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I guess Kubiak isn't happy with our WR's??

Errant Hothy

Errant Hothy

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Could make a servicable 4th WR, since nobody seems to be stepping up and taking the job during the pre-season.
 
HOU-TEX

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Is it just me, or is anyone else still trying to figure out why we re-signed Jacoby? He's about as unreliable as you can get imo. I understand there have been some tough throws his way, but the WR is a skill position. Skill positions are supposed to make plays. His tiny stone hands aren't going to cut it. I know it's difficult to find things to ***** about offensively, but it drives me nuts watching him drop ball after ball

I don't blame them for bringing players in. Imo, we need improvement from the #3-5.
 
michaelm

michaelm

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Hou-Tex,

IMO, one of the most important attributes that Kubiak wants in his receivers is knowledge of the system. This offense relies heavily on reads, and it is important for the WR to see the same defense, make the correct read, and run the route that the QB expects him to run. Many, if not most routes we run have options based on reads made at the line of scrimmage. That, to me, is the number one reason that Kubiak wants continuity on offense, and also why our young receivers have a hard time getting on the field.
Kubiak has to really trust a receivers knowledge of the system before he gets much playing time.
 
Errant Hothy

Errant Hothy

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HOU-TEX said:
Is it just me, or is anyone else still trying to figure out why we re-signed Jacoby? He's about as unreliable as you can get imo. I understand there have been some tough throws his way, but the WR is a skill position. Skill positions are supposed to make plays. His tiny stone hands aren't going to cut it. I know it's difficult to find things to ***** about offensively, but it drives me nuts watching him drop ball after ball

I don't blame them for bringing players in. Imo, we need improvement from the #3-5.
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Yes, JJ's hands are a bit questionable; but there is one thing he does for this offense; he stretched the field vertically. Even if there is a chance of him dropping the pass, CBs have to stay with JJ when he goes deep opening things up for AJ, OD and Foster underneath.

Just becasue JJ is the #3 WR does not mean he is the third pass catching option. And the 4th WR is even further down the list.
 
b0ng

b0ng

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Probably a sign that the UDFAs aren't impressing in practice/games like they were hoping.
 
steelbtexan

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Hopefully they sign one of the Packers WR's when they get cut. They are very deep at WR. West and Gurley are massive upgrades over any WR on the Texans not named AJ. They are also upgrades on ST's.

Bryant Johnson stinks
 
XI CMURDER IX

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He was a decent receiver in his days a San Fran and Detroit. Just needs a quarterback and maybe he can be a 4th on the depth chart. Could play outside on some downs.
 
sandman

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steelbtexan said:
Hopefully they sign one of the Packers WR's when they get cut. They are very deep at WR. West and Gurley are massive upgrades over any WR on the Texans not named AJ. They are also upgrades on ST's.

Bryant Johnson stinks
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West, as in the WR from Fresno State that has never caught a single pass in a real NFL game?

From NFL.com:

Pick Analysis: West is a good-sized receiver with very average speed who knows how to run routes and set up defenders. He does a good job of gaining a step of separation at this level with his crisp routes and little head-and-shoulder fakes, but he will struggle at the next level. He builds to speed and does not show a big burst coming out of his break and won't be much of a threat down the seam in the NFL. He does a good job of reading coverages and finding the soft spots in zones and is a natural receiver. He can adjust to slightly off-target throws and has a wide receiving radius.

And Gurley? A rookie from South Carolina?

Pick Analysis: Gurley is a wide receiver in a tight end's body that could develop into a quality reserve at the next level. He is not exactly fast, but he is a long strider that can stretch the field down the seam. He uses his great length to make catches even when he is covered, but he does not have reliable hands. He also is a bit stiff in the hips and lacks the fluidity to get open in man coverage. Gurley is tough kid that seeks out contact as a blocker and works the middle of the field which makes him an attractive later round prospect.

Seriously, these guys would be equivalent to Dickerson and Jean on the Texans, but you presume that they would be a "massive" upgrade over Walter, who has averaged 60 catches and 750 yards over the last four seasons??
 
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I think it's very difficult for any of the WR's (Jean, Tolliver, Dickerson, Maehl, etc...) to distinguish themselves when they play with the #2 or #3 QB's who don't seem to throw the ball down the field. Leinart seems to be checking down to the RB quickly, this may also be the fault of the backup O-line not giving good protection.
 
steelbtexan

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sandman said:
West, as in the WR from Fresno State that has never caught a single pass in a real NFL game?

From NFL.com:

Pick Analysis: West is a good-sized receiver with very average speed who knows how to run routes and set up defenders. He does a good job of gaining a step of separation at this level with his crisp routes and little head-and-shoulder fakes, but he will struggle at the next level. He builds to speed and does not show a big burst coming out of his break and won't be much of a threat down the seam in the NFL. He does a good job of reading coverages and finding the soft spots in zones and is a natural receiver. He can adjust to slightly off-target throws and has a wide receiving radius.

And Gurley? A rookie from South Carolina?

Pick Analysis: Gurley is a wide receiver in a tight end's body that could develop into a quality reserve at the next level. He is not exactly fast, but he is a long strider that can stretch the field down the seam. He uses his great length to make catches even when he is covered, but he does not have reliable hands. He also is a bit stiff in the hips and lacks the fluidity to get open in man coverage. Gurley is tough kid that seeks out contact as a blocker and works the middle of the field which makes him an attractive later round prospect.

Seriously, these guys would be equivalent to Dickerson and Jean on the Texans, but you presume that they would be a "massive" upgrade over Walter, who has averaged 60 catches and 750 yards over the last four seasons??
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West didn't look slow returning a kickoff for a touchdown. Or catching a 95 yd TD. Gurley is a really good gunner on ST's.

They upgrade ST's and have shown more potential at WR than Dickerson, Maehl etc....

Do you just read scouting reports and not watch games? And no I'm not a Walter fan. He's just a bigger DA. IMHO You cant win big with KW as your @ 2 WR.
 
sandman

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steelbtexan said:
West didn't look slow returning a kickoff for a touchdown. Or catching a 95 yd TD. Gurley is a really good gunner on ST's.

They upgrade ST's and have shown have potential at WR than Dickerson, Maehl etc....
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Oh, I'll admit a level of disappointment in the WR's fighting for those 4/5 spots. Lots of talent and potential there that just doesn't seem to be translating into games. Bringing others in at this stage of the game to press them is not a bad idea.

I was simply taking umbrage to your statement that these two players were massive upgrades over Walter and JJ, based on the play of a few pre-season games.

Did you know that Walter and JJ had almost the EXACT same production as the SB-winning Green Bay 2/3 receivers? So how are these two rookies not better than Driver and James Jones (based on your hoping they get cut), but massive upgrades over Walter and JJ?
 
steelbtexan

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Driver was hurt and didn't play a full season like Walter and JJ. So the numbers are a bit skewed. I like Walter as a # 3 or 4 WR. Just not as a #2.

I'm not really comparing West and Gurley to KW and JJ. Although with experience they could be better. IMHO (Not this yr.) But they bring more to the table as # 4-5 WR's than Jean/Maehl/Tolliver because of ST value. IMHO
 
TimeKiller

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HOU-TEX said:
Is it just me, or is anyone else still trying to figure out why we re-signed Jacoby? He's about as unreliable as you can get imo. I understand there have been some tough throws his way, but the WR is a skill position. Skill positions are supposed to make plays. His tiny stone hands aren't going to cut it. I know it's difficult to find things to ***** about offensively, but it drives me nuts watching him drop ball after ball

I don't blame them for bringing players in. Imo, we need improvement from the #3-5.
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I still am. Dude has hands like granite. And as far as catching passes goes, it's all about hand/eye co-ordination. I garauntee you two things 1 my hands are smaller than JJ's 2 I have better hands than JJ.

And the MYTH about him being a vertical spacer for the offense is dumb. They rely on short passes and zone runs. He can't catch short passes and he's not a back. Soooooo.........way to run fast down the field every 10th play? Good job, at least you didn't drop anything. Except Al Davis' jaw....


michaelm said:
Hou-Tex,

IMO, one of the most important attributes that Kubiak wants in his receivers is knowledge of the system. This offense relies heavily on reads, and it is important for the WR to see the same defense, make the correct read, and run the route that the QB expects him to run. Many, if not most routes we run have options based on reads made at the line of scrimmage. That, to me, is the number one reason that Kubiak wants continuity on offense, and also why our young receivers have a hard time getting on the field.
Kubiak has to really trust a receivers knowledge of the system before he gets much playing time.
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If it were that big of a deal, David Anderson is probably still on this team....
 
michaelm

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TimeKiller said:
If it were that big of a deal, David Anderson is probably still on this team....
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Unless Kubiak believes that Dickerson knows the offense good enough, but has more upside.

It's obviously not a case of a player knowing the offense, excluding any other attribute.
That's not what I was suggesting. Dickerson hasn't seen the field very much, and I don't think it's because the staff doubts his ability. I think Kubiak just wanted him to know the scheme better.

David Anderson was a bottle rocket that had long since reached it's zenith (and a low one at that).
As soon as Kubiak thought Dickerson was ready from a playbook perspective, his potential overshadowed anything DA could bring to the table.
 
srrono

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Former Lions WR Bryant Johnson signed a 1-year contract with the Texans.
 
Lucky

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Um, OK. Interesting factoid: Bryant Johnson as never had a 100+ yard receiving game in his 8 season career.
 
TexanSam

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So who's on the bubble of getting cut? Looks like either Dickerson or Lestar Jean won't be making the team.
 
Nawzer

Nawzer

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I've always thought Bryant Johnson was a solid NFL receiver. He may have had a better career were he not playing behind Larry Fitzgerald and Anquan Boldin in Arizona. I think this is a solid add to the team. Not only should we expect to see either Lestar Jean or Dorin Dickerson get cut, but if I'm Jacoby Jones I'm a bit worried.
 
DocBar

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Nawzer said:
I've always thought Bryant Johnson was a solid NFL receiver. He may have had a better career were he not playing behind Larry Fitzgerald and Anquan Boldin in Arizona. I think this is a solid add to the team. Not only should we expect to see either Lestar Jean or Dorin Dickerson get cut, but if I'm Jacoby Jones I'm a bit worried.
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I noticed you didn't mention Steve Breaston. He had a 1,000 yd season with both Fitz and Boldin on the team.
 
Trail.Blazr

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Detroit fans dubbed him Drop-timus Prime... Not too many tears being shed from the motor city that I can tell.
 
OzzO

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Well, that was quick. Didn't he just tweet (twit?) the other day he was flying to talk with the Texans? Kubiak was asked about bringing a player in on 610 this afternoon and he mentioned that is was kinda "quiet" and no names were mentioned.
 
Nawzer

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DocBar said:
I noticed you didn't mention Steve Breaston. He had a 1,000 yd season with both Fitz and Boldin on the team.
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That's why I said he's a solid receiver not anything special. Not that getting 1000 yds receiving automatically makes you special, but he's a vet who gives us a nice insurance policy should anything happen to our starting 3.
 
DocBar

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Nawzer said:
That's why I said he's a solid receiver not anything special. Not that getting 1000 yds receiving automatically makes you special, but he's a vet who gives us a nice insurance policy should anything happen to our starting 3.
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ummmm...ok. Put me in the unimpressed group.
 
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PHAROAH said:
He is better than Jacoby Jones & Kevin Walters.
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Better than KW, really. I'm not letting that one slide by.

K Dub is a solid WR, he stays on the field, blocks, and catches almost everything thrown his way. AJ's had some good years with 83 on the otherwise of the field.
 
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