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Shaub gets MRI on Hip
- Thread starter Vinny
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Sure he did. I bet he didn't want to take another round of questions.
Hervoyel
BUENO!
That's a shame because I want to see Leinart play. I don't really think he'll be better than Schaub has been, it's just morbid curiosity at this point. I confess to a slight hope that the offense might catch a spark off of a different QB who hasn't been knocked around as much and isn't used to playing with the starters.
TheMatrix31
Hall of Fame
Yet another banged upplayer. *sigh*
Dude better actually be alright.
Dude better actually be alright.
texanhead08
All Pro
That makes one of us. I want no part of Leinart. If this board thinks Schaub has a weak arm wtf are they going to say when 99.9% of the passes go to the RB's with Leinart in there.
DX-TEX
#TomSavageDontCare
99.5% of our passes now go to RB's/TE's.
You must have been napping when Schaub threw that pass into the EZ to JJ ?
But just for the record, isn't that what a WCO is supposed to do, throw a ton of short passes ? And no I'm not saying for a minute that Schaub has a strong arm.
Schaub didn't play badly yesterday, certainly better than the Raider game.
But we take a huge step-down with Leinert in @ QB instead of Schaub.
Grams
Veteran
No, No and NO. There is a reason why he is a backup QB, and a reason why no other team really wanted him in the offseason.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
yeah, i notice too that all the VY fan boys are in hiding after their guy nearly blew the game for the eagles in just 2 damn plays.
1st play...hand off to McCoy for a couple of yards.
2nd play....interception.
absolutely terrible pass, couldn't imagine what he saw to make him throw that ball. dude was no where near open.
1st play...hand off to McCoy for a couple of yards.
2nd play....interception.
absolutely terrible pass, couldn't imagine what he saw to make him throw that ball. dude was no where near open.
Hervoyel
BUENO!
Well, can he actually hit those RB's or is he just going to throw at their feet like Schaub does half the time?
A quick run around highlight videos for Leinart shows me a guy who doesn't appear to have that much worse an arm than Schaub. Matt's not making good decisions and hasn't been for a while. Maybe it's time he sat down, got healthy, and got his head straight. Even Warren Moon got benched for Cody Carlson when his game was kind of all over the place.
We throw a bunch of stuff to TE's and RB's anyway. Our one healthy deep threat only catches the ball every third Sunday and when AJ gets back it isn't like he's going to miss being hit in stride all the time. He's been coming back for balls since he entered the league.
Hervoyel
BUENO!
That's an assumption you're making since you've never seen Leinart play here outside of preseason with the 2's, 3,s and scrubs. Schaub has been playing erratically for over a year. Shake the friggin tree and see what happens. What's the worst that can come of it? Another .500 record? Maybe a 6-10? It's not like we don't usually get that from a Schaub led Texans team.
Ive lost confidence in Schaub too .... He doesnt have the big arm , throws a lot of bad - inaccurate balls , plays softer than Charmin. It seems to me he's playing not to get hurt .... How many times have we seen him fold up into the fetal position before contact rather than trying to make a damn play ....
Dude just plays like he's scared to make a mistake ..... He's the Anti-Favre.
Whoa.... hold on right there, It's not that bad.
He's gone down after questionable contact (like Seymour one handing him to the ground), but the guy has taken some pretty good smacks too.
There are a lot of things wrong with the man's game, we don't need to make **** up.
When Manning takes a dive, we call it smart, not so much if Schaub does it???? c'mon man.
TEXANRED
Texan-American
I agree with you. Throwing a pic 6 to end a game, throwing an INT to a defensive lineman, can't complete a pass in the second half, underthrowing balls, over throwing balls, mental break downs in the red zone, we really don't need to make things up.
I think I looked up Schaub's stat against the division and he is 6-11. I hope we start someone other than him to give us a chance.
Whoa, Hold on....
I've been one of Shamwow's harshest critics, but are we really talking about replacing him? This season?
Kubiak's wagon is hitched to shammy. This season is still alive. I don't think I'm ready or willing to come to the conclusion that we need to bench or trade our starting QB.
He has not been good. He has played below what I think he should have in just about every game this year. But this past game he wasn't terrible. He did some things wrong and pissed me off a few times, but overall he didn't cost us the game.
He didn't do anything special to put us over the top, but he played ok.
If I were the Texans and I made the play-offs this year I'd seriously be looking at drafting a QB with physical tools pretty high in the draft...About the 3rd round. Special players at the qb position are hard to come by, but if you find one you should always have a pretty good team. Shammy is not special. But he doesn't completely suck to the point where we should be trying to replace him in the middle of the season when we have our most legit chance at making the play-offs ever.
I've been one of Shamwow's harshest critics, but are we really talking about replacing him? This season?
Kubiak's wagon is hitched to shammy. This season is still alive. I don't think I'm ready or willing to come to the conclusion that we need to bench or trade our starting QB.
He has not been good. He has played below what I think he should have in just about every game this year. But this past game he wasn't terrible. He did some things wrong and pissed me off a few times, but overall he didn't cost us the game.
He didn't do anything special to put us over the top, but he played ok.
If I were the Texans and I made the play-offs this year I'd seriously be looking at drafting a QB with physical tools pretty high in the draft...About the 3rd round. Special players at the qb position are hard to come by, but if you find one you should always have a pretty good team. Shammy is not special. But he doesn't completely suck to the point where we should be trying to replace him in the middle of the season when we have our most legit chance at making the play-offs ever.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
One of the most common causes of hip pain are herniated disc back problems, referring pain to the hip and buttocks areas. During the game, I commented that he seemed to have incurred a back injury in that he was in a kneeling bent forward position, an exercise used to try to stretch the back. I'd be surprised if that "hip MRI" does not also focus it's attention to the lumbar/sacral vertebral areas. The way Schaub was hit on so many plays so that his body folded somewhat sideways, you've got to think of a possible disc injury.
Vinny
shiny happy fan
Schaub's body language was awful yesterday. I think "gimpy" is an understatement when watching him move. A few hard knocks in Nashville and I'm not sure if he can last the season.
What QB has Kubiak coached that tore up the league and won a bunch of games other than John Elway? Heck, the Broncos only won ONE playoff game after Elway retired.
nero THE zero
All Pro
The crap he was pulling yesterday would make the Duke basketball team proud. Every time he got touched he'd go down like someone torpedoed his knees.
He's also patented the "head grab." When it happened in NOLA I couldn't tell if he was acting, but he's pulled the same move in every game since.
It's embarrassing. I don't like to cheer for those kinds of players.
Exactly. None.
TimeKiller
Guest
Not trying to steal your thunder, I think everybody pretty well respects your medical opinion by now....but from what I saw he was doing a yoga pose aimed at opening the hip joint and stretching it out. You take a knee, roll your front hip out so your front knee touches the ground, then you stretch and lean forward. Believe me, it's NOT a back stretch. It very well could be any of the problems you've said but I think that was to address his gimpy walk, maybe a thigh bruise or hip joint problem. Either way it sucks to have him nearing an injured status too!
Yeah. I mean it's football. I've never been repeatedly tackled by the Ravens defense but I damn sure wouldn't put that act on. Everyone knows your hurt buddy, you don't have to ham it up. Stretching on the sidelines is one thing but like if you're gonna act, ACT like it DOESN'T hurt. On the field especially, you're just letting them know they're getting to you.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Steve Young.
eriadoc
Texan-American
Jake Plummer raised his QB rating 20-30 points the years he worked under Kubiak. Brian Griese actually went to a Pro Bowl. I think the hope when Kubiak was brought here was if he could do that with those bums, imagine what he could do with a good QB. So IF you thought that, then what's your conclusion now? I just think Kubiak's system is going to make any basically competent QB look good, but it's not going to turn Jake Plummer into John Elway. And it's not going to turn Matt Schaub into anything better than what you see right now. And for those wanting to see Matt Leinart, the system is not going to turn him into even Matt Schaub.
At the end of the day, the NFL has turned pro football into a game of quarterbacks. It's still more a team sport than any other, but the QB has never been more important today. If you have a good QB, you'll win Super Bowls. If you have a bad QB, you'll have a chance to draft a good one. If you have a decent QB, you're stuck with him, because no one wants to give up on him, you're always on the verge of winning so you're drafting other players, and in our case, the coach's job is tied into the decision.
Vinny
shiny happy fan
In 8 seasons with Griese and Plummer, the Broncos won 1 more playoff game than the Texans have the last 8 seasons. Good offenses that could not finish...sound familiar?
eriadoc
Texan-American
That's pretty much what I was trying to say. We were all blinded by the flash of what he did with Plummer and to a lesser extent, Griese. The Broncos went 13-3 with Plummer, won a playoff game, and lost in the AFC Championship. As much as I think that's the absolute ceiling (really pretty imaginary), I'd take it right now. But my overriding point was that Kubiak's offensive system puts QBs in position to look good and m,ask their deficiencies, but at some point, the real QB will always shine through. This is as good as Schaub can be, the offense can't finish, and we're stuck with it.
Vinny
shiny happy fan
ok....I agree that he has a system that racks up QB numbers. I don't think Schaub is as good as Plummer was with less talent at WR. Just watching Schaub makes me think he is regressing this season though. I'm a little worried about him going fwd.
The game yesterday made me regret ever backing Matt. He was ok, but I don't want a QB that quits on plays SO easy. One time the guy was like 23 yards away and blocked and he just flopped and then limped of the field. He really didn't take any bad hits and looked like he had been beat with a bat. Was just a pathetic display. Good QBs keep their eyesdown field even when theey are wrapped up. Brees, Brady, Manning, even Flaco kept looking when they were wrapped up. Schaub looks like he wants nothing more than to lay on the ground. I'm just done. If he is hurt, he is obviously too hurt to play.
eriadoc
Texan-American
Once he starts to move left or right from the pocket (not a designed rollout), he's done. I just wait for him to throw it out of bounds. With AJ in the game, there's a chance someone will come open, but without AJ, it's a throwaway or sack.
fiasco west
All Pro
I'm curious about playing Matt 2 as well. Simply because in preseason the one thing he did do was stand tall in the pocket and deliver the ball despite pressure.
I haev no problem with Matt taking sacks...but when your offense NEEDS to score you have to man up and not concede defeat so easily.
eriadoc
Texan-American
Wow.
Texans_Chick
Utopian Dreamer
Body language?
Just the Ngata helmet hit to the chest would end most of us. Much less all the hits he has taken the last couple of weeks.
They need to figure out this running game thing pronto.
We are likely going to get no honest discussions of Schaub's health. /signed this old article
Just the Ngata helmet hit to the chest would end most of us. Much less all the hits he has taken the last couple of weeks.
They need to figure out this running game thing pronto.
We are likely going to get no honest discussions of Schaub's health. /signed this old article
TEXANRED
Texan-American
TEXANRED
Texan-American
You don't think they miss Leach? Really? You must be Rick Smith.
Just ask any number of Linebackers that Leach put a hurt on yesterday.
nero THE zero
All Pro
The Ravens made a point to try and get Leach involved early (obviously to put it to his old team) and it failed miserably.
Rice was held to under 3.0YPC until the 4th quarter at which point the Ravens started running one back sets.
You think the Texans missed Leach when Foster put 155 on the Steelers? Or does Leach have healing powers?
The Texans don't miss Leach. They miss Andre.
Now Steph you know the "Code of the NFL". No head coach gets into specifics about any player's injury unless said player is obviously out for the season (see Mario) or was knocked out of a game and could not return. And even in the latter case, they're as vague as the press allows them to be. The best we'll get is when they have to declare the health status (probable, questionable, etc.) going into the weekend.
Speaking of health issues, I have an uneasy suspiction that some of the O-line guys aren't 100% either. I know for a fact I saw Duane Brown seriously hobbling yesterday. Haven't heard a word about him either.
I see your point, but the Texans DID miss Leach against the Raens yesterday, if only on the 4th and 1 that failed miserably.
Vinny
shiny happy fan
Yeah I don't like his body language. Yes, it has a lot to do with the hits. Regardless, it still equates to projecting weakness in a physical sport that takes advantage of weakness. David Carr would pop back up, throw some praise and would be amazingly fresh as a daisy despite throwing himself into sack after sack. He was the energizer bunny of self-sacking quarterbacks, but certainly that amazing durability didn't make him a good qb. It was however, an important trait for a QB and one reason he stuck in the league so long...that and his shiny locks of course. Schaub looks like Charlie Brown after he gets hit. He doesn't look like a guy who is going to hold up much longer to me. He seems to be playing a bit gimpy and his MRI today tells us he is in pain...they just don't know if its just regular pain, pain, or something broken or strained pain. Regardless, I'm not anti-Schaub and I'm not one of the guys who are destroying his game right now even though we only had 76 yards in his final five drives...I just don't like his body language right now.
badboy
Hall of Fame
I never heard how Briesel's ankle was either.
I bet OD & Matt misses James Casey.
80tothezone
Veteran
schaub is good enough, considering what is available out there he is the best option. only one brady and one peyton. might be a good idea to try n groom a guy for the future but schaub can get us there. As for people coming back for passes normally happens when throwing on the run which is to be expected.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
TK, I'm always open to observations. What I remember was that he was on his knees, but not with one in front of his other (or crossing over) and his body was bending down at the waist straight down to the ground. As I'm sure you know, direct hits to the hip area again can do a number on the back as well as the hip. Injury to the back or the hip will cause hip and buttocks muscles to go into spasm, and if YOUR observations are truer to form, it would still be a very appropriate maneuver. I have a feeling the Texans would go with a hip bruise for public consumption before they would reveal a disc injury.
speedfreek
All Pro
I hope he's not hurt and misses time --
yet another reason for Boobiak to claim he deserves another year
TJ
yet another reason for Boobiak to claim he deserves another year
TJ
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
He is out for the season with a Lisfranc injury. The Lisfranc injury is a fracture and/or dislocation of the midfoot region. In a 300 pound lineman, it can be career ending.
Edit: Sorry, that was Barber's injury..not Briesel's. In a light player, this still could be a career altering injury.
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If you go back and watch that play .... Schaub basically ran into Ngata to avoid pressure from the edge.
Texans_Chick
Utopian Dreamer
Well yeah. I can tell you what my body language would be after that collision.
6 feet under. It's a wonder he didn't break something.
The body language game is a hard one. On one hand, you don't want to show you are hurt. On the other hand, like the JJ Watt shoved into Big Ben hit that resulted in a penalty, sometimes a QB has to show that a hit hurt to maybe draw a flag. That's just how things work.
Schaub got $50,000 worth of fines from Jared Allen with no flag because he was able to complete passes without crumpling after the hit.