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If Wade bails out?

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I keep hearing talking sports heads say Wade jumps at the next head coaching position.

Who do we get to replace him?

The guy that is the D-coord at UH is a Wade desciple and was the former DC at Dallas.

Might be a good fit? Who else plays a similar 3-4 scheme..

(and not just a regular 3-4)

TJ
 
Vance Joseph becomes D-Coordinator.

The job he has done with our secondary is quite remarkable.

Promote him if Wade leaves.
 
ha ha. Might make the team better if Wade is the HC and Gary is the OC. He could focus even more on play calling..

Or maybe we could just pay Wade like a second head coach? I sure would hate for the guy to leave Houston -- gives me the same "gut punch" feeling as when Bud fired Bum..

TJ


Texecutioner said:
Then we make Wade the head coach.
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speedfreek said:
I keep hearing talking sports heads say Wade jumps at the next head coaching position.

Who do we get to replace him?

The guy that is the D-coord at UH is a Wade desciple and was the former DC at Dallas.

Might be a good fit? Who else plays a similar 3-4 scheme..

(and not just a regular 3-4)

TJ
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If you're going to go with the UH defensive coordinator, then I would consider A&M's coordinator. The defense wasn't that good this year, but I don't think he had a whole lot of talent to work with either.
 
speedfreek said:
ha ha. Might make the team better if Wade is the HC and Gary is the OC. He could focus even more on play calling..

Or maybe we could just pay Wade like a second head coach? I sure would hate for the guy to leave Houston -- gives me the same "gut punch" feeling as when Bud fired Bum..

TJ
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If I'm choosing out of the two, I'm taking Wade all day. Before this season, he had gotten Dallas to the playoffs 2 out of 4 seasons while Gary was 0-5 in making the post season and is not about to go for the first time when Wade comes here. I'll take some of that Wade.
 
I'll give you the same answer as Kubiak gave monday, if it happens it happens and good luck to him. It's part of the game.

Not that I think he's leaving, but if he does then ok, and good luck :)
 
Texecutioner said:
If I'm choosing out of the two, I'm taking Wade all day. Before this season, he had gotten Dallas to the playoffs 2 out of 4 seasons while Gary was 0-5 in making the post season and is not about to go for the first time when Wade comes here. I'll take some of that Wade.
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The main reason I would rather have Gary over Wade is the difference in passion and commitment they inspire in their players. Wade's team quit on him in Dallas. You can say a lot about Kube's past failings, but his players have always fought tooth and nail for him, even if entirely impotent in their efforts.
 
Malloy said:
I'll give you the same answer as Kubiak gave monday, if it happens it happens and good luck to him. It's part of the game.

Not that I think he's leaving, but if he does then ok, and good luck :)
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What if he leaves? Well, then we may suck again.

Now, if you were Jacksonville or Indianapolis, wouldn't you be calling the guy? Not to say he would leave for those teams, but man wouldn't that suck if he left for one of those teams
 
TexansBull said:
What if he leaves? Well, then we may suck again.

Now, if you were Jacksonville or Indianapolis, wouldn't you be calling the guy? Not to say he would leave for those teams, but man wouldn't that suck if he left for one of those teams
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Whatever will be, will be.

I'm too old to worry about that stuff, it happens for both players & coaches. If we revert back to suck, well then... I'll still be here, such is fandom :)

Ride that rollercoaster!!!
 
John McClain said so on AM 610 about 5:30 last night. He said there was a lot of interest in Phillips as a head coach around the league after the job he has done in Houston this year. And he said that Phillips was very much interested in pursuing those offers because of course he wants to be a head coach again - they all do.
 
MojoMan said:
John McClain said so on AM 610 about 5:30 last night. He said there was a lot of interest in Phillips as a head coach around the league after the job he has done in Houston this year. And he said that Phillips was very much interested in pursuing those offers because of course he wants to be a head coach again - they all do.
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If he leaves, then he leaves. Can't do too much about it.

A couple of negatives for him as a head coach candidiate:

1. The man is 64 years old. These days the NFL is all about finding that hot up and coming coordinator or trying to lure the Superbowl coach out of retirement. Wade never was a Super Bowl winning coach and is not a youngster. being a Head coach may be for a younger guy.

2. As a head coach, while his teams have won a lot of games, they have significantly underachieved in the playoffs. In 2007, his 13-3 Cowboys laid an egg and lost to the Giants, who they should have beaten. In 2008, his team did not even make the playoffs. In 2009, they got stomped on 34-3 by Minnesota and the vaunted Dallas D led by Wade was humiliated. That of course led to him getting fired last year after a disastrous 1-7 start. He has a 1-5 record in the post season. His teams have never gotten past the AFC or NFC divisional series despite having some pretty stacked teams.

3. Wade reminds me of Marty Schotenheimer. In fact they are about the same age. Both are defensive minded coaches who had underachieving playoff teams. Marty was 5-13 and Wade is 1-5. When Marty was fired he couldn't get an NFL job anywhere and finally got a chance in the UFL this past season.

4. Does he even really want to leave. As a D coordinator in Htown he has complete control of his defense. In the draft he had complete control over picking players he needed for his defense. In Htown, his Head coach is a guy who looked up to him and his father. Wade is a Texas Good Old Boy whose schtick and demeanor work well in Htown, but it doesn't play nearly as well other places. In San Diego, Denver, and Buffalo he was criticized numerous times for being a "drawling Texan." Being a D coordinator as long as his D plays reasonably well he deflects all criticism. He also seems to genuinely enjoy coaching defensive players.

My guess is he stays this for one additional year. Next year will be the key. If he stays a second year he may become our perennial D coordinator like Lebau became to Pitt.
 
I think more and more teams are starting to realize that it wasn't Wade Phillips who ruined the Cowboys, it was Jerry interfering with Wade Phillips that ruined the Cowboys, the Texans defense this year proves it. It makes sense that hes getting offers but if I was in his position I would look at what I have to work with. One of the youngest and most talented group of defensive players in the league, a front office, owner and GM who will draft who you want if you need it or want it, and the chance to be a part of what will hopefully become a Dynasty football team in the 2010's starting with 2011/2012. I think he would be a fool to walk away from what he has here, and I know Bum didn't raise no fool.
 
If Wade Jumps ship I will PERSONALLY kick his muff-huggin' ass. Anyone in the Blue Crew (other than SheTexan) want to join me on this one?

:bat:
 
I don't think Wade will leave. I think he'll stay a few more years here then retire with a couple super bowl rings.
 
He's only getting about 1-1.5 million a year as a D-coord (average salary for that position). Head coaches make a lot more money than that, anywhere from 1-8 million a year. A guy like Wade might get 4-6 million a year for 4 years with a defensive minded team like the Dolphins, Vikings, Seahawks or Jaguars. He certainly has the resume to get a good offer, I just don't know if he really wants to leave and do that. Maybe McNair would be willing to give him a raise after such a great performance by the defense this year. That may deter him from leaving.
 
I think we will see Wade plenty next year since he will probably be the Jags new HC. The way I understand it is the guy is totally happy here but still wants a HC position. Who can blame the guy for wanting to reach the pinnacle of his profession? Best of luck whatever he decides.
 
BigBull17 said:
I think Wade may be content at this stage to coach here for a few years.
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My feelings exactly. He's home and he's never really had success as a HC. I'm sure we can give him the money to make it worth staying. Its not like he's an upcoming guy that's never been there. He's had 3 shots. Does anyone think he is that hungry for another chance and a rebuilding?
 
Wade's had his opportunities to be HC in the NFL with the Broncos, Bills & Cowboys & for the most pary they always end the same way....at some point his teams just get too lax & he begins to lose them. I think most people in the NFL know that he's just not a HC & Wade himself may not even want to delve into that crap again. I think as long as Bob pays him, he'd be content to stay here in a role he knows he can be successful in & in a city where he's got so many fond memories.
 
I think's it's McClain's usual speculation in order to drum up a story. He does this sort of crap all the time. He says Wade told him that he wants to be a HC again. Fine (notice there isn't a specific time period). But then McClain goes on to SPECULATE because of the job Wade has done this year with the Texans that surely someone would be interested in bringing Wade on as an HC.

The fact of the matter is a) McClain is not in Wade's head and has no idea what he thinks of the current situation and future in Houston and b) hasn't presented a shred of evidence that anybody actually wants Wade for any of the current HC jobs. In short this is all in McClain's head. Is it a possibility? Sure, but so are half a million other scenarios too.
 
False Start said:
John McClain AKA "Pancakes" was the first to bring it up. Its been discussed a little bit today on 790, and 610.
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Wow. Sure enough. Found this audio clip of McClain talking to Vandy & Lopez yesterday morning.

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I seriously can't imagine anyone hiring a 64 year old DC who has flopped (in the playoffs) at the HC position everywhere he's been.

I suppose UH could consider him....
 
I really dont think he will go anywhere soon. I seem to remember him saying hes content with being here, and just wants to be a DC for awhile. Another thing, I think Bum would kick his ass, lol.

FYI, Charlie Pallilo was/is discussing the subject on 790 just awhile ago.
 
#1 If John McClain were anything but a hack looking for attention he wouldn't need to release a story like this. Talking like this where we are at right now is bad voodoo. Like the Kevin Sumlin talk ruining UH's mindset, except I doubt Wade Phillips values money as much as Sumlin does. I'm glad he's not a famous or influential in any way, I really am.

#2 He's not going to rebuild a team, a 3 year project or anything. IF he's going it's to an established team with a solid foundation already in place.

Like say, the Texans have! How many places are going to give him the sun, the moon and the stars like the Texans did this past offseason? Tell me they didn't say, here, have anything you want. Where is he going to go where he's got a core group like his boy JJ, Barwin, Reed, Cushing, Ryans, Antonio, Manning, Joseph, Quin and let's not forget the possibility of Mario Williams coming back and getting a sack a game. They are young and with a mind like Phillips leading them they are damn good and only looking to get better with experience.

#3 MONEY??? If that's all it's really about, I think big Bob's got the horses for that.

#4 If it's ever going to matter, it's now. A good team in Houston. We're counting on you Wade. Bring it home, you'll be a legend FOREVER.
 
I would imagine Wade's agent is crafting a bit of a rumor here. Or McClain is speculating due to the enormous success of Wade Phillips and how that MUST somehow translate into offers of HC coming his way soon.

Plant just enough gossip to make McNair offer Wade some more money to stay here...when Wade Phillips would be pretty risky to leave a good place like Houston at this stage in his life.

He has the opportunity to let his defense do whatever they want, because of our excellent offense and its structure and plug-and-play attributes. He's home. He's near his folks. He has a shot, a LEGITIMATE shot, at winning Super Bowls now.

Plus, in the off-season it was Wade Phillips (IIRC) who said he was done chasing that head coach rainbow.

Sure, a lot of success like he's had with us this season can change things. I just don't see this as being anything more than (a) possible "leveraging" for a salary raise from McNair, or (b) McClain leveraging Phillips' success by drumming up a rumor-rich gossip style piece...to get hits/followers, etc.

Does anybody here really think Bob McNair AND Rick Smith are going to let Wade Phillips walk away and potentially go to a divisional rival or some other AFC team and take all his secrets with him? No freaking way.

If this is about the money, then we all know that coaches do not count against the cap. So it should be an easy decision for McNair and Rick Smith.
 
TexansFanatic said:
Wow. Sure enough. Found this audio clip of McClain talking to Vandy & Lopez yesterday morning.

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I seriously can't imagine anyone hiring a 64 year old DC who has flopped (in the playoffs) at the HC position everywhere he's been.

I suppose UH could consider him....
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I heard that yesterday. Besides all this being in McClain's head, why would it be that Wade would be the head of the pack in considerations for HC for other teams?

Sure, we've had a big defensive turnaround in Houston but that ignores other candidates that could be just as good or better. If we're talking DC's why not mention Dennis Allen (DEN), or Gregg Williams (NOR), or Mike Zimmer (CLE) etc.? The most logical answer is McClain wants to stir up controversy like he usually does.
 
I have to believe Wade's age is the biggest factor working in our favor.

How many 64 year old coaches have landed HC jobs in the NFL like ever?

Marty Schottenheimer was 58 when he landed his last job with San Diego.

Tom Coughlin was 58 when he landed his gig with the Giants.

Marv Levy was 61 when he landed the HC job in Buffalo way back in 1986.

But the trend these days is to look for the young up and comer.

I just don't see it happening for him. (Please, God.)
 
John McClain should have his a$$ kicked to next Sunday for doing this, btw.

Here we are, in the midst of our first ever playoff season...in the middle of the week as we try to gain more momentum to grab a 1st round bye...and he has to drop this sort of **** on everyone???

Thanks, John. You're a champ. As if there's not a dozen OTHER things you could be reporting and commenting on...such as Yates' rise, Turk's return and how well he did vs. Bengals for us, multiple "playoff" stories involving interviews with players and Texans personnel, the release of Mason and try to talk about who replaces him and why, the injury to Briesel and what's going to happen there, and on and on and on.....

But, he has to try and scoop a story. Whether his boss(es) are telling him to pursue this, or whether he is going after it himself, makes no difference. At this point, he's the ONLY distracting voice in H-Town with this bilge.

Thanks a lot, John. I guess since Justice is gone...there was a d-bag void that had to be filled. Looks like the job is yours to lose.
 
GP said:
John McClain should have his a$$ kicked to next Sunday for doing this, btw.

Here we are, in the midst of our first ever playoff season...in the middle of the week as we try to gain more momentum to grab a 1st round bye...and he has to drop this sort of **** on everyone???

Thanks, John. You're a champ. As if there's not a dozen OTHER things you could be reporting and commenting on...such as Yates' rise, Turk's return and how well he did vs. Bengals for us, multiple "playoff" stories involving interviews with players and Texans personnel, the release of Mason and try to talk about who replaces him and why, the injury to Briesel and what's going to happen there, and on and on and on.....

But, he has to try and scoop a story. Whether his boss(es) are telling him to pursue this, or whether he is going after it himself, makes no difference. At this point, he's the ONLY distracting voice in H-Town with this bilge.

Thanks a lot, John. I guess since Justice is gone...there was a d-bag void that had to be filled. Looks like the job is yours to lose.
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Exactly.
 
GP said:
John McClain should have his a$$ kicked to next Sunday for doing this, btw.

Here we are, in the midst of our first ever playoff season...in the middle of the week as we try to gain more momentum to grab a 1st round bye...and he has to drop this sort of **** on everyone???

Thanks, John. You're a champ. As if there's not a dozen OTHER things you could be reporting and commenting on...such as Yates' rise, Turk's return and how well he did vs. Bengals for us, multiple "playoff" stories involving interviews with players and Texans personnel, the release of Mason and try to talk about who replaces him and why, the injury to Briesel and what's going to happen there, and on and on and on.....

But, he has to try and scoop a story. Whether his boss(es) are telling him to pursue this, or whether he is going after it himself, makes no difference. At this point, he's the ONLY distracting voice in H-Town with this bilge.

Thanks a lot, John. I guess since Justice is gone...there was a d-bag void that had to be filled. Looks like the job is yours to lose.
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Do you know a sasquatch? It might take one to kick a backside that big.
 
Marcus said:
This. +1

Where are you guys getting all this from? Where did you hear that Wade wanted to leave?
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From what I have heard, "experts" think he will want to leave since he has had a successful season. This in no way means Wade will want to leave.

In my opinion Wade is happy being back in Houston and won't want to leave.
 
GP said:
Thanks a lot, John. I guess since Justice is gone...there was a d-bag void that had to be filled. Looks like the job is yours to lose.
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:yikes: WHAT!!!? When did Justice leave? I haven't taken the local ragsheet in years, and RJ is part of the reason!! Where have I been? Can't believe I didn't know that! Damn, gettin OLD is a biatch! I gotta do a better job of keeping up!!:smiliepalm:

EDIT: Sorry! I got so excited about what GP wrote i forgot what I wanted to post!

Bum is gettin old, and I doubt Wade will want to stray very far from his Dad. He has it all, right here in H-town, and from what I've heard from interviews, he's very happy doing what he's doing. He's a "homeboy" and that means a lot to him. He'll stay close to Dad! JMO!!
 
GP said:
John McClain should have his a$$ kicked to next Sunday for doing this, btw.

Here we are, in the midst of our first ever playoff season...in the middle of the week as we try to gain more momentum to grab a 1st round bye...and he has to drop this sort of **** on everyone???

Thanks, John. You're a champ. As if there's not a dozen OTHER things you could be reporting and commenting on...such as Yates' rise, Turk's return and how well he did vs. Bengals for us, multiple "playoff" stories involving interviews with players and Texans personnel, the release of Mason and try to talk about who replaces him and why, the injury to Briesel and what's going to happen there, and on and on and on.....

But, he has to try and scoop a story. Whether his boss(es) are telling him to pursue this, or whether he is going after it himself, makes no difference. At this point, he's the ONLY distracting voice in H-Town with this bilge.

Thanks a lot, John. I guess since Justice is gone...there was a d-bag void that had to be filled. Looks like the job is yours to lose.
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yep. He's a Titan-loving traitor to this city as far as I'm concerned.

He's still bitter that the Texans FO locked him out after his buddy Casserly was given the boot.

His football analysis is lame. He's only good for war stories, that's in between him babbling about whatever movie he and the missus just watched.

He can be entertaining, especially about history, but this story just makes me wonder about where his head is at. Why even run with it? I hear nothing about it on ESPN or NFLN.

I would honestly be surprised if Wade leaves this gig anytime soon. The Phillips family is royalty in this town! His dad is a local hero and an ambassador for the Texans. The fanbase loves Wade, and it's obvious that the defensive players are buying into his system 100%.

I have absolutely no doubt in my mind that McNair takes care of him. He'd be crazy to leave this job for the demands of a HC gig with a crappy team that needs a 3-4 year rebuild.
 
Wade has been coaching in the NFL for years, actually decades including several gigs as a HC and he's not worth just millions, he's surely worth tens and tens of millions of dollars and I doubt very seriously that money is a big consern of his at this point in his life/career. But I'm just as confidant that coaching again at the highest level is a top priority, so lets be thankful we had him here for atleast one season to get our defense pointed in the right direction and hopefully we can get another DC to run the same kind of 3-4 scheme Wade did
while he was with the Texans.
 
First, McCLain is a rumor monger, stirrer of sh*t, a master of yellow journalism, and not necessarily in that order.

Second, Wade won't leave (I'm pretty sure). Why?

Wade is old enough to figure out after Dallas that he isn't a head coach but he is one heckuva DC. He wants to be close to his parents now since they are getting older. He has a better chance of getting a SB ring here than any place he would become head coach.

It only makes good sense that he stay here. 1 million/10 million - big deal - at his age you can only spend so much, fun and a SB ring mean more than money and I think he is really enjoying himself here.

She Texan - learn to twitter/tweet/whatever it is called - you learn a lot that way with very little effort.
 
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Looks healthier and happier here.
 
SheTexan said:
:yikes: WHAT!!!? When did Justice leave? I haven't taken the local ragsheet in years, and RJ is part of the reason!! Where have I been? Can't believe I didn't know that! Damn, gettin OLD is a biatch! I gotta do a better job of keeping up!!:smiliepalm:

EDIT: Sorry! I got so excited about what GP wrote i forgot what I wanted to post!

Bum is gettin old, and I doubt Wade will want to stray very far from his Dad. He has it all, right here in H-town, and from what I've heard from interviews, he's very happy doing what he's doing. He's a "homeboy" and that means a lot to him. He'll stay close to Dad! JMO!!
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Justice is now a MLB.com writer. It was posted on the main forum, but then got moved (appropriately so) to another forum where it made more sense for it.

But yeah, dude is gone. It's like Highlander...when one warrior beheads another, he gains that person's power.
 
Doppelganger said:
If he leaves, then he leaves. Can't do too much about it.

A couple of negatives for him as a head coach candidiate:

1. The man is 64 years old. These days the NFL is all about finding that hot up and coming coordinator or trying to lure the Superbowl coach out of retirement. Wade never was a Super Bowl winning coach and is not a youngster. being a Head coach may be for a younger guy.

2. As a head coach, while his teams have won a lot of games, they have significantly underachieved in the playoffs. In 2007, his 13-3 Cowboys laid an egg and lost to the Giants, who they should have beaten. In 2008, his team did not even make the playoffs. In 2009, they got stomped on 34-3 by Minnesota and the vaunted Dallas D led by Wade was humiliated. That of course led to him getting fired last year after a disastrous 1-7 start. He has a 1-5 record in the post season. His teams have never gotten past the AFC or NFC divisional series despite having some pretty stacked teams.

3. Wade reminds me of Marty Schotenheimer. In fact they are about the same age. Both are defensive minded coaches who had underachieving playoff teams. Marty was 5-13 and Wade is 1-5. When Marty was fired he couldn't get an NFL job anywhere and finally got a chance in the UFL this past season.

4. Does he even really want to leave. As a D coordinator in Htown he has complete control of his defense. In the draft he had complete control over picking players he needed for his defense. In Htown, his Head coach is a guy who looked up to him and his father. Wade is a Texas Good Old Boy whose schtick and demeanor work well in Htown, but it doesn't play nearly as well other places. In San Diego, Denver, and Buffalo he was criticized numerous times for being a "drawling Texan." Being a D coordinator as long as his D plays reasonably well he deflects all criticism. He also seems to genuinely enjoy coaching defensive players.

My guess is he stays this for one additional year. Next year will be the key. If he stays a second year he may become our perennial D coordinator like Lebau became to Pitt.
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You are absolutely correct about #1, and that is why if he gets an offer to be a Head Coach again he will take it. Because there may not be another one coming again soon.
 
I think Wade will actually stay put for at least a year or two more, and I have 2 reasons to think this:

1) He is currently the highest paid D coordinator in the NFL. Of course, he could make more as a HC, but he is not exactly hurting at the moment.

"A source told ESPN.com senior NFL writer John Clayton that Phillips' deal is worth $2.1 million over three years. The contract makes Phillips the highest-paid defensive coordinator in the NFL."

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5992848

2) Somewhere on an espn article I read that he said he was fed up with being a head coach. Said he wanted to get back to what he knew and just be a defensive guy for a bit. He also said that he was really happy to be back home in Houston.

I think this is a prime spot for him. As some of you have mentioned, he is getting older and I think would love to just stay with his home town and coach what he loves. He has said before that being a coordinator is still coaching, and that is all he wants to do is be able to coach. It sounded to me like he was content (for the time being) to just do his thing and ride into the sunset eventually.
 
TexansFanatic said:
Wow. Sure enough. Found this audio clip of McClain talking to Vandy & Lopez yesterday morning.

LINK

I seriously can't imagine anyone hiring a 64 year old DC who has flopped (in the playoffs) at the HC position everywhere he's been.

I suppose UH could consider him....
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This should have been a conversation for the off-season, not pre-playoffs
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Crapola...

Well, I guess the good news is no team can approach him until we're officially out of the playoffs. Hopefully that will be in February.

I wonder if Uncle Bob has to grant permission for teams to interview Wade...? You know AZ shut the door on us a few years back to keep us from talking to F. Bush....
 
I believe:

-Wade does want to be a head coach, but only if its just the right situation. THIS is what works in our favor the most.

-We're well built to run the 3-4 defense now.

-If Wade leaves, our talent on defense doesn't leave with him.

-As long as Kubiak doesn't go and hire John Benton to be his DC (Reid-Castillo jab if ya get my drift) we should sustain a high level of defensive production.

-We should not hire a rookie DC. I like Vance Joseph, he comes off as a really bright guy and has done wonders with the secondary, but calling a defensive gameplan and dialing up the right plays at the right time is a whole new animal. If we've learned anything from Wade this year, it's that experience is important.

-Mike Nolan is someone to keep an eye on. He won't be back with the Dolphins and he's been a very successful 3-4 DC before. And guess what? Nolan has A) Broncos connections from 1992 when he was a linebackers coach and B) guess who was his DC for the Broncos in 92? One Wade Phillips.
 
John Mclame......seems like all that guy wants to talk about in press conference or on 610 is how Phillips will leave......talk about Debbie Downer...someone should do a youtube putting that in there....that would be funny.....

Marc Vandameer got pissed on the radio when Lopez talked about John Mcclame comments.....he said shut up.....lol
 
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