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The Stat that says it all (Red Zone Thread)

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BullNation4Life

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5 Redzone appearances....

1 touchdown
4 fgs....


That is why the Saints are a playoff team and the Texans are a mediocre team looking for an identity....

Damn I am gonna hate this week....:vincepalm:
 
BullNation4Life said:
5 Redzone appearances....

1 touchdown
4 fgs....


That is why the Saints are a playoff team and the Texans are a mediocre team looking for an identity....

Damn I am gonna hate this week....:vincepalm:
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It's gonna be a GREAT week of talk radio, though.
 
JamesBill said:
Arian foster. 2009 terrible in Redzone. 2010 best in the redzone in the NFL. 2011 terrible in redzone.

foster.
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Maybe, but they didn't even attempt to pound it in the endzone with Tate...

I think Gary was outsmarting himself instead of what was working, running the damn ball...
 
BullNation4Life said:
Maybe, but they didn't even attempt to pound it in the endzone with Tate...

I think Gary was outsmarting himself instead of what was working, running the damn ball...
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agree on the 3 yard line, with our running game and you kick a field goal. Seriously Kubiak ???
 
BullNation4Life said:
5 Redzone appearances....

1 touchdown
4 fgs....


That is why the Saints are a playoff team and the Texans are a mediocre team looking for an identity....

Damn I am gonna hate this week....:vincepalm:
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No offense but I had to hear that **** from that f-ing missing link dumbbledorf for 2 hours, don't need to see it posted in here...
 
I don't mind the field goals, they are point and points were what we need when playing the Saints. The Lack of AJ in the second half and the total abandonment of the running game are what bum me out
 
JamesBill said:
Arian foster. 2009 terrible in Redzone. 2010 best in the redzone in the NFL. 2011 terrible in redzone.

foster.
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basically...of course the yahoos will call in talking about this. some people just dont have a clue..rep your way.
 
This game was brought to you by the Houston Texans Offense and the letters FG and the number 3.

Its like the field goal curses this team. Either its Kris Brown and his inability to make them in the clutch, or its this team making too many instead of TDs.
 
Big Lou said:
No offense but I had to hear that **** from that f-ing missing link dumbbledorf for 2 hours, don't need to see it posted in here...
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no offense taken but It's the damn truth...When you have 5 opportunities in the redzone and you only come away with 1 TD against THAT NO offense...nuff said..

Dumbbledorf called it after the 2nd FG that kicking FGs int eh redzone was gonna come back to bite the Texans and guess what happened....
 
Toan said:
You're missing one portion of the stats in the RZ..

How many delay, early, errant pass was throw by our QB in our TD drought?

Even our very last TD should've been intercepted.
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Ok but twice they had the ball on 3, you gonna tell me Tate cannot get 3 yards for a TD? If not, then the Texans are in more trouble this year than they realize cause Foster will not be healthy all year...
 
I love how everyone was hating on me big time in the game day thread last week. I was ganged up on like crazy for being upset about what I saw in that game a majority of which had to do with our red zone woes.

What do you guys have to say to me now?
 
Good thing its only the 3rd week. Hopefully they actually address the red zone problems and work on it cause they clearly didn't after the Miami game.
 
Yeah, it's not like we're missing Arian Foster or anything.

And we should have had one more RZ TD than we did, because the refs missed a blatant PI on a pass to Andre.
 
Ckw said:
I love how everyone was hating on me big time in the game day thread last week. I was ganged up on like crazy for being upset about what I saw in that game a majority of which had to do with our red zone woes.



What do you guys have to say to me now?
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nothing, u still don't have a point....at least not until Arian gets back healthy.
 
BullNation4Life said:
5 Redzone appearances....

1 touchdown
4 fgs....


That is why the Saints are a playoff team and the Texans are a mediocre team looking for an identity....

Damn I am gonna hate this week....:vincepalm:
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You and Dan Dierdorf. It is obvious this was an issue, but we lost by allowing 40 points. 40 points.
 
Toan said:
It might've been more of the Saints playing our run tough, moreso than Tate/The Line transforming into pumpkins when we were in the RZ

Tate was getting stuffed routinely in the RZ when we did tried to run it. Tate have shown he can bulldoze his way into the EZ before

Having a lame back-up who keeps running directly into the tacklers arms wasn't helping either.
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and was it me or did Tate not use the cutback lanes like he normally does? several runs that got stuffed looked like they had huge backside lanes but Tate never took them...
 
Atl Cav said:
You and Dan Dierdorf. It is obvious this was an issue, but we lost by allowing 40 points. 40 points.
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and would have won by scoring from the 3, twice...Not that hard of a concept.

defense gave up 40, but the Saints should have given up much more had it not been for bad play calling in the red zone...
 
BullNation4Life said:
and would have won by scoring from the 3, twice...Not that hard of a concept.

defense gave up 40, but the Saints should have given up much more had it not been for bad play calling in the red zone...
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In a vaccuum yes, you're right but its not like we were playing against air out there. Furthermore the saints STILL had to hang 40 on us to win the game. 40. How many teams have the ability to do that? Not many. Give credit to your opponent & keep it moving.
 
This isn't a new thing. The team last year was good in the red zone for a change. Under Kubiak, the offense has stalled int he red zone far too often. I've been telling my friends for years that anytime the team lands on 16 points, they should just go ahead and chalk it up to an offensive failure. I hate the 16 point mark. It means you're 1 for 4, basically. We are continually told what a top offense this team is and has been for a few years, but top offenses don't go 1 for 4 as frequently as the Texans do.
 
Brandon420tx said:
I don't mind the field goals, they are point and points were what we need when playing the Saints. The Lack of AJ in the second half and the total abandonment of the running game are what bum me out
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The running game faltered as soon as Tate got hobbled. They clearly weren't very confident in having Slaton back there. We need Ward AND Foster back.


Hoth-Boy said:
We will need Foster to beat the Steelers and the Ravens.
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^
This
 
Mr teX said:
uhh no dude...just stop it.
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stop what, you don't think the Steelers, Ravens and Oakland can put 40 on the Texans? Take the Texan colored glasses off and put the kool aide down. Ravens dropped 35 on the Steelers, Oakland dropped 35 on the now 3-0 Bills and the Steelers can run the hell out of the ball....

ok Steelers maybe not but the other 2 defiantly can...
 
Mr teX said:
nothing, u still don't have a point....at least not until Arian gets back healthy.
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Suck it. It's a team game. Players get hurt especially RBs. The fact that Schaub can't throw a TD in the RZ is very problematic.

I guess what you are saying is the team is screwed if Foster has this problem the whole season. There are 10 other guys on the field with Foster. If those guys can't get it done, then my point is completely valid little tex.
 
Ckw said:
Suck it. It's a team game. Players get hurt especially RBs. The fact that Schaub can't throw a TD in the RZ is very problematic.

I guess what you are saying is the team is screwed if Foster has this problem the whole season. There are 10 other guys on the field with Foster. If those guys can't get it done, then my point is completely valid little tex.
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It's not just Schaub, the entire OLine needs to step up and block. I saw/heard a lot of opportunity there.
 
Ckw said:
Suck it. It's a team game. Players get hurt especially RBs. The fact that Schaub can't throw a TD in the RZ is very problematic.

I guess what you are saying is the team is screwed if Foster has this problem the whole season. There are 10 other guys on the field with Foster. If those guys can't get it done, then my point is completely valid little tex.
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When you're forced to have to use Slaton to back up Tate because Foster AND Ward are hurt, it's a big deal.

We have the best RB rotation in football and 2 of the 3 are hurt. And our offense needs the run to be good, especially in the red zone.
 
eriadoc said:
This isn't a new thing. The team last year was good in the red zone for a change. Under Kubiak, the offense has stalled int he red zone far too often. I've been telling my friends for years that anytime the team lands on 16 points, they should just go ahead and chalk it up to an offensive failure. I hate the 16 point mark. It means you're 1 for 4, basically. We are continually told what a top offense this team is and has been for a few years, but top offenses don't go 1 for 4 as frequently as the Texans do.
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Someone actually gets it here in the land of excuses known as Texans Talk.

I am so ****ing sick of our fans in Houston. We are a bunch of jokes the way we constantly make excuses for any and everything and settle for mediocrity.

Teams lose players. The good teams still know how to win without them.

Sure, it sucked being without Arian Foster. Well guess what suckers, the Saints were without their best receiver Colston, and best linebacker Vilma. And they still won.

Stop with the excuses. Quit with the acceptance of mediocrity.

Our red zone woes were a problem last week against a bad team. Our red zone woes caused us to lose against a playoff team this week. We will continue to lose against playoff teams if these red zone woes continue.
 
Kimmy said:
It's not just Schaub, the entire OLine needs to step up and block. I saw/heard a lot of opportunity there.
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I agree. It is a TEAM effort. But other QBs not named Schaub know how to pass for a TD in the RZ. It's what the great ones do. Schaub has had this problem ever since he has been here.

I say stop blaming everyone else and look at the common element: Matt Schaub.

TheMatrix31 said:
When you're forced to have to use Slaton to back up Tate because Foster AND Ward are hurt, it's a big deal.

We have the best RB rotation in football and 2 of the 3 are hurt. And our offense needs the run to be good, especially in the red zone.
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Quit with the excuses. The Saints were missing players too. What if Arian walks in the offseason? Are we ****ed next year because we don't have the leagues best rusher? Or do we need to find different ways to score in the RZ? Hell, quit running it with Slaton and Tate and give it to Casey in the RZ. Do something different. Just quit with the excuses. It makes it embarrassing to be a Texans fan.
 
I wonder if anyone realizes we were leaders in redzone efficiency last year. Im not denying the stat has some merit, but there were many things we could've done to negate that particular stat
 
Ckw said:
I love how everyone was hating on me big time in the game day thread last week. I was ganged up on like crazy for being upset about what I saw in that game a majority of which had to do with our red zone woes.

What do you guys have to say to me now?
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That you need a hug because your identity is tied into getting approval on a message board from strangers?


That you are one of those tedious "I told you so" guys who make life miserable for everybody?

Take your pick.
 
Ckw said:
Suck it. It's a team game. Players get hurt especially RBs. The fact that Schaub can't throw a TD in the RZ is very problematic.

I guess what you are saying is the team is screwed if Foster has this problem the whole season. There are 10 other guys on the field with Foster. If those guys can't get it done, then my point is completely valid little tex.
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just like i thought you'd respond...like a chump.

There's a reason why people said backs like Emmitt Smith & Marcus Allen had a "nose for the end zone"..Foster clearly has it & was clearly the difference last year for us. if you could stop patting yourself on the back, you'd see it too.
 
thunderkyss said:
I wonder if anyone realizes we were leaders in redzone efficiency last year. Im not denying the stat has some merit, but there were many things we could've done to negate that particular stat
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Last year was the anomaly. How were we the year before? Or the year before that? Hell, how have we been in the red zone the entire time Kubiak has been here.

The Third Man said:
That you need a hug because your identity is tied into getting approval on a message board from strangers?


That you are one of those tedious "I told you so" guys who make life miserable for everybody?

Take your pick.
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All of the above. You read me like a book. Thanks for being so astute.

Brandon420tx said:
TBH, I just don't want to say anything to him, I'm logging off now, these guys are being unbearable
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Sorry bro. But when you have an issue like this that has the potential to derail the season, an inability to put up 6 in the red zone, and it is something that has been a problem the entire time you have had a particular head coach, then it is natural to be concerned.

The sky isn't falling. The season isn't over with. But you are a fool if you aren't concerned. If Foster comes back and he can stay healthy through the season and through the (hopefully) playoffs, then this probably won't be an issue.

But if Foster doesn't get back to 100% and can't stay healthy, then what I have seen through 3 games of the season is that we are screwed. If you can't score touchdowns in the red zone, you won't beat playoff teams that do put up 6 in the RZ.
 
Mr teX said:
just like i thought you'd respond...like a chump.

There's a reason why people said backs like Emmitt Smith & Marcus Allen had a "nose for the end zone"..Foster clearly has it & was clearly the difference last year for us. if you could stop patting yourself on the back, you'd see it too.
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How many teams have an Emmitt Smith & a Marcus Allen? How often do guys like that come around? If having an Emmitt Smith or Marcus Allen type of player is a requirement for us to be a quality red zone team, then excuse my french but we are ****ed.

That's all I'm saying. Get back to your glass of koolaide.
 
Ckw said:
How many teams have an Emmitt Smith & a Marcus Allen? How often do guys like that come around? If having an Emmitt Smith or Marcus Allen type of player is a requirement for us to be a quality red zone team, then excuse my french but we are ****ed.

That's all I'm saying. Get back to your glass of koolaide.
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Wow....you sir are an *****. That is all.
 
Ckw said:
How many teams have an Emmitt Smith & a Marcus Allen? How often do guys like that come around? If having an Emmitt Smith or Marcus Allen type of player is a requirement for us to be a quality red zone team, then excuse my french but we are ****ed.

That's all I'm saying. Get back to your glass of koolaide.
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he was giving an example. Foster has a nose for the endzone noone can deny that. Foster is a redzone gem thats all he's saying.
 
EllisUnit said:
he was giving an example. Foster has a nose for the endzone noone can deny that. Foster is a redzone gem thats all he's saying.
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I understood that. Foster is awesome. I love the guy, and I really hope he can come back at 100% and remain healthy. My point was that lots of teams, in fact most, don't have an Arian Foster, Adrian Peterson, Emmit Smith, or Marcus Allen type player. In fact, most of them don't yet they still find ways to put the ball into the end zone.

We CAN'T rely on one player. We are seeing what happens to a team when they put all of their eggs into one basket with the Colts. This is a team game, and the team has to be built solid enough that you can withstand some injuries.

What you are all saying, and I agree, is this team is a different team without Foster. It is a team that can't score touchdowns in the red zone. Where I guess we disagree is I see this as a major problem. As we are seeing, you can't rely on one guy. We have got to find other ways to score touchdowns in the red zone without Foster.

If we can't do that, I don't believe we are a playoff team without Foster. That is where my concern stems from. I'm surprised more people don't feel the same way.
 
BullNation4Life said:
5 Redzone appearances....

1 touchdown
4 fgs....
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means sqaut when despite winning the turnover battle we allow 40 points. any argument that starts with a situation where we lost by not putting up 40+ points is an auto-fail.

obviously we need to do a whole lot better in the redzone. that's not why we lost however. scoring 33 points needs to be a win every single time, and that's what our offense gave us, scoring atleast 3 on almost every drive.
 
If we didn't give up 23 points in the 4th qtr, those redzone woes wouldn't feel so bad.
 
BullNation4Life said:
5 Redzone appearances....

1 touchdown
4 fgs....


That is why the Saints are a playoff team and the Texans are a mediocre team looking for an identity....

Damn I am gonna hate this week....:vincepalm:
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So the stat "23 points allowed in the fourth quarter" doesn't mean anything to ya? Interesting.
 
We lost against an 11 win team on the road! It happens. The Patriots lost to a terrible team last year. It happens! You dudes make me laugh!
 
Ckw said:
Right back at you buddy.
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