Buffalo is going to do.

It does piss me off that small-market NFL teams like the Bills are only alive today because of revenue sharing, and there they are paying Mario a huge pile of cash. THAT is depressing. I mean, the Bills get Mario??? That's just bizarre.

I'm starting to warm up to Jerry Jones' attitude towards the Bills and the Jaguars and other small-market teams like them. Eff 'em. You either swim or you sink. And then they (the Bills) can STILL get Mario Williams! LOL. Amazing.
 
toxictrix said:
That figure was posted on twitter and was said to be before the Monday/Tuesday cuts.
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I think it could be up to $25.8M pre-dead money, to be more precise, based on a cap of $120.6M and $94.8M in current-roster cap hits. I believe the $1.6M coming from the Cowboys/Redskins would then be added to that.

This includes all cap hits - base salary (paragraph 5), signing bonus amortization, etc.
 
G27RR said:
Unless we have $20M+ of dead money, I find $600k very, very hard to believe based on my research. Reliable dead money figures are the only major thing where I haven't located pretty solid figures. We should have something like $25M before deducting dead money. That includes Andre's restructure and the Winston, Leinart and Vickers cuts. They can use that for Myers, Briesel, other UFAs, new guys, etc.
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On the NFL Network around 1 pm today La Confora echoed that we were currently sitting at 650,000 under the cap.
 
What a shocker! All the TOP free agents are being signed first and foremost. Who would have thunk it?!?!

Every team is going to dump most of its cash onto the top names on the list...then they'll use what's leftover to sign the second tier guys.

I think Mario decides tonight or tomorrow. I think Manning decides tomorrow or within this week at the latest--He might take longer than others, to see the lay of the land before deciding on a team.

NFLN just ran the audio of Bob McNair talking about Peyton, the segment from 610 radio this morning. From what Bob said...I mean, it doesn't sound like we're opposed to signing him to our team. Bob said very nice things but he never came right out and said we wouldn't sign him. He was coy, in a way.
 
G27RR said:
Unless we have $20M+ of dead money, I find $600k very, very hard to believe based on my research. Reliable dead money figures are the only major thing where I haven't located pretty solid figures. We should have something like $25M before deducting dead money. That includes Andre's restructure and the Winston, Leinart and Vickers cuts. They can use that for Myers, Briesel, other UFAs, new guys, etc.
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Exactly. Winston $4.2m, Leinert $3m base and Vickers + Foster 2011 should equal Foster. AJ's $5.2 m has not been spent yet. Nor has Mario's $18-20m (depending whom you believe.) Does not mean Texans will spend it or ever give the true figures on cap. I'm pretty good at adding and subtraction and what we know ain't adding up to no money to spend. Let's see how it turns out.
 
Honestly yes.

I am not panicking but close to it.

So far they have not re-signed Mario or Myers, not cut Jacoby, and have let Vickers and Winston walk so yes a TERRIBLE start IMO.
 
imatexan said:
Honestly yes.

I am not panicking but close to it.

So far they have not re-signed Mario or Myers, not cut Jacoby, and have let Vickers and Winston walk so yes a TERRIBLE start IMO.
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A terrible start to the first 6 hours of FA to be sure. The have tons of time to re-sign guys. It's the cutting of players that has me curious.
 
badboy said:
Exactly. Winston $4.2m, Leinert $3m base and Vickers + Foster 2011 should equal Foster. AJ's $5.2 m has not been spent yet. Nor has Mario's $18-20m (depending whom you believe.) Does not mean Texans will spend it or ever give the true figures on cap. I'm pretty good at adding and subtraction and what we know ain't adding up to no money to spend. Let's see how it turns out.
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I'm with you two guys.

These media talking heads don't know anything more than we do. Hell, just 20 minutes ago they were interrupting one another to talk about how awesome it will be to see Manning, Wayne, Clark, Saturday, and Tony Dungy and Jeff George and the Colts former equipment manager all in Miami. Then, BOOM! they quietly use one of their female anchors to break the news that Wayne re-signs with the Colts. Yet they all drooled over the idea of a super team in Miami just 20 minutes prior. LMAO!

My money is on us re-signing the vast majority of our guys, maybe even Myers once he finds out he cannot get the cash he and his agent are expecting.
 
GP said:
What a shocker! All the TOP free agents are being signed first and foremost. Who would have thunk it?!?!

Every team is going to dump most of its cash onto the top names on the list...then they'll use what's leftover to sign the second tier guys.

I think Mario decides tonight or tomorrow. I think Manning decides tomorrow or within this week at the latest--He might take longer than others, to see the lay of the land before deciding on a team.

NFLN just ran the audio of Bob McNair talking about Peyton, the segment from 610 radio this morning. From what Bob said...I mean, it doesn't sound like we're opposed to signing him to our team. Bob said very nice things but he never came right out and said we wouldn't sign him. He was coy, in a way.
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I thought same. I guess any talk with Texans in it is good advertising but wished he'd just say "Good luck and good health to Peyton but we are not interested."Too much talking like a politician".
 
And btw, nobody has signed Vickers yet. Nobody has signed Leinart. Nobody has signed Winston.

So it's not like we lost one of those guys today. Apparently, they're not the big time schit that they might think they are. Yeah, they'll likely sign somewhere...but the Texans must not want them back even at a reduced price.

Saying "We didn't want to insult you by asking you to re-structure" is the nice way of telling a guy like Winston that they don't want him back and that we might can do better than him. IMO.

EDIT: Bob and Rick and Gary and Wade have had a lot of time so far, since the end of our playoff run, to crunch the numbers and make a board of priorities and contingency plans for free agency. I bet they have a ton of options, in their mind, about how to solve what many of us are thinking are suddenly HUGE problems. They got this. I believe it.
 
The Cush said:
On the NFL Network around 1 pm today La Confora echoed that we were currently sitting at 650,000 under the cap.
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I hear you, I just don't buy it as of yet.

I started from scratch and added up the base salary + amortized bonuses + incentives + anything else that counts against the cap for the current (as of today) roster. For the 46 guys, I get $94.8M of cap hit. Add to that some amount of dead money and we should still have a good amount of room to re-sign some guys and pay for our upcoming draft picks.

I've been through the entire CBA and understand pretty darn well how various contract structures affect the cap hits.

For example, Kareem has a cap hit of about $2M this year. Because of unamortized signing bonus that gets accelerated if we cut him, our cap hit would be $3.9M plus any eligible guaranteed money left on his contract. So, the Texans are highly unlikely to cut him for that reason alone.
 
GP said:
I'm with you two guys.

These media talking heads don't know anything more than we do. Hell, just 20 minutes ago they were interrupting one another to talk about how awesome it will be to see Manning, Wayne, Clark, Saturday, and Tony Dungy and Jeff George and the Colts former equipment manager all in Miami. Then, BOOM! they quietly use one of their female anchors to break the news that Wayne re-signs with the Colts. Yet they all drooled over the idea of a super team in Miami just 20 minutes prior. LMAO!

My money is on us re-signing the vast majority of our guys, maybe even Myers once he finds out he cannot get the cash he and his agent are expecting.
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Like Houston weathermen it's all about ratings. :ant:
 
gafftop said:
It seems to me that our braintrust might have miscalculated. I know they were under the gun to win last year or they would possibly/probably get the boot themselves but was the team's long term quest to be a yearly contender put at risk with the moves they made last year? Did we pull a Florida Marlins and shoot for the moon with the knowledge that we would have to blow the team up as soon as the season was over? To be honest it might have worked except for injuries.

I am not sure and would like your opinion. I think the main mistake made was not trading Mario before the season started last year thus allowing us to sign some players before their FA year and allow us to accumulate draft choices.

I have not heard of any FAs coming to Houston for interviews.

You don't think that RS is holding out hope that they can sign Mario and is waiting for him to come back to us before he acts in FA do you?

Just curious what do you think?
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How on earth would you compare the Texans picking up a S and CB pulling a Florida Marlins type of off season?? That comparison is so far off and ridiculous man.

And why are you surprised really?? Last off season was the only off season Rick Smith ever really went after some significant free agents on the market because him and Kubiak had to because they were in year 6 of their regime. Now that they've made the playoffs finally and bought themselves probably 5 more years, it just might go right back to the same ole status quo of only building through the draft. I hope that I'm wrong on that, and they continue to try and fill holes with proven players, because it obviously worked despite the nay sayers who act like free agency is terrifying, but we've already had one of the greatest QB's in history get put in front of us with interest in our team and we balked at it, so I won't hold out to much hope that we'll be to aggressive this off season. But please don't compare Rick Smith's two free agent pick ups in the secondary to a team that buys a championship like the Marlins did. Not even close.
 
they're probably waiting to see if mario &/or meyers are going to give them a chance to match thier offers or not. No sense in cutting guys & upsetting players if you aren't guaranteed to get said players back.

i think if mario/meyers come back & say "this is what they offered me, can you match" you might see the FO start cutting guys that we all think should be dropped left & right....within reason of course.
 
badboy said:
even if they said no? Exactly how do you sign someone who wants to see what others will offer and cannot do that until free agency opens. If you are saying just write a check, that is what gets teams in cap hell. This is Myers, Briesel and Mario's last contract and they should try to get all they can. Fans are good at throwing around "it's just business". Well it's business for the players also.

We just need to keep building our team depth without stupid moves and we will have a dynasty. I think some of us (not saying you) just assumed our guys would jump at the chance to remain a Texan.
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I just thought that we would have at least signed Dobbins, Bulman, or just one UFA since we cut various players and Dre restructured. I'm not hitting the panic button or anything of the sort but I am a little pissed that we let every single one of our UFA hit the free market at 3pm. We will be fine just as long as we don't do a Washington Redskins type spending spree and I'm about positive that will not happen.
 
The Medic01 said:
I will reserve judgement until after the draft is over and the Myers Brisiel situation is resolved. If we can resign them both this will be a good offseason.
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They blew their wad last yr in FA.

Even though I understand Rick/Garys position, they needed all of the defensive difference makers they could get and Rick/Garys butts were on the line.

But G-Top called it before it happened, getting rid of MW and getting a maximum return on their investment was the way to go.

The Texans are starting to pay the price for Rick/Gary/Wades decision. I will be happy if the Texans are able to reup Myers or Briesel and get Barwin/D.Brown/maybe Schaub re-signed. In addition to re-signing Foster.

To answer your question, yes I worry about the Texans offseason every yr. Are we going to get the 2006/2009 draft or are we going to get the 2007/2010 drafts?
 
infantrycak said:
C'mon. The Patriots got incredibly lucky in getting their future hall of fame QB in the 6th. They also got incredibly lucky Miami had no clue how to use Welker. They got incredibly lucky Moss decided to run for a couple years. They have made their share of missteps as well such as Adalious Thomas. Their defense was putrid last year and yeah if the Texans had Schaub available odds are they sail past New England. Plus off the field they have a great strategist in Belichick.
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Other than Brady, none of that stuff was luck. You can sell that stuff to some newb fan to the NFL all you want Cak, but to say that the Pats got lucky to get Welker and Moss is complete BS. They got really aggressive in improving their offense that season and also went after Stallworth that off season as well after having a big season with the Eagles. They were improving their weapons is what they were doing, and there was no "luck" involved in that. But go ahead and spin it that way to make it seem like free agency is such a crap shoot when we're dealing with players we've actually seen for years instead of draft picks from players on a combine.

And if you watched those playoffs carefully, Belicheck was anything but a strategist last season in playoffs. His decisions were anything but great. Hell, his strategy in the SB in the 4th quarter was one of the dumbest strategies I've ever seen. His decisions in the Ravens game almost cost their team that game as well. I talked about it quite a bit at the time. BB has one of the best QB's ever if not the best QB ever, and Brady's been carrying that team the last two seasons big time.
 
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