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As much as I like a WR in first round two things are developing. One is the guy I want Jeff Fuller is not playing to my expectations. Second, Walter and Jacoby Jones seem to be holding WR2 down as they did last season so I am not as eager to burn a first on this position.

As of now, cornerback has been forced onto the front burner. KJ is not doing as well under Phillips' regime as I had hope but is reverting back to his rookie year. I had hoped that Harris or McMannis would have beaten out either Jackson or Allen & I have no insight as to why Brandon Harris is hugging the bench. I think an elite left tackle would move Brown to RT and in turn Winston to either RG or backup. Unfortunately. I don't see one where I anticipate Texans to draft nor a real good RG either. Anyways, here is my draft for 2012 picking at #25.

1. Cover corner and there are several I am researching including Jayron Hosely and Eddie Whitley (FS/CB) both from Virginia Tech, Coryell Judie (Texas A&M & did not play in 1 point loss against OSU), Janoris Jenkins Alabama, Claiborne from LSU and Dennard from Nebraska.
2. ILB Dont'a Hightower Alabama
3. NT Dontari Poe Memphis
4. LT or OG
5. SS/FS/CB Winston Guy Kentucky (team sucks but he has played pretty well last 2 seasons)
 
CB takes time to learn.

KJ may not have it, but Brandon Harris might. McCain might... McMannis might.

I say we stick with the game plan & move on from CB... if anything, get me another vet in FA.

From the draft, I want another WR.... a RT (or a LT so we can move Duane Brown) or a RG
 
badboy said:
As much as I like a WR in first round two things are developing. One is the guy I want Jeff Fuller is not playing to my expectations. Second, Walter and Jacoby Jones seem to be holding WR2 down as they did last season so I am not as eager to burn a first on this position.

As of now, cornerback has been forced onto the front burner. KJ is not doing as well under Phillips' regime as I had hope but is reverting back to his rookie year. I had hoped that Harris or McMannis would have beaten out either Jackson or Allen & I have no insight as to why Brandon Harris is hugging the bench. I think an elite left tackle would move Brown to RT and in turn Winston to either RG or backup. Unfortunately. I don't see one where I anticipate Texans to draft nor a real good RG either. Anyways, here is my draft for 2012 picking at #25.

1. Cover corner and there are several I am researching including Jayron Hosely and Eddie Whitley (FS/CB) both from Virginia Tech, Coryell Judie (Texas A&M & did not play in 1 point loss against OSU), Janoris Jenkins Alabama, Claiborne from LSU and Dennard from Nebraska.
2. ILB Dont'a Hightower Alabama
3. NT Dontari Poe Memphis
4. LT or OG
5. SS/FS/CB Winston Guy Kentucky (team sucks but he has played pretty well last 2 seasons)
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Nice thoughts. Here are my thoughts. Right now, I am thinking we have invested a lot in CB and need to see what we have. We just got Joseph who moved eveyone down one slot. We just drafted Harris and Roc. Let's see what they can do before we get more high end CBs. In retrospect we did nothing about a stud NT. More pass rushers for the 3-4 and a solid to above average ILB to replace Meco would be great.


I think the way you beat an elite QB, is to put silly pressure on the QB. Watt looks good and Smith seems to be doing fine. The problem we have is that our NT Cody isn't putting enough pressure. I say go get a Big NT who can move and play 1 gap.

1. Alameda Ta'amu, NT, Washington
Big strong 330+ lb NT who has good feet and can move. Reminds me of Jamal Williams. He is a large 1 gap NT who can penetrate and is still stout enough to play the run. Put this behomouth on the line and suddenly you have a strong internal push.

2. Courtney Upshaw, OLB, Alabama/Brandon Lindsey, OLB, Pittsburgh
More pressure. I know we have Mario, Barwin, and Reed, but more pass rushers is the key to the 3-4. Having tons of pass rushers means Wade can come up with more exotic blitz packages.


3. Dont'a Hightower, ILB, Alabama
Demeco is struggling due to injuries. I think Hightower is an immediate upgrade and helps our D tremendously.
 
thunderkyss said:
CB takes time to learn.

KJ may not have it, but Brandon Harris might. McCain might... McMannis might.

I say we stick with the game plan & move on from CB... if anything, get me another vet in FA.

From the draft, I want another WR.... a RT (or a LT so we can move Duane Brown) or a RG
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Duane Brown is by far the best olinemen not named Myers on our roster. He is a LT that most teams would love to have. Not moving him anywhere.

Right tackle could use upgrading, but I would love a stud WR to team with AJ.

Doppelganger said:
Nice thoughts. Here are my thoughts. Right now, I am thinking we have invested a lot in CB and need to see what we have. We just got Joseph who moved eveyone down one slot. We just drafted Harris and Roc. Let's see what they can do before we get more high end CBs. In retrospect we did nothing about a stud NT. More pass rushers for the 3-4 and a solid to above average ILB to replace Meco would be great.


I think the way you beat an elite QB, is to put silly pressure on the QB. Watt looks good and Smith seems to be doing fine. The problem we have is that our NT Cody isn't putting enough pressure. I say go get a Big NT who can move and play 1 gap.

1. Alameda Ta'amu, NT, Washington
Big strong 330+ lb NT who has good feet and can move. Reminds me of Jamal Williams. He is a large 1 gap NT who can penetrate and is still stout enough to play the run. Put this behomouth on the line and suddenly you have a strong internal push.

2. Courtney Upshaw, OLB, Alabama/Brandon Lindsey, OLB, Pittsburgh
More pressure. I know we have Mario, Barwin, and Reed, but more pass rushers is the key to the 3-4. Having tons of pass rushers means Wade can come up with more exotic blitz packages.


3. Dont'a Hightower, ILB, Alabama
Demeco is struggling due to injuries. I think Hightower is an immediate upgrade and helps our D tremendously.
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Eventually, offense needs some attention. WR, guard, RT, qb.
 
Texans need a red-zone weapon to compliment who they currently have on the roster. WR to help Andre is a strong possibility, Johnson is being bracketed almost every play & while still effective to some degree, imagine if defenses had to account for a viable 1a/2 WR? Oklahoma WR Ryan Broyles would fit Kubiaks system instantly, he has been very productive in the red-zone over extended time with 39TD's. RB is also a need to score TD's in the red-zone. Tate has filled in admirably for Foster while he recovers, getting him back will make a huge difference but depth is a problem. Texans could dump Slaton & Ward by selecting a high pick @ RB. LaMichael James comes to mind, not so much he just rushed for 288 yards against Arizona but he knows how to find the end zone (47 times). Even QB is possible although the least likely. I like that Kellen Moore kid from Boise State, he is in the Drew Brees mold, undersized good pocket mobility/presence, very accurate and productive with 111 TD's so far in his College career.

Point is all options need to remain open to add another peice to the puzzle offensively to score @ a higher proficiency in the red-zone. As mentioned Texans have invested heavily in their secondary already, I would expect things to work themselves out by next draft so CB becomes less suspect.
 
thunderkyss said:
CB takes time to learn.

KJ may not have it, but Brandon Harris might. McCain might... McMannis might.

I say we stick with the game plan & move on from CB... if anything, get me another vet in FA.

From the draft, I want another WR.... a RT (or a LT so we can move Duane Brown) or a RG
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We don't have time to wait for one of these guys to develop. I think Harris can start, Phillips does not. IMO we got very fortunate in free agency landing two excellent players. It could happen again next season with CB but we better be looking for lightning to hit at NT and Oline in free agency.
 
Doppelganger said:
Nice thoughts. Here are my thoughts. Right now, I am thinking we have invested a lot in CB and need to see what we have. We just got Joseph who moved eveyone down one slot. We just drafted Harris and Roc. Let's see what they can do before we get more high end CBs. In retrospect we did nothing about a stud NT. More pass rushers for the 3-4 and a solid to above average ILB to replace Meco would be great.


I think the way you beat an elite QB, is to put silly pressure on the QB. Watt looks good and Smith seems to be doing fine. The problem we have is that our NT Cody isn't putting enough pressure. I say go get a Big NT who can move and play 1 gap.

1. Alameda Ta'amu, NT, Washington
Big strong 330+ lb NT who has good feet and can move. Reminds me of Jamal Williams. He is a large 1 gap NT who can penetrate and is still stout enough to play the run. Put this behomouth on the line and suddenly you have a strong internal push.

2. Courtney Upshaw, OLB, Alabama/Brandon Lindsey, OLB, Pittsburgh
More pressure. I know we have Mario, Barwin, and Reed, but more pass rushers is the key to the 3-4. Having tons of pass rushers means Wade can come up with more exotic blitz packages.


3. Dont'a Hightower, ILB, Alabama
Demeco is struggling due to injuries. I think Hightower is an immediate upgrade and helps our D tremendously.
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Good post! We have invested a lot on Dline but drafted one first round anyway but I understand your point. We drafted Harris who cannot get on field and Carmichael who is on IR. Want to wait another year and hope we got it right with one of them? Not me. Our first two pick Watt and Reed were to shore up the rush but you want another? Do you see how you seem to be contradicting your point on CBs?

Ta'amu was on my board but my mock draft partner RMartin 65 said he has looked pathetic so I have switched to Dontari Poe NT Memphis in 3rd.
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings
http://www.gotigersgo.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/poe_dontari01.html

I like Upshaw but feel we are set at OLB unless Mario goes.

Hightower is my 2nd round pick.
 
badboy said:
Good post! We have invested a lot on Dline but drafted one first round anyway but I understand your point. We drafted Harris who cannot get on field and Carmichael who is on IR. Want to wait another year and hope we got it right with one of them? Not me. Our first two pick Watt and Reed were to shore up the rush but you want another? Do you see how you seem to be contradicting your point on CBs?

Ta'amu was on my board but my mock draft partner RMartin 65 said he has looked pathetic so I have switched to Dontari Poe NT Memphis in 3rd.
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings
http://www.gotigersgo.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/poe_dontari01.html

I like Upshaw but feel we are set at OLB unless Mario goes.

Hightower is my 2nd round pick.
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I hear you, but I see the NT as a position we have not addressed. While we went after an OLB and a DE, we basically said we were happy with Mitchell and Cody. The key to a 3-4 is the play of the NT. I really think a strong powerful NT would have made a difference against a studly OL like the Saints.

I have not seen a ton on Ta'amu but he seemed like the right mix of size and speed. Of course we will see some more as the season continues.

Thanks!
 
Doppelganger said:
I hear you, but I see the NT as a position we have not addressed. While we went after an OLB and a DE, we basically said we were happy with Mitchell and Cody. The key to a 3-4 is the play of the NT. I really think a strong powerful NT would have made a difference against a studly OL like the Saints.

I have not seen a ton on Ta'amu but he seemed like the right mix of size and speed. Of course we will see some more as the season continues.

Thanks!
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I think if we had pre-injury Ryans and the rapidly progressing Cushing the weakness at Nose would not be as obvious but I would still draft a NT.
 
badboy said:
I think if we had pre-injury Ryans and the rapidly progressing Cushing the weakness at Nose would not be as obvious but I would still draft a NT.
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Agreed. The problem is, the Ryans we have is post injury and according to CnD, he may never be the pre-injury Meco.
 
Doppelganger said:
I hear you, but I see the NT as a position we have not addressed. While we went after an OLB and a DE, we basically said we were happy with Mitchell and Cody. The key to a 3-4 is the play of the NT. I really think a strong powerful NT would have made a difference against a studly OL like the Saints.

I have not seen a ton on Ta'amu but he seemed like the right mix of size and speed. Of course we will see some more as the season continues.

Thanks!
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I think a guy like BJ Raji is a once in a long-ass time kind of player. Someone his size, that moves like that... I don't see too many of them coming out of college.

& that's what Wade wants.

Instead, I think we'll have to move JJWatt inside, put Mario at DE and go from there. That's if Brooks Reed becomes what he should be.

Or even Antonio, I can see Antonio being very successful in this system.

But I don't see us acquiring a traditional NT.
 
Give me
Rd.1 Micheal Floyd WR, Notre Dame
Rd.2 Josh Chapman DT, Alabama
Rd.3 Nate Potter OT,Boise St.
Rd.4 Keenan Robinson ILB, UT

I would jump for joy if the draft fell this way.
 
steelbtexan said:
Give me
Rd.1 Micheal Floyd WR, Notre Dame
Rd.2 Josh Chapman DT, Alabama
Rd.3 Nate Potter OT,Boise St.
Rd.4 Keenan Robinson ILB, UT

I would jump for joy if the draft fell this way.
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Interesting comment on Floyd I heard last Saturday. Floyd was in trouble over money raised by a bake sale? I thought it was memorabilia or something he sold. If that is all he moves ahead of Fuller on my board.

naah it was the drinking.
 
The one game this season I have been able to watch Ta'amu in depth was against Nebraska, where he looked dreadful. Was washed out of plays most of the game, and was often blocked by one blocker. I dont like to judge a player on just one game, but he looked very bad. He needs to impress in the next game for me to think of him as a first round talent.

I like you draft badboy, but I would really prefer to see another position in the first. I think we have enough invested in the secondary already, we need to see what the young talent (Harris, Carmichael) has.
 
We've been going defense heavy in the first round for the past couple of years, I would rather see us go offense in WR or OL help this time around and plug the holes on D with veterans. There are so many stud receivers in college, Blackmon, Floyd, and Alshon Jeffrey to name a few. Some of them look like top 10 locks but you never know what happens from here till wherever we are picking
 
The Cush said:
We've been going defense heavy in the first round for the past couple of years, I would rather see us go offense in WR or OL help this time around and plug the holes on D with veterans. There are so many stud receivers in college, Blackmon, Floyd, and Alshon Jeffrey to name a few. Some of them look like top 10 locks but you never know what happens from here till wherever we are picking
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ever heard of Rutgers Mohamed Sanu? just a small sampling http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ONBbN0H7Tc
In only 3 games Sanu has 36 receptions, 4 TD's avg. 121 yd. per game. only a junior so he would have to come out early which has yet to be determined? seems like a great kid, solid character, hard worker would be a great fit in Texan locker room. :wesmantexanfan:
 
The Cush said:
We've been going defense heavy in the first round for the past couple of years, I would rather see us go offense in WR or OL help this time around and plug the holes on D with veterans. There are so many stud receivers in college, Blackmon, Floyd, and Alshon Jeffrey to name a few. Some of them look like top 10 locks but you never know what happens from here till wherever we are picking
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So we need to go from 30+ ppg to 40+ppg? Guys, we need to slow down the other teams a bit don't you think? The main reason on my first mock I had WR Fuller in first because no other position has a comparable starter at a need position. It is now blatantly obvious that CB2 is a priority need that has a starter available in 2012 draft.

Cush, what Olineman will be there in 22 or later? None I see. If you are going to get a prospect, do it later in draft is my contention.
 
badboy said:
So we need to go from 30+ ppg to 40+ppg? Guys, we need to slow down the other teams a bit don't you think? The main reason on my first mock I had WR Fuller in first because no other position has a comparable starter at a need position. It is now blatantly obvious that CB2 is a priority need that has a starter available in 2012 draft.

Cush, what Olineman will be there in 22 or later? None I see. If you are going to get a prospect, do it later in draft is my contention.
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There are some OL that could be available at 22 or later. Datko OT from Florida State is a solid player and so is Glenn G from Georgia. I cant see this team giving up on Jackson after only his 2nd season. It took years for them to realize that Travis Johnson and Okoye werent the right fit. I cannot see them taking a CB in the first round unless a stud drops to us or Wade Phillips strongly suggests that Jackson cannot get better and it was a huge mistake to draft him. Especially because they just spent a high draft pick on Brandon Harris and should expect something from him by next year.

Right now I see this teams needs as
1)NT-Obviously Cody isnt cutting it there and they could use a legitimate NT
2)WR-We dont have a #2 WR right now and i know everyone says Daniels is the 2nd option, but we need a solid #2 WR to make sure AJ does not get doubled all the time. AJ is also getting up there in age and we could use a guy that AJ could groom to be the eventual #1.
3)OL-Whether it is a OT or OG the OL needs some depth with Butler going down. The Texans could get a starter and potentially move the line around or just get some depth.
4)OLB/DE depth- With Mario's future uncertain and his injury history we need some depth behind Mario,Barwin and Reed.
5)DE/DT depth- Right now we have 2 very solid 3-4 DE's but do not have that much depth behind them. Tim Jamison is not cutting it if one of them goes down.
6)MLB depth- Hopefully DeMeco comes back to full strength but it is quite possible that he will never get to the same level he was at. Texans should draft a developmental ILB incase DeMeco fails.
 
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badboy said:
So we need to go from 30+ ppg to 40+ppg? Guys, we need to slow down the other teams a bit don't you think? The main reason on my first mock I had WR Fuller in first because no other position has a comparable starter at a need position. It is now blatantly obvious that CB2 is a priority need that has a starter available in 2012 draft.

Cush, what Olineman will be there in 22 or later? None I see. If you are going to get a prospect, do it later in draft is my contention.
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I'm not familiar with any of the O-line prospects but I agree with you defense still needs work. I'm not opposed to going defense in the draft again, but I would rather have defensive additions addressed through free agency than with rookies who may or may not produce from Day 1, especially at the corner position where outside of Joseph (who is relatively young himself but has experience) is filled with youth. I believe during the Dolphins game the announcers stated we have the 4th youngest starting D.
 
Ndevine7 said:
There are some OL that could be available at 22 or later. Datko OT from Florida State is a solid player and so is Glenn G from Georgia. I cant see this team giving up on Jackson after only his 2nd season. It took years for them to realize that Travis Johnson and Okoye werent the right fit. I cannot see them taking a CB in the first round unless a stud drops to us or Wade Phillips strongly suggests that Jackson cannot get better and it was a huge mistake to draft him. Especially because they just spent a high draft pick on Brandon Harris and should expect something from him by next year.

Right now I see this teams needs as
1)NT-Obviously Cody isnt cutting it there and they could use a legitimate NT
2)WR-We dont have a #2 WR right now and i know everyone says Daniels is the 2nd option, but we need a solid #2 WR to make sure AJ does not get doubled all the time. AJ is also getting up there in age and we could use a guy that AJ could groom to be the eventual #1.
3)OL-Whether it is a OT or OG the OL needs some depth with Butler going down. The Texans could get a starter and potentially move the line around or just get some depth.
4)OLB/DE depth- With Mario's future uncertain and his injury history we need some depth behind Mario,Barwin and Reed.
5)DE/DT depth- Right now we have 2 very solid 3-4 DE's but do not have that much depth behind them. Tim Jamison is not cutting it if one of them goes down.
6)MLB depth- Hopefully DeMeco comes back to full strength but it is quite possible that he will never get to the same level he was at. Texans should draft a developmental ILB incase DeMeco fails.
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I have Datko rated in 3rd round at best. Here are some supporting comments althought nfldraftscout.com has him late 1st, early 2nd.

http://www.mockingthedraft.com/2011/7/17/2277343/andrew-datko-2012-nfl-draft-prospect-notes
http://www.collegesportsmadness.com/article/651

WHile I am big fan of Harris, there are some corners who should be available in first that could be better. I agree with you rother points just not necessarily on when each should be addressed.
 
The Cush said:
I'm not familiar with any of the O-line prospects but I agree with you defense still needs work. I'm not opposed to going defense in the draft again, but I would rather have defensive additions addressed through free agency than with rookies who may or may not produce from Day 1, especially at the corner position where outside of Joseph (who is relatively young himself but has experience) is filled with youth. I believe during the Dolphins game the announcers stated we have the 4th youngest starting D.
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I do not see any corners other than Leon Hall CB in 2012 we'd be interested in.
 
badboy said:
I have Datko rated in 3rd round at best. Here are some supporting comments althought nfldraftscout.com has him late 1st, early 2nd.

http://www.mockingthedraft.com/2011/7/17/2277343/andrew-datko-2012-nfl-draft-prospect-notes
http://www.collegesportsmadness.com/article/651

WHile I am big fan of Harris, there are some corners who should be available in first that could be better. I agree with you rother points just not necessarily on when each should be addressed.
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From what I have seen of Datko I have been impressed. Its so early in the season that some of these potential first round picks could drop all the way up to top 15 with a great season and some could fall all the way to the 3rd plus round. IMO the texans spent a 1st and 5th in 2010 and a 2nd and 4th in 2011. I just don't see the texans drafting any cb. I could see them going out in fa and maybe getting someone but not in the draft.
 
Ndevine7 said:
From what I have seen of Datko I have been impressed. Its so early in the season that some of these potential first round picks could drop all the way up to top 15 with a great season and some could fall all the way to the 3rd plus round. IMO the texans spent a 1st and 5th in 2010 and a 2nd and 4th in 2011. I just don't see the texans drafting any cb. I could see them going out in fa and maybe getting someone but not in the draft.
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Remember who he has played against before getting too excited. Sure he could do well but his feet need to improve a lot to be in NFL.

You should not base your draft on what picks you spent in past but on what talent you got for them. Look at how we have drafted Dline historically to support my position. What concerns me about CB is Allen and KJ are bad but none of the others have beat them out.

McCain looked better but did not see him against NO. We better do something & why I want Asante Samuel in a trade.
 
badboy said:
Remember who he has played against before getting too excited. Sure he could do well but his feet need to improve a lot to be in NFL.

You should not base your draft on what picks you spent in past but on what talent you got for them. Look at how we have drafted Dline historically to support my position. What concerns me about CB is Allen and KJ are bad but none of the others have beat them out.

McCain looked better but did not see him against NO. We better do something & why I want Asante Samuel in a trade.
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Fastest way to improve is to improve the offense so that it is complete. There is less draft capital that would need to be spent and there's also great value at the WR/OL positions in this draft. As well as LB/CB.

I really like Floyd and hope that Chapman is there in Rd.2.

If an OL that you really like is there late in the 2nd then I hope Rick trades back into the 2nd rd and takes him. Like the Harris trade last yr.

Hopefully a vet CB like a Josh Wilson is availabe in FA. Another vet CB so that Harris/Carmicheal have a chance to develop would be optimal. (That or Harris grabs a starting CB job and upgrades the position.
 
steelbtexan said:
Fastest way to improve is to improve the offense so that it is complete. There is less draft capital that would need to be spent and there's also great value at the WR/OL positions in this draft. As well as LB/CB.

I really like Floyd and hope that Chapman is there in Rd.2.

If an OL that you really like is there late in the 2nd then I hope Rick trades back into the 2nd rd and takes him. Like the Harris trade last yr.

Hopefully a vet CB like a Josh Wilson is availabe in FA. Another vet CB so that Harris/Carmicheal have a chance to develop would be optimal. (That or Harris grabs a starting CB job and upgrades the position.
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I disagree only with the bolded. I am a defensive guy. High scoring games are fun for most fans but frustrate me as we give it up to the opponent too often. The problem with free agency is it comes after the draft and you have little clue as to whom you can pursue.
 
badboy said:
I disagree only with the bolded. I am a defensive guy. High scoring games are fun for most fans but frustrate me as we give it up to the opponent too often. The problem with free agency is it comes after the draft and you have little clue as to whom you can pursue.
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Did that change with the new CBA? It was always around February/March time frame before the lockout last year.
 
badboy said:
As much as I like a WR in first round two things are developing. One is the guy I want Jeff Fuller is not playing to my expectations. Second, Walter and Jacoby Jones seem to be holding WR2 down as they did last season so I am not as eager to burn a first on this position.

As of now, cornerback has been forced onto the front burner. KJ is not doing as well under Phillips' regime as I had hope but is reverting back to his rookie year. I had hoped that Harris or McMannis would have beaten out either Jackson or Allen & I have no insight as to why Brandon Harris is hugging the bench. I think an elite left tackle would move Brown to RT and in turn Winston to either RG or backup. Unfortunately. I don't see one where I anticipate Texans to draft nor a real good RG either. Anyways, here is my draft for 2012 picking at #25.

1. Cover corner and there are several I am researching including Jayron Hosely and Eddie Whitley (FS/CB) both from Virginia Tech, Coryell Judie (Texas A&M & did not play in 1 point loss against OSU), Janoris Jenkins Alabama, Claiborne from LSU and Dennard from Nebraska.
2. ILB Dont'a Hightower Alabama
3. NT Dontari Poe Memphis
4. LT or OG
5. SS/FS/CB Winston Guy Kentucky (team sucks but he has played pretty well last 2 seasons)
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I'm ready for your Mock after game 4 :chef:
 
beerlover said:
I'm ready for your Mock after game 4 :chef:
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I am not badboy, but here is my game 4: Over-reaction mock!

1. Michael Floyd, WR, Notre Dame
He has a character flag with a DUI, but, that's it, 1 DUI. He could start opposite AJ game 1 and learn to play the game the AJ way.

2. Alameda Ta'amu, NT, Washington
Has been up and down, but he has shown some ability to be stout against the run.

3. Jerry Franklin, OLB/MLB, Arkansas
A versatile LB who can play ILB or OLB. He would be a good key backup to Meco/Cush or in the OLB rotation. Value pick.

4. Kellen Moore, QB Boise State
I know we just drafted TJ Yates last year, but when I see Kellen Moore, I see Drew Brees/Doug Flutie. Smaller, super accurate QB, with a bigger arm than you expect. Give him 3-4 years to learn under Schaub and I think he will surprise. At worst, he will be a super quality backup. Not bad for a 4th rounder.

5. Devon Still, DE/NT, Penn State
Versatile enough to factor into the 3-4 DE rotation and can also play NT. May be the kind of NT that Wade wants.

6.Doug Martin, RB, Boise State
Short yet elusive runner. He can hit gaps and has the speed to make a short gain into a big one. Will drop becuase of a lack of quality opponents. As we have seen this year, RB depth is a must for this offense.

7.Moe Petrus, C/G, Connecticut
Versatile C/G swing position. Provides depth for 3 positions with 1 pick. How can you not like that?!
 
Doppelganger said:
I am not badboy, but here is my game 4: Over-reaction mock!

1. Michael Floyd, WR, Notre Dame
He has a character flag with a DUI, but, that's it, 1 DUI. He could start opposite AJ game 1 and learn to play the game the AJ way.

2. Alameda Ta'amu, NT, Washington
Has been up and down, but he has shown some ability to be stout against the run.

3. Jerry Franklin, OLB/MLB, Arkansas
A versatile LB who can play ILB or OLB. He would be a good key backup to Meco/Cush or in the OLB rotation. Value pick.

4. Kellen Moore, QB Boise State
I know we just drafted TJ Yates last year, but when I see Kellen Moore, I see Drew Brees/Doug Flutie. Smaller, super accurate QB, with a bigger arm than you expect. Give him 3-4 years to learn under Schaub and I think he will surprise. At worst, he will be a super quality backup. Not bad for a 4th rounder.

5. Devon Still, DE/NT, Penn State
Versatile enough to factor into the 3-4 DE rotation and can also play NT. May be the kind of NT that Wade wants.

6.Doug Martin, RB, Boise State
Short yet elusive runner. He can hit gaps and has the speed to make a short gain into a big one. Will drop becuase of a lack of quality opponents. As we have seen this year, RB depth is a must for this offense.

7.Moe Petrus, C/G, Connecticut
Versatile C/G swing position. Provides depth for 3 positions with 1 pick. How can you not like that?!
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Floyd has had 3 run ins with alcohol issues since 2009. One maybe, 3 McNair will not approve.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=6242523

Ta'amu was on my early board but has done minimal this year. Needs to bring it.

We could use an ILB backup.

I really like Kellen Moore but he's short and Brees and Flutie are rare excptions not the rule. I'm not using a pick on QB when we have too many glaring holes.

Enjoyed the read.

My next mock soon.
 
badboy said:
As much as I like a WR in first round two things are developing. One is the guy I want Jeff Fuller is not playing to my expectations. Second, Walter and Jacoby Jones seem to be holding WR2 down as they did last season so I am not as eager to burn a first on this position.

As of now, cornerback has been forced onto the front burner. KJ is not doing as well under Phillips' regime as I had hope but is reverting back to his rookie year. I had hoped that Harris or McMannis would have beaten out either Jackson or Allen & I have no insight as to why Brandon Harris is hugging the bench. I think an elite left tackle would move Brown to RT and in turn Winston to either RG or backup. Unfortunately. I don't see one where I anticipate Texans to draft nor a real good RG either. Anyways, here is my draft for 2012 picking at #25.

1. Cover corner and there are several I am researching including Jayron Hosely and Eddie Whitley (FS/CB) both from Virginia Tech, Coryell Judie (Texas A&M & did not play in 1 point loss against OSU), Janoris Jenkins Alabama, Claiborne from LSU and Dennard from Nebraska.
2. ILB Dont'a Hightower Alabama
3. NT Dontari Poe Memphis
4. LT or OG
5. SS/FS/CB Winston Guy Kentucky (team sucks but he has played pretty well last 2 seasons)
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Sorry I'm late to the mock draft thread but I was out of town, Pronghorn Antelope hunting in Wyoming. For the guys who want to fix our team needs in FA next year, it's not going to happen. Mario and Foster will both be FA next year and we might not have enough money to sign both of them much less go out and get studs somewhere else. If we pick up anyone in FA it will most likely be like in past years where we got guys to fill holes, not studs. We may try to franchise Mario and look for an injury induced discount on Foster but they'll still be expensive and won't leave much money available after signing them. Honestly I like Badboy's draft. As much as I'd like to add a great WR next year, we're not finished converting to the 3-4 and still have holes on defense to fill. Also Demeco may be a liability adding another possible hole but it won't be filled early in the draft, most likely a mid round pick at ILB for depth. I think CB and NT are our biggest needs and should be addressed in the 1st and 2nd rounds depending on player availability. If I had to pick one though I'd rather have a 1st round CB and fill NT in the mid rounds. My assessment of needs:

1. NT or CB, depending on player availability.
2. CB or NT, see above.
3. ILB or O-line, depending on player availability.
4. O-line or ILB, see above.
5. WR, I'd like to make this a higher need but we've got other bigger holes to fill.
6. DE depth.
7. FS/SS depth.

As much as we improved in the last offseason, we need to go that again. Only this time we most likely won't have much in FA to fill holes.
 
badboy said:
As much as I like a WR in first round two things are developing. One is the guy I want Jeff Fuller is not playing to my expectations. Second, Walter and Jacoby Jones seem to be holding WR2 down as they did last season so I am not as eager to burn a first on this position.

As of now, cornerback has been forced onto the front burner. KJ is not doing as well under Phillips' regime as I had hope but is reverting back to his rookie year. I had hoped that Harris or McMannis would have beaten out either Jackson or Allen & I have no insight as to why Brandon Harris is hugging the bench. I think an elite left tackle would move Brown to RT and in turn Winston to either RG or backup. Unfortunately. I don't see one where I anticipate Texans to draft nor a real good RG either. Anyways, here is my draft for 2012 picking at #25.

1. Cover corner and there are several I am researching including Jayron Hosely and Eddie Whitley (FS/CB) both from Virginia Tech, Coryell Judie (Texas A&M & did not play in 1 point loss against OSU), Janoris Jenkins Alabama, Claiborne from LSU and Dennard from Nebraska.
2. ILB Dont'a Hightower Alabama
3. NT Dontari Poe Memphis
4. LT or OG
5. SS/FS/CB Winston Guy Kentucky (team sucks but he has played pretty well last 2 seasons)
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I think you are making a mistake on Fuller. I predict he will shoot up quickly up draft boards. No, he hasn't looked good so far this year, but he has been dealing with a hamstring injury and is just now finally at what he says is 90%.

I'd still very much consider taking Fuller with our 1st round pick if we are picking late in the 1st (like I hope you are). He'd definitely be worth a 2nd round pick, and I'd take him over everyone not named Blackmon (although I wouldn't draft him any higher than late in the 1st due to how much of a bonehead he is) and Jeffery.

If Fuller isn't there, I'd love Broyles. I don't care that he doesn't have the ideal height. The guy can play.
 
Wolf6151 said:
Sorry I'm late to the mock draft thread but I was out of town, Pronghorn Antelope hunting in Wyoming. For the guys who want to fix our team needs in FA next year, it's not going to happen. Mario and Foster will both be FA next year and we might not have enough money to sign both of them much less go out and get studs somewhere else. If we pick up anyone in FA it will most likely be like in past years where we got guys to fill holes, not studs. We may try to franchise Mario and look for an injury induced discount on Foster but they'll still be expensive and won't leave much money available after signing them. Honestly I like Badboy's draft. As much as I'd like to add a great WR next year, we're not finished converting to the 3-4 and still have holes on defense to fill. Also Demeco may be a liability adding another possible hole but it won't be filled early in the draft, most likely a mid round pick at ILB for depth. I think CB and NT are our biggest needs and should be addressed in the 1st and 2nd rounds depending on player availability. If I had to pick one though I'd rather have a 1st round CB and fill NT in the mid rounds. My assessment of needs:

1. NT or CB, depending on player availability.
2. CB or NT, see above.
3. ILB or O-line, depending on player availability.
4. O-line or ILB, see above.
5. WR, I'd like to make this a higher need but we've got other bigger holes to fill.
6. DE depth.
7. FS/SS depth.

As much as we improved in the last offseason, we need to go that again. Only this time we most likely won't have much in FA to fill holes.
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Better late than never. I am working on a mock that will take care of all your concerns. Tempted to publish it but want to see my selections play more. I promise there will be a big surprise for those who know me or read my historical mocks.

Also, I agre with you on fee agency, unless Mario is gone opening much dinero.
 
Ckw said:
I think you are making a mistake on Fuller. I predict he will shoot up quickly up draft boards. No, he hasn't looked good so far this year, but he has been dealing with a hamstring injury and is just now finally at what he says is 90%.

I'd still very much consider taking Fuller with our 1st round pick if we are picking late in the 1st (like I hope you are). He'd definitely be worth a 2nd round pick, and I'd take him over everyone not named Blackmon (although I wouldn't draft him any higher than late in the 1st due to how much of a bonehead he is) and Jeffery.

If Fuller isn't there, I'd love Broyles. I don't care that he doesn't have the ideal height. The guy can play.
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Sorry, I am off Fuller. He will prob be a decent NFL player but not for Texans. I want a charismatic playmaker with speed that takes heat off AJ and will eventually replace him. The guy I am watching will climb charts faster than FUller and that is my biggest concern. He could go from basically unknown to a first round pick & I don't want that.
 
badboy said:
Sorry, I am off Fuller. He will prob be a decent NFL player but not for Texans. I want a charismatic playmaker with speed that takes heat off AJ and will eventually replace him. The guy I am watching will climb charts faster than FUller and that is my biggest concern. He could go from basically unknown to a first round pick & I don't want that.
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Who are you wanting us to target?

And Fuller is a playmaker. He hasn't done it a lot this year but that has been entirely due to the injury. But to each his own.
 
badboy said:
1. Cover corner and there are several I am researching including Jayron Hosely and Eddie Whitley (FS/CB) both from Virginia Tech, Coryell Judie (Texas A&M & did not play in 1 point loss against OSU), Janoris Jenkins Alabama, Claiborne from LSU and Dennard from Nebraska.
2. ILB Dont'a Hightower Alabama
3. NT Dontari Poe Memphis
4. LT or OG
5. SS/FS/CB Winston Guy Kentucky (team sucks but he has played pretty well last 2 seasons)
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The more I look at the basic context of this mock the more I like it. It addresses needs but from a value standpoint, getting best player available in the appropriate round. One change that I'd make would be to take a WR in the 2nd round and drop ILB to the 4th round. Even if Demeco has a bad year, I don't think the Texans will do anything about it and will allow him another year to get his act together and see if he can return to pre-injury performance levels.

1. Cover CB, maybe Stephon Gilmore.
2. WR, Dwight Jones or Juron Criner.
3. NT, Dontari Poe.
4. ILB, Kevin Reddick or Tanner Brock.
 
Wolf6151 said:
The more I look at the basic context of this mock the more I like it. It addresses needs but from a value standpoint, getting best player available in the appropriate round. One change that I'd make would be to take a WR in the 2nd round and drop ILB to the 4th round. Even if Demeco has a bad year, I don't think the Texans will do anything about it and will allow him another year to get his act together and see if he can return to pre-injury performance levels.

1. Cover CB, maybe Stephon Gilmore.
2. WR, Dwight Jones or Juron Criner.
3. NT, Dontari Poe.
4. ILB, Kevin Reddick or Tanner Brock.
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Yeah, our front 7 is finally looking pretty good. Also in today's game with all the rule changes, and basically the destruction of the safety position, you can't have enough good cover corners because even if he is at least an average tackler, he can be moved to safety. The safeties now have to be able to cover so even though we just recently took a cornet in the first, I'd have zero problem with us doing so again this year.

As long as we go WR, DB, or NT in the 1st, I will be a happy camper. It sure is nice to feel like we now only have about 3 positions of weakness when just a year or two ago it was more like 10 positions. Sure, we could use more depth across the board but our starters at essentially all our positions other than those I listed are solid.
 
Ckw said:
Yeah, our front 7 is finally looking pretty good. Also in today's game with all the rule changes, and basically the destruction of the safety position, you can't have enough good cover corners because even if he is at least an average tackler, he can be moved to safety. The safeties now have to be able to cover so even though we just recently took a cornet in the first, I'd have zero problem with us doing so again this year.

As long as we go WR, DB, or NT in the 1st, I will be a happy camper. It sure is nice to feel like we now only have about 3 positions of weakness when just a year or two ago it was more like 10 positions. Sure, we could use more depth across the board but our starters at essentially all our positions other than those I listed are solid.
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Teams in the modern era of the NFL need essentialy 3 starter level CB's because so many teams run 3 WR sets alot of the time. With rule changes over the last decade the NFL has become a passing league. The era of the Pollard/Williams style of Safety is over, safeties have to cover now and this is why you see so many converted CB's playing FS/SS. We took a CB in the 1st round recently but the jury is still out on KJ, Harris, and Carmichael and we only have one really good CB right now. If there will be a good NT available to us in a later round then I think our biggest need to fill in the 1st is CB and this seems to be a good year to do it since there are alot of good quality CB's in the 2012 draft. We still have alot of depth to fill on defense, Bulman, Barber, and Sharpton need to go IMO.
 
Ckw said:
Who are you wanting us to target?

And Fuller is a playmaker. He hasn't done it a lot this year but that has been entirely due to the injury. But to each his own.
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Kendall Wright@ Baylor. He is off most people's radar but is catching for a Heisman possibility. He had an off day yesterday as Baylor went with the running game. 8 for 69 yds I believe. He went 9 for 201 last week. After 5 games he has almost 700 yds.
 
Ckw said:
Who are you wanting us to target?

And Fuller is a playmaker. He hasn't done it a lot this year but that has been entirely due to the injury. But to each his own.
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You are basing that on only one yeaqr. Informative but ?
 
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