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Buchanon and Babin Benched!

JDTexan

Practice Squad
Radio Sports 610 reporting that Jason Babin and Phillip Buchanon have been benched for Shante Orr and Demarcus Faggins who will start the game against the Bengals. :yahoo:

Again, many more changes needed, but yesterday and today are good starts.

Next, we can work on benching Casserly :challenge
 

JDTexan

Practice Squad
Maybe it is Anderson who will start, but I thought I heard Orr.

I may be wrong. idonno:

All I know, is Babin will be riding the pine to open the game against the Bengals.
 

Runner

Hubcap Diamond
Staff member
rmartin65 said:
why orr? does'nt anderson play there?
Orr replaced Babin during the last game. Anderson is also an OLB, maybe he plays Peek's side.
 

Exascor

Veteran
It's Orr
Three new faces were working with the Texans' first-team defense Tuesday. Shantee Orr lined up at left outside linebacker in place of Jason Babin, while Demarcus Faggins lined up at left cornerback in place of Phillip Buchanon. Rookie Travis Johnson lined up at left defensive end in lace of Gary Walker, who is nursing an injured shoulder.
 

El Tejano

Hall of Fame
Nice. I was just thinking earlier that the decision to fire a coach was nice but it wouldn't upset the mindset of the team. I think this will do. I also would like to see Ioane in a few times more. He seems to make a play or two.
 

GP

Go Texans!
I like the moves....but why is this happening right now?

Why didn't this happen during training camp, or after game 1?

Orr has been solid every time when he's in the game. I think it was the Atlanta game last year when he made a few awesome plays although he was limited in playing time.

And Buchanon should have also been benched after game 1.

Again, it's just more confusing than ever. At what point did Capers just decide to pull the switch? To me, if he makes these two player moves, he knows he should have made them weeks ago or even in training camp.

Is CAPERS really pulling these moves or is it someone above him TELLING him to do this and he gets to be the face? If Capers is doing this, and this is his doings, including the Palmer firing, then he sure waited a heck of a long time to make what he is now trying to say is a logical series of decisions he needed to make.

I still say something's fishy in H-Town, and it ain't the oysters.

If Capers really made all these moves on his own, then on one hand he gets a high-five from me. But the other hand I stick behind my back because he should have made some drastic moves during the preseason. The bad play of Babin and Buchanon didn't just start last week. Any sane person knows that.

BUt, I guess if you're going to fire the OC, you might as well use the momentum and do some more shaking up to show the team that it's not just coaches who are on the bubble.

Go figure.

While he's at it, Capers can admit he should have kept Swinton for kick returns AND punt returns. At least go back and get JJ Moses (if he'd even agree to play for us!). Morency is a joke at KR.
 

El Tejano

Hall of Fame
You know, going back and getting Moses would not be a decision I would laugh at. I would really be happy to see they are doing something to address the issue. It doesn't totally make up for the departure of Swinton but it apologizes.

I know they could get rid of a guy like Lewis Sanders to sign Moses.

I also wonder if this is more due to trying to get ready for the Bengals.
 

Toxicology

Practice Squad
make buchanon somewhat useful. make him return all kickoffs and punts. who cares if he gets hurt. maybe he will do some showtime instead of blowtime.
 

PapaL

Loose Screw
Can we get a really long bench? One that streches very far out of the stadium. Thats where PBuc should be sitting. Way out there.
 

PapaL

Loose Screw
WWJD said:
Faggins isn't much of an upgrade to me.
As long as he can get into a tackling stance, its an upgrade. Doesn't have to actually tackle anyone. Small steps...2 hand touch, tackling stance, actual tackle.
 

stevo3883

Rookie
LCROD said:
Can we get a really long bench? One that streches very far out of the stadium. Thats where PBuc should be sitting. Way out there.


how about an airplane... going to oakland... departing immediately... with him in the cargo hold
 
S

SESupergenius

Guest
This is a direct reflection of Casserly. It slaps him right in the face that these two have been demoted.
 

WWJD

Hall of Fame
Yes I saw him. I seem to remember hearing Faggins name mentioned though on a lot of completions going to the opponents.

Wasn't Faggins the corner covering Randle El (I think it was him) on that one long pass that Ben had 2 minutes to throw the other day? He moved around to his right and threw the ball across the field; the receiver jumped up and caught the ball and the corner looked clueless. Wasn't that Faggins?
 

exclude

Waterboy
WWJD said:
Faggins isn't much of an upgrade to me.
But at least we won't be seeing Buchanon do his style of dancing, er, tackling (this is too strong a word to describe what he was trying to do against Parker, maybe touching is the better term or attempted kissing).
 

Exascor

Veteran
SESupergenius said:
This is a direct reflection of Casserly. It slaps him right in the face that these two have been demoted.
Fangio supposedly made the push for Babin (I'll try to find a source in a few) and I'd bet that Hoke had more than a little input into the Buchanon trade. Even still, I agree it reflects very poorly on CC. That's 2 2nd rounders, 2 3rd rounder and a 4th that just got benched.
 

exclude

Waterboy
WWJD said:
Yes I saw him. I seem to remember hearing Faggins name mentioned though on a lot of completions going to the opponents.

Wasn't Faggins the corner covering Randle El (I think it was him) on that one long pass that Ben had 2 minutes to throw the other day? He moved around to his right and threw the ball across the field; the receiver jumped up and caught the ball and the corner looked clueless. Wasn't that Faggins?
Of course you will cause opposing coaches aren't dumb: why would they throw it to Dunta's side???

And yes Faggins was the DB in question on that particular play, but at least Faggins will hit and go after people. Pbuc would rather kiss the WR than guard his man.
 

PapaL

Loose Screw
Who else would venture to say that Faggins has had a better carrer than PBuc? (Minus the silk pj's of course.) He may not have as many TD's or INT's, but he probably hasnt give up as many either.
 

WWJD

Hall of Fame
Well then they wasted high draft choices on this guy and they are promoting a guy that can tackle but is vulnerable on long passes to being beat.

All you're going to get is people throwing at Faggins all game long and he'll get beat. He'll tackle them sure but after they make 30 yards. I dunno. To me he's average at best.
 

mexican_texan

Furry Tractors
I agree with the faggins move since even Adam Sandler found his weaknesses in the season opener. However, I liked Babin and feel the Texans are giving up too soon. I like his speed, power, and tatoos.
 

exclude

Waterboy
WWJD said:
Well then they wasted high draft choices on this guy and they are promoting a guy that can tackle but is vulnerable on long passes to being beat.

All you're going to get is people throwing at Faggins all game long and he'll get beat. He'll tackle them sure but after they make 30 yards. I dunno. To me he's average at best.

Yes, hes average but PBuc is so way below average. Did you want him instead???

And so what if he gets beat on a busted play in which the QB scrambled and somehow manage to find an open receiver?? That speaks more to Rothlisberger's ability than to how ****** Faggins is. Roy Williams got smoked twice yesterday on deep passes so he must suck huh??? :ok:
 

The Preacher

Waterboy
Five high draft picks for those two guys. :hairpull: My first post ever here admonished most of cc's picks except babin and naturally i got hammered for it. Forgive my pride but I still can't believe he gambled like that for a team with little depth. Now the Titans are rolling with some of those picks. One of which Troupe would be nice to have not to mention the others but we don't want to go there again. Since then the pb debacle has unfolded and apparently the Texans are going backwards while other teams are naturally progressing. Those two picks for pb would have been nice but i guess that is a little too late. Maybe things can turn around. I have been optimistic, but after this benching it is obvious the gambles have been disastrous and the FO must be feeling seriously inadequate about right now.
 

1-3

Waterboy
The Raiders could end up with some pretty nice draft picks after their boy comes over here and stinks up the joint. Can't draw it up much better than that for Oakland. With such a nice O-line draft coming it would suck to have those picks back.
 

Blake

MMQB
The Preacher said:
Five high draft picks for those two guys. :hairpull:
6 total picks in all for those 2 players. 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, for Babin, and 2nd, 3rd, for Phillip.

And now they are on the pine.

Where is the restart button?
 

stevo3883

Rookie
DC_ROCK said:
6 total picks in all for those 2 players. 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, for Babin, and 2nd, 3rd, for Phillip.

And now they are on the pine.

Where is the restart button?
its right under the fire capers button
 

TheOgre

All Pro
DC_ROCK said:
6 total picks in all for those 2 players. 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, for Babin, and 2nd, 3rd, for Phillip.

And now they are on the pine.

Where is the restart button?
We got a 5th back (from the Titans) in the Babin trade though.
 

nunusguy

Hall of Fame
I'm surprised the Texans actually took this action, but my hats off to them
for makng a such a drammatic move in an attempt to turn things around with the organization.
 

ATX

Hall of Fame
Why wasn't Bradford benched as well? Anyway, i'm glad to see Capers do something like this to send a message. You either play hard and do your job or somebody will come in and do it for you. I like that.
 

WWJD

Hall of Fame
exclude said:
Yes, hes average but PBuc is so way below average. Did you want him instead???

And so what if he gets beat on a busted play in which the QB scrambled and somehow manage to find an open receiver?? That speaks more to Rothlisberger's ability than to how ****** Faggins is. Roy Williams got smoked twice yesterday on deep passes so he must suck huh??? :ok:

I'd stick with Buchanon another game and see if he could redeem himself. He's suppose to be this great cover corner so I'd rather see him one more game than see them put somebody out there that you know is going to be a target all game long.

Hey I hope Faggins becomes an All Pro. But I'm expecting the posts to come out asking for his head on a platter if he gets smoked in Cincy.
 

The Preacher

Waterboy
stevo3883 said:
its right under the fire capers button

I hate to say it but to fire Palmer was arrogant, downright shameful in my best Texas accent. :howdy: I wasn't even a huge Palmer fan but it's hard to run an offense without good blocking. :slap:
 

Bubbajwp

All Flopper
The Preacher said:
I hate to say it but to fire Palmer was arrogant, downright shameful in my best Texas accent. :howdy: I wasn't even a huge Palmer fan but it's hard to run an offense without good blocking. :slap:
I wish that they would have gave palmer one shot at having the final say over capers on ofense for one game. I see more running and more sacks in the near future. :crying: :crying:
 

TheOgre

All Pro
I have a feeling we will still see a lot of PB and Babin. Hopefully one of the two turns into a good player.
 

Hervoyel

BUENO!
atxcoolguy said:
Why wasn't Bradford benched as well? Anyway, i'm glad to see Capers do something like this to send a message. You either play hard and do your job or somebody will come in and do it for you. I like that.
Because Bradford had a good game with one heart breaking, soul killing drop that made the entire stadium scream with rage. He dropped one ball that drove a dagger through our hearts but after that he went on to play well. That fits right into the Dom approach of "Come back and keep on fighting".

Also I really believe that we'll see Babin work his way back into the starting lineup unless Orr just really dominates out of the blue. This is an attention getter for both Babin and Buchanon.

Everyone needs to start praying right now that Babin answers the challenge. I'm pretty sure (though not 100% positive) that it's too late for Buchanon. He's in his fourth season so you would think that if he had what it took he'd still be a Raider.

You know the Texans are keeping another Houston football tradition going. As long as I can remember the Raiders were fleecing the Oilers in trades. Looks like they're still good at getting the best of the Houston team.
 

infantrycak

Hall of Fame
Hervoyel said:
Everyone needs to start praying right now that Babin answers the challenge. I'm pretty sure (though not 100% positive) that it's too late for Buchanon. He's in his fourth season so you would think that if he had what it took he'd still be a Raider.
The accountability question I want an answer to (and will probably never get) is who were the architects of the Buchanon trade. Sure Casserly pulled the trigger and made the announcement, but he has NFL scouts and he has the coaches. Was Hoke all excited about this? If so, the tarnish is off his golden halo. If this was Casserly's baby and he delivered to unwanting parents Capers/Hoke, then Casserly's seat needs to have the heat turned up.
 

exclude

Waterboy
Hervoyel said:
Because Bradford had a good game with one heart breaking, soul killing drop that made the entire stadium scream with rage. He dropped one ball that drove a dagger through our hearts but after that he went on to play well. That fits right into the Dom approach of "Come back and keep on fighting".
....

Hmm, those heart breaking, soul killing drops seem to come with amazing regularity for Mister Bradford.

And that acrobatic grab that he caught, that one in which it was thrown STRAIGHT at him but luckily he manage to bobble it and thus create great dramatic effect in such a way that it made you think "Man, that was a great catch" when instant replay showed that it wasn't quite the case, was one of the most breathtaking receptions ever seen in these parts since the days of Haywood Jefferies. I love Corey Bradford !!! :homer:
 

nunusguy

Hall of Fame
infantrycak said:
The accountability question I want an answer to (and will probably never get) is who were the architects of the Buchanon trade. Sure Casserly pulled the trigger and made the announcement, but he has NFL scouts and he has the coaches. Was Hoke all excited about this? If so, the tarnish is off his golden halo. If this was Casserly's baby and he delivered to unwanting parents Capers/Hoke, then Casserly's seat needs to have the heat turned up.
Very goods. I wonder how much Cass really knows about the D side of the game ? I caught him on 610 earlier this year when he fumbled around with a definition of BRs old "46 defense", then finally suggested it was a question better handled by the coaches. That should be a pretty basic question to handle I'd think.
But the heartbreaking thing about these guys who were benched, even if one
of them doesn't bounce back that's the loss of 2 first day picks you never
get any value for. That's 2 players, one of which if not both, who are expected to start or play for you quite a bit over the next 5-10 years. If
both are busts, that's a really big hit to the teams future.
 
It seems to me this is kind of like when the government botched in their efforts to help after Hurricane Katrina.

remember when fearless leader, President BUSH said, "We're gonna investigate into it to and figure out what went RIGHT and what went WRONG"

(and everyone was thinking to themselves, NOTHING WENT RIGHT!)

They should do an investigation into who did the (drafting/draft deals/picked who to sign in FA) and they should figure out what went RIGHT and what went WRONG.

Chris Palmer was like the FEMA director, and was an easy first target. (I'm not sure if he was a JUDGE at horse shows though?) but we've gotta work our way up until we've replaced all the numb-skulls with some guys that aren't afraid to do SOMETHING, instead of waiting weeks to send help. Just like our Front Office waiting 4 YEARS to fix the offensive line.

I'll admit, after making my donations to the Katrina fund, I was still feeling helpless, ticked off and frustrated with the way things were run by the BIG guys upstairs (government/Congress). Its the exact same feeling I feel with the Texans. Its just sick really, how these guys still have jobs after diddling for this long.
 

infantrycak

Hall of Fame
The Buchanon transaction I am more focused on than some moves in part because Hoke's status has been elevated to god recently around here and it seems to me if you are trying to decide whether a 1st round talent is a bust or can be coached up, you would talk to the guy who is going to have to coach him up and I will bet that guy had a strong opinion one way or the other. That's my $50,000 question--what side of the fence was Hoke on and was it listened to?
 

thegr8fan

Rookie
All you're going to get is people throwing at Faggins all game long and he'll get beat. He'll tackle them sure but after they make 30 yards.
and this is different from what teams did to P-Buc, HOW??? :rolleyes:

Faggins is a pretty good CB. I am glad to see him getting a shot at proving it. Yeah, when the QB gets 10-15 seconds he does throw a good pass and Faggins got burnt, so give me a list of CB's who can cover their man for 10-15 seconds EVERY TIME?

some of the knocks on Faggins aren't really his fault even. Other players sometimes have the longer zone responsibility's.

P-Buc is a bust at this point and time. What are our options, leave him in there and hope he gets better or put in our nickel and dime CB Faggins. Who is probably a starter on some teams in the NFL, IMHO.

As for the Babin move, you gotta be kidding right? I hope Orr is another 'diamond in the rough'. Or the only message Capers will be sending is 'we can't do it with you and we can't do it without you, Babin. So play however you please, but please play', IMHO.
 
yah, but a top 15 pick is pretty hard to screw up.

look at the other guys available

Jonathan Vilma
DJ williams
Tommie Harris

either way it was gonna be a good pick. Although I wouldn't put it past him to screw it up. It seems like these guys need a top 10 pick to get a good player. Anything after the top 10 picks and Casserly looks like he's looking for a tear-drop in an ocean. In other words, he's reaching and searching and coming up with nothin' to show for it. Casserly knows the draft classes so well, he's giving his picks away to other teams so he doesn't look like such an *****.
 

Bubbajwp

All Flopper
throwANDREtheBALL said:
yah, but a top 15 pick is pretty hard to screw up.

look at the other guys available

Jonathan Vilma
DJ williams
Tommie Harris

either way it was gonna be a good pick. Although I wouldn't put it past him to screw it up. It seems like these guys need a top 10 pick to get a good player. Anything after the top 10 picks and Casserly looks like he's looking for a tear-drop in an ocean. In other words, he's reaching and searching and coming up with nothin' to show for it. Casserly knows the draft classes so well, he's giving his picks away to other teams so he doesn't look like such an *****.
He must be pretty darn good then because he found DD. :jk: One player in four drafts isnt that good.
 

rmartin65

Phil Kessel: Nice Guy. Tries Hard.
I dont quite know about benching Babin but i think Faggins can do okay. maybe have the saftey slide over a bit
 
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