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Wade IS More Valuable Than Kubiak

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DBCooper

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I thought garys were supposed to stick together?

Alright, your hot chick privileges are being revoked.
 

Carr Bombed

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I think they are both valuable, to be honest.
Head coaches who have a less than .500 career winning % are easily replaceable. Defensive coordinators who can take a historically bad defense and turn it into one of the top units in the league without even having a offseason are not.
 
Head coaches who have a less than .500 career winning % are easily replaceable. Defensive coordinators who can take a historically bad defense and turn it into one of the top units in the league without even having a offseason are not.
Helps when the GM went out and got 2 studs in free agency. Or was Wade Phillips in charge of that, too?
 

Carr Bombed

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Helps when the GM went out and got 2 studs in free agency. Or was Wade Phillips in charge of that, too?
Wade was in charge of the draft....that was his draft and he was the overseer on what type of players he wanted to play in his system so I'm pretty sure he had a big say on the matter. He wanted Aldon Smith (who's a absolute beast for SF) 1st and when he was gone he wanted J.J. Watt (who's another absolute beast) and while he was in Dallas he veiwed Glover Quin as a good safety prospect (not as a corner)....so the man knows defensive talent and where to stick players to give them the best opportunity for success.
 
Wade was in charge of the draft....that was his draft and he was the overseer on what type of players he wanted to play in his system so I'm pretty sure he had a big say on the matter. He wanted Aldon Smith (who's a absolute beast for SF) 1st and when he was gone he wanted J.J. Watt (who's another absolute beast) and while he was in Dallas he veiwed Glover Quin as a good safety prospect (not as a corner)....so the man knows defensive talent and where to stick players to give them the best opportunity for success.
Texans Talk fam...

When Bob McNair says his "thank yous" after we win the super bowl, he'll just say "I wanna thank Wade Phillips"...and the speech is over. :kitten:
 

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I disagree.

I think both Wade and Gary are top 5 defensive and offensive coaches, respectively.

Gary is no shout & holler head coach -- but neither were Chuck Noll or Tom Landry.
 

steelbtexan

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Facts are Facts

Gary has never won a meaningful game as a HC without Wade in his life.

5 seasons + 2 games and counting.

Did the Wade Smith signing last yr not count as a meaningful FA signing? Rackers?

Gary still sucks at his job after all these yrs. Think we could turn this into a song.
 

Carr Bombed

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I disagree.

I think both Wade and Gary are top 5 defensive and offensive coaches, respectively.

Gary is no shout & holler head coach -- but neither were Chuck Noll or Tom Landry.
There's something else Gary Kubiak is not....... Chuck Noll or Tom Landry.
 
That's cute...

If you want to bury your head in the sand and discredit the impact that Wade has had on this team, then by all means...proceed paddling that canoe on down Da Nile.
Tell me where I discredited Wade. Don't worry, I'll wait. I say both coaches are valuable, and that, somehow = discrediting Wade.

Ahh, Texan fans...always going full Aggie on me.
 

Lucky

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Gary and Wade will be here for the foreseeable future. All is well, FKC and Sunshine.
 

steelbtexan

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Phillips 6 yard pass to Phillips (Phillips PAT)

Phillips 20, Bengals 19. :brando:
Again, that would be 0 meaningfull wins. That's a nice round number.

As a Head Coach (leader of an entire team, or atleast I thought that's what a HC's responsibilities were) Gary is terrible at his job. That's after 5 yrs and 2 games and counting.

Nice try to distort with the Phillips to Phillips thingy.
 

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Tell me where I discredited Wade. Don't worry, I'll wait. I say both coaches are valuable, and that, somehow = discrediting Wade.

Ahh, Texan fans...always going full Aggie on me.
"Discredit" implies that you're trying to take credit away from him... Implying that he didn't have anything to do with the players we picked up is trying to take some credit away from him. Implying that Gary Kubiak has had just as much to do with our success this season when he hasn't is trying to take credit away from him. What am I missing here?

And no... I didn't go full "Kubiak" on you either :)
 
"Discredit" implies that you're trying to take credit away from him... Implying that he didn't have anything to do with the players we picked up is trying to take some credit away from him. Implying that Gary Kubiak has had just as much to do with our success this season is trying to take credit away from him. What am I missing here?

And no... I didn't go full "Kubiak" on you either :)
I said they were both valuable. How much or otherwise never came from my keyboard.
 

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I said they were both valuable. How much or otherwise never came from my keyboard.
So than what's your gripe with this thread, because technically Gary (the O.P. not the coach) never said Kubiak had no value....he simply said Wade was more valuable. Kubiak has some value, he just isn't close to being as valuable as Wade. He'd be on his way to his 7th straight non playoff season and would be out of a job without Wade Phillips. If we sign Kubiak to a extension he should give Wade half his money.
 
So than what's your gripe with this thread, because technically Gary (the O.P. not the coach) never said Kubiak had no value....he simply said Wade was more valuable. Kubiak has some value, he just isn't close to being as valuable as Wade. He'd be on his way to his 7th straight non playoff season and would be out of a job without Wade Phillips. If we sign Kubiak to a extension he should give Wade half his money.
I think that WAS what he was implying. "Get rid of Kubiak/Smith" says that to me. But that's neither here nor there.

Sad that we'll have to hear this all off-season, even if ULTIMATE success is achieved.
 

steelbtexan

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You sure about that ..... ?

Landry was 25-53-4 in his first 6 years,

Noll was 43-40-1 in his first 6 years,

Kubiak is 47-48 in his first 6 years.
Different times

Different scheduling format

No FA

Most teams can be turned around in4 yrs. Yet here Gary is losing to a 1 win team on national TV 6 yrs later.
 

TexansFanatic

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You sure about that ..... ?

Landry was 25-53-4 in his first 6 years,

Noll was 43-40-1 in his first 6 years,

Kubiak is 47-48 in his first 6 years.

Different times

Different scheduling format

No FA

Most teams can be turned around in4 yrs. Yet here Gary is losing to a 1 win team on national TV 6 yrs later.
Exactly right.

And, by the way, Noll won his first Super Bowl in his sixth year.
 

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Different times

Different scheduling format

No FA

Most teams can be turned around in4 yrs. Yet here Gary is losing to a 1 win team on national TV 6 yrs later.
Myopia.


Let's hire Jeff Fischer or Bill Belichick.

Fischer was 45-41 in his first six seasons,

Belichick was 41-55 in his first six seasons.
 

Texan_Bill

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That is just all there is to it IMHO. What do you say?
That's not all there is to my man! Ummm, Wade is good at defense. Gary is good at offense. Gary can't run a defense and Wade can't run an offense. This tag-team is the definition of what Co-Head coaches should be. Unfortunately, there has to be one guy that is named "head" coach, which would be Gary since Wade had a gig at the time the Texans fired Capers...
 

Buffi2

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Yes, I think Wade is more valuable than Kubiak. I also think Wade and Gary together make a great HC. As long as Wade returns next year, Gary is ok with me. Gary, until the last two weeks, has kept a team going who has lost 2 QBs and the only WR they have that can handle a long pass consistently. That can't be easy. This doesn't mean I think Gary by himself is the greatest, great or even halfway good as an HC. I think the combination of Gary and Wade could take us to the SB - if players and both coaches remain healthy.

When is Wade coming back?
 

TexansFanatic

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Myopia.


Let's hire Jeff Fischer or Bill Belichick.

Fischer was 45-41 in his first six seasons,

Belichick was 41-55 in his first six seasons.
Belichick's first gig in Cleveland was 5 years and that was before the current/modern era of free agency. Even so, he won his first playoff game after his fourth season.

He won the Super Bowl his second year with the Patriots (his seventh season all together). Turned them around and put rings on their fingers after two seasons.

And Jeff Fisher? Jeff Fisher sucks.
 

Texan_Bill

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You mean like you?

"That is just all there is to it"

worthless thread due to a worthless post.
Don't ever **** with my man Gary!!! EVER!!! I miss disagree with some of his posts... That said, NEVER suggest anything Gary does is "worthless"!!
 

thunderkyss

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"Discredit" implies that you're trying to take credit away from him... Implying that he didn't have anything to do with the players we picked up is trying to take some credit away from him. Implying that Gary Kubiak has had just as much to do with our success this season when he hasn't is trying to take credit away from him. What am I missing here?

And no... I didn't go full "Kubiak" on you either :)
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gary

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You mean like you?

"That is just all there is to it"

worthless thread due to a worthless post.
If Santa did not get you what you wanted then take it up with him not me. Other posters have provided the facts in this thread, so why repeat them? SMH.:vincepalm:
 

thunderkyss

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I would not want Wade as HC but Gary should be shown the door along with Rick.
Gary & Rick?

Wow.

during our 7 game win streak, winning against all odds, I thought we had a very talented team. I thought we had a chance to win the Super Bowl.

We lose two games & now we want to run Gary & Rick out of town before we have an opportunity to lose our home play-off game?

Wow.... Freak'n Wow.
 

TexansFanatic

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You mean like you?

"That is just all there is to it"

worthless thread due to a worthless post.
Merry Christmas, friend.

Hopefully this holiday season hasn't been so unkind to you that you can't show some respect to the other board members here.

If you disagree with the original post, perhaps you could explain why in measured terms, rather than simply attacking the poster.
 

gary

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Gary & Rick?

Wow.

during our 7 game win streak, winning against all odds, I thought we had a very talented team. I thought we had a chance to win the Super Bowl.

We lose two games & now we want to run Gary & Rick out of town before we have an opportunity to lose our home play-off game?

Wow.... Freak'n Wow.
Overall I just do think they are good enough not just because of this year.
 

ObsiWan

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But, again, he didn't have the advantage of free agency.
that no free agency "point" is a red herring.

Back when Landry started out, as you and Steel correctly stated, there was no free agency.


But think about it; you could see no FA as a plus. Without the threat of free agency you could collect a group of solid players through the draft and not worry about them bouncing to another team in the FA mkt. And back then (1960-1967) the draft had 20 rounds.

Like both Landry and Knoll did, if you had decent scouts, you could collect a solid talent base for your team and depend on keeping it for the long haul. ...unless THEY (the HC and/or GM) decided to trade it away.

So that "no free agency" thing can be a help or a hinderance.... depends on how savvy your organization is.
 
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