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First, I know it was a loss but didn't most of us expect it? I was very impressed with the overall defense. Reed, Barwin, Smith were excellent. I did not focus on Watt and don't remember him doing much, maybe someone else can help me out? ALso Demeco, I saw hoim make one good tackle but didn't impact game that I saw. Cushing was a man possessed and no one should say anything about this D without Mario. Williams would make it better but no one laid down. KJ did not cost a TD (I don't think). He had the holding call but that can happen. He was only beat once I saw and that turned out to be Manning's not helping at least what announcer said. I never got a clear picture of the play.

Offense looked better than I expected. I was worried about Briesel's ankle but did not seem to effect him much. A TE cost us a sack that hurt Matt and Schaub took a beating all game but hung in there. We need to get a QB soon to prepare to take over for Matt eventually. That may be Yates but difficult to say now. Positive upside is our recieving corps looked pretty good and we will be alright especially when AJ returns.

Jacoby was outstanding imo and all I can hope for is to see more of it. He is so inconsistent. THis game impressed me as I believe the team played four quarters and I wanted to see that. We are gonna be limping against you know who next week.
 
The offense managed 14 points, and that was better than you expected? Were you expecting a shut out? And they played 4 quarters? Ummmm, I guess technically they did, but if you mean they actually completed a game and didn't go mentally soft, I guess we'll have a disagreement there.
 
badboy said:
First, I know it was a loss but didn't most of us expect it? I wan very impressed with the overall defense. Reed, Barwin, Smith were excellent. I did not focus on Watt and don't remember him doing much, maybe someone else can help me out? ALso Demeco, I saw hoim make one good tackle but didn't impact game that I saw. Cushing was a man possessed and no one should say anything about this D without Mario. Williams would make it better but no one laid down. KJ did not cost a TD (I don't think). He had the holding call but that can happen. He was only beat once I saw and that turned out to be Manning's not helping at least what announcer said. I never got a clear picture of the play.

Offense looked better than I expected. I was worried about Briesel's ankle but did not seem to effect him much. A TE cost us a sack that hurt Matt and Schaub took a beating all game but hung in there. We need to get a QB soon to prepare to take over for Matt eventually. That may be Yates but difficult to say now. Positive upside is our recieving corps looked pretty good and we will be alright especially when AJ returns.

Jacoby was outstanding imo and all I can hope for is to see more of it. He is so inconsistent. THis game impressed me as I believe the team played four quarters and I wanted to see that. We are gonna be limping against you know who next week.
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I'm with you on the first paragraph. Then you lost me. Everyone keeps telling me what a great offense the Texans have, and I even fall into the trap of thinking they're good sometimes. But when it really matters, when everyone doubts them, they confirm the doubts. They're good enough to show some stats after the game, but not good enough to dictate the pace of the game or even win most of the time .... or even half the time, if you count the last few years, or even five years.

Kubiak is a mediocre head coach and has built a mediocre team.
 
badboy said:
First, I know it was a loss but didn't most of us expect it? I was very impressed with the overall defense. Reed, Barwin, Smith were excellent. I did not focus on Watt and don't remember him doing much, maybe someone else can help me out? ALso Demeco, I saw hoim make one good tackle but didn't impact game that I saw. Cushing was a man possessed and no one should say anything about this D without Mario. Williams would make it better but no one laid down. KJ did not cost a TD (I don't think). He had the holding call but that can happen. He was only beat once I saw and that turned out to be Manning's not helping at least what announcer said. I never got a clear picture of the play.

Offense looked better than I expected. I was worried about Briesel's ankle but did not seem to effect him much. A TE cost us a sack that hurt Matt and Schaub took a beating all game but hung in there. We need to get a QB soon to prepare to take over for Matt eventually. That may be Yates but difficult to say now. Positive upside is our recieving corps looked pretty good and we will be alright especially when AJ returns.

Jacoby was outstanding imo and all I can hope for is to see more of it. He is so inconsistent. THis game impressed me as I believe the team played four quarters and I wanted to see that. We are gonna be limping against you know who next week.
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prolly?

I think I'll respond text style: txns r awsom!
 
badboy said:
First, I know it was a loss but didn't most of us expect it? I was very impressed with the overall defense. Reed, Barwin, Smith were excellent. I did not focus on Watt and don't remember him doing much, maybe someone else can help me out? ALso Demeco, I saw hoim make one good tackle but didn't impact game that I saw. Cushing was a man possessed and no one should say anything about this D without Mario. Williams would make it better but no one laid down. KJ did not cost a TD (I don't think). He had the holding call but that can happen. He was only beat once I saw and that turned out to be Manning's not helping at least what announcer said. I never got a clear picture of the play.

Offense looked better than I expected. I was worried about Briesel's ankle but did not seem to effect him much. A TE cost us a sack that hurt Matt and Schaub took a beating all game but hung in there. We need to get a QB soon to prepare to take over for Matt eventually. That may be Yates but difficult to say now. Positive upside is our recieving corps looked pretty good and we will be alright especially when AJ returns.

Jacoby was outstanding imo and all I can hope for is to see more of it. He is so inconsistent. THis game impressed me as I believe the team played four quarters and I wanted to see that. We are gonna be limping against you know who next week.
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did we win, i got pee wee football to feel good about
 
Porky said:
The offense managed 14 points, and that was better than you expected? Were you expecting a shut out? And they played 4 quarters? Ummmm, I guess technically they did, but if you mean they actually completed a game and didn't go mentally soft, I guess we'll have a disagreement there.
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Prior to the game how many points did you expect? I was expecting maybe 17. We were playing a good defense without Superman. Where did you se more than a play or two where player went soft?
 
The D played outstanding - the O didn`t. At one point this season our running game lost a step or 2. Schaub has a tendency to always be a tad off - a little high, little low... good WRs still catch those, but forget yards after catch if the ball is underthrown or overthrown.

This loss is not that bad - since it was one of the toughest games we play all season. With AJ back (hopefelly next week) this offense will be a lot more potent again. We should make the playoffs this year - but this is still a boderline-team. We just can`t overcome injuries to majory players.
 
LikeMike said:
The D played outstanding - the O didn`t. At one point this season our running game lost a step or 2. Schaub has a tendency to always be a tad off - a little high, little low... good WRs still catch those, but forget yards after catch if the ball is underthrown or overthrown.

This loss is not that bad - since it was one of the toughest games we play all season. With AJ back (hopefelly next week) this offense will be a lot more potent again. We should make the playoffs this year - but this is still a boderline-team. We just can`t overcome injuries to majory players.
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Much less to our best player. I know people always bring up the Packers but they actually kept their best player on the field.
 
badboy said:
Prior to the game how many points did you expect? I was expecting maybe 17. We were playing a good defense without Superman. Where did you se more than a play or two where player went soft?
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AJ is a great receiver but superman he ain't. Teams can win without their best players. Heck, one of my best memories of the Oilers was when we lost Pastorini, Burroughs and Earl Campbell and beat a really, really good Charger team in the playoffs in 79. All this rationalization and sunshine pumping is kinda pathetic if you ask me...but since your not asking I'll just add that to the end of this post.
 
Our D has played well enough for us to win games that we have loss...but I expect more from the offense...its tough to run on the Ravens, so you spread them out b/c they are not all that against the pass...I expected OD, Walter and whatever RB to spread the field underneath with JJ stretching the field. It happened a couple of times...I also understand that you have to run in order to keep defenses honest...the offense just doesn't seem to have that fire, the game had 4 or less minutes left and they were still acting like it was at leaset twice as much time left...go no huddle, change the pace, manage the freakin game!!!!
 
eriadoc said:
I'm with you on the first paragraph. Then you lost me. Everyone keeps telling me what a great offense the Texans have, and I even fall into the trap of thinking they're good sometimes. But when it really matters, when everyone doubts them, they confirm the doubts. They're good enough to show some stats after the game, but not good enough to dictate the pace of the game or even win most of the time .... or even half the time, if you count the last few years, or even five years.

Kubiak is a mediocre head coach and has built a mediocre team.
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Did you notrice I did not mention coach? Identify what you realistically expected to see from our O. without AJ. JJ was spectacular imo. OD and Walter did what I wanted. The oline could have been better but the opponent's defense was very good. Take emotion out of it and tell me what you saw? I think playcalling could have been much better and used the RBs a bit better.
 
badboy said:
KJ did not cost a TD (I don't think). He had the holding call but that can happen. He was only beat once I saw and that turned out to be Manning's not helping at least what announcer said. I never got a clear picture of the play.
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Can't blame Manning on that one. It was man coverage, Manning was on the TE that took the out route. KJ has to stay on top of that man, that's why he plays so far off the line. There's no excuse for him to let that receiver to get behind him like that.

I think we also blitzed on that play & the blitz didn't get there. But KJ has to be on top on that play.


I thought Demeco had a hell of a game, he's still not 100%, but he's getting there.
 
badboy said:
Prior to the game how many points did you expect? I was expecting maybe 17. We were playing a good defense without Superman. Where did you se more than a play or two where player went soft?
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Last year against the same D they did a tad better. It was the D that stunk. This year the D played pretty well overall, especially in the red zone, but the O didn't show up for the most part.

The soft comment refers to the mental part of the game. This team doesn't exhibit any mental fortitude at all. And while I expected a loss, it would be nice if this team could surprise me.... just once by beating a damn good team on the road under less than ideal circumstances.

If anyone is old enough to remember - I harken back to the days of Bum when he took his beat up team on the road in a playoff game against SD and he had to play Gifford "milk shake" Nielson for crying out loud. He had no Earl either and had other players out or hurt. Yet, that team was as mentally tough as a bucket of nails, and they willed their way to a W under incredible odds.

This team is about as mentally tough as the offspring of the Pillsbury Dough Boy and the Stay Puft Marshmallow man.
 
thunderkyss said:
Can't blame Manning on that one. It was man coverage, Manning was on the TE that took the out route. KJ has to stay on top of that man, that's why he plays so far off the line. There's no excuse for him to let that receiver to get behind him like that.

I think we also blitzed on that play & the blitz didn't get there. But KJ has to be on top on that play.


I thought Demeco had a hell of a game, he's still not 100%, but he's getting there.
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Yep.

Manning was man up on the te, the lb was in zone. Manning went with the out route, kj got roasted. . . Again. . .
 
Vinny said:
AJ is a great receiver but superman he ain't. Teams can win without their best players. Heck, one of my best memories of the Oilers was when we lost Pastorini, Burroughs and Earl Campbell and beat a really, really good Charger team in the playoffs in 79. All this rationalization and sunshine pumping is kinda pathetic if you ask me...but since your not asking I'll just add that to the end of this post.
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"Gotta spread the love..."

Props to you Vin for the Oiler memory.
 
ATXtexanfan said:
did we win, i got pee wee football to feel good about
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Then go watch it if a W is all you want. I do realize that we all are motivated differently. Sometimes the boy doesn't get the girl and I am ok with that if he did all he could. If you follow my posts you know I am not a koolaide guy or debby downer ( think those are the terms used.) I want to see good football against a quality opponent. Do you really think we would have lost to them if we had AJ and Mario? We are not that deep yet.
 
badboy said:
Did you notrice I did not mention coach? Identify what you realistically expected to see from our O. without AJ. JJ was spectacular imo. OD and Walter did what I wanted. The oline could have been better but the opponent's defense was very good. Take emotion out of it and tell me what you saw? I think playcalling could have been much better and used the RBs a bit better.
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Realistically? You want realism? LOL OK.

Frankly, about the only emotion I feel is resignation. What I saw today is just about exactly what I expected to see. An OL that would struggle to protect against a tough Ravens pass rush, a QB that has inadequate poise and pocket awareness, a running game that would struggle with no AJ to keep the safeties honest, and a coach that would fail to come up with a plan to overcome the loss of AJ.

Going forward, I expect to see a rebound game with some fire against the Tacks, and the sunshine club here to come out shining. I expect a follow-up win at JAX. I expect a 5-5 record going into the bye. I expect a 97 record to end the season. I expect a demoralizing playoff loss. I expect an extension for Gary Kubiak, and I expect that AJ will retire without a Super Bowl appearance unless he leaves here.

I also expect to watch every single play in frustration and disgust. But I figure after giving the Astros over 35 years of dedication with nothing to show for it, I may as well suffer through the same with the Texans. At least it's football.
 
badboy said:
First, I know it was a loss but didn't most of us expect it? I was very impressed with the overall defense. Reed, Barwin, Smith were excellent. I did not focus on Watt and don't remember him doing much, maybe someone else can help me out? ALso Demeco, I saw hoim make one good tackle but didn't impact game that I saw. Cushing was a man possessed and no one should say anything about this D without Mario. Williams would make it better but no one laid down. KJ did not cost a TD (I don't think). He had the holding call but that can happen. He was only beat once I saw and that turned out to be Manning's not helping at least what announcer said. I never got a clear picture of the play.

Offense looked better than I expected. I was worried about Briesel's ankle but did not seem to effect him much. A TE cost us a sack that hurt Matt and Schaub took a beating all game but hung in there. We need to get a QB soon to prepare to take over for Matt eventually. That may be Yates but difficult to say now. Positive upside is our recieving corps looked pretty good and we will be alright especially when AJ returns.

Jacoby was outstanding imo and all I can hope for is to see more of it. He is so inconsistent. THis game impressed me as I believe the team played four quarters and I wanted to see that. We are gonna be limping against you know who next week.
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LikeMike said:
The D played outstanding - the O didn`t. At one point this season our running game lost a step or 2. Schaub has a tendency to always be a tad off - a little high, little low... good WRs still catch those, but forget yards after catch if the ball is underthrown or overthrown.

This loss is not that bad - since it was one of the toughest games we play all season. With AJ back (hopefelly next week) this offense will be a lot more potent again. We should make the playoffs this year - but this is still a boderline-team. We just can`t overcome injuries to majory players.
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I'm with you guys.
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I saw some good in today's game, especially from the defense. Offensively, I'm not too surprised that the running game was diminished today. If I was the Ravens, knowing I didn't have to worry about Andre Johnson, that would have been my focus - do NOT let Foster get rolling. And that's what they did.
 
badboy said:
Do you really think we would have lost to them if we had AJ and Mario? We are not that deep yet.
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yes, you do know that Kubiak is 1-miserable against winning teams right? No past record indicating we should just assume a win, full roster or not.
 
Vinny said:
AJ is a great receiver but superman he ain't. Teams can win without their best players. Heck, one of my best memories of the Oilers was when we lost Pastorini, Burroughs and Earl Campbell and beat a really, really good Charger team in the playoffs in 79. All this rationalization and sunshine pumping is kinda pathetic if you ask me...but since your not asking I'll just add that to the end of this post.
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Vinny, I expect more out of you than calling me a sunshine pumper. Give specific players and plays that were atrocious. That Chargewr game was a jewel wasn't it? How many ties do you se that type of play from lower end players?

That team had Bum and we have Wade and only for 6 games. Let's give him a bit longer on his side of ball.
 
eriadoc said:
Realistically? You want realism? LOL OK.

Frankly, about the only emotion I feel is resignation. What I saw today is just about exactly what I expected to see. An OL that would struggle to protect against a tough Ravens pass rush, a QB that has inadequate poise and pocket awareness, a running game that would struggle with no AJ to keep the safeties honest, and a coach that would fail to come up with a plan to overcome the loss of AJ.

Going forward, I expect to see a rebound game with some fire against the Tacks, and the sunshine club here to come out shining. I expect a follow-up win at JAX. I expect a 5-5 record going into the bye. I expect a 97 record to end the season. I expect a demoralizing playoff loss. I expect an extension for Gary Kubiak, and I expect that AJ will retire without a Super Bowl appearance unless he leaves here.

I also expect to watch every single play in frustration and disgust. But I figure after giving the Astros over 35 years of dedication with nothing to show for it, I may as well suffer through the same with the Texans. At least it's football.
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Lol, would rep you if I wasn't on tapatalk.
 
The Ravens were simply a better team on both sides of the ball. Our D put us in position to win this game, but the offense didn't come through. I was really impressed with the d-line play despite not having MW back there. I think this team is going to have a real tough decision in the offseason on who to franchise tag. MW or Foster? I'm thinking Foster at this point...
 
thunderkyss said:
Can't blame Manning on that one. It was man coverage, Manning was on the TE that took the out route. KJ has to stay on top of that man, that's why he plays so far off the line. There's no excuse for him to let that receiver to get behind him like that.

I think we also blitzed on that play & the blitz didn't get there. But KJ has to be on top on that play.


I thought Demeco had a hell of a game, he's still not 100%, but he's getting there.
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Thanks for input as I did not see the play.
 
badboy said:
Vinny, I expect more out of you than calling me a sunshine pumper. Give specific players and plays that were atrocious. That Chargewr game was a jewel wasn't it? How many ties do you se that type of play from lower end players?

That team had Bum and we have Wade and only for 6 games. Let's give him a bit longer on his side of ball.
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you should expect me to speak my mind. Hate to say it pards, but you are a sunshine pumper. You were the guy who wanted the Texans to counter the Al Davis death with some low class moment for AJ. That's a homer moment, and this thread is all about pumping that sunshine. Don't be ashamed. You is what you be. It's not like I'm calling you a nazi or anything. :aggressive:
 
Porky said:
Last year against the same D they did a tad better. It was the D that stunk. This year the D played pretty well overall, especially in the red zone, but the O didn't show up for the most part.

The soft comment refers to the mental part of the game. This team doesn't exhibit any mental fortitude at all. And while I expected a loss, it would be nice if this team could surprise me.... just once by beating a damn good team on the road under less than ideal circumstances.

If anyone is old enough to remember - I harken back to the days of Bum when he took his beat up team on the road in a playoff game against SD and he had to play Gifford "milk shake" Nielson for crying out loud. He had no Earl either and had other players out or hurt. Yet, that team was as mentally tough as a bucket of nails, and they willed their way to a W under incredible odds.

This team is about as mentally tough as the offspring of the Pillsbury Dough Boy and the Stay Puft Marshmallow man.
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This comes down to Wade versus Gary imo. I pick Wade.
 
Vinny said:
AJ is a great receiver but superman he ain't. Teams can win without their best players. Heck, one of my best memories of the Oilers was when we lost Pastorini, Burroughs and Earl Campbell and beat a really, really good Charger team in the playoffs in 79. All this rationalization and sunshine pumping is kinda pathetic if you ask me...but since your not asking I'll just add that to the end of this post.
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I remember that game too. We caught Dan Fouts on an off day and picked off him five times to steal that win.
 
Vinny said:
yes, you do know that Kubiak is 1-miserable against winning teams right? No past record indicating we should just assume a win, full roster or not.
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I do not focus much on those 1-18 thinggys. I look at what happened in the game and try to project how the best offensive player and one of the better defensive players being in this game would have changed it.
 
Dutchrudder said:
The Ravens were simply a better team on both sides of the ball. Our D put us in position to win this game, but the offense didn't come through. I was really impressed with the d-line play despite not having MW back there. I think this team is going to have a real tough decision in the offseason on who to franchise tag. MW or Foster? I'm thinking Foster at this point...
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Mario can be tagged but I don't think Foster can. A player has to have four years with team I beleive and he does not. Foster remains a player with Texans and cannot negotiate with other teams unless Texans allow. Infantrycak, Hook'em and others probably can answer this.
 
Vinny said:
you should expect me to speak my mind. Hate to say it pards, but you are a sunshine pumper. You were the guy who wanted the Texans to counter the Al Davis death with some low class moment for AJ. That's a homer moment, and this thread is all about pumping that sunshine. Don't be ashamed. You is what you be. It's not like I'm calling you a nazi or anything. :aggressive:
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Yes you are! Yes you are! lol
 
badboy said:
I do not focus much on those 1-18 thinggys. I look at what happened in the game and try to project how the best offensive player and one of the better defensive players being in this game would have changed it.
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It sounds as if you'd rather live in some fantasy what-if land than face what this team is; pathetic against winning football teams.
 
Dishman said:
It sounds as if you'd rather live in some fantasy what-if land than face what this team is; pathetic against winning football teams.
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It sounds like you throw salt over your shoulder, avoid black cats and wear "good luck talismans". Stats are an indicator of what has happened not necessarily what will occur. Some harvest them. I do not choose to.
 
Vinny said:
yes, you do know that Kubiak is 1-miserable against winning teams right? No past record indicating we should just assume a win, full roster or not.
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badboy said:
I do not focus much on those 1-18 thinggys.
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you are right not to focus on reality. It's an easier plan than sincere reflection I guess.

badboy said:
I look at what happened in the game and try to project how the best offensive player and one of the better defensive players being in this game would have changed it.
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We'd have lost by only 7?
 
Vinny said:
AJ is a great receiver but superman he ain't. Teams can win without their best players. Heck, one of my best memories of the Oilers was when we lost Pastorini, Burroughs and Earl Campbell and beat a really, really good Charger team in the playoffs in 79. All this rationalization and sunshine pumping is kinda pathetic if you ask me...but since your not asking I'll just add that to the end of this post.
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A one off game. Great try though, I mean, that's really comparable to a full season.
 
ObsiWan said:
I remember that game too. We caught Dan Fouts on an off day and picked off him five times to steal that win.
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Not exactly.

The truth is the Oilers coaches figured out how to steal the Chargers' offensive plays as they were being called in from the sidelines.

The Oilers defense knew the Chargers plays before the ball was snapped.

I think Vernon Perry still holds a personal playoff record with 4 interceptions in a playoff victory.

Some folks call that cheating.

I had no complaints that day.
 
TexansFanatic said:
Not exactly.

The truth is the Oilers coaches figured out how to steal the Chargers' offensive plays as they were being called in from the sidelines.

The Oilers defense knew the Chargers plays before the ball was snapped.

I think Vernon Perry still holds a personal playoff record with 4 interceptions in a playoff victory.

Some folks call that cheating.

I had no complaints that day.
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Damn, don't ruin it for Vinny! Now his underdog heroes have been exposed as cheats, oh dear...
 
Surreal McCoy said:
A one off game. Great try though, I mean, that's really comparable to a full season.
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that's called an example Einstein. There are countless examples of teams winning while their better or best players are down. This is the only team sport with 22 men on the field of play at once. One player is important, but it's not like losing a key player on a 5 player basketball team.
 
Vinny said:
that's called an example Einstein. There are countless examples of teams winning while their better or best players are down. This is the only team sport with 22 men on the field of play at once. One player is important, but it's not like losing a key player on a 5 player basketball team.
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Sincerely, the 2011 Indianapolis Colts
 
Surreal McCoy said:
Damn, don't ruin it for Vinny! Now his underdog heroes have been exposed as cheats, oh dear...
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I know more about the NFL and the NFL past than you probably think. I've been going to games since the 70's and I actually moved to Nashville with the Oilers back in the day due to my work. I'm sure you can't help your naive disposition, so I won't hold it against you.
 
Surreal McCoy said:
Sincerely, the 2011 Indianapolis Colts
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What about multiple key players and winning a SB...

Signed
2010 Green Bay Packers

No excuses. As this stage, they should have had other guys in place for this dilemma or at least to keep it from getting to this. You knew AJ was important for years so you build depth. They haven't.
 
Surreal McCoy said:
Sincerely, the 2011 Indianapolis Colts
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you know, the Dolphins actually won the Super Bowl with a back up quarterback right? HOF'er Bob Griese's ankle was broken in Week 5 and they went on to go undefeated. There are hundreds of examples, but you are too smart and cute to open your eyes. Keep taking the blue pill. It suits you.
 
Surreal McCoy said:
Sincerely, the 2011 Indianapolis Colts
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Wed have to have a player of mannings caliber to lose a player of mannings caliber.

Since we don't have one of those I dont get the comparison.

And losing manning isn't exactly an excuse for how bad the colts are either.
 
This might be a WTF for some of you, but didn't it seem like our guys quit on that last drive? Didn't it also seem like the coach did too with calling a running play on 4th down when we were down by two scores? Just threw in the towel.

Maybe all of the failed 4th quarter comebacks are starting to really effect the teams psyche. What ever happened to leaving it all on the field?
 
Rey said:
Yep.

Manning was man up on the te, the lb was in zone. Manning went with the out route, kj got roasted. . . Again. . .
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did anyone see allen, i mean even one play ??? He atleast gets us a turnover more times than not.
 
Vinny said:
There are hundreds of examples...
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Grasping. Straws. At.

Make a sentence including those three words. And by the way, I must admit being well impressed with your move to Nashville.

As for the 2010 Packers, they certainly didn't lose anyone near the importance of AJ or Mario. but of course, that's not the point...
 
HoustonFrog said:
What about multiple key players and winning a SB...

Signed
2010 Green Bay Packers

No excuses. As this stage, they should have had other guys in place for this dilemma or at least to keep it from getting to this. You knew AJ was important for years so you build depth. They haven't.
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Again, they didn't win their division and they got all those "key players" back in time for their playoff run.

Tell the whole story.
 
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