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The National Speculation Begins

Vinny

Vinny

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John Clayton tosses Bill Cowher, Jon Gruden and Jeff Fisher's names out there after the disappointing loss to the Raiders.
Here are five things I learned from Week 5:

1. Troubling losses for coaches: Once again, the Houston Texans and Gary Kubiak came up short in a close game, this time against the Raiders. Losing close games has been a staple of the Texans under Kubiak. Starting last November, the Texans finished a disappointing 6-10 season by losing five games that were decided by seven points or fewer. They blew a nine-point lead earlier this year in New Orleans, and Sunday's loss to the Raiders was even more frustrating. During Kubiak's coaching career, the Texans are 20-24 in close games.

The Texans jumped to a 14-6 lead by the second quarter, but the offense went cold late in the first half. Things started falling apart when QB Matt Schaub had a second-and-1 at the Raiders' 37-yard line, managed only two incompletions and Houston ended up punting and getting no points. The Texans followed with three worthless possessions in their own territory, giving the Raiders a chance to come back.

Wade Phillips came in as defensive coordinator and has shaved 7.7 points a game off what Houston's defense allowed last year. But what's amazing is that the Texans, considered the AFC South's front-runner with the Colts' Peyton Manning not playing, have been outscored 24-6 in the third quarter this season. If the Texans lose the division to the Tennessee Titans, owner Bob McNair might be tempted to bring in Bill Cowher, Jon Gruden or Jeff Fisher next year.
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Wow, that didn't take long. I wonder if they see this three game losing streak we're working on & think better of McNair to live through that again without doing something.
 
No AJ , No MW .... a game dominated by the Raiders DL .... and the Texans were a missed FG by Rackers away from winning 26-25 instead of losing 25-20 ..... but lets blame Kubiak.
 
Corrosion said:
No AJ , No MW .... a game dominated by the Raiders DL .... and the Texans were a missed FG by Rackers away from winning 26-25 instead of losing 25-20 ..... but lets blame Kubiak.
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Losing to the Raiders at home...something playoff teams really shouldn't do. probably

The Packers seemed to do OK last year after missing key players. I'm not calling this team the Packers, but I didn't see those guys making any excuses. All they did was step up and win.
 
That's it, it's over pack it in boys. The fat lady has sung its all over five games in to the season. We've lost to a top five team in the Saints, and an up and coming inspired team, wow we outta just give up now.


This is F-ing B*llsh*t, we are five games in to the season, if the season were over right now with our winning percentage we'd be 10 and 6, so until we are 5 and 7 I'm not gonna panic.

COME ON MAN!!! These pundits are douche nozzles.
 
Ask Bob McNair if he really cares what John Clayton tosses out.
 
The coaching change speculation goes hand in hand with the playoff speculation. Each year we are picked to make the playoffs, and each year we are expected to make a coaching. Just the media being the media. Picking both sides so they can be right 100% and say I told you so.
 
Still too early for this speculation. I mean, we havent even had the yearly 3 game losing streak or hit the yearly 5-7 mark yet!
 
Corrosion said:
No AJ , No MW .... a game dominated by the Raiders DL .... and the Texans were a missed FG by Rackers away from winning 26-25 instead of losing 25-20 ..... but lets blame Kubiak.
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Doesn't make much sense, does it?
 
Corrosion said:
No AJ , No MW .... a game dominated by the Raiders DL .... and the Texans were a missed FG by Rackers away from winning 26-25 instead of losing 25-20 ..... but lets blame Kubiak.
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You're right...lets re-sign him to a life long contract. After all when you're a head coach in the national football league who in their right mind actually cares about on the field results. Nothing is ever his fault.

This goes beyond the Raiders game, it's his knack that no matter what happens with this team, they always find a way to lose games instead of finding ways to win them and in this league you're judged by wins only. Fair or not. Injuries aren't a excuse for him.
 
BoBBY will never fire his illegitimate son Gary.

If he did Wades his man. I'm sure BoBBy promised that to Bum if he would schill for Gary last yr.
 
Corrosion said:
No AJ , No MW .... a game dominated by the Raiders DL .... and the Texans were a missed FG by Rackers away from winning 26-25 instead of losing 25-20 ..... but lets blame Kubiak.
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and the Defense held the Raiders to under 200 passing and McFadden to 51 yards rushing.
 
I can't wait for Cowher to show up here. I give it about a season and a half before you guys claim you never wanted him.

At least at that point we won't further suffer the Cowher cult of personality as he will be brutally exposed without a world class GM like he had in Pitt.
 
Why do fans want McNair to hold onto Kubiak so bad? So many teams in the NFL have changed regimes and have had much more success than Kubiak can ever dream of. The team is the same as always. Raiders game showed a lot.
 
All you do is have to look at my avatar to know where I stand. I haven't changed it all year long for a reason. When you can show me a leopard that suddenly changes it's spots, I will remove it.

As it stands, Kubes is what he is and the team is his. We are 3-3 after next week, and going on the road to a hungry team that has Munchak as HC, a guy I admire and respect greatly, and he will have those guys ready to play. All the sudden we are looking at 3-4 and in yet another death spiral. Not predicting that YET, but I am saying its a possibility.

The one saving grace is the defense is pretty damn good this year. We'll see what Wade can do without Mario. That is a huge blow.

And I also agree with whomever said it's Wade's team. Bob Mcnair's idea of making a big splash is doing a cannonball off the diving board at his mansion. :kitten:
 
I'm actually surprised someone didn't beat me to my own "Go To Post":::

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Y'all are becoming slackers......... WTF????
 
I really don't know what to believe anymore.

I just watched my first game in Reliant, and I knew by the start of the 2nd quarter that it was going to end badly. I swear to goodness I did. When my wife and everybody else is standing and cheering for Quarters 2, 3, and 4...and I'm sitting there like I'm at my workplace computer watching someone rob my house via my Internet-connected security cameras....well, I just sat there and wondered HOW it was going to happen. Not IF. HOW.

The Raiders adjusted. Period. They got HAMMERED by our defense in Quarter 1, and then it clicked in their head: Just kick field goals; the Texans will crumble under the pressure. And that's what they did. They made sure they did just enough to nickel and dime their way into FG range for The Janitor. Bang. Did it again. Bang. Bang. Bang. I think he had 4 FGs. 12 points, IIRC. You might survive one gunshot to the body. But four? Nope.

Our guy didn't adjust. He kept trying to run on an 8-man front. His only success with Arian Foster was to use the swing pass to Arian. It worked beautifully two times, and we needed more of that.

Our guy didn't have a designed play to target Foster or OD with 7 seconds left in the game. You always put your QB in position to have those superstars get the ball. It's what they do. If THAT play isn't there, throw it away and get one more shot. Simple.

I won't hang this on an injury to Mario. Nor on Vickers dropping a sure TD, since there were so many other things (for both teams) that impacted the game.

One coach find a way to win. Another found a way to lose.

(Sigh)

I am not happy. My current status is: Pissed off at the coaching and/or lack of in-game adjustments. Inability to beat a team like the Raiders in our own house. Kubiak is jinxed, IMO. And then we've got Wade Phillips waiting in the wings IF he gets axed. Yay. It is such a kick in the nuts to be a fan of this team.
 
Surreal McCoy said:
I can't wait for Cowher to show up here. I give it about a season and a half before you guys claim you never wanted him.

At least at that point we won't further suffer the Cowher cult of personality as he will be brutally exposed without a world class GM like he had in Pitt.
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I'll tell you right now I never wanted him. I don't like any of the names mentioned so far.
 
GP said:
I really don't know what to believe anymore.

I just watched my first game in Reliant, and I knew by the start of the 2nd quarter that it was going to end badly. I swear to goodness I did. When my wife and everybody else is standing and cheering for Quarters 2, 3, and 4...and I'm sitting there like I'm at my workplace computer watching someone rob my house via my Internet-connected security cameras....well, I just sat there and wondered HOW it was going to happen. Not IF. HOW.

The Raiders adjusted. Period. They got HAMMERED by our defense in Quarter 1, and then it clicked in their head: Just kick field goals; the Texans will crumble under the pressure. And that's what they did. They made sure they did just enough to nickel and dime their way into FG range for The Janitor. Bang. Did it again. Bang. Bang. Bang. I think he had 4 FGs. 12 points, IIRC. You might survive one gunshot to the body. But four? Nope.

Our guy didn't adjust. He kept trying to run on an 8-man front. His only success with Arian Foster was to use the swing pass to Arian. It worked beautifully two times, and we needed more of that.

Our guy didn't have a designed play to target Foster or OD with 7 seconds left in the game. You always put your QB in position to have those superstars get the ball. It's what they do. If THAT play isn't there, throw it away and get one more shot. Simple.

I won't hang this on an injury to Mario. Nor on Vickers dropping a sure TD, since there were so many other things (for both teams) that impacted the game.

One coach find a way to win. Another found a way to lose.

(Sigh)

I am not happy. My current status is: Pissed off at the coaching and/or lack of in-game adjustments. Inability to beat a team like the Raiders in our own house. Kubiak is jinxed, IMO. And then we've got Wade Phillips waiting in the wings IF he gets axed. Yay. It is such a kick in the nuts to be a fan of this team.
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Yeah great...... Whatever....... **** OFF!!!!


How were your accomadations, the food, restaurants, the people.... H-Town rocked, no?? The football team, not so much!!

SMH!!! :pirate:
 
Marcus said:
Ask Bob McNair if he really cares what John Clayton tosses out.
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Ask Bob McNair if he knows what a playoff game looks like.

Surreal McCoy said:
I can't wait for Cowher to show up here.
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I knew we would eventually agree on something.
Texan_Bill said:
I'm actually surprised someone didn't beat me to my own "Go To Post"
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No one wants to deprive you of your moment.

There's "national speculation" because even outsiders can see the Texans falling into the same .500 rut. I don't know about 5-7 this year. It has more of 6-6 feel to me. Which will probably "earn" Kubiak an extension. Maybe he can fire the offensive coordinator and the special teams coach, this time? We know it's never Gary's fault.
 
Carr Bombed said:
You're right...lets re-sign him to a life long contract. After all when you're a head coach in the national football league who in their right mind actually cares about on the field results. Nothing is ever his fault.
This goes beyond the Raiders game, it's his knack that no matter what happens with this team, they always find a way to lose games instead of finding ways to win them and in this league you're judged by wins only. Fair or not. Injuries aren't a excuse for him.
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Im not making excuses for Kubiak , just pointing out that had Rackers made that FG he missed ..... they dont have to score a TD to win , they had a gimmie range FG that would have won the game.

You cant blame everything on the coach and everyone looks for a scapegoat after each and every loss ..... **** , they are 3-2 and tied for the division lead .... you want to blame someone , blame Rackers for his missed FG or Vickers for dropping a ball that hit him in the hands with no one within 10 yards of him ....

Games in the NFL are decided by one or two plays .... go back and think about the two plays that had the most impact.
 
GP said:
Our guy didn't have a designed play to target Foster or OD with 7 seconds left in the game. You always put your QB in position to have those superstars get the ball.
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The play was designed to go to the right but Schaub got flushed left and had to ad lib.
 
utahmark said:
We make the playoff's, he stays. We miss the playoff's, he goes. No use cramping up your fingers typing about it untill one of those things happens.
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Texan_Bill said:
Yeah great...... Whatever....... **** OFF!!!!


How were your accomadations, the food, restaurants, the people.... H-Town rocked, no?? The football team, not so much!!

SMH!!! :pirate:
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Now, now, there's more than a few grains of truth in his analysis. No AJ, no MW, but this game was WINNABLE. The QB and the HC didn't show up when it counted.
 
infantrycak said:
The play was designed to go to the right but Schaub got flushed left and had to ad lib.
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Yep , just another play where the Raiders DL was the decising factor ..... forcing Schaub away from his first and second reads .... only to have to look for JJ.
I also thought after re-watching that play several times that JJ could have given Schaub a better look by breaking tward the back pylon rather than coming back across the field with the defender playing under ....


I dont know why its so hard to give the other guy his due .... do we have to over criticize every loss like this ?

Damn Raiders DL was downright dominant , they deserved to win the game.
 
Corrosion said:
No AJ , No MW .... a game dominated by the Raiders DL .... and the Texans were a missed FG by Rackers away from winning 26-25 instead of losing 25-20 ..... but lets blame Kubiak.
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Dude, it's Gary's machine. He built it. If it's not deep enough in places, can't overcome injuries, can't make adjustments or execute the game plan then who do you turn to?

The man has had 6 drafts to build this thing. He's had three defensive coordinators, I've lost count of how many offensive coordinators, and a number of highly regarded assistants (Gibbs, Rhodes, Sherman). The road to .500 is right in front of us.... again....

It's his. For better or worse it's his. It's past time for Gary to join the ranks of "them that's been fired". He's been a member of "them that's gonna get fired" long enough.
 
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Corrosion said:
Damn Raiders DL was downright dominant , they deserved to win the game.
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The Texans defense wasn't just as dominant? They held the league's leading rusher to 51 yards and didn't allow a 1st down for the opening 28 minutes of the game. They didn't deserve the win?

Look, the speculation isn't due to single loss. It's a result of a 6 year career filled with losses like this one.
 
Corrosion said:
Yep , just another play where the Raiders DL was the decising factor ..... forcing Schaub away from his first and second reads .... only to have to look for JJ.
I also thought after re-watching that play several times that JJ could have given Schaub a better look by breaking tward the back pylon rather than coming back across the field with the defender playing under ....


I dont know why its so hard to give the other guy his due .... do we have to over criticize every loss like this ?

Damn Raiders DL was downright dominant , they deserved to win the game.
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So with the game on the line, the DB playing under, we blame the WR for the QB trying to throw a ball through the defender?

Look, all kinds of goofy **** happened in that game. But when the clock hit 0:00, the ball was in the QBs hands. Forget the missed field goals, forget the wasted time-outs, forget the 10 yard cushions.. it comes down to that moment.

Our QB decided to try to throw a ball through a defender & we blame Jacoby?

Had Matt Lobed it up over the pylon for Jacoby to go get it, I could agree with you. Had Schaub tried to lob it over the defender for Jacoby to jump or have a fighting chance at... I could agree with you.

But you said yourself, there was a defender between JJ & Matt & he shot putted it straight at the defender expecting Jacoby to do what? play through him? Jump over him? There aren't really any options for JJ when the ball is hovering in the air on the other side of a defender.

& if you watched that play.. repeatedly, you'd have seen that the DB was not playing "under" He was on top of Jacoby in the back of the endzone after Jacoby pushed him up there... when Matt started running, Jacoby runs back to him, towards the front of the endzone. There is no one between Matt & Jacoby. He gets to the front of the endzone & breaks to Matt's right, as Matt breaks to his left. The ball is still in Matt's hands for some reason. Jacoby backpedals to the back of the endzone when the defender finally cuts in front of him... probably expecting a lob.

Everything you're saying Jacoby "should have done" he did. The ball didn't leave Matt's hand until Jacoby was out of position for the optimum play. & when it did, Matt put the ball in the one place he should have known not to put the ball.
 
Matt thought "Jacoby's fast.... like The Flash! He can vibrate his molecules at a high rate of speed and reach through Huff, catching the ball, then vibrating it's molecules allowing him to pull it in through Huff's torso! I don't think that's a penalty..... is it?"

then he threw the ball because time was out and he thought Jacoby's super powers would kick in and resolve everything in a satisfactory manner.

Simple mistake. Anybody could have made it.
 
Vinny said:
Losing to the Raiders at home...something playoff teams really shouldn't do. probably

The Packers seemed to do OK last year after missing key players. I'm not calling this team the Packers, but I didn't see those guys making any excuses. All they did was step up and win.
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They did lose 6 regular season games, including a home loss to the Dolphins.
 
Let me just put this out there...

Kubiak could be on the brink of losing this team. Everyone knows that it's playoffs or the door for Kubiak. If we get blown out in Baltimore, this promising season could start getting ugly. The Baltimore game could be Kubiak's most important game of his career. A win revitalizes a fanbase and personnel. A loss could cast doubts in the locker room.

Either:
Will Kubiak ever lead us to an improvable victory? Are we snake-bitten? 2010 all over again?

Or..

We can win these tough, grind it out road games. We can be a playoff team. We can do this.

I really think that in February, we will look at the Baltimore game as either saving Kubiak's job or as the beginning of the end for him. Considering his track record, this won't end well. JMO.
 
BSofA04 said:
Let me just put this out there...

Kubiak could be on the brink of losing this team. Everyone knows that it's playoffs or the door for Kubiak. If we get blown out in Baltimore, this promising season could start getting ugly. The Baltimore game could be Kubiak's most important game of his career. A win revitalizes a fanbase and personnel. A loss could cast doubts in the locker room.

I really think that in February, we will look at the Baltimore game as either saving Kubiak's job or as the beginning of the end for him. Considering his track record, this won't end well. JMO.
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I think if he loses his job the Oakland game will be the beginning of the end. The Baltimore game will just be another ass beating along the way to the unemployment line.
 
Still wonder what would have happened if the Giants punter had kicked it out of bounds.

The Packers would have missed the playoffs, maybe shook it up, and now would not be the dominating team they are.
 
BSofA04 said:
Let me just put this out there...

Kubiak could be on the brink of losing this team. Everyone knows that it's playoffs or the door for Kubiak. If we get blown out in Baltimore, this promising season could start getting ugly. The Baltimore game could be Kubiak's most important game of his career. A win revitalizes a fanbase and personnel. A loss could cast doubts in the locker room.

Will Kubiak ever lead us to an improvable victory? Are we snake-bitten? 2010 all over again? OR..

We can win these tough, grind it out road games. We can be a playoff team. We can do this.

I really think that in February, we will look at the Baltimore game as either saving Kubiak's job or as the beginning of the end for him. Considering his track record, this won't end well. JMO.
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Nah. These guys really love Kubak. They won't ever quit on him. The issue has been Kubiak's game management, talent scouting and overall coaching.
 
houstonspartan said:
Nah. These guys really love Kubak. They won't ever quit on him. The issue has been Kubiak's game management, talent scouting and overall coaching.
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Another close loss and it's easy to imagine that 2010 will be in the back of their minds. Next thing to go is their confidence. Take that away, and we're a team full of Kareem Jacksons.
 
given the injuries anx how raiders been playin. It was pretty much a toss up as to who would win. I think i might have said as much on here. We lost due to sub terrible line play plain and simple don't read too much into one loss we will have plenty of time ro discuss the losses at the end of the season. 3-2 is about ehat i expected even before knowing whether mario would work out as an olb. I still got us at 11-5 easily making the playoffs.
 
80tothezone said:
given the injuries anx how raiders been playin. It was pretty much a toss up as to who would win. I think i might have said as much on here. We lost due to sub terrible line play plain and simple don't read too much into one loss we will have plenty of time ro discuss the losses at the end of the season. 3-2 is about ehat i expected even before knowing whether mario would work out as an olb. I still got us at 11-5 easily making the playoffs.
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I don't see how this team is going to go 9-3 without Mario and AJ. Every single year it happens....once teams get the Texans on film for a few games Kubiak's offense always seems to suffer in clutch situations right around now. It's like clockwork.
 
The likelihood of Kubes getting fired is slim, and if he does, Wade would be the most likely replacement. There is no way that Bob would get rid of Wade, and any new HC would likely want to bring in their own guys, wouldn't they? Sadly, I think this coaching staff is here for the long haul.
 
BSofA04 said:
Let me just put this out there...

Kubiak could be on the brink of losing this team. Everyone knows that it's playoffs or the door for Kubiak. If we get blown out in Baltimore, this promising season could start getting ugly. The Baltimore game could be Kubiak's most important game of his career. A win revitalizes a fanbase and personnel. A loss could cast doubts in the locker room.

Either:
Will Kubiak ever lead us to an improvable victory? Are we snake-bitten? 2010 all over again?

Or..

We can win these tough, grind it out road games. We can be a playoff team. We can do this.

I really think that in February, we will look at the Baltimore game as either saving Kubiak's job or as the beginning of the end for him. Considering his track record, this won't end well. JMO.
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If Kubiak does indeed get fired, the Baltimore game wouldn't be viewed as the beginning of the end for him. That most likely happened somewhere in 2009.
 
TheMatrix31 said:
If Kubiak does indeed get fired, the Baltimore game wouldn't be viewed as the beginning of the end for him. That most likely happened somewhere in 2009.
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You know, Kubiak received an extension after the 2009 season.
 
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