Texans Salary Cap Thread

redwhiteblue · Feb 22, 2012

I understand a lot of information out there is not accurate, so take this with a grain of salt, but I wanted to try and get a better understanding of where the Texans stand this summer for myself. I am going off the $123,000,000 cap for 2012. The Texans have 44 players under contract for a total of $101,419,000 leaving $21,581,000 and have 9 spots to fill on their roster.

That leaves free agents of Williams, Foster, Myers, Brisiel, Dreessen, Demps, Barber, Studdard, Rackers, Ward, Allen.

I am going to assume the Texans sign 4 of their draft picks which would cost $4,200,000, which brings the number down to $17,381,000 and 5 spots left on the roster.

If the Texans cut Jacoby Jones, Matt Leinart, Garrett Graham, that will bring the number back up to $24,702,000, and have 8 spots left on roster.

Texans can re-sign Chris Myers at $4,500,000, comparible to Ryan Kalil, bring their remaining money to $20,202,000, and have 7 spots left on roster.

Texans can re-sign Mike Brisiel at $2,000,000, comparible to Wade Smith, bring their remaining money to $18,202,000, and have 4 spots left on roster.

Texans can re-sign Neil Rackers at $1,500,000, bring their remaining money to $16,702,000 and have 3 spots left on roster.

Texans can re-sign Quintin Demps at $585,000, bring their remaining money to $16,117,000 and have 2 spots left on roster.

Texans can re-sign Arian Foster at $8,200,000, comparible to Maurice Jones Drew, bring their remaining money to $7,917,000 and have 1 spot left on roster.

With restructuring contracts for Owen Daniels, Eric Winston, Johnathan Joseph, Kevin Walter and/or cutting additional players, the Texans could bring their remaining money up to try and clear $12,000,000 for Mario or for an additional free agent OLB or WR.

amazing80 · Feb 22, 2012

redwhiteblue said:
I understand a lot of information out there is not accurate, so take this with a grain of salt, but I wanted to try and get a better understanding of where the Texans stand this summer for myself. I am going off the $123,000,000 cap for 2012. The Texans have 44 players under contract for a total of $101,419,000 leaving $21,581,000 and have 9 spots to fill on their roster.

That leaves free agents of Williams, Foster, Myers, Brisiel, Dreessen, Demps, Barber, Studdard, Rackers, Ward, Allen.

I am going to assume the Texans sign 4 of their draft picks which would cost $4,200,000, which brings the number down to $17,381,000 and 5 spots left on the roster.

If the Texans cut Jacoby Jones, Matt Leinart, Garrett Graham, that will bring the number back up to $24,702,000, and have 8 spots left on roster.

Texans can re-sign Chris Myers at $4,500,000, comparible to Ryan Kalil, bring their remaining money to $20,202,000, and have 7 spots left on roster.

Texans can re-sign Mike Brisiel at $2,000,000, comparible to Wade Smith, bring their remaining money to $18,202,000, and have 4 spots left on roster.

Texans can re-sign Neil Rackers at $1,500,000, bring their remaining money to $16,702,000 and have 3 spots left on roster.

Texans can re-sign Quintin Demps at $585,000, bring their remaining money to $16,117,000 and have 2 spots left on roster.

Texans can re-sign Arian Foster at $8,200,000, comparible to Maurice Jones Drew, bring their remaining money to $7,917,000 and have 1 spot left on roster.

With restructuring contracts for Owen Daniels, Eric Winston, Johnathan Joseph, Kevin Walter and/or cutting additional players, the Texans could bring their remaining money up to try and clear $12,000,000 for Mario or for an additional free agent OLB or WR.

How did you sign 2 people but account for 4? The problem with OD and Ryans is they are too expensive to cut and too soon to restructure. Our biggest issue is our draft picks are starting to pan out and their contracts are expiring and we continue to sign contracts with ballooning salaries. I dont see how you sign our top free agents and quality depth signings and then dish out 10+ million for Mario.

redwhiteblue · Feb 22, 2012

amazing80 said:
How did you sign 2 people but account for 4? The problem with OD and Ryans is they are too expensive to cut and too soon to restructure. Our biggest issue is our draft picks are starting to pan out and their contracts are expiring and we continue to sign contracts with ballooning salaries. I dont see how you sign our top free agents and quality depth signings and then dish out 10+ million for Mario.

While I agree the texans need to plan for their future free agents, I don't think they can pass on doing everything the can for Mario and foster and their O Line right now. A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. Anything can happen between now and then

2slik4u · Feb 22, 2012

redwhiteblue said:
I understand a lot of information out there is not accurate, so take this with a grain of salt, but I wanted to try and get a better understanding of where the Texans stand this summer for myself. I am going off the $123,000,000 cap for 2012. The Texans have 44 players under contract for a total of $101,419,000 leaving $21,581,000 and have 9 spots to fill on their roster.

That leaves free agents of Williams, Foster, Myers, Brisiel, Dreessen, Demps, Barber, Studdard, Rackers, Ward, Allen.

I am going to assume the Texans sign 4 of their draft picks which would cost $4,200,000, which brings the number down to $17,381,000 and 5 spots left on the roster.

If the Texans cut Jacoby Jones, Matt Leinart, Garrett Graham, that will bring the number back up to $24,702,000, and have 8 spots left on roster.

Texans can re-sign Chris Myers at $4,500,000, comparible to Ryan Kalil, bring their remaining money to $20,202,000, and have 7 spots left on roster.

Texans can re-sign Mike Brisiel at $2,000,000, comparible to Wade Smith, bring their remaining money to $18,202,000, and have 4 spots left on roster.

Texans can re-sign Neil Rackers at $1,500,000, bring their remaining money to $16,702,000 and have 3 spots left on roster.

Texans can re-sign Quintin Demps at $585,000, bring their remaining money to $16,117,000 and have 2 spots left on roster.

Texans can re-sign Arian Foster at $8,200,000, comparible to Maurice Jones Drew, bring their remaining money to $7,917,000 and have 1 spot left on roster.

With restructuring contracts for Owen Daniels, Eric Winston, Johnathan Joseph, Kevin Walter and/or cutting additional players, the Texans could bring their remaining money up to try and clear $12,000,000 for Mario or for an additional free agent OLB or WR.

Not sure if this accurate or not but this is an extremely well thought out post for a newbie. Good post. Rep.

Maddict5 · Feb 22, 2012

redwhiteblue said:
I understand a lot of information out there is not accurate, so take this with a grain of salt, but I wanted to try and get a better understanding of where the Texans stand this summer for myself. I am going off the $123,000,000 cap for 2012. The Texans have 44 players under contract for a total of $101,419,000 leaving $21,581,000 and have 9 spots to fill on their roster.

With restructuring contracts for Owen Daniels, Eric Winston, Johnathan Joseph, Kevin Walter and/or cutting additional players, the Texans could bring their remaining money up to try and clear $12,000,000 for Mario or for an additional free agent OLB or WR.

where are you getting your figures?

not trying to be an ass but i just want to see how accurate that is. I presume those are salary figures you used? what about prorated bonuses etc from restructured contracts from previous yrs etc?

i dont think any fan can come up with an accurate cap figure when we dont have info like that available to us

Mike77015 · Feb 22, 2012

Only fault I see is that you lost two player signings after 7 spots remained.

redwhiteblue · Feb 22, 2012

Maddict5 said:
where are you getting your figures?

not trying to be an ass but i just want to see how accurate that is. I presume those are salary figures you used? what about prorated bonuses etc from restructured contracts from previous yrs etc?

i dont think any fan can come up with an accurate cap figure when we dont have info like that available to us

Yeah I tried to explain in the intro that these numbers could be way off. The site had two different numbers listed, the salary and the cap hit that includes bonuses. I used the cap hit number and like you said us outside the organization will never know the true numbers, but I was just trying to crunch some numbers and do a fun experiment to help pass the time while we wait for all the texans off season moves to start. I would like to keep Mario and foster and Myers and brisiel and was just trying to see if that was even close to a reality

redwhiteblue · Feb 22, 2012

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Mike77015 said:
Only fault I see is that you lost two player signings after 7 spots remained.

Yeah I messed that up, my mistake.

redwhiteblue · Feb 22, 2012

2slik4u said:
Not sure if this accurate or not but this is an extremely well thought out post for a newbie. Good post. Rep.

Thanks

Maddict5 · Feb 22, 2012

redwhiteblue said:
Yeah I tried to explain in the intro that these numbers could be way off. The site had two different numbers listed, the salary and the cap hit that includes bonuses. I used the cap hit number and like you said us outside the organization will never know the true numbers, but I was just trying to crunch some numbers and do a fun experiment to help pass the time while we wait for all the texans off season moves to start. I would like to keep Mario and foster and Myers and brisiel and was just trying to see if that was even close to a reality

well if it is fairly accurate, i dont see how we dont sign everybody we want back (although tbh ive thought we would resign mario, arian and myers all along and this salary cap pressure we're supposedly under is overhyped filler 'news')

Maddict5 said:
also am i missing something or does is seem pretty easy to resign nearly everyone after reading that? i presume the $3m cap space is what we have currently (ie 2011 salary cap figures)?

if that is the case it should not be that difficult to resign everybody?

Current cap space-> 3m
Restructure JJoe, Demeco & OD like aj suggests-> at least $10m
Cut JJ, Leinart-> most of 7m
Mario, Myers, other FA's etc 2011 cap figure coming off the books->at least 15m

thats at least 35m (even with conservative estimates of potential cap savings without mentioning any increase to the 2012 cap or extensions to guys like schaub & duane that would reduce their cap hits) which should be plenty to lock down all our key guys

what am i missing?

Bubbajwp · Feb 22, 2012

Remember we need a few million for rookies also.

NCTexan · Feb 22, 2012

Bubbajwp said:
Remember we need a few million for rookies also.

He didn't. He got the extra money back from cutting some people.

redwhiteblue said:
I am going to assume the Texans sign 4 of their draft picks which would cost $4,200,000, which brings the number down to $17,381,000 and 5 spots left on the roster.

SteveSlaton20 · Feb 22, 2012

Texans can re-sign Neil Rackers at $1,500,000, bring their remaining money to $16,702,000 and have 3 spots left on roster.

No thanks, we need to go after a new kicker.

ObsiWan · Feb 22, 2012

redwhiteblue said:
I understand a lot of information out there is not accurate, so take this with a grain of salt, but I wanted to try and get a better understanding of where the Texans stand this summer for myself. I am going off the $123,000,000 cap for 2012. The Texans have 44 players under contract for a total of $101,419,000 leaving $21,581,000 and have 9 spots to fill on their roster.

That leaves free agents of Williams, Foster, Myers, Brisiel, Dreessen, Demps, Barber, Studdard, Rackers, Ward, Allen.

I am going to assume the Texans sign 4 of their draft picks which would cost $4,200,000, which brings the number down to $17,381,000 and 5 spots left on the roster.

If the Texans cut Jacoby Jones, Matt Leinart, Garrett Graham, that will bring the number back up to $24,702,000, and have 8 spots left on roster.

Texans can re-sign Chris Myers at $4,500,000, comparible to Ryan Kalil, bring their remaining money to $20,202,000, and have 7 spots left on roster.

Texans can re-sign Mike Brisiel at $2,000,000, comparible to Wade Smith, bring their remaining money to $18,202,000, and have 4 spots left on roster.

Texans can re-sign Neil Rackers at $1,500,000, bring their remaining money to $16,702,000 and have 3 spots left on roster.

Texans can re-sign Quintin Demps at $585,000, bring their remaining money to $16,117,000 and have 2 spots left on roster.

Texans can re-sign Arian Foster at $8,200,000, comparible to Maurice Jones Drew, bring their remaining money to $7,917,000 and have 1 spot left on roster.

With restructuring contracts for Owen Daniels, Eric Winston, Johnathan Joseph, Kevin Walter and/or cutting additional players, the Texans could bring their remaining money up to try and clear $12,000,000 for Mario or for an additional free agent OLB or WR.

Now this is a "Let's play GM" post even I can follow. I don't know how accurate the salary numbers are but they don't look too off-base to me.
This looks much more logical than repeatedly yelling "We can't afford everyone!!" I like this since it shows, definitively, why we're close to the edge.

+1

Playoffs · Feb 22, 2012

Yep, most definitive outline of the very murky cap conundrum. Rep.

amazing80 · Feb 22, 2012

redwhiteblue said:
I understand a lot of information out there is not accurate, so take this with a grain of salt, but I wanted to try and get a better understanding of where the Texans stand this summer for myself. I am going off the $123,000,000 cap for 2012. The Texans have 44 players under contract for a total of $101,419,000 leaving $21,581,000 and have 9 spots to fill on their roster.

That leaves free agents of Williams, Foster, Myers, Brisiel, Dreessen, Demps, Barber, Studdard, Rackers, Ward, Allen.

I am going to assume the Texans sign 4 of their draft picks which would cost $4,200,000, which brings the number down to $17,381,000 and 5 spots left on the roster.

If the Texans cut Jacoby Jones, Matt Leinart, Garrett Graham, that will bring the number back up to $24,702,000, and have 8 spots left on roster.

Texans can re-sign Chris Myers at $4,500,000, comparible to Ryan Kalil, bring their remaining money to $20,202,000, and have 7 spots left on roster.

This is possible, BUT his salary balloons to over 9 million the 3rd season and over 11 million in his 6th season, not very smart considering the massive deals already in place.

Texans can re-sign Mike Brisiel at $2,000,000, comparible to Wade Smith, bring their remaining money to $18,202,000, and have 4 spots left on roster.

Not bad here. This would be a great deal.

Texans can re-sign Neil Rackers at $1,500,000, bring their remaining money to $16,702,000 and have 3 spots left on roster.

The top kickers in the league range from 3-4 million PER against the salary, I am not sure if he takes that little amount.

http://www.spotrac.com/top-salaries/nfl/cap-hit/kicker/

Texans can re-sign Quintin Demps at $585,000, bring their remaining money to $16,117,000 and have 2 spots left on roster.

Again, not sure he would sign for this low of a number. Id say at minimum it would be closer to 1 million. He plays a lot and is versatile on special teams.

Texans can re-sign Arian Foster at $8,200,000, comparible to Maurice Jones Drew, bring their remaining money to $7,917,000 and have 1 spot left on roster.

I think he signs closer to 9 million a season, but maybe we convince him to take less. That would be between D Williams and C Johnsons deal.

With restructuring contracts for Owen Daniels, Eric Winston, Johnathan Joseph, Kevin Walter and/or cutting additional players, the Texans could bring their remaining money up to try and clear $12,000,000 for Mario or for an additional free agent OLB or WR.

I hate this because you're assuming they agree to it. They have no reason to re-do their deals and are too costly to just cut. We have no leverage over them to re-structure.

So assuming my numbers, you have 5 million left with 3 roster spots left. You need to replace J Jones, Leinart, and Graham, and even if you draft to replace them, you have 3 wholes on your team. So for 5 million and 3 roster spots, you will NOT be able to sign Mario.....

Mr teX · Feb 22, 2012

redwhiteblue said:
I understand a lot of information out there is not accurate, so take this with a grain of salt, but I wanted to try and get a better understanding of where the Texans stand this summer for myself. I am going off the $123,000,000 cap for 2012. The Texans have 44 players under contract for a total of $101,419,000 leaving $21,581,000 and have 9 spots to fill on their roster.

That leaves free agents of Williams, Foster, Myers, Brisiel, Dreessen, Demps, Barber, Studdard, Rackers, Ward, Allen.

I am going to assume the Texans sign 4 of their draft picks which would cost $4,200,000, which brings the number down to $17,381,000 and 5 spots left on the roster.

If the Texans cut Jacoby Jones, Matt Leinart, Garrett Graham, that will bring the number back up to $24,702,000, and have 8 spots left on roster.

Texans can re-sign Chris Myers at $4,500,000, comparible to Ryan Kalil, bring their remaining money to $20,202,000, and have 7 spots left on roster.

Texans can re-sign Mike Brisiel at $2,000,000, comparible to Wade Smith, bring their remaining money to $18,202,000, and have 4 spots left on roster.

Texans can re-sign Neil Rackers at $1,500,000, bring their remaining money to $16,702,000 and have 3 spots left on roster.

Texans can re-sign Quintin Demps at $585,000, bring their remaining money to $16,117,000 and have 2 spots left on roster.

Texans can re-sign Arian Foster at $8,200,000, comparible to Maurice Jones Drew, bring their remaining money to $7,917,000 and have 1 spot left on roster.

With restructuring contracts for Owen Daniels, Eric Winston, Johnathan Joseph, Kevin Walter and/or cutting additional players, the Texans could bring their remaining money up to try and clear $12,000,000 for Mario or for an additional free agent OLB or WR.

they aren't restructuring Joseph's contract 1 year in.

Big Lou · Feb 22, 2012

redwhiteblue said:
I understand a lot of information out there is not accurate, so take this with a grain of salt, but I wanted to try and get a better understanding of where the Texans stand this summer for myself. I am going off the $123,000,000 cap for 2012. The Texans have 44 players under contract for a total of $101,419,000 leaving $21,581,000 and have 9 spots to fill on their roster.

That leaves free agents of Williams, Foster, Myers, Brisiel, Dreessen, Demps, Barber, Studdard, Rackers, Ward, Allen.

I am going to assume the Texans sign 4 of their draft picks which would cost $4,200,000, which brings the number down to $17,381,000 and 5 spots left on the roster.

If the Texans cut Jacoby Jones, Matt Leinart, Garrett Graham, that will bring the number back up to $24,702,000, and have 8 spots left on roster.
Texans can re-sign Chris Myers at $4,500,000, comparible to Ryan Kalil, bring their remaining money to $20,202,000, and have 7 spots left on roster.

Texans can re-sign Mike Brisiel at $2,000,000, comparible to Wade Smith, bring their remaining money to $18,202,000, and have 4 spots left on roster.

Texans can re-sign Neil Rackers at $1,500,000, bring their remaining money to $16,702,000 and have 3 spots left on roster.

Texans can re-sign Quintin Demps at $585,000, bring their remaining money to $16,117,000 and have 2 spots left on roster.

Texans can re-sign Arian Foster at $8,200,000, comparible to Maurice Jones Drew, bring their remaining money to $7,917,000 and have 1 spot left on roster.

With restructuring contracts for Owen Daniels, Eric Winston, Johnathan Joseph, Kevin Walter and/or cutting additional players, the Texans could bring their remaining money up to try and clear $12,000,000 for Mario or for an additional free agent OLB or WR.

I'm pretty sure we get additional funds to sign Draft Picks.

Also are you accounting for the dead money in the contracts of th cut players. They don't count straight against the cap, some money stays on the book as dead cap money.

amazing80 · Feb 22, 2012

Big Lou said:
I'm pretty sure we get additional funds to sign Draft Picks.

Also are you accounting for the dead money in the contracts of th cut players. They don't count straight against the cap, some money stays on the book as dead cap money.

Yes and no. There is a rookie salary within the team salary, but if the rookie is within the top 51 paid players on their team then the salary and bonuses count towards the whole salary cap. If they are NOT the top 51 paid players on the team than ONLY their bonuses count against the cap.

Now consider a third-round draft pick for the same team. He signs a four-year contract with minimum base salaries and a signing bonus of $700,000. His first-year cap number would be $485,000, consisting of his $310,000 base salary and his $175,000 bonus proration. All $485,000 would count against his team's rookie pool and against his team's salary cap. However, by assuming his place in the team's top 51 cap numbers, he knocks the player with a $400,000 cap number ($385,000 base salary) out of the team's top 51. For that player, his base salary no longer counts against the cap, leaving only the other $15,000 counting against the cap. The net result is that the team's cap room is reduced by only $100,000 the draftee's $485,000 is charged against the cap, but the second-year player's $385,000 base salary no longer is.

http://adamjt13.blogspot.com/2009/04/rookie-pool-and-salary-cap.html

Dutchrudder · Feb 22, 2012

A for effort OP, plenty around here have done the same and come up with about the same numbers given public information. However, the question has been somewhat resolved by John Clayton, who claims we have 3.3 million here:

The Houston Texans and San Diego Chargers didn't have enough remaining room to push money over into 2012, so Houston has $3.3 million of cap space and San Diego has $9.2 million.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7570116/nfl-plenty-cap-room-improve

We simply don't know enough about the details of the Texans' contracts to pinpoint their cap numbers. We know reports of players restructuring deals last year pushed money into 2012 and beyond, but nobody outside the Texans FO knows how much got moved. We also don't know exactly what dead money they owe this year, or exactly how much each contract escalates. It's all guesswork with rotoword, spottrac or whatever you're using. In any case, it looks like Rick has a lot of work to do.

AcresHomesTexan · Feb 22, 2012

Dutchrudder said:
A for effort OP, plenty around here have done the same and come up with about the same numbers given public information. However, the question has been somewhat resolved by John Clayton, who claims we have 3.3 million here:

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7570116/nfl-plenty-cap-room-improve

We simply don't know enough about the details of the Texans' contracts to pinpoint their cap numbers. We know reports of players restructuring deals last year pushed money into 2012 and beyond, but nobody outside the Texans FO knows how much got moved. We also don't know exactly what dead money they owe this year, or exactly how much each contract escalates. It's all guesswork with rotoword, spottrac or whatever you're using. In any case, it looks like Rick has a lot of work to do.

This is posting is accurate. I appreciate the attempt by the OP (like a fact based attempt), but almost every guy who does this for a living has the Texans under 10 million (no additional roster cuts), so the 20 plus million amount seems like a lack of accurate information more than anything.

ChampionTexan · Feb 22, 2012

Mr teX said:
they aren't restructuring Joseph's contract 1 year in.

They restructured DeMeco's after one year, and Pittsburgh just did Lawrence Timmons and Lamar Woodley after a year.

The earlier into the contract, the easier it is to restructure, and the more potential it has to generate cap room in the year it's restructured. Lots of restructures have no negative economic impact, and some even have a slight favorable impact on the player (In Timmons case, he will actually receive $1.925 Million of what was originally 2012 base salary as a bonus before the season starts).

I firmly believe that some contracts are written specifically to allow for easy restructure in the first year or two.

Maddict5 · Feb 22, 2012

Mr teX said:
they aren't restructuring Joseph's contract 1 year in.

restructuring is just shifting garunteed money and salary- the actual total amound paid out remains the same

no players is going to turn down getting their salary in march over getting it sept-dec, 1 yr into a contract or 4 yrs its shouldnt matter. renegotiating is a totally different matter

ChampionTexan · Feb 22, 2012

ArlingtonTexan said:
This is posting is accurate. I appreciate the attempt by the OP (like a fact based attempt), but almost every guy who does this for a living has the Texans under 10 million (no additional roster cuts), so the 20 plus million amount seems like a lack of accurate information more than anything.

Another example that this is extremely difficult and complex even for connected guys like Clayton was pointed out in the last day or two by KC General Manager Scott Pioli.

Just FYI, the players the article is referring to are Duane Bowe, and Brandon Carr, and the $63 Million cap number came from Clayton.

Some would say the Chiefs have more than enough cap room to sign both guys. But Pioli explained that the $63 million number recently publicized doesnt reflect incentives and escalators from 2011 that hit the cap in 2012. He said that roughly $25 million will be consumed by such payments, which puts the real cap bulge in the neighborhood of $38 million.

LINK

Maybe I'm wrong, but I'm gonna guess that whatever the Texans "Incentives and escalators from 2011" are, nobody on this board has correctly factored them in when doing their own estimates/calculations.

Dutchrudder · Feb 22, 2012

ChampionTexan said:
Another example that this is extremely difficult and complex even for connected guys like Clayton was pointed out in the last day or two by KC General Manager Scott Pioli.

Just FYI, the players the article is referring to are Duane Bowe, and Brandon Carr, and the $63 Million cap number came from Clayton.

LINK

Maybe I'm wrong, but I'm gonna guess that whatever the Texans "Incentives and escalators from 2011" are, nobody on this board has correctly factored them in when doing their own estimates/calculations.

I'm racking my brain trying to figure out how the hell the Chiefs paid 25 million in incentives. That team was bad and didn't make the playoffs, it must have been for games started or something. They sent 2 guys to the probowl, nobody made all-pro, and they had a bunch of injuries. I just don't know how they pay out that much in one bad year.

ChampionTexan · Feb 22, 2012

Dutchrudder said:
I'm racking my brain trying to figure out how the hell the Chiefs paid 25 million in incentives. That team was bad and didn't make the playoffs, it must have been for games started or something. They sent 2 guys to the probowl, nobody made all-pro, and they had a bunch of injuries. I just don't know how they pay out that much in one bad year.

Maybe Pioli's lieing through his teeth (he was brought up in the Bill Belichick school of football you know), but the point is that given the complexities, and the unreliability of information available to the vast majority of us, it's probably kind of a fool's errand to try to figure this out yourself.

(and if anybody wonders what I mean by the unreliability of the information available, compare Jacoby's 2011 base salary amount on Spotrac to the paragraph 5 minimum salary for 4-6 year veterans as reflected in the current CBA). (Hint - his 2011 base salary reflected on Spotrac is more than $200,000 below the minimum for a player with his tenure).

thunderkyss · Feb 22, 2012

redwhiteblue said:
Texans can re-sign Arian Foster at $8,200,000, comparible to Maurice Jones Drew, bring their remaining money to $7,917,000 and have 1 spot left on roster.

With restructuring contracts for Owen Daniels, Eric Winston, Johnathan Joseph, Kevin Walter and/or cutting additional players, the Texans could bring their remaining money up to try and clear $12,000,000 for Mario or for an additional free agent OLB or WR.

Looks good to me...... except, I don't think we'll have to go with an $8M cap number for Arian, or a $12M cap number for Mario. I'm thinking closer to $6M for Arian, closer to $10M for Mario.

Remember, I'm talking about cap number, not "avg value" of the contract, or guaranteed money. The money they're paid over the first 2 or 3 years is rarely reflected in their cap numbers.

thunderkyss · Feb 22, 2012

ArlingtonTexan said:
This is posting is accurate. I appreciate the attempt by the OP (like a fact based attempt), but almost every guy who does this for a living has the Texans under 10 million (no additional roster cuts), so the 20 plus million amount seems like a lack of accurate information more than anything.

"Everyone" assumes they are going by contracts that are still on the books until March 13, including Mario.

The OP stated he is only counting the contracts of 44 players..... not 53.

I don't know if he's using 2011 salaries or 2012..... like Dutch said.... nobody knows the 2012 numbers, so he has to be using 2011 numbers, which we know won't carry over.

badboy · Feb 23, 2012

redwhiteblue said:
I understand a lot of information out there is not accurate, so take this with a grain of salt, but I wanted to try and get a better understanding of where the Texans stand this summer for myself. I am going off the $123,000,000 cap for 2012. The Texans have 44 players under contract for a total of $101,419,000 leaving $21,581,000 and have 9 spots to fill on their roster.

That leaves free agents of Williams, Foster, Myers, Brisiel, Dreessen, Demps, Barber, Studdard, Rackers, Ward, Allen.

I am going to assume the Texans sign 4 of their draft picks which would cost $4,200,000, which brings the number down to $17,381,000 and 5 spots left on the roster.

If the Texans cut Jacoby Jones, Matt Leinart, Garrett Graham, that will bring the number back up to $24,702,000, and have 8 spots left on roster.

Texans can re-sign Chris Myers at $4,500,000, comparible to Ryan Kalil, bring their remaining money to $20,202,000, and have 7 spots left on roster.

Texans can re-sign Mike Brisiel at $2,000,000, comparible to Wade Smith, bring their remaining money to $18,202,000, and have 4 spots left on roster.

Texans can re-sign Neil Rackers at $1,500,000, bring their remaining money to $16,702,000 and have 3 spots left on roster.

Texans can re-sign Quintin Demps at $585,000, bring their remaining money to $16,117,000 and have 2 spots left on roster.

Texans can re-sign Arian Foster at $8,200,000, comparible to Maurice Jones Drew, bring their remaining money to $7,917,000 and have 1 spot left on roster.

With restructuring contracts for Owen Daniels, Eric Winston, Johnathan Joseph, Kevin Walter and/or cutting additional players, the Texans could bring their remaining money up to try and clear $12,000,000 for Mario or for an additional free agent OLB or WR.

If the Texans are going to sign only 4 draft picks I hope they use the other 3 picks to trade. I have not seen any projections of a Texans player's contract going up tremendously in 2012. There will some increase over all but should not stop them from doing what they want.

Dutchrudder · Feb 23, 2012

badboy said:
If the Texans are going to sign only 4 draft picks I hope they use the other 3 picks to trade. I have not seen any projections of a Texans player's contract going up tremendously in 2012. There will some increase over all but should not stop them from doing what they want.

I hadn't really thought about it before, but I wonder how much cap space the Texans could save by trading out of the 1st and using 5-7th picks to move up their 2-4 picks. Might help pinch some pennies in a cap crunch.

redwhiteblue · Feb 28, 2012

these were the numbers I had for 2012
Player Salary Cap Hit
J Joseph $7.250 $9.750
M Schaub $7.150 $8.316
A Johnson $6.500 $9.328
O Daniels $6.500 $6.500
D Ryans $5.900 $7.150
A Smith $5.500 $8.000
E Winston $5.500 $5.500
D Manning $5.000 $5.000
J Jones $4.791 $4.941
K Walter $3.500 $3.500
M Leinart $3.000 $3.000
S Cody $2.250 $2.250
W Smith $2.000 $2.000
R. Butler $1.533 $2.158
B Cushing $1.153 $2.359
JJ Watt $0.856 $2.524
D Brown $0.781 $1.362
K Jackson $0.700 $2.013
G Quin $0.565 $0.607
C Barwin $0.565 $0.917
A Caldwell $0.565 $0.766
J Casey $0.565 $0.611
T Jamison $0.565 $0.569
B McCain $0.565 $0.591
B Harris $0.546 $0.771
B Reed $0.546 $0.884
E Mitchell $0.490 $0.899
D Sharpton $0.490 $0.624
G Graham $0.490 $0.821
S McManis $0.490 $0.538
S Smith $0.490 $0.516
B Tate $0.490 $0.490
R Carmichael $0.490 $0.589
D Newton $0.465 $0.489
TJ Yates $0.465 $0.511
J Nading $0.555
S Keo $0.555
T Nolan $0.565
B Braman $0.490
M Alexander $0.490
B Hartmann $0.490
L Jean $0.490
J Maehl $0.490
A Gardner $0.490

badboy · Feb 28, 2012

Dutchrudder said:
I hadn't really thought about it before, but I wonder how much cap space the Texans could save by trading out of the 1st and using 5-7th picks to move up their 2-4 picks. Might help pinch some pennies in a cap crunch.

Not as much as under previous CBA but I have advocated that type savings before. This draft could be a real significant chance of seeing a trade back. Konz, Poe, Hightower and some others who could be there would be worth losing to pick up another 2nd and 3rd +maybe a 2013 pick. I'm hoping Tannehill or maybe Hill is there & someone will offer a high package for #26.

badboy · Feb 28, 2012

Hope that amount on Jacoby is correct as it adds more $ to my cut him scenario. He and Leinert = a re-signed Foster.

Playoffs · Feb 28, 2012

PFT now reporting cap may be lower than most expected.

Grams · Feb 29, 2012

2012 top 51″ cap numbers, as of February 28
Posted by Mike Florio on February 28, 2012, 11:15 PM EST
[Editor's note: The following list reflects salary cap numbers for the top 51 players currently under contract with each team. It does not include potential cap carryover from 2011. For those numbers, click here.]

Raiders: $145.7 million.

Giants: $129.1 million.

Panthers: $128.5 million.

Cowboys: $124.3 million.

Lions: $123.0 million.

Jets: $120.9 million.

Packers: $120.7 million.

Steelers: $120.5 million.

Texans: $118.9 million.

Rams: $118.0 million.

Cardinals: $117.7 million.

Ravens: $116.3 million.

Vikings: $116.0 million.

Eagles: $112.8 million.

Chargers: $112.8 million.

Dolphins: $112.7 million.

Seahawks: $110.0 million.

Saints: $109.6 million.

Chiefs: $108.9 million.

Colts: $107.5 million.

Jaguars: $107.3 million.

49ers: $105.9 million.

Bills: $104.7 million.

Browns: $103.4 million.

Patriots: $102.6 million.

Bears: $101.9 million.

Falcons: $101.5 million.

Broncos: $98.7 million.

Titans: $94.5 million.

Redskins: $93.5 million.

Buccaneers: $92.7 million.

Bengals: $83.5 million.

El Tejano · Feb 29, 2012

badboy said:
Hope that amount on Jacoby is correct as it adds more $ to my cut him scenario. He and Leinert = a re-signed Foster.

I quoted this because I tend to agree with it. However, I don't remember if Bryant Johnson was brought in during the preseason or during the regular season. If during the regular season, I believe he showed some promise that if given a full offseason to work with our QBs he would actually have better hands to be better than Jacoby and Demps showed enough on the return duties IMO.

redwhiteblue · Feb 29, 2012

mario williams is still under contract

Playoffs · Feb 29, 2012

Raiders 75% higher than Bengals ... wow.

badboy · Feb 29, 2012

I think it is interesting to note that Texans signed 2011 picks, handled escalating deals and went strong in free agency to sign 2 high dollars starters yet did not have to use the new CBA's tool allowing team to borrow $3million from a future year.

ckhouston · Feb 29, 2012

El Tejano said:
I quoted this because I tend to agree with it. However, I don't remember if Bryant Johnson was brought in during the preseason or during the regular season. If during the regular season, I believe he showed some promise that if given a full offseason to work with our QBs he would actually have better hands to be better than Jacoby and Demps showed enough on the return duties IMO.

Bryant Johnson qualifies for AARP. :specnatz:

Isn't he old?

badboy · Feb 29, 2012

ckhouston said:
Bryant Johnson qualifies for AARP. Isn't he old?

6 for 90 yds turns 31 next week and is a 2012 free agent. Doubt he wil be here.

http://www.chron.com/sports/texans/article/Texans-sign-receiver-Bryant-Johnson-2146543.php

thunderkyss · Feb 29, 2012

redwhiteblue said:
these were the numbers I had for 2012
Player Salary Cap Hit
J Joseph $7.250 $9.750
M Schaub $7.150 $8.316
A Johnson $6.500 $9.328
O Daniels $6.500 $6.500
D Ryans $5.900 $7.150
A Smith $5.500 $8.000
E Winston $5.500 $5.500
D Manning $5.000 $5.000
J Jones $4.791 $4.941
K Walter $3.500 $3.500
M Leinart $3.000 $3.000
S Cody $2.250 $2.250
W Smith $2.000 $2.000
R. Butler $1.533 $2.158
B Cushing $1.153 $2.359
JJ Watt $0.856 $2.524
D Brown $0.781 $1.362
K Jackson $0.700 $2.013
G Quin $0.565 $0.607
C Barwin $0.565 $0.917
A Caldwell $0.565 $0.766
J Casey $0.565 $0.611
T Jamison $0.565 $0.569
B McCain $0.565 $0.591
B Harris $0.546 $0.771
B Reed $0.546 $0.884
E Mitchell $0.490 $0.899
D Sharpton $0.490 $0.624
G Graham $0.490 $0.821
S McManis $0.490 $0.538
S Smith $0.490 $0.516
B Tate $0.490 $0.490
R Carmichael $0.490 $0.589
D Newton $0.465 $0.489
TJ Yates $0.465 $0.511
J Nading $0.555
S Keo $0.555
T Nolan $0.565
B Braman $0.490
M Alexander $0.490
B Hartmann $0.490
L Jean $0.490
J Maehl $0.490
A Gardner $0.490

That's only $101.469M, for 44 players, we should have no problem signing anyone.

But, according to Charlie Palilo, we are only $7M under the cap without our FA..... we (or someone) must be looking at something wrong.

redwhiteblue · Feb 29, 2012

thunderkyss said:
That's only $101.469M, for 44 players, we should have no problem signing anyone.

But, according to Charlie Palilo, we are only $7M under the cap without our FA..... we (or someone) must be looking at something wrong.

I believe profootball talk said we are $7million under the cap right now, but all the texans players are still under contract until march 13.

amazing80 · Mar 4, 2012

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1087910-texans-free-agency-tracking-2012-signings-targets-and-rumors#/articles/1087910-texans-free-agency-tracking-2012-signings-targets-and-rumors/page/3

Spotrac, the popular contract tracking website, lists the Texans at having $96,801,485 counting against the salary cap in 2012. With a likely cap of $125 million, that means the Texans have nearly $30 million in cap room for 2012.

This would make sense if we account for all expiring contracts including Marios 18 plus million

It goes on to say that we could cut Jones, Leinart and Walter and have ANOTHER 11 plus million. This would leave enough money to sign Mario, Foster, Myers, Barwin, Brown and have money left to sign a legit wide out

Lurvinator11 · Mar 4, 2012

If this is true, we need to act quick.

Lucky · Mar 4, 2012

Merged salary cap threads. If another internet genius thinks he knows what's up with the Texans cap situation, link it here.

amazing80 · Mar 4, 2012

Lucky said:
Merged salary cap threads. If another internet genius thinks he knows what's up with the Texans cap situation, link it here.

Ouch

alphajoker · Mar 10, 2012

I read that official salary cap numbers were coming out March 9. Has anyone seen anything official released yet?

http://blogs.nfl.com/2012/03/08/official-2012-salary-cap-numbers-to-be-released-friday/

ChampionTexan · Mar 10, 2012

alphajoker said:
I read that official salary cap numbers were coming out March 9. Has anyone seen anything official released yet?

http://blogs.nfl.com/2012/03/08/official-2012-salary-cap-numbers-to-be-released-friday/

Were still working out cap details with the union, NFL spokesman Greg Aiello said via email Saturday morning. The teams will receive the numbers as soon as everything is completed.

LINK

alphajoker · Mar 10, 2012

ChampionTexan said:
LINK

Cool, thanks.

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