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3rd down efficiency was terrible. Yates may be the future but right now he's not getting it done. Thanks for the comeback win for the division but I think it's time we gave Jake some playing time.
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That's my opinion...not faulting TJ...he's just not ready and it's obvious.
3rd down efficiency was terrible. Yates may be the future but right now he's not getting it done. Thanks for the comeback win for the division but I think it's time we gave Jake some playing time.
Why? So Kubiak can limit his ability to command the offense also?
That's my opinion...not faulting TJ...he's just not ready and it's obvious.
3rd down efficiency was terrible. Yates may be the future but right now he's not getting it done. Thanks for the comeback win for the division but I think it's time we gave Jake some playing time.
yea, because it's Yates fault when Kubiak decides to hand the ball off on 3rd down and we don't convert...3rd down efficiency was terrible. Yates may be the future but right now he's not getting it done. Thanks for the comeback win for the division but I think it's time we gave Jake some playing time.
yea, because it's Yates fault when Kubiak decides to hand the ball off on 3rd down and we don't convert...
Look at the Atlanta and Cincy games when Yates played pretty good. We allowed him to throw the football down the field. I can think of only a few times in today's game where we let him air it out.
really, your serious?
i dont put this on yates, yeah he didnt do very good in obvious passing downs but the coaches put him in that situation. What do you think happens when you run then run and then have to pass. He was succesful passing on 1st and 2nd downs, not so much on 3rd, it dont help caldwell is stinking it up.
We're just not scoring anymore. Even in the Cincy victory we got lucky. Orlovsky is a journeyman and he outplayed Yates. We have very little chance of winning in the first round of the playoffs if things stay the same.
Wat game were u watching? And delhomme is? Kubes terrible play calling killed us. Only 1 3rd down conversion, that falls on play calling. All 3rd down plays were scripted less than the marker
Yates, Delhomme, Garcia. They're all three the same guy as far as this team is concerned right now.
They're "Not Schaub". Yates has more knowledge of the current system but almost no experience. Delhomme & Garcia got experience (too much if you want to know the truth) but they've only been here a couple of weeks. They'd look just as limited as Yates does.
Teams aren't meant to go three deep at QB and drive into the playoffs. It just doesn't happen. Particularly not when they got something between "jack" and "****" at WR. Having no Andre Johnson just makes an already hopeless situation even worse.
And Andre isn't coming back next week and knocking off all the rust to suddenly become effective in the first round playoff game. He's going to be a mess and likely aggravate his hamstring again the first time he tries to take off and be Superman.
We're screwed.
i dont put this on yates, yeah he didnt do very good in obvious passing downs but the coaches put him in that situation. What do you think happens when you run then run and then have to pass. He was succesful passing on 1st and 2nd downs, not so much on 3rd, it dont help caldwell is stinking it up.
Wasn't it just last season, in the Colts game, we blamed Kubiak for the exact opposite? Arian was running well, but Kubiak called a lot of passing plays... everyone in here was saying, "We should've ran Arian all game long!"
Well Arian, in this game, averaged 6.9 ypc. I didn't mind running the ball in 1st & 2nd down, as the Colts clearly had no answer for Foster.
With Yates under center, we went from passing the ball 25, 44 and 30 times a game, to 16.
In order to throw a significant number of times you have to sustain drives. Yates couldn't get it done. Never really had any time. The people on the field have to do their damned jobs. Yates was sacked 4 times and was hit on 3 other plays.
Absorb that stat for a moment
...that's 7 pressures/sacks out of only 16 attempts. That's horrifying. Embarrassing!
The damned O-line (I'm looking at you Caldwell and Winston) have to give the boy time to throw. Why dial up a bunch of passes when your O-line is letting your QB get creamed nearly ever other time he tries to drop back?
without watching again, i put atleast 3 of those sacks on yates
Look folks, we aren't going very deep in the playoffs anyway considering all that's happened with the injuries. I would rather keep TJ in, if for nothing else than he needs the practice. With the point production down by 10 points a game since Schaub has left, and AJ questionable and a weak WR core, we might not even beat the Titans.
But it's not time for Delhomme. He won't be here next year, or Garcia either. If Schaub does not return, it'll be either Hot Tub or Yates or someone else, but it won't be Delhomme or Garica. Might as well give the playing time to someone who will be here next year.
I'd be curious to hear which 3rd down play you thought he should have done better, and exactly what you thought he should have done. Personally, I don't think he should have handed it off on 3rd and long, but that's what he did. Who the hell let that guy decide to do that, anyway?
13/16 for 132 yards, 10 YPC.
Look folks, we aren't going very deep in the playoffs anyway considering all that's happened with the injuries. I would rather keep TJ in, if for nothing else than he needs the practice. With the point production down by 10 points a game since Schaub has left, and AJ questionable and a weak WR core, we might not even beat the Titans.
But it's not time for Delhomme. He won't be here next year, or Garcia either. If Schaub does not return, it'll be either Hot Tub or Yates or someone else, but it won't be Delhomme or Garica. Might as well give the playing time to someone who will be here next year.
i've got no problem blaming yates. a 5 yard completion looks great when the stat line doesnt take into account it being 3rd and 8. and this blame conservative kubiak stuff is nonsense. foster's averaging 10 yards a pop but tate is having a terrible game ... your QB needs to convert some of these 3rd downs if the offense is going to have a chance and to give foster more carries and find the endzone.
our offense is obviously a qb friendly system. the receivers and blocking have a simple execution setup, it's up to the quarterback to know without looking where the receivers are and identify the coverage. yates isnt there yet. he's still trying to find his receivers and isnt seeing the coverage nor feeling the pocket.
i'll start with the pocket. he has great movement within it ... when he's taking a 7 step play-action. he two-steps a 3 step drop (2 sacks being a jersey grab because he shorted his quick drop) and slides on a 5. footwork in general needs a lot of work. his plant is either early or late and he isnt in rhythm very often.
coverage is the real issue though ... he doesnt see it. we run mostly vertical and split progressions. yates isnt just staring down his primary, he's attempting to locate it. to speed things up kubiak is trying to give him easier first reads which yates is keying on and just not quick enough yet to locate others. this is why schaub can noodle arm and slowest bootleg ever to 4000 yards ... he knows the system and can A-B-C-dump with his eyes closed. yates needs more practice time throwing to a spot while identifying coverage.
i think yates is going to be pretty good for the texans, that opinion hasnt changed, but he's not ready unless we want to make a reckless gunslinger out of him (which would be an upgrade). if we're going to go with a game manager, someone who knows the game and can get us wins in the playoffs, i'd much rather see garcia or delhomme.
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Look folks, we aren't going very deep in the playoffs anyway considering all that's happened with the injuries. I would rather keep TJ in, if for nothing else than he needs the practice. With the point production down by 10 points a game since Schaub has left, and AJ questionable and a weak WR core, we might not even beat the Titans.
But it's not time for Delhomme. He won't be here next year, or Garcia either. If Schaub does not return, it'll be either Hot Tub or Yates or someone else, but it won't be Delhomme or Garica. Might as well give the playing time to someone who will be here next year.
Keep Yates. Pray for Andre.