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So... WTF is going on?

dalemurphy

dalemurphy

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Winston, Leinart... maybe Jones and Demeco being cut. AJ has restructured. What is this all about? Literally none of our UFAs have been re-signed only ours before the start of free agency...

1. Clearing space for Mario, Myers, and company?
2. Clearing space for Peyton?
3. Cap situation was really, really bad?
4. Texans have big plans in free agency. Maybe a surprise like Brandon Carr or Vincent Jackson?
5. Just your average house cleaning for a championship-caliber team?
6. Something else?
 
This is going to be interesting. I figured we were pretty much going to stand pat with the exception of either bringing back Myers and Brisiel or replacing them.

Now...?

I really don't think Manning is going to be here. It would go against (my perception) of every grain of Kubiak's character. He's loyal to his players (although they did just cut Winston and might be cutting Demeco). I think they'll give the ball to Schaub and finish what we were on pace to do last season.

I think Vincent Jackson will cost too much. I just can't see a team try and pay 3 All Pro caliber players at the WR/RB positions.
 
I'm really, REALLY panicking about this.

I'm down with every move they've made as long as its for the right reasons, those guys all got paid above their production last year regardless of their 'leadership' or whatever.

Its the fact that these moves came in a hurry as soon as the cap was announced to be lower than anyone expected.

Its the fact that you see a lot of other teams cutting their respected vets weeks before FA starts to give them a head start on the rest of the market. Were these moves properly planned?

If they go out in FA and sign a big name or two off the back of this, I'll be happy. If it allows them to resign our important UFA's and bring in lower cost replacements I'll be happy.

If our Draft board just got completely re-shuffled based on need over BPA, I'm thinking Smithiak have 12 months max before they're boarding a plane to Washington. And that would be very bad for our season.
 
Resigning Myers and see you later Briesel and hello Carl Nicks!!!!!!!!!

Just kidding. I'm afraid to wake up tomorrow and see who's still on the team. Tomorrow is going to be crazy
 
The Cush said:
Resigning Myers and see you later Briesel and hello Carl Nicks!!!!!!!!!

Just kidding. I'm afraid to wake up tomorrow and see who's still on the team. Tomorrow is going to be crazy
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at least with Myers, Brisiel, Allen, Mario, Dreessen we have the opportunity to get compensatory picks... Losing Winston, Leinart, Ryans would get us nothing but dead money and hurt feelings. Kinda sucks!
 
i think they're clearing space for Meyers and Mario. everyone else is replaceable through the draft & FA imo & i think that's what they plan to do.
 
I think the cap situation was that bad and we also have to think about resigning guys like Brown, Cushing, and Barwin soon. I think we've cleared enough space to bring back Myers and maybe Dreessen and Brisiel.

For the guys hoping for a big FA move...don't hold your breath. We probably sign a few low-level vets and depth players, but no big fish. The draft will be crucial to filling out the holes in the roster.
 
i think if the cap was that bad, we would've saw these cuts sooner & maybe they just go ahead and franchise arian. Most people here knew that the cap wasn't going to be raised too much.....so its hard for me to believe that the texans FO didn't have a good idea of where it was likely to be.

As i said before i think they're setting up to go ahead and get Meyers and maybe mario...but more importantly, they're setting up for next year as well.

this is why i said or at least have been thinking that even if they let mario walk, we still likely would've been making some unexpected cuts and or letting some guys walk next year when dealing with Cush, Schaub and Barwin. It's better we go ahead & get out in front of this now & cut guys rather than wait until next year.
 
dalemurphy said:
If so, cap situation was worse than I thought.
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Accurate cap numbers are so hard to find. If Spotrac is correct, the Texans have about 101m on the books for 2012 after cutting Winston and before signing any free agents. That's before you include over 12m in dead money. You would think that Mario would command atleast 12m. The Texans still have to sign a kicker; Niel Rackers made a little over 2m last season. Those numbers, if correct, show that we have to cut additional players in order to resign Myers and get Mario.
 
IMO these guys are your core players for the next 2-3 years .

Duane Brown
Chris Myers
Arian Foster
AJ
Cushing
JJ Watt
Conner Barwin
Jonathon Joseph
D. Manning
Antonio Smith
Glover Smith
 
This is all to re-sign Mario Williams. Heard Rick Smith had good conversations with his agent last night. Let's see what happens today shall we? Mario wants to stay in Houston. I'll tell you that much.
 
Maybe they knew they were in some cap trouble but waited it out, until the other day a lot of people seemed the think the cap 'not moving much' would put it at $125-126m maybe, perhaps they had to wait and see exactly what the damage was.

None of the guys cut so far are irreplaceable, you could argue that losing Barwin if we keep hold of Mario wouldn't hurt too much, Brown, Myers and Cushing are all necessities, while they could view Mario as a necessity (although I'd lose him before all the parts around him).

I guess tomorrow will tell. Maybe they do go out and get Manning, its not as if he's used to stellar Oline play anyway. It would certainly be an exciting prospect although I'd have thought Schaub would be the first out the door if that is what they are planning.

Maybe tomorrow we'll see a bunch of these guys resign on more affordable deals, Winston's cost at $5.5 was too high, but his play wasn't exactly damaging.

Rick Smith had better have a plan in place is all I'm saying, he's managed to gain some credibility around he at last but lets not forget what the general consensus opinion on him was 12 months ago.
 
Put me down as thinking the team is clearing cap room to resign key(read NOT necessarily MW)FA's this year and extend key FA's for next year before they get to the FA market. With a big bump expected in cap $$ next season, this would be prudent. We could then be active in FA next season w/o worrying about our own so much.
 
DocBar said:
Put me down as thinking the team is clearing cap room to resign key(read NOT necessarily MW)FA's this year and extend key FA's for next year before they get to the FA market. With a big bump expected in cap $$ next season, this would be prudent. We could then be active in FA next season w/o worrying about our own so much.
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It has been posted on here quite a bit this week that the cap is not increasing in one big bump next year. More of an incremental increase over the next few years.
 
Bulls on Parade said:
This is all to re-sign Mario Williams. Heard Rick Smith had good conversations with his agent last night. Let's see what happens today shall we? Mario wants to stay in Houston. I'll tell you that much.
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This is my guess.

Just my guess is all because I have no idea what's going on.
 
No one knows whats going on ..... This from Titter .... errr twitter , Via the Crapical.


JeromeSolomon -I could be wrong (yeah right), but the Texans didn't have to cut @ericwinston to sign Chris Myers. Something else has to be up.
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Expected Leinart to be cut.

Expected Foster to get a new deal.

Expect J.Jones to get cut.

Expect Myers to get a new deal .... clocks ticking.

Expected Briesel to be resigned.

Expected them to re-structure Demeco. We have "source" in the other thread saying he will be cut. - its just rumor at this point .... But I could see it happening for obvious reasons - mainly cost vs performance. We'll have to wait and see on this one.

Sure didnt see Winston getting cut but that was a significant savings and if they can replace his production at a savings , its a good move.

I havent heard any news since Fosters deal that I would take seriously , I dont even have the faintest idea what they are up to .... Could be resigning MW , could be they were in worse cap trouble than originally thought , could be they are targeting other teams FA's , there is quite a bit of talent on the open market already.


I aint got a clue .... :thinking:
 
My best guess, off the top of my head?

Clearing space for Meyers & Brisel - Moving Rashad Butler to RT.

Goodbye Joel Dreesen, Hello Garrett Graham (just looking at how much money they make, and since they've been grooming Graham). Don't know much about Graham's blocking, but his pass catching is superb.

Goodbye Mario Williams. There's simply too many people out there who will spend a fortune on him.

Cut - Jacoby Jones.
Cut - Demeco Ryans.
Cut - Dominic Barber
Cut - Derrick Ward.
Cut - Jason Allen.
Cut - Mister Alexander.
Cut - Bryant Johnson.
Cut - Jeff Garcia
Cut - Jake Dellhome

Sign - Neil Rackers
Sign - Matt Turk
Sign - Casey Studdard
Sign - Quentin Demps
Sign - Tim Dobbins
Sign - Tim Bulman

FA - WR
FA - CB

Draft - OLB/WR/OT/ILB/WR/RB/QB
 
EVOLVIST said:
Cut - Jacoby Jones.
Cut - Demeco Ryans.
Cut - Dominic Barber
Cut - Derrick Ward.
Cut - Jason Allen.
Cut - Mister Alexander.
Cut - Bryant Johnson.
Cut - Jeff Garcia
Cut - Jake Dellhome

Sign - Neil Rackers
Sign - Matt Turk
Sign - Casey Studdard
Sign - Quentin Demps
Sign - Tim Dobbins
Sign - Tim Gilman
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Ryans and Jones are the only two guys you listed that are actually under contract.

Getting rid of Dressen, Ward, Allen, and Delhomme... While resigning Studdard, Turk and Rackers... Talk about failure.
 
lets face it in this day of age u only have 3 years to build your team and 5 year window to win a championship

sadly how long has kubs been here like 7 years and sadly our first six years !!!! under kubes we did nothing


Im sorry to say this guyz but IMO Maybe its time do drop all our so called "name" players .. and go into the dreaded "Rebuilding mode"

Expect another 3 year playoff drought starting .... NOW :toropalm:
 
bckey said:
It has been posted on here quite a bit this week that the cap is not increasing in one big bump next year. More of an incremental increase over the next few years.
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Anything is considered big compared to this year. The scenario I put forth still makes sense even if it's not a "big" increase.
 
If this is all about resigning Mario then either Smith is crazy or McNair is getting involved and Smith has no balls or is crazy also. My perspective on Mario is he cannot stay healthy the whole season. I really cannot comprehend that they would blow up a team that was maybe a healthy QB away from the SB last year just to sign someone that wasn't even on the field most of last year.

If this is because the cap is worse than anybody but the FO knew then Smith has already made a HUGE mistake by keeping Mario last year and not trading so that he could have used the money saved to tie up some of our players last year and on top of that have additional high draft choices this year.

I hope this has to do with clearing cap space to sign some of our players and strengthen areas of need.

Gotta go with the latter but whatever it is going to be a very interesting time.

Does everything, not just the games, get more exciting when your team gets good??? We would never know as Texans fans because this is the first year we have been relevent. If so I sure like being relevent I think.
 
EVOLVIST said:
My best guess, off the top of my head?

Clearing space for Meyers & Brisel - Moving Rashad Butler to RT.

Goodbye Joel Dreesen, Hello Garrett Graham (just looking at how much money they make, and since they've been grooming Graham). Don't know much about Graham's blocking, but his pass catching is superb.

Goodbye Mario Williams. There's simply too many people out there who will spend a fortune on him.

Cut - Jacoby Jones.
Cut - Demeco Ryans.
Cut - Dominic Barber
Cut - Derrick Ward.
Cut - Jason Allen.
Cut - Mister Alexander.
Cut - Bryant Johnson.
Cut - Jeff Garcia
Cut - Jake Dellhome

Sign - Neil Rackers
Sign - Matt Turk
Sign - Casey Studdard
Sign - Quentin Demps
Sign - Tim Dobbins
Sign - Tim Bulman

FA - WR
FA - CB

Draft - OLB/WR/OT/ILB/WR/RB/QB
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Almost exactly what I'm thinking although I'd rather cut OD before I lose Dreesen for the price they both command.

DocBar said:
Anything is considered big compared to this year. The scenario I put forth still makes sense even if it's not a "big" increase.
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8 Million is big?
 
gafftop said:
If this is because the cap is worse than anybody but the FO knew then Smith has already made a HUGE mistake by keeping Mario last year and not trading so that he could have used the money saved to tie up some of our players last year and on top of that have additional high draft choices this year.
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I'm thinking if Mario wasn't willing to negotiate with the Texans last year, because he took no signing bonus and that final year was the payout for that, rising his average $ over the course of the contract to a respectable level for a number 1 pick, then why would he have been willing to do that for another team?

Maybe the reason they couldn't shop Mario was because Mario wasn't going to renegotiate his contract just when it was finally paying off for him and no team in their right mind is going to give up picks for a guy who's only contracted for one year.
 
NastyNate said:
8 Million is big?
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If the cap is rising by an average of 7-9% over the course of the new deal, as announced, then that is around $8-11mill per year.

If it doesn't rise this year, then thats going to have to be put back to future years too, so I wouldn't be shocked to see as much as $12 mill extra next offseason.

Either that, or the players are gonna have to start wondering if they got dicked in the negotiations.
 
welsh texan said:
I'm thinking if Mario wasn't willing to negotiate with the Texans last year, because he took no signing bonus and that final year was the payout for that, rising his average $ over the course of the contract to a respectable level for a number 1 pick, then why would he have been willing to do that for another team?

Maybe the reason they couldn't shop Mario was because Mario wasn't going to renegotiate his contract just when it was finally paying off for him and no team in their right mind is going to give up picks for a guy who's only contracted for one year.
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You know I agree with you that Mario was unwilling to negotiate or the Texans were not sure they wanted to negotiate. Either way at that point the FO should have realized what the situation with Mario was going to be this year and done EVERYTHING to get rid of him for the GOOD of the team long term. (I posted this back in April of 2011 so this is not after the fact QB'ing.) Even if that meant paying some of his contract to trade him. If that had been done maybe Myers or someone else would already be signed or at the bare minimum we would have additional high draft choices.. The kicker is that Smithiak were under pressure to keep their jobs last year. Easy for me as an outsider to make the decision last year to get rid of Mario because my job was not on the line, I guess.
 
gafftop said:
Even if that meant paying some of his contract to trade him.
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This is the NFL, not MLB. Teams can't pay a portion of a traded player's contract. It's been explained to you how difficult it would have been to trade Williams and his expiring contract. You don't seem to grasp that.
 
Something that MAY help us is if I am not mistaken a bunch of dead money drops off the CAP number for us this month. Just not sure what day it happens, but I think it is the 18th. That should open up some cap room also.
 
umm... wtf is going on with the server or is it just me that hasnt been able to get on for the last hr or 2?
 
Maddict5 said:
umm... wtf is going on with the server or is it just me that hasnt been able to get on for the last hr or 2?
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Yeh I was struggling too, suddenly thought something HUGE had happened and even made the mistake of checking the official board for any news. Then my brain began to hurt a little on reading :rake:
 
Maddict5 said:
umm... wtf is going on with the server or is it just me that hasnt been able to get on for the last hr or 2?
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Good, it wasn't just me. Thought my work banned me from this site for a second! haha

I don't know what's going on this offseason but I love it. I like how the Texans operate in their own CIA-clandestine way. It's like the girl that plays hard-to-get. I keep checking back to see what's happend.

All I know is it better be big. I really really believe we're going to re-sign Mario and Myers from all this. And the more time that goes on the more I want Peyton Manning (+ Wayne). I'd hate to get rid of Schaub b/c I really like him but we'd have to try and trade him.
 
welsh texan said:
Yeh I was struggling too, suddenly thought something HUGE had happened and even made the mistake of checking the official board for any news. Then my brain began to hurt a little on reading :rake:
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I tried reading the main board too.

Couldn't stomach it. It was like reading a 3rd grade newsletter. Geez that place is a piece of work.
 
I really hope this isn't an effort to free up cap space to sign Matt Flynn, Kyle Orton, or something off the wall:toropalm:

No way in hell does Mario deserve the contract he's going to get on the open market or from the Texans. An injury-prone player that just missed an entire season due to injury should be getting the biggest contract ever. Not a great fit for the 3-4 either.
 
DonnyMost said:
Getting rid of Dressen, Ward, Allen, and Delhomme... While resigning Studdard, Turk and Rackers... Talk about failure.
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Dreesen will probably get an offer we cant match to be a #1 somewhere else. We cant overpay for a number two TE, especially when we have Casey and Graham to take his place. Ward and Allen are gone. Delhomme retired. We do need to keep Rackers since there arent any better options out there right now. Turk will be until the suspension is lifted from Hartmann, and Studdard is depth if he is cheap, otherwise gone.
 
The1ApplePie said:
I really hope this isn't an effort to free up cap space to sign Matt Flynn, Kyle Orton, or something off the wall:toropalm:

No way in hell does Mario deserve the contract he's going to get on the open market or from the Texans. An injury-prone player that just missed an entire season due to injury should be getting the biggest contract ever. Not a great fit for the 3-4 either.
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Kyle Orton? No way. Flynn, I don't know. He to me could be the next Schaub or Kolb. Couple of good games as back-ups but never turn into elite starters. As far as Mario not being a fit for the 3-4, if we did this to keep him ... then Wade wants him that bad, and if Wade says he is the real deal, he is.
 
Bulls on Parade said:
This is all to re-sign Mario Williams. Heard Rick Smith had good conversations with his agent last night. Let's see what happens today shall we? Mario wants to stay in Houston. I'll tell you that much.
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Think this is a horrible move. Why would you clear out so many core guys to create space for a guy that was shown to not be as valuable last season with the emergence of other players. If it is to clear cap space for Myers, Brissel and some others, I get it. But for Mario..not a good move.
 
Originally Posted by EVOLVIST
Cut - Jacoby Jones.
Cut - Demeco Ryans.
Cut - Dominic Barber
Cut - Derrick Ward.
Cut - Jason Allen.
Cut - Mister Alexander.
Cut - Bryant Johnson.
Cut - Jeff Garcia
Cut - Jake Dellhome

Sign - Neil Rackers
Sign - Matt Turk
Sign - Casey Studdard
Sign - Quentin Demps
Sign - Tim Dobbins
Sign - Tim Gilman
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DonnyMost said:
Ryans and Jones are the only two guys you listed that are actually under contract.

Getting rid of Dressen, Ward, Allen, and Delhomme... While resigning Studdard, Turk and Rackers... Talk about failure.
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Personally, I don't want to see Demeco go, and perhaps I got caught up in last night's furor, which could have prompted that. We're talking about a guy who could restructure.

Otherwise, my guess at what's going to happen stands.

Dreesen = Gone, because you have Graham and Casey on roster.

Ward = Gone, because you have Foster, Tate and Williams already on roster and can draft a late round RB on the cheap. But in all fairness we could come to terms with Ward for the vet minimum, I bet...or we can pay half that for Williams who will only get 40 carries all year and a new guy on the PS.

Allen & Barber = Gone, because you want some money to pick up the aforementioned FA-CB, a Carlos Rodgers, Terrell Thomas, Lardarius Webb or the like.

Dellhomme = Gone, because he's on the books for 3mil, and I don't see how he'll come back for the vet minimum, so you you draft a late round QB who will probably never see the field.

Studdard - You need that vet guard who knows the ZBS. That's at a premium right now. I don't want to go into the season with just Shelly Smith, Andrew Gardner and a few rooks.

Rackers - It don't have to be him, but we need a kicker.

Turk - You have to have a punter until Hartmann finishes his meth rehab.
 
ckhouston said:
Dreesen will probably get an offer we cant match to be a #1 somewhere else. We cant overpay for a number two TE, especially when we have Casey and Graham to take his place. Ward and Allen are gone. Delhomme retired. We do need to keep Rackers since there arent any better options out there right now. Turk will be until the suspension is lifted from Hartmann, and Studdard is depth if he is cheap, otherwise gone.
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I think they find a way to keep Dreesen. I can see OD being a cap casualty next year when we work on re-signing Duane Brown, Connor Barwin and (possibly) Matt Schaub. Next year we'd have Dreesen, Casey and Graham as our top 3. Just throwing some thoughts out there.
 
Maddict5 said:
umm... wtf is going on with the server or is it just me that hasnt been able to get on for the last hr or 2?
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I figured all the BS that's been spewed on this board the past 24 hrs just finally blew the damn thing up!! :bomb:

It's taken Kubiak six years to build a team that is beginning to gel. A team with attitude, dedication, conviction, and belief that they are truly right on the verge of becoming a team with one goal in mind, to win the SB! Many articles have been written about our Oline, and how well they are playing as a unit. Winston received more votes then any RT in the NFL to go to the ProBowl, and has been a constant leader both for the team and the Community. He was willing to restructure his contract, but, the Texans didn't ask him, they just cut him. HOPEFULLY, he will be resigned, because I think the continued success of our Oline depends on it. There had to be other ways to salvage money than to cut Eric! I don't understand this move at all.

You want the team to develope a "I dont' give a ****" attitude? Let them cut Demeco Ryans, esp right now when we're on the verge of becoming an elite team. He has been the heart and soul of our D almost since the beginning, has restructured his contract before, has been a leader both on the field and off, and I don't know of ONE fan who does not want to see him stand on that stage and hold up that Lombardi with AJ!! I pray to God above that the possibility of cutting Meco is just a RUMOR, because I just can't imagine going to the SB without him! Yes, I'm a sentimental old fool!

As a diehard football fan, I simply HATE this time of year!!
 
gafftop said:
....maybe Myers or someone else would already be signed or at the bare minimum we would have additional high draft choices.. The kicker is that Smithiak were under pressure to keep their jobs last year. Easy for me as an outsider to make the decision last year to get rid of Mario because my job was not on the line, I guess.
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My opinion, is that the Texans were caught with their pants down. I think the plan all along was to retain our players, including Mario & Winston. However, their plan to do so was based on assumptions that did not pan out.

I'm sure they did not expect the salary cap to go down after the uncapped year. & it appears they were expecting it to increase in 2012, which it did not.
 
thunderkyss said:
My opinion, is that the Texans were caught with their pants down. I think the plan all along was to retain our players, including Mario & Winston. However, their plan to do so was based on assumptions that did not pan out.

I'm sure they did not expect the salary cap to go down after the uncapped year. & it appears they were expecting it to increase in 2012, which it did not.
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I'm not buying the idea that they got caught with their pants down.
I will assume that they had contingencies in place for an increased cap, and also for a cap at last year's level. They obviously had to wait to see what the official cap level was before pulling the trigger on one of their contingencies.
 
from Twitter

@LanceZierlein: According to source close to Texans, there appears to have been a shift in there FA strategy over the last 3-5 days. Something big coming?
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@LanceZierlein: I'm hearing the Texans are not close to a deal with Chris Myers or Mike Brisiel so I don't think Winston was cut in order to fit them in.
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@JeromeSolomon: Texans must be clearing space for something.
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https://twitter.com/#!/LanceZierlein

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I'm hearing the Texans are not close to a deal with Chris Myers or Mike Brisiel so I don't think Winston was cut in order to fit them in.
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Beat me Michael :)
 
I think something massive is about to go down. I think all of these cuts were to resign Mario and Myers, yes, but they appear to be going on a major cap clearing housecleaning.

They're planning something bigger.
 
Re: So... WTF is going on?
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Well, it's a little slow in the office. I'm trying to figure out what I want for lunch and even thinking ahead for dinner. I may just have a liquid dinner. :kitten:
 
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