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2006 Draft

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jacquescas

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So we will own the first overall pick in the draft we are going to have alot of questions to answer. I don't see Dom Capers back, Casserly prolly has a couple more years(unfortuneately) left.

So the question if we have the first pick is do we keep Carr or make a change. Making a change we prolly keep Carr on roster or release him, but he wouldn't net more than a 4th or 5th round pick at best.

I Prefer to give Carr another year simply because he doesn't have the line and a rookie is gonna basically lay an egg no matter who he is. So do we go D'Brickashaw Ferguson? Do we need to use a 1st overall for him? i saw we trade down to the 6-9 range, there are 3 quality LT prospects and we need as many picks as we can get there will probably be someone (arizona) looking to move up and is gonna sell the farm cause even if we get a top caliber LT, its gonna take a year to adjust. We still need help on the defensive side, we need a better outside linebackers.

Finally the end of my rant, we need to get off our high horse and either call up Ross Verba and pay him whatever it takes for him to play again this year, we have enough under the cap to get him back into a uniform. its to save a QBs career or at worst trade value. because Riley ain't cuttin it. Or we need to give Wand another shot, at least we can still pretend that he has potential riley is on the tail end.
 
I am SO NOT looking foward to the draft. Giving up our 2nd and 3rd round picks on Buchanon was huge, so I really don't see us making much of a killing in the draft at all.

The 1st question will be Carr. Do we want to take a QB? I say no because I still think he's our guy. But at the same time, it's hard to use a high 1st round pick on a lineman unless he's really that good. I don't see anyone right now who would be that good, like a Robert Gallery or anything. We're just going to have to make a trade to get a good lineman or shop in free agency.

But I think we either need a straight-up pass rusher or a killer TE. A great TE would be really be helpful to our team. I miss Billy Miller already, and he's not even that good! I really hope we keep Carr around. If Carr is going to be pressure all the time, he really needs a TE. The dump offs to Davis aren't good enough.
 
i say trade down a few spots fro a 5-10 pick maybe lower and possibly a seond rounder,still pick up ferguson, and hopefully get a good enough pick to pick up a receiver early, any opinions on Billy Pittman, he looks like a receiver that can do some damage and is under the radar enough not to even pick him in the second maybe wait, i dont see many Texas games out here, so i would be interested in what you think?
 
We gave the 2nd and 3rd pick from LAST draft to get Buchanan, if im not mistaken.

I think if we are #1 overall.. we should trade down 2-4 spots to someone who wants Matt Lienart and get us another 2nd or 3rd. Then with our top 5 pick, we pick up one of the stud LTs.

in the second round id like to see us get a QB, like Reggie McNeal. If we start grooming a talented young guy now.. by the time we get our oline patched up he will be ready to play... and if Carr does recover, we will have two young backups as tradebait/depth.

Then id like to see us get a good TE.. and another lineman. And finally.. in the middle rounds.. i want to see us pick up more LBs. We will hit paydirt eventually... we just gotta...
 
Now I remember the Chargers trading down and getting Rivers and a first rounder and all they did was move down two spots. If I am the Texans, then I try to trade down two-three spots to get an extra second and get your man; otherwise, draft the best LT. You can't afford to let another great one go. Casserly would be a goner for sure if we did not get our LT.
 
rittenhouserobz said:
Now I remember the Chargers trading down and getting Rivers and a first rounder and all they did was move down two spots. If I am the Texans, then I try to trade down two-three spots to get an extra second and get your man; otherwise, draft the best LT. You can't afford to let another great one go. Casserly would be a goner for sure if we did not get our LT.
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The Chargers didn't trade down. They drafted Eli Manning and the Giants drafted Rivers at #4. They then traded Manning for Rivers and several draft picks. Of course, then both QB's wanted #1 money.
 
infantrycak said:
The Chargers didn't trade down. They drafted Eli Manning and the Giants drafted Rivers at #4. They then traded Manning for Rivers and several draft picks. Of course, then both QB's wanted #1 money.
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Rivers sat out, Brees re-established himself as the starter and Rivers has yet to play. meanwhile I'm of the opinion Eli can become better than his brother Peyton and worth every bit of what the Giants paid to get him.

Remember also the Texans have tried that trading down scheme last year passing on a sure fire solution to our linebacking woes, two decent tackles and a punishing safety, just to name a few. The Texans would be better off if they just aquire the man they need like they did in 2004 with Dunta Robinson.

For all of you guys that insist on a left tackle with the 1st pick all I ask is that YOU watch them play a little bit before you jump the gun & automatically say D'Brickashaw just because alot of internet sites say he is the top prospect. things happen during senior years, some good some bad for right now he is highly questionable, missing games with an injury & not establishing himself so far this season as the best in College Football.

We've got a couple close to home to keep an eye on Jon Scott, Texas and Andrew Whitworth LSU. watch them closely, since there local and play for excellent teams you should be able to see them play often. The real blue chip OT is Marcus McNeil of Auburn 607 335 pounds they play Florida this weekend thats an excellent match-up and should test his pass protection skills to get a good indication how effective he might be in the NFL. then last but not least Eric Winston, Miami 607 315 pounds he has the best technique of the bunch but is still recovering from his acl last season. if he shows improvement in his range of motion and his footwork speed returns to pre-injury status he may become a Texan and worth a top 5 pick.
 
:tomato: Hey its something to do . Denver trades us their two first round picks ... and a second rd pick for our first overall pick .
GBNDR has Eric Winston as the best tackle .
 
I say we take the quarterback from USC and make Carr a backup, because that's all he is....a backup quarterback. After that, work on the offensive line.
 
texan2061 said:
I say we take the quarterback from USC and make Carr a backup, because that's all he is....a backup quarterback. After that, work on the offensive line.
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That's exactly what we should do...Let's pay Carr his $8 million option, then bench him so he can watch another promising QB get ruined by our OL...Brilliant!
 
D-ReK said:
That's exactly what we should do...Let's pay Carr his $8 million option, then bench him so he can watch another promising QB get ruined by our OL...Brilliant!
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While also paying him 8 million.
 
Ok here we go.

We trade down a couple of spots to acquire an extra 2 and 3. With our new first round pick we grab D. Ferguson. Now we have 2 2nds and 2 thirds. We have a couple of options. We can package a 2 and 3 to jump back into the first round to draft another stud tackle and play him as our right tackle, we can jump back in and get a disruptive ball hawk(AJ HAwk), or we can stay pat and wait for people to fall to us. I think there will be an excellent DE who will fall becuase of injuries. People will point to his injury and time lost and pass on him. I say we grab him should he fall to us. That man's name:Mathias Kiwanuka.
 
F-minus67 said:
Forget that, when you get a chance to get a franchise left tackle, you do and do it without hesitation.
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By using my strategy YOU GET your franchise LT, a stud DE, and possibly some extra picks!
 
awtysst said:
Ok here we go.

We trade down a couple of spots to acquire an extra 2 and 3. With our new first round pick we grab D. Ferguson. Now we have 2 2nds and 2 thirds. We have a couple of options. We can package a 2 and 3 to jump back into the first round to draft another stud tackle and play him as our right tackle, we can jump back in and get a disruptive ball hawk(AJ HAwk), or we can stay pat and wait for people to fall to us. I think there will be an excellent DE who will fall becuase of injuries. People will point to his injury and time lost and pass on him. I say we grab him should he fall to us. That man's name:Mathias Kiwanuka.
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What injury are you speaking of for Kiwi?? He missed exactly 4 minutes in the last game with an "injury". He taped it up and came right back out in the second half. You may have missed Kiwi various drives in other games, but thats because O'Brien likes to shuffle his defensive lines up VERY frequently.
 
awtysst said:
Ok here we go.

We trade down a couple of spots to acquire an extra 2 and 3. With our new first round pick we grab D. Ferguson. Now we have 2 2nds and 2 thirds. We have a couple of options. We can package a 2 and 3 to jump back into the first round to draft another stud tackle and play him as our right tackle, we can jump back in and get a disruptive ball hawk(AJ HAwk), or we can stay pat and wait for people to fall to us. I think there will be an excellent DE who will fall becuase of injuries. People will point to his injury and time lost and pass on him. I say we grab him should he fall to us. That man's name:Mathias Kiwanuka.
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You're talking about having 2 picks in the top 10, because that's where those two players are going (even if Ferguson is overrated) Hawk may be top 5, and Ferguson will probably go around #10.

So in short, that won't work.
 
WildBlackBear32 said:
What injury are you speaking of for Kiwi?? He missed exactly 4 minutes in the last game with an "injury". He taped it up and came right back out in the second half. You may have missed Kiwi various drives in other games, but thats because O'Brien likes to shuffle his defensive lines up VERY frequently.
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I saw him go down in the game and did not know he returned. I also heard he was gonna be out for a couple of weeks.
 
awtysst said:
I saw him go down in the game and did not know he returned. I also heard he was gonna be out for a couple of weeks.
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Nope. He returned but was later ejected for punching that piece of **** Butler in the mouth after Butler cheapshotted him(See: Cheapshot thread, that happened AFTER his injury). The only way Kiwi was going to miss the next game was if O'Brien chose to bench him for getting ejected, but O'Brien said he isnt suspending Kiwi or Washington.
 
WildBlackBear32 said:
Nope. He returned but was later ejected for punching that piece of **** Butler in the mouth after Butler cheapshotted him(See: Cheapshot thread, that happened AFTER his injury). The only way Kiwi was going to miss the next game was if O'Brien chose to bench him for getting ejected, but O'Brien said he isnt suspending Kiwi or Washington.
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Kiwi was reported as being out for the upcoming game and as I understood it from watching the clip over in the Cheap Shot thread, it was his teammate who got ejected for rightfully retaliating.
 
infantrycak said:
Kiwi was reported as being out for the upcoming game and as I understood it from watching the clip over in the Cheap Shot thread, it was his teammate who got ejected for rightfully retaliating.
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Washington was ejected for initially retaliating. Then a few plays later, Kiwi punched Butler in the face. Butler then jumped up and looked like he just won the lottery when the refs announced Kiwi's ejection.

O'Brien stated two days ago that Kiwi and Washington will not be suspended by him, but it is pending NCAA review.


Edit: Link http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=2185932
 
texan2061 said:
I say we take the quarterback from USC and make Carr a backup, because that's all he is....a backup quarterback. After that, work on the offensive line.
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I agree with the fact that Carr should be a backup, but I am all for us getting V Young if he comes out this year. Keep it Texan. :texflag:
 
WildBlackBear32 said:
Washington was ejected for initially retaliating. Then a few plays later, Kiwi punched Butler in the face. Butler then jumped up and looked like he just won the lottery when the refs announced Kiwi's ejection.

O'Brien stated two days ago that Kiwi and Washington will not be suspended by him, but it is pending NCAA review.


Edit: Link http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=2185932
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Oh man, I wish he would have done more. Like grab him by the helmet and slam him down, then when he was on the ground give him a stiff kick to the side of the ribs, the part the shoulderpads don't cover.

I just get the feeling that punk will go unharmed this year.
 
Youngstown Colt said:
You're talking about having 2 picks in the top 10, because that's where those two players are going (even if Ferguson is overrated) Hawk may be top 5, and Ferguson will probably go around #10.

So in short, that won't work.
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The last LB to be drafted in the top 5 was Lavar Arrington...5 years ago. Hawk hasn't done anything Derrick Johnson didn't do in college and he wasn't drafted 'till the 15th pick.

AJ Hawk top 5? Not likely.

Not that he's not a great player. But drafting LBs in the top 5 (or even the top 10) has become about as common as drafting TEs that high.
 
Youngstown Colt said:
You're talking about having 2 picks in the top 10, because that's where those two players are going (even if Ferguson is overrated) Hawk may be top 5, and Ferguson will probably go around #10.

So in short, that won't work.
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I do not know. I have seen some early mocks and have seen AJ drop into the teens or 20s. Besides every draft has someone who falls farther then they should. In the last draft I would say DJ fell farther then he should have, as did Spears.
 
awtysst said:
I do not know. I have seen some early mocks and have seen AJ drop into the teens or 20s. Besides every draft has someone who falls farther then they should. In the last draft I would say DJ fell farther then he should have, as did Spears.
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Aaron Rodgers
 
Bubbajwp said:
Aaron Rodgers
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In mocks....There was a big faction of NFL observers that were never impressed with him and didn't think this was a "slip"....just a more realistic slot. I'd put him in Bollers class of QB....and Boller was taken too high.
 
As deep as next year's first round is supposed to be at LT, I would be extremely disappointed if we didn't take a LT in the first round. It has been our biggest weakness since day 1. I would not have a problem with us trading down and getting the 3rd or 4th best OT in order to address one of our other weaknesses (TE, pass-rusher, CB, WR2). I think our remaining draft and free agency choices will hinge on whether our new head coach (making an assumption) wants to switch to the 4-3 or not. I would expect whoever comes in to re-evaluate several of our players, especially the skill positions. If we switch to the 4-3, we likely spend many of our selections on defense.
 
Vinny said:
In mocks....There was a big faction of NFL observers that were never impressed with him and didn't think this was a "slip"....just a more realistic slot. I'd put him in Bollers class of QB....and Boller was taken too high.
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To be honest, I think Smith was taken to high at #1, but nowaways everyone thinks a QB, even a lower level QB like Smith is worth gambling the next 6 years on.

As GM I would use most of my big time picks on the trenches, like the old saying goes, where the battles are won and lost. The the lower picks would look like all stars running, or passing.

I know its easy to say that.

I think some GMS overthink things. Making the pick equation difficult.

And to illistrate my point, here is a monkey dancing around. :monkey:
 
D-ReK said:
That's exactly what we should do...Let's pay Carr his $8 million option, then bench him so he can watch another promising QB get ruined by our OL...Brilliant!
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David Carr hasn’t proved himself over the past 4 years. Since he is overpaid and nothing more than a backup, trade him. There's a desperate team out there.
 
texan2061 said:
David Carr hasn’t proved himself over the past 4 years. Since he is overpaid and nothing more than a backup, trade him. There's a desperate team out there.
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You can't trade him without paying the $8 mil at which point it becomes cost prohibitive. This isn't Madden--get with reality.
 
thats a great idea, we bench carr and have leinart (a much less mobile quarterback) play behind our atrocious line. that way leinart can get sacked 80 times and we can have 12-16 million dollars tied up at one position. leinart is a product of the system. take away his great offensive line and his great position players around him and he will struggle like everyone else. or we could draft vince young (a mediocre passer at the college level) who will either throw 25 interceptions or get hurt from running so much. don't get me wrong, vince young has improved his passing this year, but all of those floaters he throws are interceptions in the NFL. all of those side arm throws he makes are either batted down at the line or intercepted. every time he holds the ball low like he likes to before throwing is stripped. the nfl can make great college QBs look pathetic, what do you think it will do to a mediocre passer? vince young is a great athlete, but for him to be a quality nfl quarterback his entire technique needs an overhaul. he needs to learn to throw over the shoulder, hold the ball higher, throw bullets rather than lobs, and a lot more. you draft him and you are looking at a minimum of 3 years before he is an adequate qb. you draft a good LT and WR or TE and sign a few OL players in the offseason, you are looking at immediate results from the team next year.
 
infantrycak said:
You can't trade him without paying the $8 mil at which point it becomes cost prohibitive. This isn't Madden--get with reality.
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The if he is traded befor the March deadline on his option then the other team will have to pay the 8 mil. If hes cut then we are free of it as are other teams who sign him afterword.
 
Yea but Reggie Bush seems to have IT and that's hard to pass on. He just seems to be able to make plays and BIG plays.

All that said I like L. White almost as much but I'd still take Bush.

I just better see o-line drafted 2-7.
 
BigBull17 said:
The if he is traded befor the March deadline on his option then the other team will have to pay the 8 mil. If hes cut then we are free of it as are other teams who sign him afterword.
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The buyback option has to be exercised prior to the last game of this season.
 
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