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An End to the NFL Draft??
- Thread starter CloakNNNdagger
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The Pencil Neck
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You didn't include the link.
So the NFL will wind up being like FIFA. A few rich clubs who sign ever good player and the rest will be teams will be warm ups until you play one of the rich clubs.
This works great in Spain. Every season we have the excitement of guessing who will win La Liga, Real Madrid or Barcelona.
This works great in Spain. Every season we have the excitement of guessing who will win La Liga, Real Madrid or Barcelona.
Dan B.
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There'd still be a salary cap
Hagar
Drink up yall, its the Texans!
One part of me wants the players to win the anti-trust lawsuit(s). I think it would be funny to watch the players get what they want and then realize what they want stinks.
In this kind of scenerio, a few players on a few teams would get huge dollars and the rest would get crap. Think about how much would you pay Jacoby Jones if there wasn't a league minimum? Wages for special teamers and marginal players would get beat down while everybody would pay through the nose for a Tom Brady of Payton Manning. If you think their salary is big now, just wait.
Small market teams would crumble. Teams like Buffalo would have to move to larger cities with a more vibrant economy so they could charge more for tickets to pay for the one or two big players that every team needs to compete.
CloakNNNdagger
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stingray
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Don't people in the European Leagues get bored of this?
After the judge listens to the arguments today, I'm hearing she may take up to 2 weeks to rule at which time the side that's on the losing side of her decision will appeal, and it'll take the appelate process 4 to 6 weeks to come up with a ruling which puts us into the June/July time period.
In other words, sounds to me like nuttin is gonna happen anytime soon ?
In other words, sounds to me like nuttin is gonna happen anytime soon ?
Actually there would not be a salary cap (nor floor, which is more important for the rank and file player) nor roster limits amoung other items which are collectively bargained that otherwise are very illegal in a kinda capitalistic system.
Dan B.
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There's a payroll cap at my work. Managers are told to keep their labor percentage at a certain percentage of profit, or they don't get to manage very long. Isn't that a salary cap?
infantrycak
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That's a self-imposed policy which points to the main point. If there is no CBA then each team can decide what it wants to spend, no floor and no ceiling uniform across the league.
Ole Miss Texan
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Sounds more like a team mandated salary cap than league-wide... each owner deciding how much he wants to spend. That would be similar to major league baseball.
beat me to it!
Dan B.
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They are a corporation. It isn't determined at the store level. It's dictated from HQ in California.
infantrycak
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Each team is a separate corporation. The league has no authority to tell them what to spend.
Dan B.
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But they can agree not to. That's what they did right? They chose to join the NFL. They could be a team in the UFL, or start their own league. By joining the NFL, they agree to rules the NFL sets in place. On a smaller scale it's like choosing to live in a Homeowner's Association.
As far as a league without a draft I'm not sure it would be as crippling as some fear. I wouldn't mind a system like MLB's at all. I know that MLB has a draft, but it's far less important since they draft their players years before they develop them. I think you could see teams drafting young players and coaching them in a certain system, then going on to be very successful. Football seems more system based anyway, so it could be very effective. Think Twins or A's.
nero THE zero
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The point is that there would be an absence of that rule set by the league.
In your analogy, your CA HQ is "the NFL" and each individual store, whose salary caps in dictated, are individual NFL franchises.
Dan B.
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Sure, and my store can leave that HQ and franchise with someone different.
This would work if the NFL is considered a single business entity, which the league argues when it is to its advantage. The reality is that the NFL is 32 separate businesses (Supreme court 9-0) with a close working relationship. One is which, either by agreement with its major employees (the players) or government allowance (baseball has an anti-trust exemption and the NFL has lost anti-trust cases) can operate as though it were one at certain times:
Therefore, the Court ruled that Section 1 of the Sherman Antitrust Act applies to the NFL, and ruled that any unilateral decision made by the NFL that affect all the teams shall be viewed under the so-called “Rule of Reason” for antitrust purposes. Under the “Rule of Reason,” a lower court has to examine all of the circumstances to determine whether and to what degree the action is anticompetitive. WSJ link below
For light bedtime reading:
The American Needle Case (relates to whether the NFL is one business or thirty-two)
http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/09pdf/08-661.pdf
A little more straight forward
http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2010/05/24/american-needle-high-court-delivers-9-0-shutout-against-nfl/
infantrycak
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The CBA between the players and the league is what set the cap rules. It no longer exists. There is no agreement between the teams and league for the league to set a floor or cap for each team. In fact the case the players have filed is that any agreement like that would be illegal.
The league itself makes basically no decisions about the management of the teams. The owners vote by super-majority for what happens.
Dan B.
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I think it is different. Even though every franchise in my company has a payroll cap, the cap varies by store based on volume and revenue.
I've never been a fan of the salary cap in general. I think it does almost nothing to help competitive balance. The NFL and NBA were both more competitive before they instituted a cap, and MLB is more competitive than either of those sports. Factors like revenue sharing, expansion -- and yes, the draft -- do far more to help or hurt balance in a league.
Good. This is an important distinction.
CloakNNNdagger
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The antitrust suit could have some very widespread implications of football as we presently know it. IMHO, although it may correct some ills in the system, this could open things up to widespread tampering and overall chaos.
This strikes me as fear-mongering worst case scenario stuff.
Manning could squeeze the Colts to pay him $40 million, but it takes two to tango. They are not forced to pay him this, and some other team could pay it and he'd have to live with the competitive disadvantage that his greed places on the team.
This might be a good thing to shake up the stranglehold that college ADs have on the NCAA with regards to a playoff system.
ahhhh, an admission that this could be much about nothing...
Hervoyel
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That's interesting and I confess I hadn't really considered that the players themselves are divided into haves and have-nots. I mean, I knew it but I didn't take it into account when thinking about this fight. I think that was nicely put when the writer said "the majority of the 1,900 men who play in the NFL need protection against being paid less, not the unlimited ability to be paid more" Thats a real concern for the majority of them.
On the other hand Goodell needs to understand that adding two more real games to every teams starters season isn't good for football either. Playing games overseas and talking about expanding to London or Tokyo isn't good either (much less Mexico City or Toronto). The NFL is right in pointing out that this particular bunch of greedy bastards (the highest paid players) are going to kill the goose that laid the golden egg if they aren't careful. The league however ignores the fact that they're doing the same thing.
At this point it's almost a foregone conclusion that the goose is going to die. It's just a question of which group of greedy bastards do it first. So much weasel-speak in there. Goodell is saying the game is competitive and attractive but in the same sentence he's talking about how they have to keep making modifications to it. Why? It's incredibly successful right now. Of course do everything you can to make it safer but the league wants to change the game in ways that will be just as damaging I believe as what the players are proposing. a couple of decades down the road they might all be wishing for the good old days back when they had a draft and a salary cap and 16 games on the schedule.
Why can't they look at the NBA and MLB and understand that yes, you can break these things.
On the other hand Goodell needs to understand that adding two more real games to every teams starters season isn't good for football either. Playing games overseas and talking about expanding to London or Tokyo isn't good either (much less Mexico City or Toronto). The NFL is right in pointing out that this particular bunch of greedy bastards (the highest paid players) are going to kill the goose that laid the golden egg if they aren't careful. The league however ignores the fact that they're doing the same thing.
At this point it's almost a foregone conclusion that the goose is going to die. It's just a question of which group of greedy bastards do it first. So much weasel-speak in there. Goodell is saying the game is competitive and attractive but in the same sentence he's talking about how they have to keep making modifications to it. Why? It's incredibly successful right now. Of course do everything you can to make it safer but the league wants to change the game in ways that will be just as damaging I believe as what the players are proposing. a couple of decades down the road they might all be wishing for the good old days back when they had a draft and a salary cap and 16 games on the schedule.
Why can't they look at the NBA and MLB and understand that yes, you can break these things.
El Tejano
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There are two people that are going to end the NFL Draft. Adam Schefter of ESPN and Jason Lacanfora. They ruin the whole experience with trying to be the first to announce who is being drafted by what team. They sit by the team thats's drafting next and then run to their station to say who it is going to be. No suspense, no anticipation. Just a bunch of fans going "KAREEM JACKSON?" And then the station goes on about the pick and they forget to show any highlights.
CloakNNNdagger
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As lengthy as this piece is, I think it is worth reading in total. It is the best and most concise summary of the potential changes to the game we know so well, due to the anticipated legal challenges to the draft and free agency and salary caps being pushed by player attornies.
Many players apparently don’t realize that Kessler is attacking the draft
[Interestingly, this little tidbit is found within this piece:]
Many players apparently don’t realize that Kessler is attacking the draft
[Interestingly, this little tidbit is found within this piece:]
TD
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Depends on the team. With no salary cap, some teams will be able to spend more on a couple of players than others can spend on their whole team.
I'm sure it is.