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Is this still a playoffs or else year for Kubiak

Hagar

Hagar

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With the injury to both Schaub and now Leinart, is Kubiak's 8-3 start enough to secure another season as Head Coach?
 
Nope.

I think Kubes has a free pass even if the team collapses (which I don't see happening any ways)

At least folks can stop saying that the Texans only won because the Colts missed Manning. We're doing alright without our starting QB.
 
No.

More.

Excuses.

Period.

The Texans are a Super Bowl-level team. Even if we tank the rest of the season and don't make the playoffs, another coach can come in here next season with this loaded roster and get us rolling.

Enough with the fear of changing coaches already. Look at San Francisco.

Regardless, we're getting ahead of ourselves. We are still in the hunt. Let's see how this plays out.
 
houstonspartan said:
No.

More.

Excuses.

Period.

The Texans are a Super Bowl-level team. Even if we tank the rest of the season and don't make the playoffs, another coach can come in here next season with this loaded roster and get us rolling.

Enough with the fear of changing coaches already. Look at San Francisco.

Regardless, we're getting ahead of ourselves. We are still in the hunt. Let's see how this plays out.
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I would totally agree with you using the 2000 Ravens and a putrid QB like Dilfer as an example. BUT, as bad ass as our D is, I can't say it is the level of that Ravens team........YET........we shall see as the season goes on.

I have been on the get of Kubes train for a while now, but that said, right now I think we are pretty much in the playoffs, which we will probably, if we had to honestly say now, are a 1 and done team since there will be no game against JAX or CLE in the playoffs, but who knows.

So, basically, when we had Schaub in there my expectations were more than just making the playoffs, now, I have been forced to downgrade them somewhat. So, final answer, we make the playoffs and Kubes is safe IMO and I have no beef with that.
 
HTown2ATX said:
I would totally agree with you using the 2000 Ravens and a putrid QB like Dilfer as an example. BUT, as bad ass as our D is, I can't say it is the level of that Ravens team........YET........we shall see as the season goes on.

I have been on the get of Kubes train for a while now, but that said, right now I think we are pretty much in the playoffs, which we will probably, if we had to honestly say now, are a 1 and done team since there will be no game against JAX or CLE in the playoffs, but who knows.

So, basically, when we had Schaub in there my expectations were more than just making the playoffs, now, I have been forced to downgrade them somewhat. So, final answer, we make the playoffs and Kubes is safe IMO and I have no beef with that.
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At this point, I am not counting on anything. I am just playing wait and see.

What happens if ATL next week goes after TJ Yates and knocks him around? Then what? It's been THAT kind of year.

Assume nothing.
 
Hagar said:
With the injury to both Schaub and now Leinart, is Kubiak's 8-3 start enough to secure another season as Head Coach?
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I'm sure Kubiak secured another season already. I don't particularly agree with that, but I don't see McNair cutting the cord after what we've been through.
houstonspartan said:
No.

More.

Excuses.

Period.

The Texans are a Super Bowl-level team. Even if we tank the rest of the season and don't make the playoffs, another coach can come in here next season with this loaded roster and get us rolling.

Enough with the fear of changing coaches already. Look at San Francisco.

Regardless, we're getting ahead of ourselves. We are still in the hunt. Let's see how this plays out.
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Kinda sorta agree. No more excuses & all, but damn.....

Imagine that Schaub isn't ready for opening day 2012. Then we've got Leinart & Yates. The QB is the cornerstone & continually looking for one is no way to bring in a new coach.

See if Cowher would be interested in Houston knowing Schaub is going to miss time next season & may not be himself ever again.

At the same time, I don't give Kubiak any better odds of succeeding given the same circumstance.
 
houstonspartan said:
At this point, I am not counting on anything. I am just playing wait and see.

What happens if ATL next week goes after TJ Yates and knocks him around? Then what? It's been THAT kind of year.

Assume nothing.
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Dude, we have a stranglehold on this division. I am not booking playoff tix yet, but seriously. not only would we have to collapse, TEN would have to just be balls out bad ass rest of the year....I don't see it as of yet.

Say Yates does get knocked around.......so, now we have to get a vet street FA to replace a late round rookie from North Carolina who was a 3rd stringer.....that doesn't kill me. Do I want to see that? Of course not, but I don't see it as dropping off a cliff....that may have already happened.......we have to just see what happens now.

I agree with you on no excuses to a degree....I'm just hesitant on the 1st and 2nd string QB's going down. QB is not RB, WR, etc.....we lost our 1st 2 string QB's man. So to me I give a little slack on that.

Not a ton, but some.
 
HTown2ATX said:
Dude, we have a stranglehold on this division. I am not booking playoff tix yet, but seriously. not only would we have to collapse, TEN would have to just be balls out bad ass rest of the year....I don't see it as of yet.

Say Yates does get knocked around.......so, now we have to get a vet street FA to replace a late round rookie from North Carolina who was a 3rd stringer.....that doesn't kill me. Do I want to see that? Of course not, but I don't see it as dropping off a cliff....that may have already happened.......we have to just see what happens now.

I agree with you on no excuses to a degree....I'm just hesitant on the 1st and 2nd string QB's going down. QB is not RB, WR, etc.....we lost our 1st 2 string QB's man. So to me I give a little slack on that.

Not a ton, but some.
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We won today, and Tennessee won today. So that still keeps us, what, two games ahead of them?

What happens if we drop our next two and they win their next two?

We will have a "stranglehold" on the division when we actually win it.
 
Hagar said:
With the injury to both Schaub and now Leinart, is Kubiak's 8-3 start enough to secure another season as Head Coach?
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Yes it is....the defense is winning for us now. We won't be scoring a lot of points like when Schaub was behind center but the defense is locking teams down too. On to the playoffs.......We are tied for the best record in the AFC and we still have fans that are thinking doomsday...tsk tsk
 
Did we win today????? Reading some of these posts u would think it was Houston Oilers at Buffalo all over again.:vincepalm:
 
houstonspartan said:
We won today, and Tennessee won today. So that still keeps us, what, two games ahead of them?

What happens if we drop our next two and they win their next two?

We will have a "stranglehold" on the division when we actually win it.
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I don't have TEN's remaining schedule up right now and I'm leaving after I post this to take my daughter home so no time to look this up, but I believe their remaining schedule is much harder than ours and their team surrounding their QB is much worse, so yes, with a 2 game lead IMO we have this nearly sealed up.

I'm not guaranteeing it, but I don't see this team just folding up like they used too and the schedule is just the right degree of easiness for the injuries we have right now (don't forget we still play INDY again so we know we may as well view ourselves as 9-3 right now b/c INDY clearly quit so that is an automatic win.....)
 
Why wouldn't McNair use the injury situation as an excuse? Everyone else seems to be.

The more accurate question should be . . .

Should Kubiak keeps his job even if he does make the playoffs?

That's for all you "in spite of"s out there. :stirpot:
 
houstonspartan said:
We won today, and Tennessee won today. So that still keeps us, what, two games ahead of them?

What happens if we drop our next two and they win their next two?

We will have a "stranglehold" on the division when we actually win it.
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I believe he said we have a stranglehold "now"

If we were to win out (which is just as likely as Tennessee winning out) we win the division. Even if Tennessee comes to Reliant at 10-5 & we are 9-6 Jan 4, we win the division if we win that game.

It's all about us right now. We take care of business, we win the division... i.e. stranglehold.
 
Kubiak isn't getting fired if we make the playoffs, which only requires a win against Indy - and I'm all right with that, all things considered.
 
The douches on 610 just said that, even if we lose out and don't go to the playoffs that Kubiak deserves a pass.

Good lord. Will fans in this town EVER have any f-----g standards?



:vincepalm:
 
I think Kubiak should keep his job this year regardless of the outcome from now on. The injuries to the team are immense but they have persevered. I can't be mad at him for much this year.
 
Dutchrudder said:
I think Kubiak should keep his job this year regardless of the outcome from now on. The injuries to the team are immense but they have persevered. I can't be mad at him for much this year.
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As much as I wanted Kubiak gone, I'm going to have to agree with this. When you lose your 1st and 2nd string QB, it's a tough road to climb out of for any coach or team. Luckly we still have Carolina and Indy on our schedule.

meh......at this point, we don't have a lot to debate about. We all know what's happening. All we can do is just watch the games and hope for the best. An 11-5 season is still not unreasonable if Yates responds to coaching. That's a big if, but still, it's possible.
 
Thorn said:
As much as I wanted Kubiak gone, I'm going to have to agree with this. When you lose your 1st and 2nd string QB, it's a tough road to climb out of for any coach or team. Luckly we still have Carolina and Indy on our schedule.

meh......at this point, we don't have a lot to debate about. We all know what's happening. All we can do is just watch the games and hope for the best. An 11-5 season is still not unreasonable if Yates responds to coaching. That's a big if, but still, it's possible.
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Yates has it, i dont know what "IT" is but i see it in him.
 
Kubiak isn't a great head coach regardless of playoff appearances, injuries or anything else.

He might be good. He's certainly average. But he isn't great.
 
Thorn said:
As much as I wanted Kubiak gone, I'm going to have to agree with this. When you lose your 1st and 2nd string QB, it's a tough road to climb out of for any coach or team. Luckly we still have Carolina and Indy on our schedule.

meh......at this point, we don't have a lot to debate about. We all know what's happening. All we can do is just watch the games and hope for the best. An 11-5 season is still not unreasonable if Yates responds to coaching. That's a big if, but still, it's possible.
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Sometimes life doesn't work out the way we want it. Sometimes things just happen to us, fair or not.

McNair has been more than fair to Kubak. He would be within his rights to fire Kukbiak if we don't make the playoffs. The guy has been more than patient.
 
houstonspartan said:
Sometimes life doesn't work out the way we want it. Sometimes things just happen to us, fair or not.

McNair has been more than fair to Kubak. He would be within his rights to fire Kukbiak if we don't make the playoffs. The guy has been more than patient.
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Kubiak is not getting fired at the end of this season no matter what happens now, we might as well just get used to that. The reason this team is so good this year is because of Wade Phillips defense can stop teams. Last year if we could have stopped teams we'd have probably been in the playoffs. I agree with and also wish that Kubiak would have been gone a long time ago. But it's just not happening. Might as well get used to it, kind of like what we have to get used to with our QB situation right now.

That's just the way it is. And I'm going to keep cheering them on no matter what happens.
 
Thorn said:
Kubiak is not getting fired at the end of this season no matter what happens now, we might as well just get used to that. The reason this team is so good this year is because of Wade Phillips defense can stop teams. Last year if we could have stopped teams we'd have probably been in the playoffs. I agree with and also wish that Kubiak would have been gone a long time ago. But it's just not happening. Might as well get used to it, kind of like what we have to get used to with our QB situation right now.

That's just the way it is. And I'm going to keep cheering them on no matter what happens.
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Absolutely. Praise The Lord and pass the ammunition.
 
houstonspartan said:
The douches on 610 just said that, even if we lose out and don't go to the playoffs that Kubiak deserves a pass.

Good lord. Will fans in this town EVER have any f-----g standards?



:vincepalm:
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Man, believe me, for years now I have been in the same boat you are expressing and so have a lot of us for that matter. But I really think this is a different situation.

Now, having said that, should the team just collapse or quit, than I'm ok with booting Kubiak.

But what I think most of us are saying is this is not the "same old Texans" and I really don't see a collapse coming. Probably lose a couple more games than I would want now, but I don't see a collapse. Should the team come out and just look totally unprepared and bone head plays are called, then I think you see more people gravitate to your way of thinking that many of us have had before.
 
Marcus said:
Why wouldn't McNair use the injury situation as an excuse? Everyone else seems to be.

The more accurate question should be . . .

Should Kubiak keeps his job even if he does make the playoffs?

That's for all you "in spite of"s out there. :stirpot:
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Even though I wouldn't keep Gary regardless. (I dont think Gary ever wins a SB even with Schaub)

I dont think Gary should be fired unless there's a complete collapse. 0-5,1-4.

If BoBBY hasn't fired Gary after four 5-7's in a row. I sreiously doubt this will be the yr he fires Gary. Remeber BoBBy makes excuses for not firing Gary. Atleast this yr he will have a legitimate excuse for keeping Gary.
 
i think we will make the playoffs. might be a close shave now though. id agree that this was a SB team before the injuries. GB won last yr with injuries but they werent key injuries to a-rod, clay etc like we've had.

i think kubiak has eliminated most of the doubt that he can be a successful coach with the teams performance this year so i think hes safe. fairly incredible sequence of injuries we've had/having and the team is still winning
 
i'm having trouble answering this one. it should be, but like TK said ... "but damn". kubiak built this team and it's currently 8-3, to fail would be catastrophic. however, i cant recall any team recently to have their 3rd string quarterback lead them into and/or through the playoffs. we just went from backup veteran "game manager" of a strong team to late round rookie trying not to screw up. i just dont know how to choose a side on this one.
 
Maddict5 said:
i think we will make the playoffs. might be a close shave now though. id agree that this was a SB team before the injuries. GB won last yr with injuries but they werent key injuries to a-rod, clay etc like we've had.

i think kubiak has eliminated most of the doubt that he can be a successful coach with the teams performance this year so i think hes safe. fairly incredible sequence of injuries we've had/having and the team is still winning
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Slow your roll, hoss. This is Wade Phillips' team and Wade Phillips' season.
 
Kubiak is so not leaving. We are 8 - 3 after losing so many starters I've lost count. McNair is not about to fire Kubiak after a bizarre season like this. Kubiak will return.
 
No reasonable owner is going to hold a head coach to the standard of "you were bulldozing into the playoffs, but couldn't finish the deal with TJ Frickin Yates at the most critical position in sports."

Its just not going to happen. And for all the whining, Kubiak fields a damn good offense most Sundays.

Kubiak stays. And at this point, rightfully so. Reload, heal up and come back next year.
 
Kubiak will be back next year. As much as I want to see him gone, this has been a tough year for him and the entire coaching staff. Kudos to him for keeping the team together and playing well.
 
TheDrifter said:
No reasonable owner is going to hold a head coach to the standard of "you were bulldozing into the playoffs, but couldn't finish the deal with TJ Frickin Yates at the most critical position in sports."
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At the same time, what would happen if we continue to win with Yates?

If we beat Atlanta, then Cincy, then Carolina, with T.J. Yates....... what then?

Will Kubiak earn his keep?
 
houstonspartan said:
Slow your roll, hoss. This is Wade Phillips' team and Wade Phillips' season.
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ha what bullshit. it wasnt cowhers or grudens teams either so, it was lebeau's & dungy's :rolleyes:

wade's been an awesome pickup (despite what you see on TT, you dont have to be anti one guy to be pro another when they're on the SAME team!)

they're a nice foil for each other imo. wade knows defence and can put guys in position to suceed but his discipline hasnt always been the best whereas that has never been a problem since kubiak has been HC here
 
Maddict5 said:
ha what bullshit. it wasnt cowhers or grudens teams either so, it was lebeau's & dungy's :rolleyes:

wade's been an awesome pickup (despite what you see on TT, you dont have to be anti one guy to be pro another when they're on the SAME team!)

they're a nice foil for each other imo. wade knows defence and can put guys in position to suceed but his discipline hasnt always been the best whereas that has never been a problem since kubiak has been HC here
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It's been a team thing, all year.

We still have a top 10 offense, Wade didn't do that.
 
Nawzer said:
Kubiak will be back next year. As much as I want to see him gone, this has been a tough year for him and the entire coaching staff. Kudos to him for keeping the team together and playing well.
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just wondering why ppl still want him gone at this stage when its pretty obvious we're one of the top teams in the league?

makes no sense to me
 
EllisUnit said:
Yates has it, i dont know what "IT" is but i see it in him.
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I'm with you, even if we get dogged on for having no solid evidence or logical reason to believe it. I've let blind fandom take over at this point. I don't see any point for myself to feel discouraged or skeptical.. :texanbill:
 
Tssssss. Hell yes kubes is save saver then fort knox we can lose out and misss the playoffs and he will still be save due to. Both matts going down he gets a save me pass. Lol
 
This is hunting season, not hatin' season - that begins in January. :kitten:

I am enjoying what I am seeing. I am also enjoying the efficiency. Once the season is over it will be time to re-evaluate.
 
Maddict5 said:
just wondering why ppl still want him gone at this stage when its pretty obvious we're one of the top teams in the league?

makes no sense to me
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I'm not one of those people, but..... what makes us one of the top teams in the league? 8-3?

New England will probably finish 13-3, 12-4.... something like that. Baltimore, Pittsburgh probably finish with 11 wins apiece.

If we finish 9-7, would you still think we're one of the best teams in the league?

I believe that's what it's all about. With TJ Yates pulling the trigger, we're not that 8-3 team. We might be better, chances are we're not... not even as good as that team. But we'll see.

IMO, the HC's job is all about the team, & all our wins have been team wins. The defense has only scored 7 points all year. They've helped the offense, short field, extra opportunities..... but it's been team wins all year long.

Kubiak has 5 games left (this season) if we go 2-3, we're still in the play-offs & we're still one of the better teams in the league. if we go 1-4 (9-7) miss the play-offs..... not so much.
 
Every Kubiak season has featured at least one "1-4" stretch, so the jury is still
out on how good the 2011 season will ultimately be.

So far, so good though.
 
Here's my position:

Can you find a coach that is going to make a difference next year? That should be the question that always drives decisions like this. In my opinion a Cowher doesn't fix this team. He's a defensive mastermind. Last time I checked, we've got one of those. Who comes in and gets more production out of our offense? The thing is I don't know how you answer that question. There are some holes on this team but I don't think there are enough that you point at them and say well we definitely need to start over. Who do you go get? I'll be honest, if this is a 11 or 12 win team (which I believe we are) and we have to "endure" 3 or 4 10+ win seasons in a row, I'm ok with that.

Instead of "is this a playoffs or else" year, the question should be "Is there any coach that makes this team better than Kubiak does?" If the answer is yes then go get him. I don't think that answer is yes. Not unless you're going to blow the offense up.

Mike

I thought we were a 10 win team before the season. I think we were a 12 win team prior to Schaub getting hurt. This is a damn good team.
 
Maddict5 said:
ha what bullshit. it wasnt cowhers or grudens teams either so, it was lebeau's & dungy's :rolleyes:

wade's been an awesome pickup (despite what you see on TT, you dont have to be anti one guy to be pro another when they're on the SAME team!)

they're a nice foil for each other imo. wade knows defence and can put guys in position to suceed but his discipline hasnt always been the best whereas that has never been a problem since kubiak has been HC here
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