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Shiloh Keo

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76Texan

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The 3 games I watched for the 2010 season were against Nebraska (2nd week), Louisiana Tech (7th week) and Boise St. (11th week).

Keo played mostly as a SS.
In addition, he would come down on the slot and the TE.

I don't see negativity in his coverage skill; he was almost always where he was supposed to be.

The biggest flaw I saw was in his tackling, which is quite common in secondary players.
I had noted similar things in Earl Thomas, Joe Haden, McCourty, Kyle Wilson etc. in the previous draft and the same in several players in this draft (2011).

Obviously, I'm not an expert in techniques, but I do watch a lot of videos on the drills and read up on them as well.
It's understandable that college players still need to improve on their techniques to become better players in the pros.

Anyway, back to the games: The opponents laid 38, 48, and 52 points on Idaho so you can assume the worst.
Hiowever, I would say that Keo would be the last one to blame, especially in coverage.

Next came the East-West Shriner game (in which Wade coached).
Keo played very well both downhill and in coverage to earn the praises from the NFL Network guys (Charles and Mayock) during the broadcast and later on at the combine.
He was also the first to volunteer in all special team activities.

At the NFL combine, he got a handshake from Deon Sanders and a reporrted hug from the same to go with a compliment "I like you" that sort of thing.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-combine/09000d5d81e8cd4f/Best-Value-Day-4-Shiloh-Keo

Here's a podcast if you have time to listen:
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/all-access-football/2011/04/02/player-spotlight-s-shiloh-keo-idaho

I will have a few more notes to come.
 
I think everyone will agree that Keo has the attitude to make it in the NFL. The question is whether he has the physical ability and skill set to play in the secondary on a full time basis. At worst, the Texans have a special teams ace. And that's worth a 5th round selection, IMO. Considering the state of special teams play in 2010, I consider that a need pick.
 
Lucky said:
I think everyone will agree that Keo has the attitude to make it in the NFL. The question is whether he has the physical ability and skill set to play in the secondary on a full time basis. At worst, the Texans have a special teams ace. And that's worth a 5th round selection, IMO. Considering the state of special teams play in 2010, I consider that a need pick.
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Couldn't agree with you more!
 
Sounds like he's got lot less warts than most, coming into the pro's. As tackling is a major part of the safety's responsibility, especially at the SS spot, I hope to see this regime improve this aspect of his game, instead of adding warts to what he already has........a hallmark of preceding coaching staffs.
 
That brings us to the next point:

Keo showed better straight line speed at his pro day: 4.64-4.66 as opposed to 4.72 at the combine.

I want to note some guys we discussed before the draft:
Ahmad Black (Fla) 4.78
Eric Hagg (Neb) 4.69
Rahim Moore 4.62
DeAndre McDaniels 4.65
Tyler Sash 4.62

And Moore, for example, is supposed to play FS.
He was drafted #13 in the second round by the Broncos.
Also note that I had several "complaints" about his miss-tackles while discussing the draft.
 
Hopefully his passion for the game and the effort he puts into it make up for his physical limitations. Maybe not the fastest, quickest, or strongest player but if he's smart then he can still contribute.
 
76Texan said:
That brings us to the next point:

Keo showed better straight line speed at his pro day: 4.64-4.66 as opposed to 4.72 at the combine.

I want to note some guys we discussed before the draft:
Ahmad Black (Fla) 4.78
Eric Hagg (Neb) 4.69
Rahim Moore 4.62
DeAndre McDaniels 4.65
Tyler Sash 4.62

And Moore, for example, is supposed to play FS.
He was drafted #13 in the second round by the Broncos.
Also note that I had several "complaints" about his miss-tackles while discussing the draft.
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Are those combine numbers you posted for those other safeties, or pro day numbers.

Not really fair to compare his pro day 40 time with their combine times as guys always seem to run faster at their pro day.
 
Rey said:
Are those combine numbers you posted for those other safeties, or pro day numbers.

Not really fair to compare his pro day 40 time with their combine times as guys always seem to run faster at their pro day.
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True, but it doesn't mean to be abosultely fair.
They are numbers and can change.

It only shows that he's somewhere in the mix.

I haven't got to the part where he aced the 20 shuttle (3.9) and the 3 cone (6.55) at the combine.
He blew all the other guys out of the water.
Heck, even Patrick Peterson's numbers couldn't match: 4.07 and 6.58
And they both weighed in at 219.
 
76Texan said:
True, but it doesn't mean to be abosultely fair.
They are numbers and can change.

It only shows that he's somewhere in the mix.

I haven't got to the part where he aced the 20 shuttle (3.9) and the 3 cone (6.55) at the combine.
He blew all the other guys out of the water.
Heck, even Patrick Peterson's numbers couldn't match: 4.07 and 6.58
And they both weighed in at 219.
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I like the fact that he was so good in the shuttle times, but what I like most about him is what I see on the field. Good instincts and smart.
 
I never heard of the guy until combine & was impressed as I have posted. The best thing I see about him is he will probably have fans talking about him. We need a player to root for that is not a starter or high pick. He might turn out to be a Sage Rosenfels in that regard.
 
76Texan said:
True, but it doesn't mean to be abosultely fair.
They are numbers and can change.

It only shows that he's somewhere in the mix.

I haven't got to the part where he aced the 20 shuttle (3.9) and the 3 cone (6.55) at the combine.
He blew all the other guys out of the water.
Heck, even Patrick Peterson's numbers couldn't match: 4.07 and 6.58
And they both weighed in at 219.
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Is it just me or did all of our draft picks finish at or near the top in the shuttle and cone drills for their position? Keo, Watt, and Brooks Reed all excelled in that regard.
 
TheRealJoker said:
Is it just me or did all of our draft picks finish at or near the top in the shuttle and cone drills for their position? Keo, Watt, and Brooks Reed all excelled in that regard.
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I'm sure many on the board realize that.
It's why we think they are versatile; that Reed can make the transition from 4-3 DE to 3-4 OLB.
Remember, even Watt had seen quite a bit of action as a 3-4 OLB at Wisconsin.
 
Rey said:
I like the fact that he was so good in the shuttle times, but what I like most about him is what I see on the field. Good instincts and smart.
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I don't know if anybody has seen this video or not.
This one was before the 2009 season.

#10 on defense is Keo.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fo54Wq33Cio

Two things for sure: He can hit and he can run with the ball.

In the Nebraska game, after he pulled in an INT, he made 3 guys miss in tight space with a spin move, a shake and bake move and another spin move.
Too bad, he couldn't shake the 4th guy.
 
Don,
I'd be delighted to share a little info about Shiloh.Moscow is a small town, which means covering the Vandals is more intimate than say covering a Pac-10 or Big 12 school, so over the years I've talked to Shiloh a lot.He has an infectious personality. He truly loves the game of football and he has a great understanding of the game. When he was injured his junior year he ended up on the sidelines with headphones so he could help coach the defense. He has a great eye for the ball, and that helps him a lot with his speed. He's not the fastest guy on the field - he's OK by WAC standards - but he reads the field well and sees the angles and uses that to his advantage.He's a pretty good returner, both kickoffs and punts. He has good early speed, which helps him after initially getting the ball. He cuts well, and again, sees the field well, so he's able to get extra yards thanks to early decision making. He's also tough to bring down and always gets extra yards after being hit.He's a ferocious tackler. I'm anxious to see how that holds up in the NFL, but he wraps up well, can run people down and puts down quite a blow. He's not the biggest guy, but once he wraps his arms around a runner he doesn't let go and he's had some of the biggest hits I've ever seen.He was recruited out of the Seattle area, he's not married and I don't think he has any children.He is a happy, energetic, intense person. He never hides from an interview and I've seen him really entertain younger fans.I think he is at least part Polynesian, though I don't know that for sure. I'm really hoping Shiloh makes the cut. If he can find a nice niche with a team they'll be happy to have him. He's a good teammate, he's an intelligent player and a great guy to have around. I can really see him being a fan favorite.
I hope that helps.
Thanks for your interest,
Sandra
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The above personal comments about Shiloh Keo are by Sandra Kelly, Moscow-Pullman Daily News Sports Editor in Moscow, ID where the University of Idaho is located. She's watched him play, watched his career unfold at the U of Idaho. I sent her an email asking her about Keo, and she was nice enough to take the time to write several sentences about him which I thought I'd pass along to other Texans' fans.
 
IDEXAN said:
Don,
I'd be delighted to share a little info about Shiloh.Moscow is a small town, which means covering the Vandals is more intimate than say covering a Pac-10 or Big 12 school, so over the years I've talked to Shiloh a lot.He has an infectious personality. He truly loves the game of football and he has a great understanding of the game. When he was injured his junior year he ended up on the sidelines with headphones so he could help coach the defense. He has a great eye for the ball, and that helps him a lot with his speed. He's not the fastest guy on the field - he's OK by WAC standards - but he reads the field well and sees the angles and uses that to his advantage.He's a pretty good returner, both kickoffs and punts. He has good early speed, which helps him after initially getting the ball. He cuts well, and again, sees the field well, so he's able to get extra yards thanks to early decision making. He's also tough to bring down and always gets extra yards after being hit.He's a ferocious tackler. I'm anxious to see how that holds up in the NFL, but he wraps up well, can run people down and puts down quite a blow. He's not the biggest guy, but once he wraps his arms around a runner he doesn't let go and he's had some of the biggest hits I've ever seen.He was recruited out of the Seattle area, he's not married and I don't think he has any children.He is a happy, energetic, intense person. He never hides from an interview and I've seen him really entertain younger fans.I think he is at least part Polynesian, though I don't know that for sure. I'm really hoping Shiloh makes the cut. If he can find a nice niche with a team they'll be happy to have him. He's a good teammate, he's an intelligent player and a great guy to have around. I can really see him being a fan favorite.
I hope that helps.
Thanks for your interest,
Sandra
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The above personal comments about Shiloh Keo are by Sandra Kelly, Moscow-Pullman Daily News Sports Editor in Moscow, ID where the University of Idaho is located. She's watched him play, watched his career unfold at the U of Idaho. I sent her an email asking her about Keo, and she was nice enough to take the time to write several sentences about him which I thought I'd pass along to other Texans' fans.
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Thanks for posting. Every thing I've read and heard about him says he'll be a fan favorite and great in the locker room. Kinda guy we need.
 
drs23 said:
Thanks for posting. Every thing I've read and heard about him says he'll be a fan favorite and great in the locker room. Kinda guy we need.
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NP.
He's obviously not a great athlete or talent, though he's got some things going for him and it's not just "intangibles". He's "Wades guy", which means he's likely already got a roster spot which is his to lose.
But he's going to be a big-time STs player, while having a chance to run back punts for us and provide some depth at safety. Still it would seem they wouldn't need to expend a 5th round pick for STs guys who double as bench ?
Maybe Wade sees something else here that's not readily apparent ?
 
IDEXAN said:
NP.
He's obviously not a great athlete or talent, though he's got some things going for him and it's not just "intangibles". He's "Wades guy", which means he's likely already got a roster spot which is his to lose.
But he's going to be a big-time STs player, while having a chance to run back punts for us and provide some depth at safety. Still it would seem they wouldn't need to expend a 5th round pick for STs guys who double as bench ?
Maybe Wade sees something else here that's not readily apparent ?
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Hey, did you write Miss Sandra just for information on Keo and nothing else? j/k

I watched a couple more of his games (from 09) and I think he has a shot to become a starter at SS.

He's way more consistent than Troy Nolan in college.
(Nolan's speed was 4.63)

He's a better college player than Nolan.
I think it will depend on who can make a bigger improvement; Nolan had a couple years of head start.
 
76Texan said:
Hey, did you write Miss Sandra just for information on Keo and nothing else? j/k

I watched a couple more of his games (from 09) and I think he has a shot to become a starter at SS.

He's way more consistent than Troy Nolan in college.
(Nolan's speed was 4.63)

He's a better college player than Nolan.
I think it will depend on who can make a bigger improvement; Nolan had a couple years of head start.
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I saw something she wrote recently about Keo in her papar up in Moscow, and I thought I'd see if she'd give me some more background on him, you know kinda personal insider stuff, so I just sent her an email explaining i was a big Texans fan and we were real happy he'd be playing for the Texans and could she give me anymore info about Keo. And obviously she obliged.
But to your prediction that Keo has a chance to start, and I hope you're right, but he's clearly a traditional box SS not that much unlike the box safety the Texans just released, Bernard Pollard, who was thought to be incompatable with the Texans plans for what they wanted in their safetys ?
 
Drew Boylhart - The Huddle Report said:
Shiloh Keo S Idaho


STRENGTHS
Shiloh has the aggressiveness and the leadership ability you look for in a safety to impact at the next level. He is tough as nails and has the football instincts to strike in lightning-quick fashion like Bob Sanders (S Colts). Shiloh is very smart and understands situational football. He has a presence out on the field that everyone who plays with him, coaches him, coaches against him and plays against him sees and respects. Shiloh will impact as a starting safety and be your team's featured player on all special teams units. He has very quick feet and is a head up, wrap up, squeeze and drive tackler. He leads by example and makes the players around him better by example. He is a team player all the way. In spite of what I have just written, I suspect that Shiloh (Nails) Keo would need a search dog assigned to every team in this draft to find him and draft him in the first three rounds.


CONCERNS
Shiloh is too small, too slow and not athletic enough to play his position at the next level. He has to play at such a high level of destruction that injuries will be a concern. All of this said, if your team doesn't draft him and has to play against him in the same division, I pity your team.


BOTTOM LINE
As I stated, Shiloh is undersized, slow and too limited athletically to play his position at the next level. However, when he is on the field, he is a difference maker and your team's defense takes on a whole different persona. It becomes vicious and calculating in it's thinking and execution. Your defense becomes unpredictable. Wide Receivers catch the ball with one eye looking into the line of scrimmage and the other eye looking out to the defensive backfield. In a two-deep zone, running backs will do anything to run to the other side of the field from Shiloh only to be tackled for losses and short gains. This kid will be in the head of a QB and an offensive coordinator a week before the game. He is the type of player that an offense has to game plan for in both the run and the pass games. Bob Sanders (S Colts) was drafted in the 2nd round of the 2004 draft. When he was on the field, the Colts' defense was a different defense and he was responsible for that. Shiloh has that same ability. His instincts, quickness, football intelligence and do anything attitude for the team makes a huge difference. Draft this kid in any round and I know you will never be sorry. He is the type of kid that if you asked him to go into the game and play nose guard in a 3-4 defense, he would do it and make an impact play. Using the two board system, you will see that Shiloh (Nails) Keo might not be drafted until the later rounds. The good news is that this will not change his impact the day after you draft him. He will impact for your team like a player who was selected in the 2nd round. That's the round I would look very hard at drafting Shiloh. This kid is a football player. He is not a track star trying to play football...he is just a football player. You know what you're drafting with this kid. He is a fighter, a leader. Shiloh strikes me as the type of person who helps others and goes towards the catastrophe to do just that instead of running to save himself. He is tough as nails and will hold up your defense when others can't. That's what I see on the film when I watch this kid play. I see Bob Sanders.
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http://www.thehuddlereport.com/ppSD/protected/2010DRAFT/PlayerProfiles/Shiloh.Keo.htm
 
IDEXAN said:
I saw something she wrote recently about Keo in her papar up in Moscow, and I thought I'd see if she'd give me some more background on him, you know kinda personal insider stuff, so I just sent her an email explaining i was a big Texans fan and we were real happy he'd be playing for the Texans and could she give me anymore info about Keo. And obviously she obliged.
But to your prediction that Keo has a chance to start, and I hope you're right, but he's clearly a traditional box SS not that much unlike the box safety the Texans just released, Bernard Pollard, who was thought to be incompatable with the Texans plans for what they wanted in their safetys ?
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He definitely isn't a good candidate to play deep middle safety, but he's a better fit than Pollard in Wade's scheme.
His smooth hips as evidence in (a) the short shuttle and 3-cone time and (b) how he changed direction in the runs shown in the video and the moves I described when he made guys miss - will help him step up on the TE or the slot receiver and when he needs to defend the deep 1/4, deep 1/3 or deep 1/2 (occasionally).

Besides, I only stated that he has a shot, not that he's definite starter material.
 
As I stated, Shiloh is undersized, slow and too limited athletically to play his position at the next level.
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Then the rest of the article makes Keo sound like the 2nd coming of Bob Sanders. Which is it? And Keo is not undersized to play safety in the NFL.

Of all of the draftniks on the internet, Drew Boylhart is the weirdest. And that's quite the accomplishment.
 
IDEXAN said:
I saw something she wrote recently about Keo in her papar up in Moscow, and I thought I'd see if she'd give me some more background on him, you know kinda personal insider stuff, so I just sent her an email explaining i was a big Texans fan and we were real happy he'd be playing for the Texans and could she give me anymore info about Keo. And obviously she obliged.
But to your prediction that Keo has a chance to start, and I hope you're right, but he's clearly a traditional box SS not that much unlike the box safety the Texans just released, Bernard Pollard, who was thought to be incompatable with the Texans plans for what they wanted in their safetys ?
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WHy would Wade use a 5th to draft the same type of SS that he said could not play his system?
 
IDEXAN said:
I saw something she wrote recently about Keo in her papar up in Moscow, and I thought I'd see if she'd give me some more background on him, you know kinda personal insider stuff, so I just sent her an email explaining i was a big Texans fan and we were real happy he'd be playing for the Texans and could she give me anymore info about Keo. And obviously she obliged.
But to your prediction that Keo has a chance to start, and I hope you're right, but he's clearly a traditional box SS not that much unlike the box safety the Texans just released, Bernard Pollard, who was thought to be incompatable with the Texans plans for what they wanted in their safetys ?
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Pollard was a real good box safety .... he was just such a liability against the pass mainly because of poor angles. He and Wilson had to be the worst S duo Ive ever seen in that regard and thats a huge reason why the defense was so piss poor against the pass last season.

I dont see a lot of comparison between Pollard and Keo.

Pollards probably the better athlete who gets by with just that , athleticism.

Keo may be a step slower but the mental part of the game seems to come easier for him , at least from the tape Ive watched since the draft.

He always seemed to be in the right place and make the right adjustment and the proper angle. Thats something we havent seen occur for the Texans at that position since ..... ever. Man has this team had some rotten safety play over the years. Dont recall them ever spending a pick on either S spot prior to round 5 either. Maybe Im having a brain freeze ....

I think the question for this guy is does he have enough athleticism to hang around at the NFL.
 
Corrosion said:
Pollard was a real good box safety .... he was just such a liability against the pass mainly because of poor angles. He and Wilson had to be the worst S duo Ive ever seen in that regard and thats a huge reason why the defense was so piss poor against the pass last season.

I dont see a lot of comparison between Pollard and Keo.

Pollards probably the better athlete who gets by with just that , athleticism.

Keo may be a step slower but the mental part of the game seems to come easier for him , at least from the tape Ive watched since the draft.

He always seemed to be in the right place and make the right adjustment and the proper angle. Thats something we havent seen occur for the Texans at that position since ..... ever. Man has this team had some rotten safety play over the years. Dont recall them ever spending a pick on either S spot prior to round 5 either. Maybe Im having a brain freeze ....

I think the question for this guy is does he have enough athleticism to hang around at the NFL.
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Does a pure guts football player have to be a great athlete? He has what's critical - desire, intelligence & heart.
 
Rey said:
Are those combine numbers you posted for those other safeties, or pro day numbers.

Not really fair to compare his pro day 40 time with their combine times as guys always seem to run faster at their pro day.
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The surface can make a significant difference in timed speed so that could be it, but I also wonder if the pressure of the situation causes some guys to stiffen up, slowing them down. One of the keys to running fast is being relaxed and I can see where some guys would try too hard which would actually slow them down a bit.

Also, in a short run like the 40, the start is HUGE. If a guy gets a poor start it's almost impossible to overcome. Watching the combine, I see a lot of poor to mediocre starts. If you want to see an example of an excellent start, watch video of Buster Skrine's 40's.
 
Good instincts and quick diagnosis of plays can more than compensate for top end speed. Get a stopwatch and try to start it and stop it as quickly as you can. 0.15 to 0.2 is about about average depending on the type of watch you are using.

That small of a head start can make a huge difference in ground covered.
 
beerlover said:
Does a pure guts football player have to be a great athlete? He has what's critical - desire, intelligence & heart.
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Thats what I was getting at - he seems to have those qualities - the question is does he have enough athleticism for those positives to keep him on the field.
 
Are people seeing this guy as a possible LB? I thought he'd be awfully small for that position.
 
Ole Miss Texan said:
I'm going to go ahead and say it, so long as we don't sign a legit veteran strong safety during free agency, Keo will be our starting SS by the end of the season.
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I think your spot on as usual :handshake:

Vance Joseph emphasis is team concept orientated, key not players athletic ability but disguise and diagnose coverages something Keo can punch his ticket into a starting role.
 
I hope we arent rolling with Quin and Keo as our starting safety crew. That just has disaster written all over it. Phillips is going to help, and he might help a whole lot, but it might be asking a lot of him to roll that unit out there, as is.

Whitner makes some sense. He looks to be a FA when the smoke clears. Then you groom Keo behind Whitner, and hopefully some of Whitner's experience can help give Quin some confidence at FS.

I just dont think you can roll out last years unit minus Pollard, add a late round pick as starting SS and move Quin from failed CB to saviour FS.

This smells like last year but at least we have some competent coaching on defense. Kubiak and Smith really have been an utter failure getting someone competent in that position. It just shows their incompetence to date.
 
Rey said:
I think molden makes this team.

And I think more than one corner will transition to safety.
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I agree. He has the right size and speed but injuries seem to plague him and he has not really shown much in the minimal time he played. I would like to see how he responds to Phillips coaches (if we have an off season and TC). :handshake:
 
badboy said:
I agree. He has the right size and speed but injuries seem to plague him and he has not really shown much in the minimal time he played. I would like to see how he responds to Phillips coaches (if we have an off season and TC). :handshake:
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The one thing that is overlooked is when healthy he is fantastic on special teams.
 
infantrycak said:
Hopefully but I don't think it will come down to whether to keep Keo or Molden. My comment was really about among CB's he has extra value because of his special teams coverage skills.
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Gotcha. I don't remember hearing much during this draft about picks also being good on ST. In the past I got tired of hearing so and so might be a good pick but should do well on ST. I understand that concept but like a player who is so damn good, he will not be on ST. :texanbill:
 
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