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Rookie T.J. Yates performed admirably and has a future with the Texans . . . but no NFL team can prosper with their top 2 QB's on IR! Starters Duane Brown (LOT) and Eric Winston (ROT) have all the impact of swinging doors in pass protection: Brown should move inside to his natural position of OG and Winston should battle 2011 draft choice Derek Newton for LOT, ultimately losing and becoming back-up swing tackle
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It seems like I have been saying this forever, that Brown isn't good at stopping a pass rusher who has open space to get around him, but would be a natural at guard. LG seems like the bigger need right now since Smith can't play too much longer. Brown next to center would open another dimension too: plays with a pulling guard.
 
thunderkyss said:
Yeah, I was just thinking the same thing.

We should call E. Salaam out of retirement for the 2012 season. Trade out of the first round this year, collect two first for next.... then maybe we can have a shot @ trading up next year & snagging an elite LT.

:sarcasm:
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What are Seth Wand and Victor Riley up to these days?
 
Seegara said:
It seems like I have been saying this forever, that Brown isn't good at stopping a pass rusher who has open space to get around him, but would be a natural at guard. LG seems like the bigger need right now since Smith can't play too much longer. Brown next to center would open another dimension too: plays with a pulling guard.
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Neg repped
 
Wait a minute. Have not people on this very MB complained about Winston & suggested he move inside? Brown is quietly getting job done so he is wrong there. I am satisifed with both OTs but whoever this is has the right to voice his opinion and give us material to discuss.
 
Seegara said:
It seems like I have been saying this forever, that Brown isn't good at stopping a pass rusher who has open space to get around him, but would be a natural at guard. LG seems like the bigger need right now since Smith can't play too much longer. Brown next to center would open another dimension too: plays with a pulling guard.
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:kubepalm: What the hell are you talking about?


I hope this is sarcasm... It IS sarcasm right?
 
badboy said:
Wait a minute. Have not people on this very MB complained about Winston & suggested he move inside? Brown is quietly getting job done so he is wrong there. I am satisifed with both OTs but whoever this is has the right to voice his opinion and give us material to discuss.
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Being satisfied with both OTs is a plausible opinion.

Moving Winston inside... plausible.

Moving Brown inside & Eric to the Left side


laughable.
 
Seegara said:
It seems like I have been saying this forever, that Brown isn't good at stopping a pass rusher who has open space to get around him, but would be a natural at guard. LG seems like the bigger need right now since Smith can't play too much longer. Brown next to center would open another dimension too: plays with a pulling guard.
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Brown was a beast this year. IIRC he went 10 or 11 straight games without giving up a sack plus he was a monster in the run game. And anybody who can break the eye socket a player that is wearing a helmet is one bad dude.

Now if you are talking to me about Eric Winston, well, he has a real nice future in radio. But that is my opinion.

Two QB's on IR looks bad but when one of those QB's happens to be Mr. Glass (C'mon now, in 6 years as a starter he has only finished 3 seasons without ending up on the IR list or missed half a season) and the other injury was an awkward fall on the shoulder, you can't blame that on the O-line.

Wasn't our OLine praised as one of the NFL's elite offensive lines?

DX-TEX said:
Neg repped
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You didn't really give neg rep to a guy just because he has a different point of view than you did ya?
 
thunderkyss said:
Being satisfied with both OTs is a plausible opinion.

Moving Winston inside... plausible.

Moving Brown inside & Eric to the Left side
laughable.
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Agreed but we have seen many posts about drafting or signing LT FA and moving Brown to LG, right? There have been suggestions to move both OTs inside, right?
 
Seegara said:
It seems like I have been saying this forever, that Brown isn't good at stopping a pass rusher who has open space to get around him, but would be a natural at guard. LG seems like the bigger need right now since Smith can't play too much longer. Brown next to center would open another dimension too: plays with a pulling guard.
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2012 called, it would like you and the idiot that has us taking an offensive tackle in round 1 to come on down from the distant past of 2008. Can't believe this post, very funny stuff, seriously.
 
All this shows me is that any dummy can create a website and talk about the draft. It also shows that he hasn't truly watched the Texans this past year if he thinks Duane Brown was a weakness on the team. Maybe he should ask Terrell Suggs if he thinks Brown is a poor Left Tackle.
 
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I'm just going to sidestep the outlandish, "Duane Brown is a revolving door at LT" (who, depending on who was keeping stats may have given up at most 2 sacks all of last year and at the very least zero while also having zero holding penalties) comment and move on to his other suggestion they make that proves this insider is a complete idiot.

He thinks Eric Winston should battle Derek freaking Newton to play LT, and predicts that Mr. 7th round/pretty much only played in goal line sets Newton will beat him out regulating Winston, a Pro-Bowl caliber tackle to the bench?!

If you look at all the other picks, it has a guy's named signed after each pick analysis. This gem of information doesn't have anyones name attached to it.
 
Texn4life said:
All this shows me is that any dummy can create and website and talk about the draft. It also shows that he hasn't truly watched the Texans this past year if he thinks Duane Brown was a weakness on the team. Maybe he should ask Terrell Suggs if he thinks Brown is a poor Left Tackle.
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badboy said:
Just giving information and imo Wade is our weakest link on Oline. Do you agree?
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I would say that's fair. Winston was a close 2nd for most of the year though. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt since he was pretty good the 3 years before this. He'll have to bounce back and show he can play more consistent against speed rushers this year.
 
Seegara said:
What does this mean?

Of course if Brown were moved inside we would have to find another LT in the draft of FA.
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While I'm a person that generally does not encourage "negative reps", they pretty much means your "take" sucked and pissed some people off!! Just sayin'!!


That said, I think neg reppin' people is kinda gay!! :wadepalm:
 
badboy said:
Just giving information and imo Wade is our weakest link on Oline. Do you agree?
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In 2011, yes. 2010 he was a stud.

Did he lose a step? Is he nursing a high ankle sprain? was his wife mess'n around?

I don't know what led to the 2011 performance, but yes, that position needs to be upgraded based on last year's performance.
 
The Cush said:
I'm just going to sidestep the outlandish, "Duane Brown is a revolving door at LT" (who, depending on who was keeping stats may have given up at most 2 sacks all of last year and at the very least zero while also having zero holding penalties) comment and move on to his other suggestion they make that proves this insider is a complete idiot.

He thinks Eric Winston should battle Derek freaking Newton to play LT, and predicts that Mr. 7th round/pretty much only played in goal line sets Newton will beat him out regulating Winston, a Pro-Bowl caliber tackle to the bench?!

If you look at all the other picks, it has a guy's named signed after each pick analysis. This gem of information doesn't have anyones name attached to it.
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It's "long ball" and I already sent him a email. If you click on the "contact us" tab.. You'll notice that "long ball" covers the Cowboys & Texans. Nobody signed their name to the cowboys picks either, so I'm assuming it's the same person. My guess is we have a jackass Cowboys fan trying to pretend that he has a clue about about our team or our players. I bet he hasn't even watched more than a handful of games...if he's even done that.

They need to find someone how has a remote clue about the Texans, because he's destroying the credibility of that site.
 
badboy said:
Just giving information and imo Wade is our weakest link on Oline. Do you agree?
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He had a down year after a really good 2010 but I would have to agree. Both guard positions can be upgraded and I'm totally fine with drafting an offensive lineman in the first round. It wouldn't be my first option but I wouldn't be upset with it.
 
thunderkyss said:
In 2011, yes. 2010 he was a stud.

Did he lose a step? Is he nursing a high ankle sprain? was his wife mess'n around?

I don't know what led to the 2011 performance, but yes, that position needs to be upgraded based on last year's performance.
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It's good we have the chance to upgrade one of the best Olines in NFL; that alone says we are moving in correct direction.
 
Carr Bombed said:
It's "long ball" and I already sent him a email. If you click on the "contact us" tab.. You'll notice that "long ball" covers the Cowboys & Texans. Nobody signed their name to the cowboys picks either, so I'm assuming it's the same person. My guess is we have a jackass Cowboys fan trying to pretend that he has a clue about about our team or our players. I bet he hasn't even watched more than a handful of games...if he's even done that.

They need to find someone how has a remote clue about the Texans, because he's destroying the credibility of that site.
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I'm glad you emailed him, I signed up and trolled out a post in their forums. After reading that analysis, I immediately thought the website has zero credibility. I mean, they want us to start a rookie at right tackle and Derek Newton to at left tackle next year?!
 
Texn4life said:
I would say that's fair. Winston was a close 2nd for most of the year though. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt since he was pretty good the 3 years before this. He'll have to bounce back and show he can play more consistent against speed rushers this year.
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Correct. By the same token, Brown has been lousy in pass blocking up until this season, and some contributors are now ready to make a hero out of him.
 
Seegara said:
Correct. By the same token, Brown has been lousy in pass blocking up until this season, and some contributors are now ready to make a hero out of him.
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Lousy? I'm really not sure if you're serious or not. The guy went from playing Tight End in college to blocking against the best pass rushers in the league starting off as a rookie. Anyone who expected him to dominate right off the bat was fooling themselves. He has progressed exactly like Gibbs said he would in this system and gotten much better every year. Now he's a top 3 LT in my book.

For the record I watched every Jets game for the past 2 years and I can tell you that Ferguson has been much worse than Duane Brown for the past 2 years. He's maybe the most overrated LT in the entire league in my opinion.
 
Seegara said:
Correct. By the same token, Brown has been lousy in pass blocking up until this season, and some contributors are now ready to make a hero out of him.
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So you honestly believe it is more likely we will see Duane regress as opposed to the alternative of him finally arriving as an elite LT? Did you write the analysis on that site or something?
 
Seegara said:
It seems like I have been saying this forever, that Brown isn't good at stopping a pass rusher who has open space to get around him, but would be a natural at guard. LG seems like the bigger need right now since Smith can't play too much longer. Brown next to center would open another dimension too: plays with a pulling guard.
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As a Texans fan who joined this board I assume that you watch the games. I will not attack someone personally behind the internet but this has to be a joke. If you watch the games I do not know how you can say that Brown should be moved inside to guard. Did you watch the Ravens game? SUGGS WAS A NON FACTOR, THE SAME SUGGS WHO REGISTERED 14 SACKS AND 70 TACKLES DURING THE REGULAR SEASON. If I knew how to negative rep you I would. This has to be a joke. I think that most GM's and scouts would agree that Brown was a top 5 LT this year. The guy who came up with that draft is.....he does not watch Texans games.
 
Texn4life said:
Lousy? I'm really not sure if you're serious or not. The guy went from playing Tight End in college to blocking against the best pass rushers in the league starting off as a rookie. Anyone who expected him to dominate right off the bat was fooling themselves. He has progressed exactly like Gibbs said he would in this system and gotten much better every year. Now he's a top 3 LT in my book.

For the record I watched every Jets game for the past 2 years and I can tell you that Ferguson has been much worse than Duane Brown for the past 2 years. He's maybe the most overrated LT in the entire league in my opinion.
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Then I must have been wrong.
 
Seegara said:
Then I must have been wrong.
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This has to be the same guy that from drafttek.com, there is no other explanation. No way anybody who watches the games could ever come to this conclusion. That would be like saying guys, we need to move # 24 to FS. He is not good at man coverage and Torrey Smith owned him in the playoffs.
 
I would love for us to draft a tackle that was so good that it forced brown to move inside. I don't see it happening but that would easily make this the best line in the league for the next 5-10 years.

Moving Winston? I'm not really sold on the idea. As long as we don't have a southpaw playing QB I'm fine with him.

Mike
 
Seegara said:
It seems like I have been saying this forever, that Brown isn't good at stopping a pass rusher who has open space to get around him, but would be a natural at guard. LG seems like the bigger need right now since Smith can't play too much longer. Brown next to center would open another dimension too: plays with a pulling guard.
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now i see why ur rep is negative. i wont add to it, but really. Schaub went down on a 4th and one play to where it was a QB sneak trying to get the first down, and Haynesworth fell on his foot. Haynesworth is a NT, so how is that on Duane or Winston, and Leinart is just fragile.

Sorry but we have one of the best O-Lines in football and they do a damn good job of keeping our QBs upright.
 
LMAO! I already got a response back from "Mr. Long ball".

Gentlemen, despite the tone of your e-mails, thank you for visiting Drafttek and we do answer all questions and comments from our visitors. Yes, WR is a need for the Texans roster (as a matter of fact, this week's CMD makes it 1st round value) . . . but so is defensive nose tackle and offensive line. Rather than reach for a wide receiver at a lesser value in the 26th position, the simulation assigned an offensive tackle in the 1st round and a nose tackle in the 2nd (and WR A.J. Jenkins of Illinois was taken in the 3 rd round). Keep in mind that wide receivers who make an impact in their rookie season are a rarity in the NFL and due to salary cap restrictions, teams need immediate contribution from 1st and 2nd round selections.



Now, having said all that, I think this week's CMD selections will make you happier.



OK, so here’s my logic on the OL . . . Duane Brown, while performing admirably at OT, would be a consistent Pro Bowl performer inside at OG. He was moved from TE to OL at Virginia Tech, and since he was the their best OL, he played OT . . . but would be a holy terror pulling to lead a sweep, not to mention getting to the 2 nd level with his combination of power and footwork. With the exception of the center position, manned by Chris Meyers, the interior of the Texans OL has to be improved. And if Meyers leaves in free agency, the Texans might have to move Antoine Caldwell to replace him, further reducing the OG depth. Eric Winston is a ticking time bomb who should be a starting LOT in this league . . . do you remember him walking out of the Combine? I've been watching this kid since his high school days at Midland, Texas and he could be as good as he wants to be, but he does not apply himself. I sincerely hope with a full off-season, 2011 draft choice Derek Newton is “coached up” to challenge for a starting position.



Now, I could go into detail about the OL requirements necessary to play the ZBS that Kubiak uses . . . but the Texans rushing attack, while impressive yardage-wise due to big plays, was inconsistent and could not produce when it had to as evidenced by 3 rd or 4 th down and short conversion %. If the running game produced as it should have, the passing attack would have been even more consistent with play-action passes. And this all goes back to the OL, both run-blocking and pass-blocking. This sounds like nit-picking of a play-off team, but there are very few weaknesses to address in the draft and I'm looking at a number of moving pieces that would make them even stronger.



Now here’s a challenge for you . . . do you think you could do better? If so, I will let you assign the priority code inputs and write the selection commentary for next week’s simulation. We'll make it a collaborative effort, and consider it a job interview for the position of Houston Texans Team Analyst . . . I will critique your work. So how about it . . . want to put your money (yes, it does pay a little bit) where your mouth is?



Regards,

Long Ball
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Eric Winston is now a "ticking time bomb" who can't control his emotions.


This guy doesn't have a clue. Who gives a crap how good Brown would be as a pulling guard. You could literally say that about any decent LT in the league. The LT is usually the most athletic and most talented OLineman on your team. There's a saying that the most important position on your football team is the QB position. The 2nd most important position...is the guy protecting his blind side. I don't get the logic of moving Duane inside just because he'd be a great player there when he's already a great player at the toughest position to fill on the offensive line.

This guy doesn't know what the hell he's talking about.
 
Carr Bombed said:
LMAO! I already got a response back from "Mr. Long ball".




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Eric Winston is now a "ticking time bomb" who can't control his emotions.


This guy doesn't have a clue. Who gives a crap how good Brown would be as a pulling guard. You could literally say that about any decent LT in the league. The LT is usually the most athletic and most talented OLineman on your team. There's a saying that the most important position on your football team is the QB position. The 2nd most important position...is the guy protecting his blind side. I don't get the logic of moving Duane inside just because he'd be a great player there when he's already a great player at the toughest position to fill on the offensive line.

This guy doesn't know what the hell he's talking about.
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I got the same e-mail back, we must be the "gentlemen" he is referring to haha. I'm actually surprised he responded, that website seems like it gets no traffic. Hell yea we can do better. Apparently the website simulator generates the pick and we just have to comment on it. Anyone on this website outside of Seegara aka "Longball" can do better.

Like you said, it truly makes ZERO sense what he is saying. Why does he have such a hard-on for Derek Newton and such a limp one for Eric Winston and Duane Brown. I say we take him up on his offer and we should handle the commentary. We can all contribute in case stuff gets overlooked, dig up stats, etc. We can also throw in jabs at Longball for being an idiot.
 
Seegara said:
Correct. By the same token, Brown has been lousy in pass blocking up until this season, and some contributors are now ready to make a hero out of him.
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Not really. Brown was terrible his rookie season, and then progressed to alright his sophomore year, but 2010 and 2011 he was perfectly fine as an LT.

I imagine you probably weren't watching the Texans when Duane Brown was not good in pass pro.
 
Carr Bombed said:
LMAO! I already got a response back from "Mr. Long ball".
This guy doesn't know what the hell he's talking about.
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That is one of the biggest understatements I have ever seen on this board. This guy has reached an all new level of cluelessness.
 
Here is my reply to NoBalls. I used the website from earlier in this thread to throw out Duane Brown stats in his face...

I know you are replying to several of us, but in my E-mail I said drafting an offensive lineman in the first round is acceptable. My issue is that you think starting last year's 7th round project of a tackle in Derek Newton at Left tackle (the most important position on the offensive line) opposite a rookie (at a position that does not offer a smooth transition), while regulating one of the best right tackles in Eric Winston to bench is a good idea?! LOL! Yea Winston has his issues in pass protection but Newton and the rookie will have far greater issues. You honestly believe Winston is worse than Derek Newton!? You also left out a guy named Rashad Butler, who while Duane Brown was suspended in 2010 proved he can be a starting tackle in this league. Somehow Mr. 7th round pick who barely played in Derek Newton has your mind clouded with delusion. You must have really seen something on that Arian Foster goal line run against the Falcons to be so high on him because outside of that play and half of the season finale vs. the Titans, he never saw action.

Duane Brown was our best O-lineman last year, his work wasn't just "admirable". This website has him listed as giving up 2.5 sacks and zero holding penalties. It also lists he has only ONE holding penalty in his entire career.

http://yesnetwork.stats.com/fb/playerstats.asp?id=8803&team=34

Moving him to guard will upgrade that position but greatly weaken the LT position while doing so. Apparently you value the guard position higher than left tackle. It's funny, you don't often hear that one. If you really wanted to upgrade the guard position you could have just, gee I don't know, DRAFTED A GUARD??

I noticed you also handle the Cowboys "analysis" for that "website", which makes me believe you concentrate more on them and you are more of a casual Texans fan if not a casual sports fan in general.

..Derek Newton starting at left tackle while Eric Winston rots on the bench...LOL!!!! Keep up the good work
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Here's the 1 thing I would mention to this dummy. Teams try over and over again to find a really good Left Tackle without being successful in this league. We finally develop a guy into a 2nd team All Pro LT (should have been 1st team, but I won't even get into that) and this clown wants to move him to guard? How much sense does that make? Then we have to wait for another Left Tackle to get used to that position. There's zero logic in that.
 
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