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CB Stanford Routt signs with Chiefs

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http://www.rotoworld.com/headlines/nfl/227665/raiders-release-top-corner-stanford-routt

t's not clear if the surprising move is for financial reasons or if Routt did something incur the wrath of the new regime. Routt had restructured his contract last August to five years and $54.5 million, an exorbitant number even for the team's top cover corner.


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Stanford Routt played in all 16 games last year and set career-highs with 15 passes defensed and four interceptions.


Well, here’s the first big surprising move of the offseason.

Oakland released cornerback Stanford Routt on Thursday, less than a year after the team gave him a “five-year, $54.5 million” contract. (It was originally a three-year, $31.5 million deal, then the team restructured the deal.)

Of course, Al Davis was the one who gave Routt that contract in 2011. G.M. Reggie McKenzie has since arrived and clearly doesn’t see Routt as a cornerback worth more than $10 million-per-season.

It’s a surprising move because it was reported last year that Routt’s $5 million 2012 base salary was guaranteed. It’s possible it was only guaranteed if Routt was on the roster past a certain date. (Once again, even “guaranteed” money isn’t always guaranteed.)

Routt started last season well and enjoyed a fine 2010 season, but he struggled badly down the stretch. He got picked on often despite having the tag as Oakland’s top cornerback.

As a 28-year-old with a lot of starting experience, Routt figures to attract plenty of free agent interest. For Routt, free agency starts Friday.



CB stats
http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/01/12/cornerbacks-a-glance-at-the-2011-numbers/
 
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HOLY CRAP! That was a short-lived deal. He is a UoH guy, maybe he's interested in a cheaper deal to play in Houston? I think he would be fine as a #2 CB in our system.
 
Depending on how much he wants I'd take a look. Kj is serviceable. How will he perform taking all of the #2 reps at corner? I don't know. Will he show expoential growth heading into year 3 as he did going into year 2? Again, I dunno. Rout is intriguing to me though because I think hed definitely be good enough to take all the #2 snaps.
 
Some tweets about it:

Adam Caplan: Stanford Routt's $5 million base salary was guaranteed if he was still on the roster as of Friday, a source confirmed.

Evan Silva: Stanford Routt can sign immediately because he was cut; contract didn't expire. 28-year-old press CB w/ great speed (4.27), size (6'1/195).

Ranking the top FA CBs: 1) B. Grimes 2) Finnegan 3) B. Carr 4) Routt 5) C. Rogers 6) Terrell Thomas 7) R. Mathis (knee)
 
Rey said:
Depending on how much he wants I'd take a look. Kj is serviceable. How will he perform taking all of the #2 reps at corner? I don't know. Will he show expoential growth heading into year 3 as he did going into year 2? Again, I dunno. Rout is intriguing to me though because I think hed definitely be good enough to take all the #2 snaps.
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I agree with you and plus as we all know speed is not a factor with Routt.
 
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Routt graded reasonably well in coverage, and numbers are OK, but offset a LOT of receiving yardage with penalty yardage. Skews data

RED FLAG

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Routt also allowed 9 TDs last season, which is more than any other CB surrendered

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Not saying Routt can't play, but he was being vastly overpaid. Can be a reasonable pickup for a team on a more sensible contract.
 
I like the idea of signing him if there was enough cap space. He would give up a lot less Touchdowns playing with the Texans because of their great pass rush.
 
Dutchrudder said:
Some tweets about it:

Adam Caplan: Stanford Routt's $5 million base salary was guaranteed if he was still on the roster as of Friday, a source confirmed.

Evan Silva: Stanford Routt can sign immediately because he was cut; contract didn't expire. 28-year-old press CB w/ great speed (4.27), size (6'1/195).

Ranking the top FA CBs: 1) B. Grimes 2) Finnegan 3) B. Carr 4) Routt 5) C. Rogers 6) Terrell Thomas 7) R. Mathis (knee)
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Any of these would be an upgrade for the Texans.
 
gg no re said:
How did he rank as a corner when Nnamdi was on the other side of the field?
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I don't have my archive Hard drive with me, but I seem to recall him giving up something over 2.00 yards per play in coverage and falling outside of the top 100 in those metrics in 2009(the last year I charted). For comparison Asomuga was giving up something ridiculous like 0.25 YPPIC, and Dunta Robinson, who received a similar contract, was giving up just ~0.8

I was shocked when they gave him a huge contract.
 
Stanford Routt's agent William Vann McElroy told me, "Stanford already has visits planned with Buffalo and Tennessee."

Evan Silva @evansilva
#Titans quick show of interest in Stanford Routt suggests franchise tagging Cortland Finnegan is not in plans. Finnegan should hit market.
 
This is just yet another in a long line of face palm moments from the Raiders. They signed Nnamdi Asomugha to a deal and then put in a clause that could void the contract which allowed him to leave. They sign Routt, a #2 CB to #1 CB money and then are surprised he doesn't live up to the deal and cut him after 1 season.

Perhaps we should trade them Kareem Jackson and Jason Allen for their 2013 first rounder. After all, Oakland would be getting the better end of the deal since they would be getting 2 first rounders and we would only be getting 1, right?!
 
I'd like to see him in our D at reasonable incentive base contract. Especially if Oakland picks up any costs? If year one not guaranteed, I believe he is fee to negotiate complete new deal with any team. WIth Joesph next to him and our guys behind him and our front 7.....could be a great pick up.
 
badboy said:
I'd like to see him in our D at reasonable incentive base contract. Especially if Oakland picks up any costs? If year one not guaranteed, I believe he is fee to negotiate complete new deal with any team. WIth Joesph next to him and our guys behind him and our front 7.....could be a great pick up.
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There are way too many teams who need a starting CB (or two) for that to be a even semi-realistic hope. The Oakland contract will not defray any costs, and what difference does it make if year one's not guaranteed unless you plan on waiving him before it's over?
 
ChampionTexan said:
There are way too many teams who need a starting CB (or two) for that to be a even semi-realistic hope. The Oakland contract will not defray any costs, and what difference does it make if year one's not guaranteed unless you plan on waiving him before it's over?
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To clarify my post; if Oakland did pay something on his contract that would reduce first year costs to team signing him, but I said I did no think that was the case. I think Texans would have already set up interview if interested.
 
badboy said:
To clarify my post; if Oakland did pay something on his contract that would reduce first year costs to team signing him, but I said I did no think that was the case. I think Texans would have already set up interview if interested.
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That can only be the case in a trade or a waiver claim. Routt is a vet with more than 4 years experience and is not on waivers. He is an unrestricted free agent now who can sign with any team. However, he will get a good chunk of money from the Raiders anyways. 20 million minus whatever he made last year, although that figure is fuzzy at the moment.
 
Routt has been the bad part of Jason allen more than bad Jason allen has been bad Jason Allen..i.e. he rarely makes up for the awful stuff with the pure ball skills and speed that Allen manages to get away with.
 
Dutchrudder said:
That can only be the case in a trade or a waiver claim. Routt is a vet with more than 4 years experience and is not on waivers. He is an unrestricted free agent now who can sign with any team. However, he will get a good chunk of money from the Raiders anyways. 20 million minus whatever he made last year, although that figure is fuzzy at the moment.
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So you agree he could dcide money not main issue and come to Texans wanting to show his worth sort of like Pollard did?
 
ArlingtonTexan said:
Routt has been the bad part of Jason allen more than bad Jason allen has been bad Jason Allen..i.e. he rarely makes up for the awful stuff with the pure ball skills and speed that Allen manages to get away with.
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I think he had 4 INTs 2011; maybe our DB coach could help him as he have the rest of our guys?
 
badboy said:
So you agree he could dcide money not main issue and come to Texans wanting to show his worth sort of like Pollard did?
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Oh, well if you mean his personal preferences, then yeah I suppose he may be willing to take less money to sign with a good team to prove himself, kind of like Carlos Rodgers did with the 49ers last year. I thought you were saying that his contract would be less of a cap hit because the Raiders were picking up part of the tab. The Raiders will have a good amount of dead money this year due to releasing him, but it won't effect any other team's cap number.

In any case, I think Routt will sign within a week or two and get decent money in the neighborhood of 3-5 mill a year for a couple years. His money will be determined by the amount of bidders though, and given that he already has some visits scheduled, I don't think the Texans will have a chance to sign him. The Texans can't do anything until the Mario/Myers/Foster situations are handled. I'm OK with that though, because I think there are better CB values in free agency.
 
gary said:
No, but given the defense now I might just sign a corner for much less and then draft an OLB.
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Yeah I have been voicing what we could do with Mario's cap & if lucky draft picks received. I and others have mentioned New England as a perfect fit as they have 2 picks in first and second. I think CBs in free agency is not where we should go due to lack of talent. Dwayne Bowe WR Kansas City and Hick OG for Saints could be had for the $17 to $20m Mario cost and we could use our second round #58 for Vinny Curry who hade 74 tackles and 11 sacks.

We use our #26 on slot WR Kendall Wright (JJ and KW cap added as they are cut). Then use Pats first on Peter Konz Wisconsin center.
 
srrono said:
ProFootballFocus.com @ProFootbalFocus
Routt graded reasonably well in coverage, and numbers are OK, but offset a LOT of receiving yardage with penalty yardage. Skews data

RED FLAG
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Routt was worst in the league in TDs allowed and worst in penalties -- dangerous combination.
 
gary said:
Would you sign a free agent corner or Mario if you had the choice?
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I don't think anyone in this FA class, except MAYBE Carlos Rodgers will be worth it in FA.

I think this question essentially framed is the old question of elite pass rusher or shutdown corner.

I think, especially given being in a 3-4 its easier for a guy to grow into at least a very serviceable pass rusher. On the other hand, I think other than franchise QB the next hardest position to find elite performance at is CB.

If it was my call I'd sign a guy like Nnamdi Aso to the big contract in this defense vs Mario. Not saying Mario is chopped liver, but having JJ and Aso locking down the outside you got more time for your high motor guys to get to the QB.

:2cents:
 
Jason La Canfora @JasonLaCanfora

Former Raiders CB Stanford Routt visiting BUF today, KC tomorrow and HOU, DAL and TEN later this week.
 
ThaShark316 said:
Jason La Canfora @JasonLaCanfora

Former Raiders CB Stanford Routt visiting BUF today, KC tomorrow and HOU, DAL and TEN later this week.
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I think Vance Joseph and Wade could really get this guy playing at a high level. However I think we'll be outbid for his services.
 
Houston is probably the best team on that list. Will he take a fair deal from us to come home and play on a really good young defense.
 
Reportedly he will be vising Houston this week

Former Raiders CB Stanford Routt visiting BUF today, KC tomorrow and HOU, DAL and TEN later this week.
 
I think he was pretty good during his years with Nmandi in Oakland. Not much of a premier guy but would make a better #2 than KJ or Allen.
 
Does this mean they will let Mario just walk and use his money elsewhere? It sure looks that way.
 
gary said:
Does this mean they will let Mario just walk and use his money elsewhere? It sure looks that way.
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What gives you that idea?

This has nothing to do with Mario. They may want to see where his head is at. If he's thinking he's a #1 & will get #1 offers from the rest of the league, the Texans may very well pass on him.

If he thinks he can contribute & take Jason Allen type money, it may behove us to try to sign him.

We also may be testing the waters... to see what capital our play-off appearance has earned us with FAs.
 
Texn4life said:
I think Vance Joseph and Wade could really get this guy playing at a high level. However I think we'll be outbid for his services.
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XI CMURDER IX said:
I think he was pretty good during his years with Nmandi in Oakland. Not much of a premier guy but would make a better #2 than KJ or Allen.
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Mr. Texan said:
while he racks up a lot of penalties maybe wade and joseph can help perfect his technique :kitten:
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While he does get a lot of penalties (which can be attributed to playing in S&B), Routt actually statistically ranks as one of the better DBs in the NFL. I'm not going to look it up right now, but his numbers have been up there with Revis' numbers with regard to percentages.
 
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Texans exploring every option. I am not saying they need to break he bank for this guy, but if one guy were to get injured on defense , I do not want it to be j-Jo . (at this time,draft and such ....pending)
 
thunderkyss said:
What gives you that idea?

This has nothing to do with Mario. They may want to see where his head is at. If he's thinking he's a #1 & will get #1 offers from the rest of the league, the Texans may very well pass on him.

If he thinks he can contribute & take Jason Allen type money, it may behove us to try to sign him.

We also may be testing the waters... to see what capital our play-off appearance has earned us with FAs.
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Im sorry but you SEEM oblivious to the salary cap. If we sign guys like this THERE IS NO MONEY FOR MARIO AND FOR SCHAUB, FOSTER AND MYERS.....Its all about economics and unless we plan on cutting people OR re working MULTIPLE deals, signing a legit free agent will most likely end any chance we have at Mario
 
The fact that they are looking at other free agents gives me that idea they just seem to be covering all their bases.
 
amazing80 said:
Im sorry but you SEEM oblivious to the salary cap. If we sign guys like this THERE IS NO MONEY FOR MARIO AND FOR SCHAUB, FOSTER AND MYERS.....Its all about economics and unless we plan on cutting people OR re working MULTIPLE deals, signing a legit free agent will most likely end any chance we have at Mario
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R you serious? Routt just proven he wasn't worth #1 money. The Raiders would much rather eat $7M of their cap than to have him play as their #2.

Where do you rank Stanford Routt among these FAs?
  • Courtland Innegan
  • Brent Grimes
  • Brandon Carr
  • Carlos Rogers
  • Ladarius Webb

Then there are still guys out there like Richard Marshall, Tracy Porter, Jason Allen, & Aaron Ross....

How much money are you planning on throwing at 28yr/old Stanford Routt after 7 seasons?
 
thunderkyss said:
R you serious? Routt just proven he wasn't worth #1 money. The Raiders would much rather eat $7M of their cap than to have him play as their #2.

Where do you rank Stanford Routt among these FAs?
  • Courtland Innegan
  • Brent Grimes
  • Brandon Carr
  • Carlos Rogers
  • Ladarius Webb

Then there are still guys out there like Richard Marshall, Tracy Porter, Jason Allen, & Aaron Ross....

How much money are you planning on throwing at 28yr/old Stanford Routt after 7 seasons?
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:aggressive: Its not about signing ANYONE when mario is involved. If Mario is signed, NO ONE BUT OUR free agents can be signed, and even that will be hard, If you let Mario walk, give him a deal.

Lets say we get a friendly deal like you posted in the mario thread, that leaves us 11 million, as you said, do you really think you can get Foster, Myers, Brisiel and ALL of our draft picks signed plus leave room for the next off-season for Schaub, Brown and possibly Barwin?

Bottom line is, we're a great team with tons of talent and paying a large sum for Mario would be stupid, let him walk and replace him with the pieces we have.....
 
Each one of the other teams listed is not a playoff team, so if he was going to come here it would be for a ring and to come home. If he's willing to give us a discount sure, give him an offer, but otherwise no reason to get him.
 
amazing80 said:
:aggressive: Its not about signing ANYONE when mario is involved. If Mario is signed, NO ONE BUT OUR free agents can be signed, and even that will be hard, If you let Mario walk, give him a deal.

Lets say we get a friendly deal like you posted in the mario thread, that leaves us 11 million, as you said, do you really think you can get Foster, Myers, Brisiel and ALL of our draft picks signed plus leave room for the next off-season for Schaub, Brown and possibly Barwin?

Bottom line is, we're a great team with tons of talent and paying a large sum for Mario would be stupid, let him walk and replace him with the pieces we have.....
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First, we've yet to find out how much cap room we've got. I've kicked so many scenarios out there I don't know which one you are talking about.

There is no evidence that signing Mario will prevent us from signing others, or being active in FA.

How much do you think the 36 players on our roster count towards the cap? 120M Only a dozen of them have contracts worth talking about.

We've got money & Bob ain't cheap.
 
thunderkyss said:
R you serious? Routt just proven he wasn't worth #1 money. The Raiders would much rather eat $7M of their cap than to have him play as their #2.

Where do you rank Stanford Routt among these FAs?
  • Courtland Innegan
  • Brent Grimes
  • Brandon Carr
  • Carlos Rogers
  • Ladarius Webb

Then there are still guys out there like Richard Marshall, Tracy Porter, Jason Allen, & Aaron Ross....

How much money are you planning on throwing at 28yr/old Stanford Routt after 7 seasons?
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You should read up on Routt first before you make assumptions. His biggest problem is actually his penalties. Couldn't find the recent STATS INC. numbers, but this should give you an idea:

2010

#1 - Darrelle Revis, New York Jets: 33.9%, 19 burns on 56 targets, 340 yards, 4 TD, 10 passes defensed

#2 - Stanford Routt, Oakland Raiders: 39.4%, 39 burns on 99 targets, 635 yards, 5 TD, 13 passes defensed

#3 - Brandon Carr, Kansas City Chiefs: 39.8%, 43 burns on 108 targets, 758 yards, 6 TD, 25 passes defensed

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/sh...tion-burn-rate-for-cornerbacks?urn=nfl,wp2995

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...ompared-to-darrelle-revis-and-nnamdi-asomugha


Here's the bad:

2011

According to STATS LLC, opponents were held to a 47.4 completion percentage against Routt. But he allowed eight touchdown passes, tied for the second-most in the NFL, and led the league with 17 penalties committed.
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. . . http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/cowboys/post/_/id/4690097/cowboys-express-interest-in-stanford-routt
 
Routt 2010 with Aso on the other side = good CB.

Routt 2011 without Aso = bad CB...

I don't know which he would be in our defense, but I imagine he will cost too much for us.
 
This guy with Joseph beside him and our safeties behind him should revert to 2010 and be a good signing if he sets his price low. He will get higher offers but where does he want to finish his career? Again, this should be an interesting off season with chances to build our dynasty.A solid # 2 Cb without a draft pick and allowing our younger guys to mature would be sweet. Allen money is very low 2011 so that is not even a starting point.
 
While I think he would be a very good addition to our secondary, I doubt very much we will be able to get into the game to get his services. We are one of the 5 teams with the least amount of cap space available and we have several of our own guys that we need to sign who will be big dollars. I would like to see us make this play, but we just don't have the money to get it done.
 
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