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Matt Schaub's Contract

How do you handle Matt Schaub's contract?

  • Trade him for picks this off-season, Yates starts next season.

    Votes: 15 15.0%

  • Let him walk after next season, Yates sits next season, starts the following.

    Votes: 26 26.0%

  • Re-sign Schaub and find the cap room elsewhere.

    Votes: 59 59.0%
  • Total voters
    100
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OK, so Matt Schaub's contract needs renewing after next season. With the talent we now have and the youth of this team, the Texans will be in a tight spot signing a number of players to contracts over the next year or two.

With that said, does the emergence of TJ Yates as someone with a higher cieling than Schaub lead the Texans into a difficult decision.

Apart from simply, do you let Schaub go or keep him, there is the question of whether to trade him and get some picks in return this coming offseason, or do you prefer to sit Yates next season and let him learn before making him the full time starter.

I know I'm probably getting ahead of myself somewhat, but then again everyone was talking about trading Mario before we'd even seen Brooks Reed play so maybe this discussion is overdue!
 
Too early to talk about it because there's just so much unkown at this point.

Schaub's health will be a major factor in the decision. There's a good chance he may not even start at the beginning of the 2012 season. How Schaub returns will be a major factor.

How TJ performs these last 3 regular season games and in the playoffs will be a huge factor in it, in my opinion. As well as the start of the 2012 season or throughou next season should Schaub not be healthy enough.

If all TJ does is win and he takes us to the Super Bowl, shows he's a leader of this offense and team, the entire team rallies behind him... it will be hard to push him aside and throw in Schaub fresh off a terrible foot injury.

I'm just not ready to annoint TJ our Franchise QB of the future so I feel lucky that we have the entire 2012 season to look into this. I also don't know how I feel about Garcia and Delhomme being our long term backup QBs either.
 
I would resign Schaub. We still need at least 2 experienced QBs. Now, as for Leinart, I think he needs to be released.
 
I cant even vote on this becase it's way too early, but if I'm answering right now Matt Schaub at the very least returns to the team.
 
Insideop said:
I would resign Schaub. We still need at least 2 experienced QBs. Now, as for Leinart, I think he needs to be released.
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What are you saying? Leinhart was 10-13 in attempts or something before he got hurt. I was utterly amazed by his statistics. I would try to keep all of them. Every Texans QB was playing very well when they started so you shouldn't release any of them.
 
Trade Schaub, 2013 2nd and 3rd Round Picks to Washington for 2012 1st round pick.

Trade Washington 2012 1st round pick, Texans 2012 1st round pick, Texans 2013 1st round pick and 2012 Texans 4th round pick to Indy for 2012 #1 overall pick.

Draft Andrew Luck and win titles.
 
So you want to replace Schaub (8.5 YPA 96.8 passer rating) because Yates has managed 6.6 YPA and 82.3 passer rating?

He's doing what he needs to in order to help the Texans win, but he's no Matt Schaub. A last second TD drive is nice, but they would have been running clock with Foster and Tate by the end of the 3rd quarter if we still had crazy eyes under center.

Maybe Yates does something magical the rest of the way, but so far, he's a quality backup who could start for some teams with disasters at QB.
 
Goatcheese said:
So you want to replace Schaub (8.5 YPA 96.8 passer rating) because Yates has managed 6.6 YPA and 82.3 passer rating?

He's doing what he needs to in order to help the Texans win, but he's no Matt Schaub. A last second TD drive is nice, but they would have been running clock with Foster and Tate by the end of the 3rd quarter if we still had crazy eyes under center.

Maybe Yates does something magical the rest of the way, but so far, he's a quality backup who could start for some teams with disasters at QB.
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I'm unsure either way...

I don't think you can look at Schaub's numbers a lone and make the decision. This has to be a football decision...

Besides....If you'd have to assume that Yate's doesn't get any better to strictly look at numbers. That could completely be the case, but I think we should let the season play out and just enjoy what we are seeing...
 
I think we need to sit on Schaub's contract until the end of next season. He's going to be 32 by the end of the 2012 season, and probably won't fetch too much on the free agent market given his injury history. I don't think he will be very expensive to re-sign at that point compared to other QBs around the league. We should work to retain him, but after his foot injury it will all depend on how he plays next season if he does play at all.
 
Rey said:
I'm unsure either way...

I don't think you can look at Schaub's numbers a lone and make the decision. This has to be a football decision...

Besides....If you'd have to assume that Yate's doesn't get any better to strictly look at numbers. That could completely be the case, but I think we should let the season play out and just enjoy what we are seeing...
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honestly I short of winning a Superbowl you got to bring schaub back. However it does mean you got someone you can developed behind schaub for a couple yrs.
 
If yates takes us to a superbowl and wins, then how can you not go with him, but we are not at that point yet.
 
I refuse to vote right now. If Yates gets us to the Super Bowl, let's talk about this(ditch Schaub). If he doesn't, try to resign Schaub at a reasonable price. I wouldn't even dream of tradin away draft picks. I would definitely consider gaining them.
 
As was stated elsewhere by someone else, at least we know we can now ditch Hot Tub Boy. But for now, that's all we know. We need to see how much Yates improves over the next three games.
 
Thorn said:
As was stated elsewhere by someone else, at least we know we can now ditch Hot Tub Boy. But for now, that's all we know. We need to see how much Yates improves over the next three games.
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agree, yates has shown poise and potential. but our points per game has gone WAY down since schaub went out, we were still scoring a lot when AJ was out, lets see what he does against the helpless colts, i dont want to have to go through what i went through last sunday, every sunday.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
Premature.
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Really. We know Schaub won't be traded. He's rehabbing from injury. We know Yates won't be traded. We also know Schaub will be in the last year of his contract. This will play out in 2012. For all we know, Both Schaub & Yates get injured, and another 3rd string QB emerges.
 
If I'm Rick Smith, I've got to start asking myself this question. However, I have to balance winning now, with winning in the future. Right now, I'm hoping TJ Yates increases his value over the next 6 weeks or so.

I would be just as apt to trade him for two 2s as I would be to trade Matt Schaub. If Kubiak says he can win a Super Bowl with Matt.

At the same time, if he says he can win the Super Bowl with TJ Yates, I'd be willing to trade Schaub for a 1st & 2nd.

If TJ continues to impress, I doubt the two would co-exist very long on the same team so I would definitely be thinking about moving one of the two. But I wouldn't bring it up to Gary or anyone on the team or coaching staff... not even ownership.


They've all got more important things to worry about.
 
I think its good to think about this. I don't think schaub will be ready until this time next year. I would tell schaub we will reduce his salary to 1m and he can make up the rest by active roster bonus or snaps. Say what you will and the stat whores can pull up all thenumbers they want, but schaub is a kubiak creation. Yates may not have the numbers right now, but we know he doesn't need a perfect pocket and he doesn't ball up like a baby in the pocket. He has a much better arm and can throw on the run a lot better. The run game and defense can be leaned on until he's matures. Yates has a bigger ball of clay.
 
It's too soon to make any kind of informed decision on this. At this point Yates has made a case for replacing Leinart as the 2.

He's getting better by the week and if he keeps improving then he might be pushing Schaub in camp next year or even begin the year as the starter if Schaub isn't ready to go. If he keeps getting better and carries this team to a Super Bowl then sure, he's the starter because that's how the NFL works.

I think there's enough time left in this season + playoffs for Yates to take that job. I can't say he's done it yet.
 
leebigeztx said:
I think its good to think about this. I don't think schaub will be ready until this time next year. I would tell schaub we will reduce his salary to 1m and he can make up the rest by active roster bonus or snaps. Say what you will and the stat whores can pull up all thenumbers they want, but schaub is a kubiak creation. Yates may not have the numbers right now, but we know he doesn't need a perfect pocket and he doesn't ball up like a baby in the pocket. He has a much better arm and can throw on the run a lot better. The run game and defense can be leaned on until he's matures. Yates has a bigger ball of clay.
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Hervoyel said:
It's too soon to make any kind of informed decision on this. At this point Yates has made a case for replacing Leinart as the 2.

He's getting better by the week and if he keeps improving then he might be pushing Schaub in camp next year or even begin the year as the starter if Schaub isn't ready to go. If he keeps getting better and carries this team to a Super Bowl then sure, he's the starter because that's how the NFL works.

I think there's enough time left in this season + playoffs for Yates to take that job. I can't say he's done it yet.
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If we win one playoff game, regardless of seeding, Yates will have earned a QB controversy and it will be very difficult to deal Schaub before he's a UFA. Besides, Schaub isn't gonna play second fiddle in this league. With some prominent signing coming up this season, it might well be a decision between Schaub and MW. I lean towards keeping the guy I demonized all season. Right now.
 
DocBar said:
If we win one playoff game, regardless of seeding, Yates will have earned a QB controversy...
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It all depends on how we win. If we're the #3 seed & play the Jets or Pats & they are unable to stop the run, Foster & Tate run for 100 yards each, two touchdowns a piece & our defense does it's thing... Yates hadn't earned anything.

But if things go the way they did yesterday... yeah, controversy started.
 
thunderkyss said:
If I'm Rick Smith, I've got to start asking myself this question.
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Um, no you don't. Schaub's under contract for 2012. He's not going to get extended while he's injured, and no one knows when he will be back on the field. There's no logical reason to force the issue.
 
srrono said:
lol way to early to think about this
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You're kidding yourself if you don't think Rick Smith hasn't been thinking about this for at least 3 1/2 games. It's his job and I think he's doing OK lately. Just like the head coach we've watched him learn on the job. I'm beginning to believe it takes about six years to mature at this level when you've never been there before. Granted, in this instant gratification society we're in now, NFL management just don't get that kind of time to prove themselves. Ask Tony Sparono and Todd Haley.

Perhaps McNair had a clue to what he was doing.

The Pencil Neck said:
Premature.
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Sure it is but someone is gonna bring it up because it's a valid point. Doc Jean talks about whether/when he comes back quite a bit in several different threads. Bottom line is if Matt can't come back and be the one (which I think will happen) then what trade value would he have?
 
Whether is fair or not at some point Matt's history of injury is a cause for concern and will play into whether he gets extended or not.

Very Premature on Yates too, but the kid looks like a gamer. Just not sure if he is franchise type material.

Either way, I'd much rather concern myself with keeping Foster and Tate around. Makes it easier to take a chance on a young guy when you've got a killer running game grinding away at opponents.

A year away, and Texans fans are still fickle. Some things do indeed never change.
 
hand the franchise over to yates... trade schaub and get what you can for him. quite a few QB hungry teams, only problem i see is there are some quality QBs coming out the draft this year.. to think, yates has only been playing organized football for 5 years. NC fans say he improved every year.. he already shows more poise, confidence, arm strength, mobility, & heart than schaub has ever shown, yates is more talented than schaub bottomline and has the QB traits you cant teach.. some of the guys around these texans board seem to be holding onto something with matt schaub, i keep being reminded about his 9k yards and all-star game MVP like it means something.. plain & simple schaub has 1 year left on his contract, if hes not gonna be apart of the texans future, trade him while he has value (he will be exposed when he no longer plays in the texans system)...

Winners win, losers make excuses....
 
Premier said:
hand the franchise over to yates... trade schaub and get what you can for him. quite a few QB hungry teams, only problem i see is there are some quality QBs coming out the draft this year.. to think, yates has only been playing organized football for 5 years. NC fans say he improved every year.. he already shows more poise, confidence, arm strength, mobility, & heart than schaub has ever shown, yates is more talented than schaub bottomline and has the QB traits you cant teach.. some of the guys around these texans board seem to be holding onto something with matt schaub, i keep being reminded about his 9k yards and all-star game MVP like it means something.. plain & simple schaub has 1 year left on his contract, if hes not gonna be apart of the texans future, trade him while he has value (he will be exposed when he no longer plays in the texans system)...

Winners win, losers make excuses....
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Good grief, to say you are suffering from premature every thing would not be a stretch. Now that being said, matt for another year with Tj in second place would be a reasonable situation. we have to see how the rest of the season plays out. I LIKe what I am seeing from TJ., but we need to move a bit more cautiously than what some would propose.
 
Wow, If the season were to end today, there is no doubt that Schaub is still the starter. TJ still has A LOT to prove to challenge Matt.
 
DexmanC said:
I concur. Premature DeMattulation
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Depends on which Matt we're DeMattulating...

Schaub, yeah, this discussion is interesting but a bit premature. If you're talking Leinart, we should get him healthy and showcase him next preseason so we can trade him. Keep Delhomme as the 3rd stringer.
 
ive seen enough of schaub to know what to expect from him. the texans arent going to be beating teams like baltimore, pitsburgh, new england, or new york in the playoffs with scores of 41-7.. playoff games with these teams will be close and will require a drive or 2 with a QB that doesn't shrink, concede sacks, and doesnt get that deer in the headlights look when hes under pressure.. schaub gets happy feet and makes dumb decisions because hes scared.. HES A SCARED QUARTERBACK.. why cant you people see this??


i dont need to be sold on schaub, im a texans fan, ive seen every game hes played. i used to defend the guy, not anymore.. im with the crowd that doesnt want him to be the houston texans quarterback anymore..
 
Hervoyel said:
It's too soon to make any kind of informed decision on this. At this point Yates has made a case for replacing Leinart as the 2.

He's getting better by the week and if he keeps improving then he might be pushing Schaub in camp next year or even begin the year as the starter if Schaub isn't ready to go. If he keeps getting better and carries this team to a Super Bowl then sure, he's the starter because that's how the NFL works.

I think there's enough time left in this season + playoffs for Yates to take that job. I can't say he's done it yet.
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:goodpost:

This
 
I'd go into next season exactly as we came into this season. Except with a switch of Yates and Leinart.

Schaub starts
Yates backup
Leinart third
 
Sideline said:
I'd go into next season exactly as we came into this season. Except with a switch of Yates and Leinart.

Schaub starts
Yates backup
Leinart third
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Obviously that's how it should be at this moment in time. But what if Yates takes us to the AFC Championship? Super Bowl?? What then?

:stirpot:
 
I think some of you forget that schaub won games when our defense was horrible. TJ has hung on to win when our defense is outstanding. Schaub is a pro bowl MVP. TJ has started2 nfl games. And if TJ happens to lose one of the next three games all you people will be moaning for one the old fart backups
 
texanway said:
What are you saying? Leinhart was 10-13 in attempts or something before he got hurt. I was utterly amazed by his statistics. I would try to keep all of them. Every Texans QB was playing very well when they started so you shouldn't release any of them.
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Leinhart was going to get Foster killed with that checkdown pass, and would not spend anytime looking down field out of fear of being hit. That is why his stats looked so impressive, but you need to look at what kind of passes he was completing. Leinhart will never be a good starter in the NFL.
 
I think we have to see what is going to really happen with Mario Williams due to his large salary and we also have to re-sign Arian Foster as well so we do have some big choices to make in the very near future. I think we need to hold our horses and let this play out and we also have to see how Matt recovers from the Lis Franc injury as well so we have a number of factors going on here.
 
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Its been two and a half games.. and even though Yates is playing decently he isn't up to Schaub's level yet. I don't know what else to say about this thread so..

Come on man.
 
Kthx said:
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Its been two and a half games.. and even though Yates is playing decently he isn't up to Schaub's level yet. I don't know what else to say about this thread so..

Come on man.
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Hey just think back when Tom Brady took over for Drew Bledsoe everyone said the same thing that you are saying no one thought that Tom Brady would lead them to a super bowl victory that season and take over a for a Drew Bledsoe who was still in his prime at the time. Drew couldn't unseat Tom Brady and there offense moved much better with Brady in the game. Can same thing be happening here lets wait and see!!!!


:doot::doot::doot:
 
I like Yates alot, and he might be the future of our Franchise, but two more years learning under Schaub and Kubiak wouldn't and couldn't hurt ya know. I am just saying lets not toss Schaub under the bus after Yates looks good :P
 
Kthx said:
I like Yates alot, and he might be the future of our Franchise, but two more years learning under Schaub and Kubiak wouldn't and couldn't hurt ya know. I am just saying lets not toss Schaub under the bus after Yates looks good :P
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The point of the thread wasn't to 'toss Schaub under the bus' its more to discuss what the Texans are going to do about suddenly finding themselves in a situation where they have a hot prospect with the potential to eventually win the job.

Schaub is Schaub, he's really good but has hit his cieling. I agree with the previous post that he looks scared of contact a lot of the time and allows that to cloud his decision making. Sure he won't stop you from achieving anything but then again he isn't going to put the team on his back either.

I'm not really sure where Schaubs value is on the market, it'd be fair to expect his value has moved on from where it was when we first signed him to ~$8mill p/year. So what are we going to pay him? 10-12 a year? In that case you can wave goodbye to either Mario, or a load of other good players who will need paying in the coming few years.

Thats all I'm saying here. Do you want to pay top tier money for good but limited talent??
 
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