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kingh99

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For some reason the rest of the country likes to push us around. I recall Bud "Undertaker" Selig telling Drayton McWhataburger he will open the roof at MinuteMaid during the World Series. Remember that dreck? Never gave a care about how we ran our games until our team went national. Unbelievable.

Maybe by posting this pre-emptively, it will expose any such nonsense before it has a chance to happen with our NFL team. Bad things happen too often when Houston goes on the national radar.
 
From the HT.com site...
Houston Texans Roof Policy (50/80 rule):
We will consider opening the roof at Reliant Stadium when the game time temperature is projected to be between 50 and 80 degrees. Our goal for implementing the “50-80 Rule” is to provide the most comfortable environment possible to enjoy Houston Texans games. Please note that the threat of rain will influence this decision, and when there is a good chance of rain during a game, the roof will be closed. Also, our parameters for late afternoon and evening games may shift slightly because of the absence of direct sunlight. However, we plan to use the general parameters established with your input to make the roof position decision for each game.

Our research clearly demonstrated that we cannot please everyone, every time with our roof position decision. However, we are hopeful that this note helps to point out that our approach is thoughtful, deliberate and focused on creating the best environment possible for the majority of our fans to enjoy games at Reliant Stadium
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Being that it's an afternoon start and the finish will be after dark, thus colder, I'm thinking they'll keep the roof closed. Plus the NFL loves it when the fans are raising holy hell.
 
kingh99 said:
For some reason the rest of the country likes to push us around. I recall Bud "Undertaker" Selig telling Drayton McWhataburger he will open the roof at MinuteMaid during the World Series. Remember that dreck? Never gave a care about how we ran our games until our team went national. Unbelievable.

Maybe by posting this pre-emptively, it will expose any such nonsense before it has a chance to happen with our NFL team. Bad things happen too often when Houston goes on the national radar.
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:rolleyes: Yeah, as soon as the league tells the Colts to push stop on their crowd noise cassette tape, then they can tell us to open the roof.
 
The weather should be pretty nice, and if it is I hope that the roof is open. I don't believe that crowd should be such a huge advantage or disadvantage to any team.

I want to see two football teams pitted against each other and have their skill determine the winner, not the fans.
 
BullBlitz said:
The weather should be pretty nice, and if it is I hope that the roof is open. I don't believe that crowd should be such a huge advantage or disadvantage to any team.

I want to see two football teams pitted against each other and have their skill determine the winner, not the fans.
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in this case for playoff games I disagree. Them boys earned the home field advantage and should get to take full advantage of it
 
BullBlitz said:
The weather should be pretty nice, and if it is I hope that the roof is open. I don't believe that crowd should be such a huge advantage or disadvantage to any team.

I want to see two football teams pitted against each other and have their skill determine the winner, not the fans.
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???? WHAT! With that mindset, let's just throw out seeding/regular season records and play every game on a neutral field.

You play for home games in the postseason, it makes no absolutely no sense to diminish your home field advantage.
 
80tothezone said:
in this case for playoff games I disagree. Them boys earned the home field advantage and should get to take full advantage of it
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Homefield advantage should entail the ability to play in front of your fan base and not have to travel. It shouldn't go so far as preventing the other team from fully functioning. Of course others will disagree, but if we attempt to close the roof in great weather simply to create a severe disadvantage to the opponent then I hope the NFL does intervene.

A roof should be an option employed to avoid having both teams play in exceptionally poor weather conditions, not as a weapon that the home team elects to employ to further amplify fan noise against an opponent.
 
BullBlitz said:
The weather should be pretty nice, and if it is I hope that the roof is open. I don't believe that crowd should be such a huge advantage or disadvantage to any team.

I want to see two football teams pitted against each other and have their skill determine the winner, not the fans.
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Where's the sarcasm smiley?
 
BullBlitz said:
Homefield advantage should entail the ability to play in front of your fan base and not have to travel. It shouldn't go so far as preventing the other team from fully functioning. Of course others will disagree, but if we attempt to close the roof in great weather simply to create a severe disadvantage to the opponent then I hope the NFL does intervene.

A roof should be an option employed to avoid having both teams play in exceptionally poor weather conditions, not as a weapon that the home team elects to employ to further amplify fan noise against an opponent.
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Whaaaaa? Home field advantage IS the fans. That's why teams want to play at home. So that the crowd can disrupt the other teams offense and their snap count. It has a huge impact. Do you remember how much it rattled the falcons and matt ryan? They had a ton of false start and delay of game penalties because of that. Texans don't win that game on the road imo. That is homefield advantage. Its part of football and always has been.
 
BullBlitz said:
Homefield advantage should entail the ability to play in front of your fan base and not have to travel. It shouldn't go so far as preventing the other team from fully functioning. Of course others will disagree, but if we attempt to close the roof in great weather simply to create a severe disadvantage to the opponent then I hope the NFL does intervene.

A roof should be an option employed to avoid having both teams play in exceptionally poor weather conditions, not as a weapon that the home team elects to employ to further amplify fan noise against an opponent.
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Hmmmm

Wrong!!!!!!
 
BullBlitz said:
A roof should be an option employed to avoid having both teams play in exceptionally poor weather conditions, not as a weapon that the home team elects to employ to further amplify fan noise against an opponent.
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Meh.

You use the weapons you have available. If that means keeping the roof closed to make it louder than so be it. It's the same way that teams give the visitors the dumpy or smaller locker room. I can't think of the team but I know there's a college team that has the visitor locker room painted pink because of some psychological jibber-jabber.

Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing.
 
Txn_in_ROK said:
Meh.

You use the weapons you have available. If that means keeping the roof closed to make it louder than so be it. It's the same way that teams give the visitors the dumpy or smaller locker room. I can't think of the team but I know there's a college team that has the visitor locker room painted pink because of some psychological jibber-jabber.

Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing.
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Yes. The question initially posed was whether or not the NFL would proactively intervene. I doubt that they will, but I would be fine if they do.
 
BullBlitz said:
Home field advantage should entail the ability to play in front of your fan base and not have to travel. It shouldn't go so far as preventing the other team from fully functioning. Of course others will disagree, but if we attempt to close the roof in great weather simply to create a severe disadvantage to the opponent then I hope the NFL does intervene.

A roof should be an option employed to avoid having both teams play in exceptionally poor weather conditions, not as a weapon that the home team elects to employ to further amplify fan noise against an opponent.
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You are completely off your rocker here... What's next... Green Bay needs to build a roof to hold out the snow and build heaters inside the turf to unfreeze the tundra? How about Seattle just redesigns the stadium where it doesn't capitalize on crowd noise.. Your take is one of the most ridiculous one's I've ever seen posted. Your basically asking for the regular season to just be pointless. Maybe we should skip over the regular season and start with a 32 team playoff bracket? Because you're basically asking for the regular season to be pointless.
 
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With the roof closed at Reliant, the Texans are 16-23 all-time and 14-13 under Kubiak.
With the roof open at Reliant, the Texans are 23-18 all-time and 15-6 under Kubiak.
 
BullBlitz said:
Homefield advantage should entail the ability to play in front of your fan base and not have to travel. It shouldn't go so far as preventing the other team from fully functioning. Of course others will disagree, but if we attempt to close the roof in great weather simply to create a severe disadvantage to the opponent then I hope the NFL does intervene.

A roof should be an option employed to avoid having both teams play in exceptionally poor weather conditions, not as a weapon that the home team elects to employ to further amplify fan noise against an opponent.
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Well wait a minute...
getting to sleep in your own bed (or home town) and NOT having to travel cross country IS a advantage - see the Ravens' road record.
Making warm weather teams have to play in cold weather (GB, Pittsburgh, NE, etc.) IS an advantage for the cold weather teams - by the way, that will be us if we win Sat. and have to travel to Baltimore.
Having west coast teams fly three hours east and play away games at would normally, for them, be 10 am, is an advantage to the home team

If the opposing team scores early and often, they can quiet the fans and take them out of the equation. If they prepare sufficiently and have silent snap counts and hand signals or whatever, they can reduce the effect of crowd noise.

A well prepared team won't let crowd noise get to them.

Edit: You were right about one thing: Others WILL disagree.
 
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Speedy said:
With the roof closed at Reliant, the Texans are 16-23 all-time and 14-13 under Kubiak.
With the roof open at Reliant, the Texans are 23-18 all-time and 15-6 under Kubiak.
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All of those stats are null and void...the playoffs are a completely different atmosphere.. How many home games were games just to finish out a stretch? It's a proven fact that crowd noise effects games...it's a proven fact that with the roof closed the noise will be louder than it will when it's open. This is the first playoff game in about 20 years. (This will be the loudest this stadium has ever been so far) There is no stat that's going to prove that Houston will gain a advantage with the roof open in this game. What you're doing is just paralysis by analsis...it makes absolutely NO SENSE for Houston to open their roof for a team that plays outside...it's completely rediculous to even suggest.

This roof will be closed.
 
Carr Bombed said:
All of those stats are null and void...the playoffs are a completely different atmosphere.. How many home games were games just to finish out a stretch? It's a proven fact that crowd noise effects games...it's a proven fact that with the roof closed the noise will be louder than it will when it's open. This is the first playoff game in about 20 years. There is no stat that's going to prove that Houston will gain a advantage with the roof open in this game. What you're doing is just paralysis by analsis...it makes absolutely NO SENSE for Houston to open their roof for a team that plays outside...it's completely rediculous to even suggest.

This roof will be closed.
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First of all, I didn't say the stats meant a damn thing. What has happened in the past is in the past and has nothing to do with the game Saturday or any other game that will ever be played there. But that is what the stats are.

Secondly, just because you say it's a proven fact doesn't make it so. If you think a freaking roof being open or not is major player in whether the Texans can win a game or not, then you don't think much of the Texans and their FOOTBALL playing ability.

The way Reliant is designed, it can get just as loud with the roof open. I know, because I've been to every single game they've ever played there. A game against the Titans in '03 with the top popped when the Titans were driving with 17 seconds left down by 4, rivaled the loudest it's ever been in that stadium. It can get loud, roof or no roof.

I believe Seattle is regarded as one of the loudest venues in the NFL. Seems their yard is a whole lot more open than Reliant even if the roof is open.

Saturday is going to be the loudest it's ever been. I have no doubt about that. And it will be that way whether the roof is open or closed. I can guarantee that.
 
Houston Texans Roof Policy (50/80 rule):
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Last week's game versus the Titan's qualified for an open roof under the 50/80 policy. 70° and zero % chance of rain. And the roof remained closed.

We'll have a closed roof on Staurday.
 
Speedy said:
First of all, I didn't say the stats meant a damn thing. What has happened in the past is in the past and has nothing to do with the game Saturday or any other game that will ever be played there. But that is what the stats are.

Secondly, just because you say it's a proven fact doesn't make it so. If you think a freaking roof being open or not is major player in whether the Texans can win a game or not, then you don't think much of the Texans and their FOOTBALL playing ability.

The way Reliant is designed, it can get just as loud with the roof open. I know, because I've been to every single game they've ever played there. A game against the Titans in '03 with the top popped when the Titans were driving with 17 seconds left down by 4, rivaled the loudest it's ever been in that stadium. It can get loud, roof or no roof.

I believe Seattle is regarded as one of the loudest venues in the NFL. Seems their yard is a whole lot more open than Reliant even if the roof is open.

Saturday is going to be the loudest it's ever been. I have no doubt about that. And it will be that way whether the roof is open or closed. I can guarantee that.
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Slow your roll...I was attacking your stats not you...and yes, the stats were pointless.

Having said that... I've ALSO BEEN TO THE STADIUM DURING A MAJORITY OF THE GAMES...and what I think about the roof being "open or closed" doesn't have anything with what I think about the Texans "FOOTBALL playing ability" :rolleyes:.. It has to do with "home field advantage". Last I checked that's the topic at hand. (not the Texans playing ability)

A closed stadium is LOUDER than a open one..it's called science, it's a proven fact. It's also a proven fact that crowd noise effects visiting teams..so when you can dispute those facts then we can continue debating whatever point you were trying to make.

P.S.

go pull up my comment about Seattle's stadium from above. Their stadium was designed to amplify noise...even with a open stadium. Ours wasn't. Ours traps noise, but it wasn't specifically designed to amplify it like their's was. Hell I even mentioned their stadium when I was talking about stadiums with a home field advantage..

Carr Bombed said:
You are completely off your rocker here... What's next... Green Bay needs to build a roof to hold out the snow and build heaters inside the turf to unfreeze the tundra? How about Seattle just redesigns the stadium where it doesn't capitalize on crowd noise.. Your take is one of the most ridiculous one's I've ever seen posted. Your basically asking for the regular season to just be pointless. Maybe we should skip over the regular season and start with a 32 team playoff bracket? Because you're basically asking for the regular season to be pointless.
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..that's not our stadium with a open roof.
 
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The roof will be closed. No way they want that blimp to get a look at the horrible field conditions.
 
Lucky said:
Last week's game versus the Titan's qualified for an open roof under the 50/80 policy. 70° and zero % chance of rain. And the roof remained closed.

We'll have a closed roof on Staurday.
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And a smart decision...Bob McNair didn't get rich by being a dummy. :)
 
Having seats on the sunny side of the stadium, all I care about is the temperature. Even when its in the 70's, it's still pretty darn hot on our side of the field. Its all about air flow or should I say the lack of air flow.

Best plan, always bring a pair of short, a light shirt, and a hat to every game.
 
Hagar said:
Having seats on the sunny side of the stadium, all I care about is the temperature. Even when its in the 70's, it's still pretty darn hot on our side of the field. Its all about air flow or should I say the lack of air flow.

Best plan, always bring a pair of short, a light shirt, and a hat to every game.
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The 3:30 start should fix a lot of that problem. Given the time of year and all, the sunny side should be fully shaded by game time.

But, I don't think it will be an issue. Roof Closed is my bet.
 
I don't know why there is even a retractable roof on Reliant. Bob is too ***** to ever open it. Might as well be a dome. Football is supposed to be played outside. I get the heat thing and trying to make fans comfortable but it is taken to an extreme in Houston. Just close it and seal it and call it a dome.
 
I don't even know what to say. I'll try to be BRIEF this time.

If you don't want the roof closed for this playoff game, then something is wrong with your noggin. Noise escapes or it bounces back, it's pretty simple.

NOISE. NOISE. NOISE.

This is not the Geneva Convention, this is NFL football and you use everything you can to your advantage. What's next? "We should only use the same plays and the same NAMES for those plays as our opponent, to ensure a fair game for both defenses."

Jiminy Freaking Christmas. (sigh)........

Who let the girl from True Grit get on here?
 
I guess that makes you a true domer GP. If the Texans can't beat the Bengals because the roof is open then they have a hell of alot more problems than crowd noise. And this comment comes from someone that was at the Atlanta game. Grow some balls and play like you want it or stay home with the closed roof and roast some marshmellows. Do you think the teams that will eventually make the superbowl care if a roof is opened or closed? It really makes the Texans sound like a bunch of wimps.
 
bckey said:
I guess that makes you a true domer GP. If the Texans can't beat the Bengals because the roof is open then they have a hell of alot more problems than crowd noise. And this comment comes from someone that was at the Atlanta game. Grow some balls and play like you want it or stay home with the closed roof and roast some marshmellows. Do you think the teams that will eventually make the superbowl care if a roof is opened or closed? It really makes the Texans sound like a bunch of wimps.
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If that were truly the case, then why do teams play their starters after they've locked up the division title or a playoff spot? They do so to gain whatever advantage playing at home gives them. Whether they get to play in their noisy dome or make warm weather teams come and play in the snow or make teams that aren't used to it play in their windy stadium (see New York or Candlestick) - they want that advantage. So yeah, they all care.
 
I can't believe some of the posts in this thread. If you wan't to be outside on game day, take a freaking walk in the park and give your tickets to somebody who will come to the game and make some noise.

Kubiak on this matter yesterday:

(on what the crowd noise can do to an opposing team) “It’s huge. They’ve got to operate offensively with our crowd type of thing. It’s a big boost for us as a football team. It’s just something we need to use to our advantage. Obviously, this place will be rocking. We know that. It’s been excellent all year long and I’m sure it’ll be even better this weekend.”

Anything that tends to lessen the effect is counterproductive. Come early ,get in your seats and be loud.
 
There is zero chance the roof will be open, or that the NFL will dictate our roof be open.

Also the 50/80 rule isnt really a rule at all. Just a guideline for them making a decision. They know that the crowd noise will be deafening with the roof closed and will do everything in their power to keep the roof closed.
 
Lots of woulda, coulda, shouldas with Reliant.

The retractable roof is hardly ever used and the turf design is inherently flawed.

Pretty disappointing that after only 10 seasons these things are becoming such mounting issues.
 
The Texans need to focus on the game.

WE'LL focus on the noise, roof open or not. 75,000 pissed off pterodactyl's screeches should be deafening either way.
 
GlassHalfFull said:
The 3:30 start should fix a lot of that problem. Given the time of year and all, the sunny side should be fully shaded by game time.

But, I don't think it will be an issue. Roof Closed is my bet.
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It's for this reason why I'd like to see the roof open. Don't get me wrong... I prefer it when its closed. I think we're a "dome" sort of town... although... We paid all those millions to make it retractable. We got some PERFECT football weather coming up and we have an opportunity on the national stage. Open it up.

But they won't.... we know the NFL's position on this given its history... fun fact... 3 Super Bowls have been layer with a retractable roof and all were closed.
 
To be clear, HLSR paid for the retractable roof, not the Texans. Original designs of the stadium were to be open air.
 
Wow!! Just WOW!! INSANE that any TRUE fan, OF ANY TEAM, would want to play nice and take away any advantage their team EARNED by playing at home!!! Speechless!!

As for the roof! I've been preaching my sermon for 10yrs now. Reliant is NOT an open venue stadium!! It is simply a dome stadium with a hole in the roof!! It serves NO purpose whatsoever!!!! JMO!! When it rains and the roof is closed, it LEAKS like crazy. When it's hot and the sun shines in, it makes fans run to the concourse or the club sections because the seats are to hot to touch!! DECREASE in crowd noise when that happens!!! BUT, to some posters in this thread that's ok! :headhurts:
 
Texan_Bill said:
To be clear, HLSR paid for the retractable roof, not the Texans. Original designs of the stadium were to be open air.
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Duly noted.

The point was... it's paid for. It's there. Use it for a change. Especially considering the weather. It has been A-M-A-Z-I-N-G!

Open or closed... we still have the home field.
 
SheTexan said:
Wow!! Just WOW!! INSANE that any TRUE fan, OF ANY TEAM, would want to play nice and take away any advantage their team EARNED by playing at home!!! Speechless!!

As for the roof! I've been preaching my sermon for 10yrs now. Reliant is NOT an open venue stadium!! It is simply a dome stadium with a hole in the roof!! It serves NO purpose whatsoever!!!! JMO!! When it rains and the roof is closed, it LEAKS like crazy. When it's hot and the sun shines in, it makes fans run to the concourse or the club sections because the seats are to hot to touch!! DECREASE in crowd noise when that happens!!! BUT, to some posters in this thread that's ok! :headhurts:
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So... basically you're saying... I am not a true fan because crowd noise isn't something that I can relate to? Thanks for the vote of confidence in my fanhood.
 
This just in... Very little noise escapes when the roof is open. The opening is about the size of the field itself so basically all of the noise is essentially trapped anyway. It's not the same as Minute Maid Park. There, there's a huge difference with the roof being opened or closed.
 
NitroGSXR said:
So... basically you're saying... I am not a true fan because crowd noise isn't something that I can relate to? Thanks for the vote of confidence in my fanhood.
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LOL, just because you can't hear it doesn't mean you can't relate to it as a potential factor in the game...

Besides, she didn't say anything about fans being able to relate to it. She said that she can't believe fans would want to take away a potential advantage.
 
michaelm said:
LOL, just because you can't hear it doesn't mean you can't relate to it as a potential factor in the game...

Besides, she didn't say anything about fans being able to relate to it. She said that she can't believe fans would want to take away a potential advantage.
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Smiley icon! I swear I clicked the smiley face icon. I was just joking on Gma.

:)
 
bckey said:
I guess that makes you a true domer GP. If the Texans can't beat the Bengals because the roof is open then they have a hell of alot more problems than crowd noise. And this comment comes from someone that was at the Atlanta game. Grow some balls and play like you want it or stay home with the closed roof and roast some marshmellows. Do you think the teams that will eventually make the superbowl care if a roof is opened or closed? It really makes the Texans sound like a bunch of wimps.
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Superdome in New Orleans. Saints won the Super Bowl. Dome teams CAN win it all, ya' know.

I don't know if I am a domed or not. I just know that what we have is what we have...so why not leave the roof closed and retain as much noise as we can???

Simple acoustics dictate that sound either escapes or is reflected/bounced. Even if the gain in decibels is only minor, I want every drop of fan noise in Reliant utilized to help us this Saturday.

After that, when/if we play on the road, then we have one less advantage to use for us. But why not utilize everything that's at our disposal to get the maximum amount of sound reflection that we can?

It doesn't make us a wussy to do so. It makes us smart, IMO.
 
GP said:
Superdome in New Orleans. Saints won the Super Bowl. Dome teams CAN win it all, ya' know.

I don't know if I am a domed or not. I just know that what we have is what we have...so why not leave the roof closed and retain as much noise as we can???

Simple acoustics dictate that sound either escapes or is reflected/bounced. Even if the gain in decibels is only minor, I want every drop of fan noise in Reliant utilized to help us this Saturday.

After that, when/if we play on the road, then we have one less advantage to use for us. But why not utilize everything that's at our disposal to get the maximum amount of sound reflection that we can?

It doesn't make us a wussy to do so. It makes us smart, IMO.
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I agree with you, but now I'm wondering exactly how much difference in decibels there would be with roof open vs roof closed, just out of curiosity.
I wonder if there is any information online about it, but I'm supposed to be working right now, so don't have time to research it.

IIRC, the human ear can only perceive a difference of approximately +/- 3 decibels.
In home/car audio, it takes either a doubling of amplification power, or a doubling of speaker cone area to increase sound pressure by +3db.
That's not particularly relevant to the subject of crowd noise, except as a reference as to how much increased output it takes to make a difference great enough for the human ear to perceive it.


Sorry to go so far OT. :)
 
Interesting story about the crowd noise at Quest Field in Seattle, for those who don't think crowd noise is a factor:

http://www.popularmechanics.com/outdoors/sports/football/4344908-the-loudest-crowd#fbIndex3

The architect fulfilled Allen's request, creating one of the league's loudest stadiums, which can get nearly as noisy as a jet plane--135 decibels--and has disrupted visiting teams enough to induce 95 false-start penalties since 2005, the most in the NFL.
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Damn, I need to get back to work!!!
 
GP said:
After that, when/if we play on the road, then we have one less advantage to use for us. But why not utilize everything that's at our disposal to get the maximum amount of sound reflection that we can?

It doesn't make us a wussy to do so. It makes us smart, IMO.
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Amen!

Our guys sure liked it vs. Atlanta, and Atlanta's offense had problems because of the noise, so why wouldn't we want as much noise as possible?

Other teams are at an advantage no matter where we play, we're on our 3rd string QB, so i don't feel sorry one bit for making it even louder by keeping the roof closed... Besides, the roof being open makes watching the game on TV a litte harder with one side lit up and the other not lit up, and it doesn't make it any easier on our receivers transitioning from one shade to the other with the ball in flight...
 
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