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Is moving Quinn To Safety smart ?

Secondary options you prefer.

  • Manning and Quinn at Safety/ Joseph and Allen at CB

    Votes: 44 49.4%

  • Manning and Quinn at Safety/ Joseph and Jackson at CB

    Votes: 28 31.5%

  • Nolan and Manning at Safety/ Joseph and Quinn at CB

    Votes: 11 12.4%

  • Manning and Quinn at safety/ Joseph and "rookie" at CB

    Votes: 6 6.7%
  • Total voters
    89
EllisUnit

EllisUnit

Vote RED!!!
I have been thinking. Troy Nolan played pretty well for us at safety last season, now that we also have manning wouldnt it seem to make more sense to leave Quinn at CB along with Joseph and have Nolan and Manning at Safety.

I like J. Allen and think he will be our #2 CB but i hear a lot of negativity from poster on here about him. And i just dont think K. Jac is ready/has what it takes. So was curious if moving him to safety since he has been our best CB since D-Rob left is a smart move ?
 
I think it is the correct move. He is a good #2 Cb but I think he will be even better as a safety in this defense. He will make whoever is #2 CB better. As Manning is better, I would not be surprised to see Quin behind Joseph and Manning behind #2 corner.
 
EllisUnit said:
I have been thinking. Troy Nolan played pretty well for us at safety last season, now that we also have manning wouldnt it seem to make more sense to leave Quinn at CB along with Joseph and have Nolan and Manning at Safety.

I like J. Allen and think he will be our #2 CB but i hear a lot of negativity from poster on here about him. And i just dont think is ready/has what it takes. So was curious if moving him to safety since he has been our best CB since D-Rob left is a smart move ?
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When he came out, a lot of people (including Lance Z) assumed they'd be moving him to safety because they thought that would be his natural position.

I don't think that Troy Nolan played "pretty well" for us last year. I think he actually played pretty poorly. And that was tough for me to say because I had high hopes for Nolan and when Eugene Wilson got injured, my reaction was that it would be good because it would give Nolan his chance to get on the field in a game situation and show what he can do. (He's more of a gamer than a practice player.) But he didn't step up. He's a big reason our secondary was so bad last year.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
When he came out, a lot of people (including Lance Z) assumed they'd be moving him to safety because they thought that would be his natural position.

I don't think that Troy Nolan played "pretty well" for us last year. I think he actually played pretty poorly. And that was tough for me to say because I had high hopes for Nolan and when Eugene Wilson got injured, my reaction was that it would be good because it would give Nolan his chance to get on the field in a game situation and show what he can do. (He's more of a gamer than a practice player.) But he didn't step up. He's a big reason our secondary was so bad last year.
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hmmm from what i saw last season he played pretty well. i think all the skill is there, the speed, toughness, the want to. He has descent coverage skills imo.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
I don't think that Troy Nolan played "pretty well" for us last year. I think he actually played pretty poorly. And that was tough for me to say because I had high hopes for Nolan and when Eugene Wilson got injured, my reaction was that it would be good because it would give Nolan his chance to get on the field in a game situation and show what he can do. (He's more of a gamer than a practice player.) But he didn't step up. He's a big reason our secondary was so bad last year.
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Agree. Troy Nolan was not any better as a safety than the crap we trotted out there most games. Having my druthers, you are looking at Quinn and Manning at safety with Joseph and the best of the rest at CB.
 
Not if Kareem Jackson keeps falling down ..... and giving up big plays to practice squad guy's.


I'd almost prefer to see Quin line up as the second corner but with K Jax being first round pick , he's gonna be given a whole lot more opportunity than he deserves to start.

And then .... is Nolan the best guy for the job should Quin stay at CB ? If he couldnt beat out Pollard and Wilson last season .... that doesnt speak well for him starting this season.

BTW its Quin with One N.
 
:kubepalm: yeah i need to become a sports writer with all my knowledge of how players names are spelled.

It appeared to me last season that Nolan had beaten out wilson, i think they were still rotating them quite a bit cause we sucked in all phases but i saw him get a lot more playing time as the season went on.
 
EllisUnit said:
hmmm from what i saw last season he played pretty well. i think all the skill is there, the speed, toughness, the want to. He has descent coverage skills imo.
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No one in the Texans secondary played "Pretty Well" last season ..... every last one of them sucked more than a $20 whore....
 
EllisUnit said:
i work in the oilfield 20$ can get ya some aight stuff ;)
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5 minutes later she's done with you and on to the next one ..... :kitten:


As for Nolan getting more PT , sure he did. Because they had no one else to throw back there .... when Wilson went down.
 
badboy said:
I think it is the correct move. He is a good #2 Cb but I think he will be even better as a safety in this defense. He will make whoever is #2 CB better. As Manning is better, I would not be surprised to see Quin behind Joseph and Manning behind #2 corner.
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Ditto, that's my thinking as well.
 
EllisUnit said:
It appeared to me last season that Nolan had beaten out wilson, i think they were still rotating them quite a bit cause we sucked in all phases but i saw him get a lot more playing time as the season went on.
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He got more playing time and he really did not much to show that he was any better than the washed up zombie of eugene wilson unfortunately. I was really excited by what Nolan did in one game (I forget which game it was, but it seemed like it was earlier in the season), and the more he played the more he was exploited.
 
Corrosion said:
Not if Kareem Jackson keeps falling down ..... and giving up big plays to practice squad guy's.


I'd almost prefer to see Quin line up as the second corner but with K Jax being first round pick , he's gonna be given a whole lot more opportunity than he deserves to start.

And then .... is Nolan the best guy for the job should Quin stay at CB ? If he couldnt beat out Pollard and Wilson last season .... that doesnt speak well for him starting this season.

BTW its Quin with One N.
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Nolan started taking time away from the starting safeties last season. He played a little as strong and a little free. Even when Wilson was healthy enough to play, Nolan still took a lot of his snaps.
 
Rey said:
Nolan started taking time away from the starting safeties last season. He played a little as strong and a little free. Even when Wilson was healthy enough to play, Nolan still took a lot of his snaps.
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thats what i was thinking
 
Rey said:
Nolan started taking time away from the starting safeties last season. He played a little as strong and a little free. Even when Wilson was healthy enough to play, Nolan still took a lot of his snaps.
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That said more about Pollard & Wilson than Nolan.


Nolan looked good in the preseason, against 2s & 3s.

When he got out there with the real deal, he looked like Wilson & Pollard.
 
thunderkyss said:
That said more about Pollard & Wilson than Nolan.


Nolan looked good in the preseason, against 2s & 3s.

When he got out there with the real deal, he looked like Wilson & Pollard.
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Actually he had a good game against the raiders. I thought that for essentially being a rookie he did an ok job. He wasn't a world beater, but he did ok.

And for the record I don't think our safeties were as bad as they were made out to be. Wilson had been ok in the years he was here before the past one, and Bernard was an impact player in his first year here.

I think that last years defense was just Clusterfu&@. Kareem Jackson isn't the only player who was affected by poor coaching.
 
Troy Nolan did not play well for the Texans last year. Any situation in which he is starting for us is not good. He is a liability plain and simple.
 
ATXtexanfan said:
quinn to safety good idea. jackson starting week one, bad idea. jackson has to be rebuilt from the ground up
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^^This^^

Yesterday Jacskon gets beaten on a double move by an UDFA , today beaten by a practice squad guy .... This isnt good news.


I just wonder who would get the nod at CB2 if its not Jackson .... is it Allen ? or one of the rookies ?!


I get the feling that Jackson will get the starting nod unless one of those others really shows well and he flat out fails. Someone is gonna have to take that job from him convincingly.

thunderkyss said:
That said more about Pollard & Wilson than Nolan.


Nolan looked good in the preseason, against 2s & 3s.

When he got out there with the real deal, he looked like Wilson & Pollard.
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Yep .... It didn tmatter who they had back there , they all looked the same to me accept the name and number on the jersey.
 
So some of you say K. Jac was a rookie he deserves another shot, so whats so different about Nolan. His first season of true playing time and i can tell you he looked 50% better than K. Jac, oh well i like it with Quin and Manning then Joseph and Allen
 
Corrosion said:
^^This^^

Yesterday Jacskon gets beaten on a double move by an UDFA , today beaten by a practice squad guy .... This isnt good news.


I just wonder who would get the nod at CB2 if its not Jackson .... is it Allen ? or one of the rookies ?!


I get the feling that Jackson will get the starting nod unless one of those others really shows well and he flat out fails. Someone is gonna have to take that job from him convincingly.



Yep .... It didn tmatter who they had back there , they all looked the same to me accept the name and number on the jersey.
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Allen did pick off Schaub today ;)
 
EllisUnit said:
So some of you say K. Jac was a rookie he deserves another shot, so whats so different about Nolan. His first season of true playing time and i can tell you he looked 50% better than K. Jac, oh well i like it with Quin and Manning then Joseph and Allen
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The difference, IMO, is that KJ's problem is technique while Nolan's main problem is horrible instincts.

At safety, you cannot start if you have poor instincts, angles, or spacial awareness. Nolan struggles with all three, significantly.

KJ sounds like he needs some serious coaching. His technique is poor enough to not allow him to utilize his athletic ability. That can be fixed, can be coached.

Poor instincts cannot be coached.
 
TexansSeminole said:
The difference, IMO, is that KJ's problem is technique while Nolan's main problem is horrible instincts.

At safety, you cannot start if you have poor instincts, angles, or spacial awareness. Nolan struggles with all three, significantly.

KJ sounds like he needs some serious coaching. His technique is poor enough to not allow him to utilize his athletic ability. That can be fixed, can be coached.

Poor instincts cannot be coached.
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Double post.
 
TexansSeminole said:
The difference, IMO, is that KJ's problem is technique while Nolan's main problem is horrible instincts.

At safety, you cannot start if you have poor instincts, angles, or spacial awareness. Nolan struggles with all three, significantly.

KJ sounds like he needs some serious coaching. His technique is poor enough to not allow him to utilize his athletic ability. That can be sized, can be coached.

Poor instincts cannot be coached.
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Nolans instincts are fine.

Anyways if he struggled with all that and he still looked better than kj, then what does that say about kj?

I don't understand this thought process that kj is one of the only players that stand to improve with better coaching.
 
TexansSeminole said:
The difference, IMO, is that KJ's problem is technique while Nolan's main problem is horrible instincts.

At safety, you cannot start if you have poor instincts, angles, or spacial awareness. Nolan struggles with all three, significantly.

KJ sounds like he needs some serious coaching. His technique is poor enough to not allow him to utilize his athletic ability. That can be fixed, can be coached.

Poor instincts cannot be coached.
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i dunno Nolan had what 3 ints, and that last one of the season looked pretty good. He also recorded a sack. Seemed to me he was always in position to make a play.
 
TexansSeminole said:
The difference, IMO, is that KJ's problem is technique while Nolan's main problem is horrible instincts.

At safety, you cannot start if you have poor instincts, angles, or spacial awareness. Nolan struggles with all three, significantly.

KJ sounds like he needs some serious coaching. His technique is poor enough to not allow him to utilize his athletic ability. That can be fixed, can be coached.

Poor instincts cannot be coached.
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Technique is a part of KJ's problems .... but a lack of straight line speed just compounds it.

I think he's a nickle guy at best .... but thats just my opinion.
 
EllisUnit said:
i dunno Nolan had what 3 ints, and that last one of the season looked pretty good. He also recorded a sack. Seemed to me he was always in position to make a play.
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Agree to disagree again I suppose. Positioning is Nolan's biggest weakness. Poor positioning resulting from poor instincts, angles, and spacial recognition.

Nolan was consistently picked on last year. On quite a few occasions, Nolan ended up behind the corner when playing deep zone. Many times he overran ball carriers along the sidelines, or misread the trajectory of the ball.
 
Those are our options at CB? :kubepalm: It's going to be a really long year.

Joseph is the only solid option we have. Quin is decent, a #3 (our best last year).

The front 7 better bring it.
 
Corrosion said:
Technique is a part of KJ's problems .... but a lack of straight line speed just compounds it.

I think he's a nickle guy at best .... but thats just my opinion.
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Who knows. Im not a huge fan of Jackson but he's more valuable than both Allen and Nolan IMO.

There are alot of successful corners with comparable athletic ability to Jackson. They are successful due to technique. KJ will have to be one of those guys that CANNOT afford to take a misstep. He needs to really work on his technique.

Rey said:
I don't understand this thought process that kj is one of the only players that stand to improve with better coaching.
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That's not what is being stated.

Some things can be coached, some things cannot. Technique is an issue that can be fixed through coaching. Poor instincts cannot be fixed, only dimmed with athletic ability. If someone takes bad angles consistently, it is naive to think that it will change. Angles taken to ball carriers come from instincts. Spacial awareness comes from instincts. It boils down to what can be coached and what cannot be coached.
 
TexansSeminole said:
Who knows. Im not a huge fan of Jackson but he's more valuable than both Allen and Nolan IMO.

There are alot of successful corners with comparable athletic ability to Jackson. They are successful due to technique. KJ will have to be one of those guys that CANNOT afford to take a misstep. He needs to really work on his technique.



That's not what is being stated.

Some things can be coached, some things cannot. Technique is an issue that can be fixed through coaching. Poor instincts cannot be fixed, only dimmed with athletic ability. If someone takes bad angles consistently, it is naive to think that it will change. Angles taken to ball carriers come from instincts. Spacial awareness comes from instincts. It boils down to what can be coached and what cannot be coached.
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what is this based on ??? If we go off of last season not true, J. Allen outplayed K. Jac in every aspect last season. Would rather have last years allen on the field than last years K. Jac.
 
EllisUnit said:
what is this based on ??? If we go off of last season not true, J. Allen outplayed K. Jac in every aspect last season. Would rather have last years allen on the field than last years K. Jac.
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Why do you keep asking this question? It's based on what I saw and my opinion. That is what it is always based on. Who is good and who is not is, for the most part, opinion. I don't understand the use of this question.
 
Rey said:
And for the record I don't think our safeties were as bad as they were made out to be. Wilson had been ok in the years he was here before the past one, and Bernard was an impact player in his first year here.

I think that last years defense was just Clusterfu&@...

...poor coaching.
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Agreed.

I've been saying in 2009, they let the guys do what they were brought here to do. In 2010 they tried to cover their weaknesses instead of play to their strengths.

Hopefully Wade won't be that foolish. I thought we were a talented squad, on both sides of the ball in 2010. After the draft & the last week.. even more so.
 
TexansSeminole said:
Troy Nolan did not play well for the Texans last year. Any situation in which he is starting for us is not good. He is a liability plain and simple.
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He was basically a red-shirted 7th round pick.

We don't know how good he's going to be.
 
Rey said:
Nolans instincts are fine.

Anyways if he struggled with all that and he still looked better than kj, then what does that say about kj?

I don't understand this thought process that kj is one of the only players that stand to improve with better coaching.
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They really need to let us rep people more frequently.
 
thunderkyss said:
He was basically a red-shirted 7th round pick.

We don't know how good he's going to be.
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I mean, that can be said about anyone.

My point is that he lacks the first thing you need, instincts.

Compare him to Jackson. Jackson displayed good instincts, especially when he was put in a position to play short zone against corners. He showed an ability to jump routes, based on instincts. Sometimes it was a little bit early, but that happens. His problems came from technique, and as Corrosion says he doesn't have the athletic ability to make up for it. He can't take a misstep and expect to catch up to a receiver.

This was evident when he played too close to receivers as his balance was very poor last year. Any misstep and he was stumbling and/or losing ground on the receiver immediately. That can be fixed.

A side note about the stumbling and falling down. It looks to me like Jackson's feet aren't doing what his mind wants them to do. He takes a misstep and immediately tries to make up for it causing him to lose balance. IMO with good technique he could be successful.

Nolan just plain misreads things.

Just my opinion, but Jackson looks alot more coachable than does Nolan.
 
TexansSeminole said:
Some things can be coached, some things cannot. Technique is an issue that can be fixed through coaching. Poor instincts cannot be fixed, only dimmed with athletic ability. If someone takes bad angles consistently, it is naive to think that it will change. Angles taken to ball carriers come from instincts. Spacial awareness comes from instincts. It boils down to what can be coached and what cannot be coached.
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Well that wasn't even the main part of my post. I disagree that a player with poor instincts makes some of the plays he did last year.

For the limited time he played, he made more plays than Jackson did all year. If his instincts are poor then Jacksons are are none.

And angles taken on ball carriers is something that is coached when a player consistent takes bad angles (which I don't know if Nolan did or didn't do). As a lb and db your are coached on your angles on the field and definitely in the film room. That statement you made is just flat out incorrect.
 
Actually d linemen are coached on angles as well. Angles are constantly being talked about and coached.
 
Rey said:
For the limited time he played, he made more plays than Jackson did all year. If his instincts are poor then Jacksons are are none.
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Disagree. What plays? Nolan had 3 INTs, Jackson had 2 INTs.

Rey said:
And angles taken on ball carriers is something that is coached when a player consistent takes bad angles (which I don't know if Nolan did or didn't do). As a lb and db your are coached on your angles on the field and definitely in the film room. That statement you made is just flat out incorrect.
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Nolan consistently took poor angles. Obviously, a coach tries to improve every aspect, but not every aspect is easily improved. If a guy doesn't understand basic angles and is not able to calculate and implement them on the spot he shouldn't be playing in the NFL.

I'm not saying every player takes perfect angles every time, but when a guy is taking poor angles almost every play there is a significant problem that will not be easily fixed, if ever.

Rey said:
Actually d linemen are coached on angles as well. Angles are constantly being talked about and coached.
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Everything is coached.

If your a manager, and your subordinate yells at a customer, you tell him not to do it. However, if he doesn't already understand not to do that then there is a significant problem.

Same goes for football. If a guy takes bad angles consistently, you will tell him how to fix it. After awhile, you realize it isn't something you can really coach out of the guy.

It's the same concept.

Instincts are natural. They cannot be completely changed through coaching. Technique can be completely changed through coaching.

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To add to this, angles rely on instincts. You cannot coach every angle that needs to be taken. Eventually, I guy needs to have the instincts to take an angle on the fly. If its something that is always harped on by coaches and is consistently being botched, then there is a serious problem.
 
TexansSeminole said:
I mean, that can be said about anyone.

My point is that he lacks the first thing you need, instincts.

Compare him to Jackson. Jackson displayed good instincts...


Just my opinion, but Jackson looks alot more coachable than does Nolan.
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I'm not a one or the other kind of guy. I want both to succeed. We've got to put 53 men on the roster a few weeks from now. I'd like to think they all have potential.

To say one of the 11 guys that sucked on our defense last year is more coachable than another is splitting hairs.

If the question is, do I think we would be better playing Nolan at Safety or Jackson at Corner, I'm going with Jackson at corner.

Now my Safety depth chart looks like:
Manning, Quin, Nolan, Keo

Instead of :
Manning, Nolan, Keo, Barber...

CB:
Joseph, Quin, Jackson, Harris, McMannis, Carmichael, McCain

is only slightly better than

Joseph, Jackson, Harris, McMannis, Carmichael
 
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thunderkyss said:
To say one of the 11 guys that sucked on our defense last year is more coachable than another is splitting hairs.
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I don't agree with that at all.

As I was saying previously, certain aspects to someone's game are easier to coach than others. If you can identify which players struggle with aspects to their game that are more easily coached than others, then you can identify who is more coachable.
 
TexansSeminole said:
Disagree. What plays? Nolan had 3 INTs, Jackson had 2 INTs.



Nolan consistently took poor angles. Obviously, a coach tries to improve every aspect, but not every aspect is easily improved. If a guy doesn't understand basic angles and is not able to calculate and implement them on the spot he shouldn't be playing in the NFL.

I'm not saying every player takes perfect angles every time, but when a guy is taking poor angles almost every play there is a significant problem that will not be easily fixed, if ever.



Everything is coached.

If your a manager, and your subordinate yells at a customer, you tell him not to do it. However, if he doesn't already understand not to do that then there is a significant problem.

Same goes for football. If a guy takes bad angles consistently, you will tell him how to fix it. After awhile, you realize it isn't something you can really coach out of the guy.

It's the same concept.

Instincts are natural. They cannot be completely changed through coaching. Technique can be completely changed through coaching.

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To add to this, angles rely on instincts. You cannot coach every angle that needs to be taken. Eventually, I guy needs to have the instincts to take an angle on the fly. If its something that is always harped on by coaches and is consistently being botched, then there is a serious problem.
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That's not what you said initially. You said it can't be coached and that is not true.

And Nolan didn't play nearly the snaps Jackson did. Not sure how you are overlooking that glaring fact when analyzing their stats.
 
Rey said:
That's not what you said initially. You said it can't be coached and that is not true.

And Nolan didn't play nearly the snaps Jackson did. Not sure how you are overlooking that glaring fact when analyzing their stats.
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I was speaking more toward the severity of the problem, specifically from Nolan.

Let me rephrase the overall argument by saying that consistently taking poor angles is much more difficult to fix than poor technique.
 
TexansSeminole said:
I mean, that can be said about anyone.

My point is that he lacks the first thing you need, instincts.

Compare him to Jackson. Jackson displayed good instincts, especially when he was put in a position to play short zone against corners. He showed an ability to jump routes, based on instincts. Sometimes it was a little bit early, but that happens. His problems came from technique, and as Corrosion says he doesn't have the athletic ability to make up for it. He can't take a misstep and expect to catch up to a receiver.

This was evident when he played too close to receivers as his balance was very poor last year. Any misstep and he was stumbling and/or losing ground on the receiver immediately. That can be fixed.

A side note about the stumbling and falling down. It looks to me like Jackson's feet aren't doing what his mind wants them to do. He takes a misstep and immediately tries to make up for it causing him to lose balance. IMO with good technique he could be successful.

Nolan just plain misreads things.

Just my opinion, but Jackson looks alot more coachable than does Nolan.
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I just have to agree with Seminole here.
I remember starting a thread evaluating Nolan when we drafted him.
The title or somewhere in the main body line is "The good, the bad, and the ugly".

Inconsistency means that instincts are not great!
It's like a guy who can make some impossible shots in pool, but then he will miss a lot of ordinary shots.
 
TexansSeminole said:
I mean, that can be said about anyone.

My point is that he lacks the first thing you need, instincts.

Compare him to Jackson. Jackson displayed good instincts, especially when he was put in a position to play short zone against corners. He showed an ability to jump routes, based on instincts. Sometimes it was a little bit early, but that happens. His problems came from technique, and as Corrosion says he doesn't have the athletic ability to make up for it. He can't take a misstep and expect to catch up to a receiver.

This was evident when he played too close to receivers as his balance was very poor last year. Any misstep and he was stumbling and/or losing ground on the receiver immediately. That can be fixed.

A side note about the stumbling and falling down. It looks to me like Jackson's feet aren't doing what his mind wants them to do. He takes a misstep and immediately tries to make up for it causing him to lose balance. IMO with good technique he could be successful.

Nolan just plain misreads things.

Just my opinion, but Jackson looks alot more coachable than does Nolan.
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Just my opinion i never even saw him run stride for stride with a WR 15 yards down the field he was 5 yards behind. he did get lucky and the qb under threw and the WR had to slow down to catch the ball and K. Jac caught up. And i only saw him Jump a route one time the whole season. Good instincts would be knowing a WR is doing a double move on him and not fall.
 
Corrosion said:
Technique is a part of KJ's problems .... but a lack of straight line speed just compounds it.

I think he's a nickle guy at best .... but thats just my opinion.
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Agreed

Allen hopefully will start out the season at CB2. But how long will it be before Harris takes over for Allen?

I'm really high on Harris, He's no speed demon and may lack size. But he has instincts that KJ can only dream of having. How is Harris looking this early in camp?
 
TexansSeminole said:
I was speaking more toward the severity of the problem, specifically from Nolan.

Let me rephrase the overall argument by saying that consistently taking poor angles is much more difficult to fix than poor technique.
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I understand what you're saying but angles are a part of technique. They even have a drill for it. It's called pursuit drills. Those aren't just for endurance.

I just can't imagine that Nolan made it to the NFL and not now how to take good angles on the ball carrier.
 
steelbtexan said:
Agreed

Allen hopefully will start out the season at CB2. But how long will it be before Harris takes over for Allen?

I'm really high on Harris, He's no speed demon and may lack size. But he has instincts that KJ can only dream of having. How is Harris looking this early in camp?
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i think we all thought K. Jac had instincts coming out of college, the NFL is a whole new ball game though. ask Jackson. So i am weary of another rookie starting, i mean sure he may be great just dont want to see a repeat of last season.
 
TexansSeminole said:
I was speaking more toward the severity of the problem, specifically from Nolan.

Let me rephrase the overall argument by saying that consistently taking poor angles is much more difficult to fix than poor technique.
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In this case, we're talking about a redshirted 7th round pick playing with limited snaps.

It is very possible that he consistently took bad angles because he's yet to account for NFL Speed.

That can be learned/taught.
 
EllisUnit said:
i think we all thought K. Jac had instincts coming out of college, the NFL is a whole new ball game though. ask Jackson. So i am weary of another rookie starting, i mean sure he may be great just dont want to see a repeat of last season.
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Lots of us were not happy with KJ coming out of the draft ..... Many , myself included wanted Kyle Wilson (who went to the Jets at 29). He has much better speed than Jackson .... speed cant be taught.

Wilson didnt put up great numbers last season (16 tackles , 0 INT 0 FF) but that has more to do with the guy's in front of him than anything else.

I'd swap Jackson for Wilson right now .... :pissed:
 
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