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Ckw

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This is just pitiful.

This performance put on by the O-Line is reminiscent of the days of HWWNBM.

I can't believe there were people that actually believed we had the best O-Line in the league. Yes, we are a good run blocking O-Line, but we are TERRIBLE in pass protection.

Boooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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Pantherstang84

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Ckw said:
This is just pitiful.

This performance put on by the O-Line is reminiscent of the days of HWWNBM.

I can't believe there were people that actually believed we had the best O-Line in the league. Yes, we are a good run blocking O-Line, but we are TERRIBLE in pass protection.

Boooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Knee jerk much do we?
 
The Cush

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Nice overreaction! But during that stretch when Schaub was getting sacked repeatedly we didn't give our O-line any help. The Dolphins were sending 6,7, and 8 guys over and over again and we countered by running play actions or keeping it to only 5 guys blocking. It was obvious from the start Winston needed help against Wake but he was left alone on an island and got pwned. The line and the rest of the offense stepped up when they needed to
 
DocBar

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Winston certainly didn't have his best game.Drive killing penalties....grrrrr.....
 
Norg

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Chris myers got player of the game today i thought he did good


I think the problem is on our right side Brisles and WINSTON playes the worst IMO and brisles played a 2nd teir IMO when there starter went down or was that there D i forgot LOL


SMith and Brown held it down on the left IMO
 
fiasco west

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Our offensive line was definitely not good today...there was a stretch where all we seemed to do was just drop back and allow them to come. Would have liked to see more draw/screen plays then
 
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sometimes i wish we had a More mobile QB but hey i know Schaub is a peyton type QB so yeah .... he needs some more sliding moves IMO
 
nytexan

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Norg said:
sometimes i wish we had a More mobile QB but hey i know Schaub is a peyton type QB so yeah .... he needs some more sliding moves IMO
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Couldn't agree with you more. Some of those issues with pressure was Schaub doing an awful job of moving around in the pocket, not running per se but just sliding out of pressure. Schaub way too often panicks and doesn't help his line out when pressured.

I'm not saying it's all on him but much of it was. Winston had his hands full today, I have to admit.
 
Giant Tiger

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fiasco west said:
Our offensive line was definitely not good today...there was a stretch where all we seemed to do was just drop back and allow them to come. Would have liked to see more draw/screen plays then
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The OL was definitely bad today. The Dolphins were controlling both sides of the line leading up to those missed FG's. Even at 16-3, we didn't have a comfortable lead. We had bad field position pretty much all the 3rd quarter & the Dolphins looked like the better team. Luckily Manning baled us out on that kickoff return, leading to Andre's touchdown. But we got the win. Good teams find a way to win those games.
 
GP

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How does Duane Brown completely and UTTERLY blow the assignment against Jason Taylor that almost got Schaub killed?

I mean, our LG had his own man line up across from him, Taylor is just a tad bit outside of Duane Brown and we had a RB whose assignment was to flare out for a pass route at the snap....and Duane Brown blocks NOBODY. And then puts his hands out and begs for what? Understanding? Help?

IT WAS YOUR PLAY, DUANE! YOURS!

That was the single-most frustrating play of the day for me. And. "No," Chris Myers did not have a good day as well (contrary to what some are saying). He was getting tossed aside quite a bit, and I think both of our Guards suffered for it, too, having to be in good enough position to clean up Myers' mess.

The offensive line's pass pro today was more like pass amateur. They haven't looked that bad in pass pro in a long, long time, IMO.
 
DocBar

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The Fins have a good defense, so I'm not surprised by the OL struggling. What worries me is we gave Gregg Williams a buttload of film to use against the Texans. The N.O. game is gonna be brutal.
 
Texas T

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It was ugly out there today.

My question (and this may not be the right place) is-where was the play action that always works so well???

I don't recall seeing Schaub moving out on that big 'ole bootleg for the pass. Was this possibly because there was not much protection? We were running enough for it to work.

Just curious...
 
GP

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DocBar said:
The Fins have a good defense, so I'm not surprised by the OL struggling. What worries me is we gave Gregg Williams a buttload of film to use against the Texans. The N.O. game is gonna be brutal.
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Uh, they have a good defense???

I disagree. Miami has a "bad" defense. New Orleans has a "good" defense and Ravens have a "great" defense, if we're going on the idea of Bad, Good, and Great for our scoring system for rating defenses.

If our o-line plays against a good defense the way they played against a bad defense today, it'll be brutal (I agree with you there).
 
The Cush

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GP said:
How does Duane Brown completely and UTTERLY blow the assignment against Jason Taylor that almost got Schaub killed?

I mean, our LG had his own man line up across from him, Taylor is just a tad bit outside of Duane Brown and we had a RB whose assignment was to flare out for a pass route at the snap....and Duane Brown blocks NOBODY. And then puts his hands out and begs for what? Understanding? Help?

IT WAS YOUR PLAY, DUANE! YOURS!

That was the single-most frustrating play of the day for me. And. "No," Chris Myers did not have a good day as well (contrary to what some are saying). He was getting tossed aside quite a bit, and I think both of our Guards suffered for it, too, having to be in good enough position to clean up Myers' mess.

The offensive line's pass pro today was more like pass amateur. They haven't looked that bad in pass pro in a long, long time, IMO.
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That was a bad play and if its the same one I remember, Owen sneaks out of the backfield and actually runs into Brown crossing him up.
 
TheCD

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I'm not entirely knowledgeable on o-line intricacies, so would someone help me out here please:

Let's say the perfect, franshise-looking LT fell to us in the draft or FA. What would be the feasability of taking him, switching Duane to RT, and scooting Winston in to RG? Is that a legitimate possibility, or do either of their skills not translate to the position changes? I know that it's really tough for lineman to bust (at least according to the experts) because you can always move them to a different position on the line where they can be more successful. What do you guys think?
 
fiasco west

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GP said:
Uh, they have a good defense???

I disagree. Miami has a "bad" defense. New Orleans has a "good" defense and Ravens have a "great" defense, if we're going on the idea of Bad, Good, and Great for our scoring system for rating defenses.

If our o-line plays against a good defense the way they played against a bad defense today, it'll be brutal (I agree with you there).
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The Fins defense was ranked 6th last year along with having playmakers in the secondary and one of the best pass rushers in the NFL. Far from being a "bad" defense.
 
GP

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The Cush said:
That was a bad play and if its the same one I remember, Owen sneaks out of the backfield and actually runs into Brown crossing him up.
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The way I saw it, Brown had blown the assignment just a split second prior to OD (or whomever that was coming out of the backfield) going past him (Duane Brown).

Maybe OD was supposed to lag behind on that play and chip-block Taylor before fully releasing into the flat??? I don't think OD would mess that up, though.
 
buddyboy

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GP said:
The way I saw it, Brown had blown the assignment just a split second prior to OD (or whomever that was coming out of the backfield) going past him (Duane Brown).

Maybe OD was supposed to lag behind on that play and chip-block Taylor before fully releasing into the flat??? I don't think OD would mess that up, though.
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Why is it more likely that Brown messed up than OD? By my eyes, I saw Owen get in Brown's way, making it difficult for Duane to drop back and block Taylor.

I may be wrong, and it may have been OD was supposed to chip, but I don't know. Again, what I saw was a miscommunication and it wasn't necessarily Duane Brown's fault.
 
GP

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fiasco west said:
The Fins defense was ranked 6th last year along with having playmakers in the secondary and one of the best pass rushers in the NFL. Far from being a "bad" defense.
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6th last year.

22nd in 2009.

15th in 2010.

We shouldn't have had as much trouble with them as we did. I don't think it was a totally "bad" day for or offense. But I also think it never should have been as close it got there in the 3rd quarter, either.

I also want to know why our H-Back/Fullback was used hardly any at all today, as well as hardly any (if any at all!) bootlegs as well.

Not feeling good about next week's game.
 
Corrosion

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You gotta give the Dolphins defensive coaching staff some credit - they had a pretty good game plan and made some adjustments at the half resulting in blown up plays.
Corner blitz ate up the play action roll out.

I dont think the Texans offense executed real well - werent good on 3rd down and penalties killed a couple drives (Winston Im looking at you).
 
DocBar

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TheCD said:
I'm not entirely knowledgeable on o-line intricacies, so would someone help me out here please:

Let's say the perfect, franshise-looking LT fell to us in the draft or FA. What would be the feasability of taking him, switching Duane to RT, and scooting Winston in to RG? Is that a legitimate possibility, or do either of their skills not translate to the position changes? I know that it's really tough for lineman to bust (at least according to the experts) because you can always move them to a different position on the line where they can be more successful. What do you guys think?
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I've mentioned this before. The only problem I see is that we have pretty dang good guards right now. RT is probably Brown's natural position. Since my crystal ball has us picking 32 in the draft the next few years, it might be hard to get that franchis LT. :fortune:
 
GP

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Corrosion said:
You gotta give the Dolphins defensive coaching staff some credit - they had a pretty good game plan and made some adjustments at the half resulting in blown up plays.
Corner blitz ate up the play action roll out.

I dont think the Texans offense executed real well - werent good on 3rd down and penalties killed a couple drives (Winston Im looking at you).
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I will come off my earlier statement that the Dolphins are a "bad" defense.

I suppose I see them as being a "sister" type of opponent. As an 18-year-old "man," you'd expect to be able to beat little sister in a game of tackle football.

I wanted to see more dominance than I did, and yet I see where you're coming from when you say we need to give the Dolphins' defense a little credit. I agree.
 
BigTimeTexanFan

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GP said:
6th last year.

22nd in 2009.

15th in 2010.
We shouldn't have had as much trouble with them as we did. I don't think it was a totally "bad" day for or offense. But I also think it never should have been as close it got there in the 3rd quarter, either.

I also want to know why our H-Back/Fullback was used hardly any at all today, as well as hardly any (if any at all!) bootlegs as well.

Not feeling good about next week's game.
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wasn't last year 2010? I don't get it
 
GP

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IlliniJen said:
Does anyone recall seeing any play action plays today?
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To me, it looked like the old "Dennison o-coord" plan of dropping Schaub deep and having long-developing pass plays.

We were going as vertical as we could go. The long pass to AJ, IMO, is the type of mentality they were pushing all game long...trying to back their secondary away from the LOS and get AJ going on deep passes and Tate going on runs.
 
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GP said:
I will come off my earlier statement that the Dolphins are a "bad" defense.

I suppose I see them as being a "sister" type of opponent. As an 18-year-old "man," you'd expect to be able to beat little sister in a game of tackle football.

I wanted to see more dominance than I did, and yet I see where you're coming from when you say we need to give the Dolphins' defense a little credit. I agree.
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When you're on your way to a SB win, you're gonna have games like this. Just win 'em and move on. Ugly W's count, too.
On a serious note, after what I saw from Miami's DL, I'm terrified for Schaub next week in NO. They sacked Cutler 6 times. I know OL has been a problem for Chicago for a few years, but dayum...How many sacks did we give up today? 3 or 4?
 
IlliniJen

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GP said:
To me, it looked like the old "Dennison o-coord" plan of dropping Schaub deep and having long-developing pass plays.

We were going as vertical as we could go. The long pass to AJ, IMO, is the type of mentality they were pushing all game long...trying to back their secondary away from the LOS and get AJ going on deep passes and Tate going on runs.
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Wouldn't the play action have worked today, since we were having some pretty decent results with Tate? It's like the offense never got into a rhythm because they were trying to force things, be a little to flashy, and I don't think that's Schaub's game.

The o-line wasn't the issue. It's the Kubiak offensive play calling.
 
The Cush

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IlliniJen said:
Wouldn't the play action have worked today, since we were having some pretty decent results with Tate? It's like the offense never got into a rhythm because they were trying to force things, be a little to flashy, and I don't think that's Schaub's game.

The o-line wasn't the issue. It's the Kubiak offensive play calling.
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Maybe at the end when we were doing nothing but having Tate carry the rock but before that the Dolphins weren't biting at all on the PA and were eating Schaub up whenever we tried to run it
 
Dutchrudder

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This might have been Winston's worst game as a Texan. He had a couple penalties, and failed on some blocks that led to QB hurries. He certainly has looked better in the past, but I wouldn't sell him out just yet. Need a few more games to evaluate him as a RT.
 
GP

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BigTimeTexanFan said:
wasn't last year 2010? I don't get it
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I meant 2008.

Was showing that the Dolphins are an up-and-down defensive team. Perhaps strength-of-schedule is a factor here? I remember a few years back when we played the NFC West (49ers, Seahawks, Rams, Cardinals). Lollipop schedules like that one, IMO, can pad your stats a bit.

2 games into 2011, the Dolphins don't look so swell to me.
 
fiasco west

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GP said:
To me, it looked like the old "Dennison o-coord" plan of dropping Schaub deep and having long-developing pass plays.

We were going as vertical as we could go. The long pass to AJ, IMO, is the type of mentality they were pushing all game long...trying to back their secondary away from the LOS and get AJ going on deep passes and Tate going on runs.
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I think we got a bit too pass happy.

Meanwhile the Fins were doing draw plays to help slow down our rush and in return all we kept doing was dropping back and offering up Schaub when it was clear our Oline was not having a good day.
 
GP

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IlliniJen said:
Wouldn't the play action have worked today, since we were having some pretty decent results with Tate? It's like the offense never got into a rhythm because they were trying to force things, be a little to flashy, and I don't think that's Schaub's game.

The o-line wasn't the issue. It's the Kubiak offensive play calling.
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What we gained in the area of running game, with Dennison, we lost in the area of creative & strategic pass playcalling with Kyle Shanahan.

If we had those two ideologies together, we'd be killer diller. I've just never been a Dennison fan when it comes to the pass game. Not saying he is awful, but the focus seems to be dropping Schaub back wayyy deep and having these long-developing pass routes for the WRs.

/rant. I don't know why James Casey and/or Vickers was not used more in the pass game today. Not used as much as they should have, IMO.
 
GP

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I think what bothers me most is that we dominated Colts in week 1 last year.

Then we barely beat the Redskins in game 2 last year. We didn't "barely" beat the Dolphins today, but as we all remember from last year....each game got progressively worse after week 2.

We're 2-0, and that's good. We'll be at New Orleans next week, and Brees is a gamer. He LOVES to have pressure thrown his way, he thrives on it. Then we've got Steelers after that. Then Oakland. Then Ravens.

Week 1: W vs. Colts
Week 2: W vs. Dolphins
Week 3: ? vs. Saints
Week 4: ? vs. Steelers
Week 5: ? vs. Raiders
Week 6: ? vs. Ravens

3-3 after week 6 is a real possibility, folks. That's not being a Doug Downer either. That's being cautiously and wisely realistic. In theory, we're good enough to go at least 5-1 in that stretch (Either a loss to the Steelers or to the Ravens or to the Saints being the one loss in there). 4-2 is plausible, as well. But 3-3 is not a stretch of any imagination.

Just take that into account before some of you go Rep Happy as you burn down fellow posters like CKW who try to state a position of "Not satisfied." He's not flaming this team, he's just saying he sees signs that he's seen before, and he remembers this feeling all to well.
 
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GP said:
I think what bothers me most is that we dominated Colts in week 1 last year.

Then we barely beat the Redskins in game 2 last year. We didn't "barely" beat the Dolphins today, but as we all remember from last year....each game got progressively worse after week 2.

We're 2-0, and that's good. We'll be at New Orleans next week, and Brees is a gamer. He LOVES to have pressure thrown his way, he thrives on it. Then we've got Steelers after that. Then Oakland. Then Ravens.

Week 1: W vs. Colts
Week 2: W vs. Dolphins
Week 3: ? vs. Saints
Week 4: ? vs. Steelers
Week 5: ? vs. Raiders
Week 6: ? vs. Ravens

3-3 after week 6 is a real possibility, folks. That's not being a Doug Downer either. That's being cautiously and wisely realistic. In theory, we're good enough to go at least 5-1 in that stretch (Either a loss to the Steelers or to the Ravens or to the Saints being the one loss in there). 4-2 is plausible, as well. But 3-3 is not a stretch of any imagination.

Just take that into account before some of you go Rep Happy as you burn down fellow posters like CKW who try to state a position of "Not satisfied." He's not flaming this team, he's just saying he sees signs that he's seen before, and he remembers this feeling all to well.
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I don't think anyone here is trying to pump sunshine. Anyone who watched the game saw that it got ugly for a while. However, to run around with hair on fire screaming about the Apocalypse is a little premature at this point.

People are afraid to excited only to have their guts ripped out. I get it. However, there is no reason to expect the worst either. Every team has weaknesses. The Texans have weaknesses. For 2 quarters the Dolphins did a good job of exposing some of them. It's on film and the team will see the ugliness in the film room. :firehair:
 
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i just go back to that

Remember when Wade phillips and dallas beat the undefeted Saints in da superdome

and remember when the browns beat the saints in the superdome


We can do this 4-0 : P
 
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Pantherstang84 said:
I don't think anyone here is trying to pump sunshine. Anyone who watched the game saw that it got ugly for a while. However, to run around with hair on fire screaming about the Apocalypse is a little premature at this point.

People are afraid to excited only to have their guts ripped out. I get it. However, there is no reason to expect the worst either. Every team has weaknesses. The Texans have weaknesses. For 2 quarters the Dolphins did a good job of exposing some of them. It's on film and the team will see the ugliness in the film room. :firehair:
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Every other team in the NFL will see it too. One good thing about our schedule is that it gets decidely easier after the bye.
 
fiasco west

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Pantherstang84 said:
I don't think anyone here is trying to pump sunshine. Anyone who watched the game saw that it got ugly for a while. However, to run around with hair on fire screaming about the Apocalypse is a little premature at this point.

People are afraid to excited only to have their guts ripped out. I get it. However, there is no reason to expect the worst either. Every team has weaknesses. The Texans have weaknesses. For 2 quarters the Dolphins did a good job of exposing some of them. It's on film and the team will see the ugliness in the film room. :firehair:
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Agreed.

I'm just as paranoid as the next guy. The Texans have started off 2-0 before, still though to not be satisfied over a solid road win where the Texans defense held the opponent to 13 points is surprising to me. It's not like the Texans won on some fluke play.

I don't think there is a reason to worry yet UNTIL they play a supposedly elite team like the Saints and Steelers and look bad against those teams.
 
Shaft75

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Yeah, Winston had a piss poor day. I'm sure he recognizes that and will improve on it.

I think OD should have at least chipped Taylor on the play Schaub went down. Even if it wasn't his responsibility, it was a 5 step drop and Jason T is still pretty quick off the edge. But D Brown should have saved his tantrum for the sideline.
 
welsh texan

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Would Rashad Butler do any better than Winston if he was given a shot there? Seems as if everyone is saying how bad Winston is but nobody has mentioned one of the better backup swing tackles in the league is sat on our roster.

My thought is that OK, Eric played poorly today, but at least you know that is as bad as he gets, he isn't going to get completely dominated on every single play, and he knows when to hold to keep his QB safe if he is getting beat.

I also think some credit should go to Miami's pass rush today, Schaub felt a lot of pressure and I was particularly impressed by their timing, often seeming like they were offsides because they were running as the ball came out.

I don't think the 'phins are anywhere near as bad a team as people think, watching their game against the Pats last week they managed to keep them fairly honest until late on in the game, their D-line is good and their offense tends to get some good rhythm going and they can move the ball on you.

A sterner test awaits next week and I sure as hell hope the coaches are lighting a fire under the players' arses when they get into work this morning because there are plenty of things to improve upon but overall you can't complain with 2-0, much as you can't make excuses when the W-L is the wrong way round.
 
Corrosion

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I really think the Fish came out with a better plan in the second half .... those corner blitzes on play action were great design. Thats probably the single best way to combat how the Texans roll Schaub out to the weak side on PA.


If you send 8 with 5 blockers , I expect you to get there ..... Just be glad none of those resulted in turnovers or Schaub getting hurt.

The Fish also held the Texans in check on 3rd down and did a real good job in the red zone.

Give credit where credit is due.

If I blame the OL for anything in yesterdays game , its all the penalties that set up 1st or 2nd & 20. Those are drive killers.

Makes me wonder how Walter being missing impacted the game.
 
BlueSteel

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What came first...

-A very solid pass rush from the Dolphins D

or

- Our "horrible" Oline

In my opinion they are still getting the job done and win games by doing solid run and pass blocking. I did not see a huge drop off from last year, it does appear that Winston is struggling for some reason though.
 
DocBar

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BlueSteel said:
What came first...

-A very solid pass rush from the Dolphins D

or

- Our "horrible" Oline

In my opinion they are still getting the job done and win games by doing solid run and pass blocking. I did not see a huge drop off from last year, it does appear that Winston is struggling for some reason though.
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Winston moght be struggling because he visits here and caught a glimpse of your avatar. That avatar is wrong on several levels.
 
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