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Solomon: If Manning on market, Texans should be first in line

Brisco_County

Brisco_County

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Solomon wrote some articles I liked this year. This is not one of them.

I would like to put this issue to rest before it catches on. Solomon's arguments are basically that Schaub's recovery is unreliable, Manning is more durable than Schaub, Manning is Manning, and you have to pony up the contract for Manning if you're serious about winning a championship.

Once Manning is let go he should be as interested in the Texans as they would be in him. There might not be a better fit for him in the NFL.

The Texans possess an experienced offense with a strong line and some top-notch weapons as well as a stingy defense. The franchise should hold a dominant position in a weak division for the next couple of seasons, a point that theoretically should translate to a sure playoff berth and an easier path to the Super Bowl than most other potential suitors.

With Schaub missing the final eight games because of foot surgery, the Texans would be remiss if they didn’t try to woo Manning.

Manning, who threw for a career-best 4,700 yards in 2010 and for more than 4,000 in his five previous seasons (and in 11 of his 13 years in the league), turns 36 in March. Don’t get too caught up in the fact he missed last season. Those were the first games he had missed in his career.

Schaub, who will be 31 this summer, has missed 16 starts in 80 games as a Texan. Manning has missed 16 starts in 224 games. So which one is more of an injury risk?

A Texans official said Friday the team is confident and all early indications are that Schaub will be 100 percent by the start of next season. There is no guarantee of that.

He is coming off Lisfranc surgery on his foot, an injury from which some players never recover. Three years after that surgery forced him to miss a Patriots Super Bowl victory, Ty Law said he wasn’t 100 percent. Glenn Earl started every game at safety for the Texans in 2006, but he suffered that injury in an exhibition game the next season and never again played in the NFL.
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Let's dismiss the obvious first: Matt Schaub's job does not demand nimble maneuvering or power cleaning a DE. But that's a minor argument. The root argument against Solomon's assertion comes down to these three facts:

1) The Texans are not going to enter a bidding war they are certain to lose due to cap restrictions, and in the process demoralize their entrenched starter.
2) Manning is an on-the-field general who does not fit the Texans' West Coast style of executing the exact play called by the OC or Kubiak. Manning improvs, the Texans stick to the script.
3) Schaub is 31. Manning is 36.

Solomon has let his emotions get in the way of analysis here. That hasn't been an entirely bad tendency this year, since it has actually inspired some good articles where he played the role of optimistic, Texans flag waving opinion writer. The fanbase benefits from that, and I thought it was a fitting and distinctive role for him. But in this case, he wrote something that is not even in the same zip code as logic.
 
Solomon never ceases to amaze me!!

PLEASE Queen Solomon, put the pipe down.

A) Manning wants to call ALL the plays on the field.

B) Kubiak wouldn't give up the reigns to his offense.

C) No one knows the real status of Manning's neck.

D) They call Pay-me Manning for a reason.
 
Texan_Bill said:
Solomon never ceases to amaze me!!

PLEASE Queen Solomon, put the pipe down.

A) Manning wants to call ALL the plays on the field.

B) Kubiak wouldn't give up the reigns to his offense.

C) No one knows the real status of Manning's neck.

D) They call Pay-me Manning for a reason.
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Those reasons alone would make Manning a coach-killer like Favre was in his latter years. And for what, three years of service?
 
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Hit the road Jack & don't you come back no moe!!

8 pages of comments....... I think they have what they want.

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I like Schaub...I'd be fine w Manning coming in.
Manning for Mario? (Cap Wise)
What do we lose on Offense besides that bootleg pass?
 
Sheer lunacy. Cap-wise, team chemistry-wise, any other-wise. We can either go with the players that got us here or bring in fix-a-flat's that will wreck what got us here. ANY undrafted QB is fix-a-flat. If Luck or RGIII falls to us, snap them up. If not, keep on keeping on.
 
PapaL said:
I like Schaub...I'd be fine w Manning coming in.
Manning for Mario? (Cap Wise)
What do we lose on Offense besides that bootleg pass?
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That bootleg is the reason our offense works so well. I wouldn't get rid of it for anything.
 
Kaiser Toro said:
Boselli 2: Electric Dumbaloo
Solomon usually has no clue, this time it was just a softball of copy.
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Brilliant and hilarious!!! Good for you KT to show a comical side1!;)

The only difference is the deal for Boselli also brought us both Gary Walker and Seth Payne... Seth, BTW, does a weekly show on 1560 The Game and STILL refers to the Texans as "Us" and "We" which is kinda cool... Or should I say "KEWL" for the hipsters?
 
LOL

Nobody even knows if he will ever play again. 3 neck surgeries - and you guys complain about Schaub. One hit and he may never walk again.

Until he is cleared to play, it is stupid to even think about getting him.

You want to forfiet the rest of the team to pay him? There goes the no 2 defense as you can't afford to pay him and them. There goes Foster - you will not be able to afford him either.

Sure the Colts won a lot of games, but how many times did they actually make it to the Super Bowl? We can damn close with a 3rd string rookie.

Having Manning does not guarantee a trip to the Super Bowl. The Texans team we have right now without Manning has a better chance of getting there.
 
Texan_Bill said:
Solomon never ceases to amaze me!!

PLEASE Queen Solomon, put the pipe down.

A) Manning wants to call ALL the plays on the field.

B) Kubiak wouldn't give up the reigns to his offense.

C) No one knows the real status of Manning's neck.

D) They call Pay-me Manning for a reason.
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And Wade is not planning a secret overthrow of the team. :smiliepalm:
 
Cjeremy635 said:
That bootleg is the reason our offense works so well. I wouldn't get rid of it for anything.
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I disagree. The run game and play action is why our offense is so potent, not the bootleg pass to the TE. Manning also has one hell of a play fake...with virtually no run game.

Manning's Arm >>>>>> Schaub's Arm
Manning's Accuracy >>>>>> Schaub's Accuracy
 
A Texans official said Friday the team is confident and all early indications are that Schaub will be 100 percent by the start of next season. There is no guarantee of that.

He is coming off Lisfranc surgery on his foot, an injury from which some players never recover. Three years after that surgery forced him to miss a Patriots Super Bowl victory, Ty Law said he wasn’t 100 percent. Glenn Earl started every game at safety for the Texans in 2006, but he suffered that injury in an exhibition game the next season and never again played in the NFL.
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Solomon's article blows chunks, but that part I agree with.

Smithiak would be very foolish if they don't plan on Schaub never returning.
 
Marcus said:
Solomon's article blows chunks, but that part I agree with.

Smithiak would be very foolish if they don't plan on Schaub never returning.
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Schaub's been very confident in his progress. And he has no reason to fake it-- the starting job is still his.

Unless he thinks Kubiak is tempted to blow up everything he's coached for the past 20 years and break the bank for Manning.
 
Hi, my name _________________ and I work for the Houston Chronicle. My goal is to get as many people in an uproar over something that will NEVER happen as possible. You would think since I'm paid to be a journalist I could do something besides write a sensationalized, hypothetical and frankly dumb article. The funny thing is though, 60% of the time it works everytime. People are roaring. I'm getting paid. The Chronicle meanders on....
 
Good grief! Manning running boots is laughable.

I can picture his legs being the leg braces Forrest Gump wore that shattered when he wus runnang

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Brisco_County said:
Schaub's been very confident in his progress. And he has no reason to fake it-- the starting job is still his.

Unless he thinks Kubiak is tempted to blow up everything he's coached for the past 20 years and break the bank for Manning.
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I don't care how confident he says he is. He is about to find out how difficult it is to fully recover from a LisFranc. I had LisFranc surgery over two years ago, and I still haven't got all the balance back.

Edit: And FYI, the doc told me it will never feel like a foot again. It's pins and needles with every step I take.
 
The Texans should plan on Schaub not returning, it makes sense for the team. But Manning is not the answer here. If Schaub doesn't come back, they need to draft a QB or else just start Yates and go get some experienced backups again.

Manning is not coming to the Texans. It just isn't happening. I can't believe anyone would give serious thought to that.
 
Thorn said:
The Texans should plan on Schaub not returning, it makes sense for the team.
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How can the team reasonably do that?

If they are planning on Schaub not returning that means they are going to treat Yates as the starting QB or they need to get one in the draft.

Which one of those scenarios make you comfortable heading into next season...
 
Thorn said:
The Texans should plan on Schaub not returning, it makes sense for the team. But Manning is not the answer here. If Schaub doesn't come back, they need to draft a QB or else just start Yates and go get some experienced backups again.

Manning is not coming to the Texans. It just isn't happening. I can't believe anyone would give serious thought to that.
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I agree with Thorn all the way. I can see the reasons for bringing him here and man his play action would be hell for defenses, but we aint going after Manning.

However, this article does raise the question about if we need to get more insurance for the QB position. Like the article states, Schaub has had more seasons of being out for a few weeks than he's had healthy seasons.

Yates, although he got tested the best way a rookie could be tested, still doesn't make everyone comfortable and I'm sure after defenses have film on him, things can change for Yates very soon.

I doubt Lienart comes back and if he does, who here feels comfortable about that collar bone?

We can't put alot of money in a QB position through FA because we have our own players to get signed but I'm sure we could pick one up on the cheap. There should be some good late rounders available in this draft too. I wouldn't be opposed to drafting a Case Keenum in the 4th or 5th round. The question is, what other choices are there in FA and (I don't like him but I think his style could work here) Vince Young would be one hell of an insurance policy.
 
Unless he is a Texan or there is at least a small percentage of a chance he becomes a Texan, this should be posted under NFL forum. :kubepalm:
 
beerlover said:
Unless he is a Texan or there is at least a small percentage of a chance he becomes a Texan, this should be posted under NFL forum. :kubepalm:
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But it's talking about The Texans and what he would do for our team or not do for our team. It's not just about Manning. Isn't that acceptable?
 
Rey said:
How can the team reasonably do that?

If they are planning on Schaub not returning that means they are going to treat Yates as the starting QB or they need to get one in the draft.

Which one of those scenarios make you comfortable heading into next season...
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If we're confident Schaub will be healthy some time in 2012 season, We prepare Tj to start the season, wait for Matt to return.

If we're not so confident, we hold on to Leinart, prepare him as the starter, pup list Schaub if he isn't ready to go week 1.
 
thunderkyss said:
If we're confident Schaub will be healthy some time in 2012 season, We prepare Tj to start the season, wait for Matt to return.

If we're not so confident, we hold on to Leinart, prepare him as the starter, pup list Schaub if he isn't ready to go week 1.
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I can't see them doing that TK...

I don't think Leinart is as bad as a lot of folks do, but despite TJ's ugly performance against the Ravens in the play-offs (and some ugly play during the season), I think he'd get the start over Leinart.

But if they are not confident in Matt coming back I think I'd be more open to Manning or VY or trading up or whatever.....

I like TJ yates a lot though, so I wouldn't be too upset if the job was his.

If TJ was the starter heading into next year I'd expect that he'd be better than this past year. We can win with TJ yates at QB. We've proved that.

How much better he can get and whether or not he can have the offense rolling as good or better than Schaub did is up for much debate....
 
Texan_Bill said:
Solomon never ceases to amaze me!!

PLEASE Queen Solomon, put the pipe down.

A) Manning wants to call ALL the plays on the field.

B) Kubiak wouldn't give up the reigns to his offense.

C) No one knows the real status of Manning's neck.

D) They call Pay-me Manning for a reason.
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Where do you get this information? Just because you think something, doesn't mean you should speak of it like it's the absolute truth. Just to set things straight, 1) Manning did not call ALL the plays on the field. Tom Moore called in 3 plays to Manning, and Manning choose the best play after reading the defensive formation. 2) You don't think Kubiak would compromise some of his authority to coach one of the top QB's of all time? In fact, Kubiak is on record saying Schaub has the "go-ahead" to audible anytime he deems necessary. You talking wreckless son. :roast:
 
Solomon is throwing sh!t against the wall to see what sticks (Knowing full well it wont). This article is just something to write during a time where there isnt much to write about concerning the Texans ....


He did this instead of researching the draft or salary cap situation to intelligently speak on Free Agency or the draft. Just goes to show how much suck comes from the Houston Crapical.
 
Marcus said:
I don't care how confident he says he is. He is about to find out how difficult it is to fully recover from a LisFranc. I had LisFranc surgery over two years ago, and I still haven't got all the balance back.

Edit: And FYI, the doc told me it will never feel like a foot again. It's pins and needles with every step I take.
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Sorry to hear about your foot. Are you the one that Cloak gave a referral to?

I was not aware that it affected balance. I figured it was more of a support or strength problem.
 
Brisco_County said:
Sorry to hear about your foot. Are you the one that Cloak gave a referral to?

I was not aware that it affected balance. I figured it was more of a support or strength problem.
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If it wasn't for Cloak, I'd probably still be walking with a limp. I almost let the wrong doctor work on my foot. I found another one that Cloak approved of, but the damage was severe. The 2nd metatarsal was shattered, which completely ruptured the LisFranc ligament, plus avulsion fractures. The doc put in 2 plates and 12 screws to create a scaffold. He debrided all the bone fragments, and mixed them with a bone graft taken from my heel, and packed all the soft bone inside the scaffold, and then fused the joints in two places.

The plates and screws are still in there. The entire scaffold has calcified into solid bone, which was his intention. He told me I would eventually be able walk normally again, but it would take a long rehab, and it would never feel like the same foot ever again.

The problem with having a cast on your foot with no weight bearing for such a long time, causes the entire leg to atrophy. Schaub will need to completely get all of his foot strength back to match the other one.

Trying standing on one foot, with the other one up in the air. Notice how much your foot wiggles back and forth and side to side in order to keep from falling over. That's the balance that I'm referring to. If you don't any strength in the foot, you can't balance your weight on it.

Now, imagine that weakened foot with little balance is the plant foot of a QB, and how that would effect throwing accuracy?
 
Thorn said:
The Texans should plan on Schaub not returning, it makes sense for the team. But Manning is not the answer here. If Schaub doesn't come back, they need to draft a QB or else just start Yates and go get some experienced backups again.

Manning is not coming to the Texans. It just isn't happening. I can't believe anyone would give serious thought to that.
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Rey said:
How can the team reasonably do that?

If they are planning on Schaub not returning that means they are going to treat Yates as the starting QB or they need to get one in the draft.

Which one of those scenarios make you comfortable heading into next season...
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thunderkyss said:
If we're confident Schaub will be healthy some time in 2012 season, We prepare Tj to start the season, wait for Matt to return.

If we're not so confident, we hold on to Leinart, prepare him as the starter, pup list Schaub if he isn't ready to go week 1.
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I'll probably get pummelled for this but I'd bring Cajun Boy (Delhomme) back to compete with Capt. Checkdown (Leinart) if it became evident that Schaub won't be 100% by the end of OTAs.

We can't wait until camp is over to make this call. Whoever is ready at the end of OTAs goes into camp as the #1. Only Schaub is proficient enough in this offense to miss camp and still start the season. And even he will likely need preseason to shake the rust off.

Yates was too easily fooled by the disguised defenses he saw in the playoffs for my money. And don't think other teams won't have that "tape" on him. Everyone we face would try to confuse & abuse him in the same fashion. He would have to have a helluva preseason to demonstrate that he has acquired the experience and poise required to sit for Schaub until he gets back to 100%.

As for Manning being here...? I think if he's not healthy enough (or affordable enough) to be a Colt; he should retire. There has been medical opinions/speculation that his arm strength ain't what it used to be and may never be what it was. I found this paragraph from a Huffington Post article interesting....
Citing two sources with knowledge of Manning's rehabilitation from neck surgery, Cole reports that Manning's efforts to rebuild his arm strength since his most recent surgery have plateaued and it remains unclear if he'll ever be able to throw with the velocity necessary to play in the NFL. On Dec. 1, the Colts announced that Manning would be increasing the intensity of his workouts and that the fusion surgery on Manning's neck had achieved "firm fixation."
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Sorry, but bringing Manning to the Texans under these circumstances sounds like the Tony Boselli drama all over again.

Nooooo thanks.
 
Marcus said:
...but the damage was severe. The 2nd metatarsal was shattered, which completely ruptured the LisFranc ligament, plus avulsion fractures. The doc put in 2 plates and 12 screws to create a scaffold. He debrided all the bone fragments, and mixed them with a bone graft taken from my heel, and packed all the soft bone inside the scaffold, and then fused the joints in two places.
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this is nothing at all like Matt Schaub's injury. I wonder how much your experience with recovery is relevant to what's going on with Matt.
 
Fragile Mattie ain't a franchise QB but no way the Texans would ever take in Peyton.

A few average QBs like Matt Cassell (if KC keeps Orton) or Jason Campbell might be realistic options.

Then again, so could Sexy Rexy:kubepalm:
 
Grams said:
LOL

Nobody even knows if he will ever play again. 3 neck surgeries - and you guys complain about Schaub. One hit and he may never walk again.

Until he is cleared to play, it is stupid to even think about getting him.

You want to forfiet the rest of the team to pay him? There goes the no 2 defense as you can't afford to pay him and them. There goes Foster - you will not be able to afford him either.

Sure the Colts won a lot of games, but how many times did they actually make it to the Super Bowl? We can damn close with a 3rd string rookie.

Having Manning does not guarantee a trip to the Super Bowl. The Texans team we have right now without Manning has a better chance of getting there.
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Im not sure you have paid much attention to the surgeries he has had or why he went out in the first place but he is at no more risk of not being able to walk again than any other player from getting hit
 
One thought that springs from all this, how bad is Mannings agent to have negotiated that contract now? At the time Manning could easily have held out for more security than the Colts just being able to walk away at this stage, no way they'd have been able to bank on Luck falling straight into their lap and cutting him loose after just one season.
 
He'll almost certainly be on the FA market as the colts would be idiotic to pay that 28 million when they still don't know anything; so that's not an issue imo........But there is the tiny little issue of HIM EVER BEING ABLE TO PLAY AGAIN WITH HOW HIS NECK HAS BEEN SLOW TO HEAL!!!!

The last thing we need right now, on the cusp of taking over this division, is to get bogged down with another Tony Boselli fiasco.
 
PapaL said:
I disagree. The run game and play action is why our offense is so potent, not the bootleg pass to the TE. Manning also has one hell of a play fake...with virtually no run game.

Manning's Arm >>>>>> Schaub's Arm
Manning's Accuracy >>>>>> Schaub's Accuracy
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This is it in a nutshell. The reason why the texans run the playaction boot is because shaub is terrible when players are at his feet. He needs a perfect pocket to be effective, we all know that. The only problem I have is head,neck,or back. When dealing with those 3, its a crapshoot. In terms of the player, manning is better and will be better the next 3 yrs imo. Schaub is a manufactored kubiak production. Just from what I know about that injury, I don't think schaub will be back until mid season. The people who say that injury isnt bad for a non athletic guy is just wrong.
 
Sorry if we were able to find an non cap killer way to get Manning on board, and he wanted to come here to be part of the Texans I can't believe you don't take a chance on it.

How many times has Peyton killed us again and again.. I'd like to be on the other end of that for a while :)
 
Well has crazy has it might seem i been wondering this will schaub ever be the same from this foot injury will he be 100%. Come week 1. If peyton is 100% i say we make a bid cor him because lets face it peyton or schaub will only be our qb for two more years max maybe. After fhat im pretty sure the plan is to make tj yates the starter
 
Let me ask u this what is te current situation on schaubs foot is he getting better is he goong to miss all of otas and tranning camp if thats the case why the heck not go for peyton
 
I'd start TJ Yates with AJ and our two new WR draft picks and allow Schaub to heal During the season, I whisper "Matt, time to agree to a team friendly new contract for 2013. I see in my crystal ball a high draft pick in 2013 going for a QB. Oh there will not be a good in late first. Sorry. We luvs you Matty.
 
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