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http://houston.sbnation.com/houston-texans/2011/2/26/2016960/nfl-combine-texans-head-coach-gary-kubiak-speaks-on-potentially

http://houston.sbnation.com/houston-texans/2011/2/26/2016939/nfl-combine-texans-gm-rick-smith-talks-earl-mitchell-as-3-4-nose

Some interesting things said. I dont believe that Mitchell could be our full time nose tackle. He would be good in passing rushing situation but i think thats about it. Hopefully they move glover quinn to free saftey and pick up a good cornerback in free agency but i dont know, Kubiak said they will probably still go young in secondary next year.:kubepalm:
 
texanchris said:
http://houston.sbnation.com/houston-texans/2011/2/26/2016960/nfl-combine-texans-head-coach-gary-kubiak-speaks-on-potentially

http://houston.sbnation.com/houston-texans/2011/2/26/2016939/nfl-combine-texans-gm-rick-smith-talks-earl-mitchell-as-3-4-nose

Some interesting things said. I dont believe that Mitchell could be our full time nose tackle. He would be good in passing rushing situation but i think thats about it. Hopefully they move glover quinn to free saftey and pick up a good cornerback in free agency but i dont know, Kubiak said they will probably still go young in secondary next year.:kubepalm:
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I don't think he was saying "We will go young in the secondary next year". I think it was more of a, "No matter what we add, our secondary is still going to be really young." He did say they were trying to add veterans via FA though. I guess that's something to be optimistic about.
 
It's kinda weird when one says Quin was our best CB, and the other considers moving him to safety (with Wade's approval of course!)

You're gonna take your best CB and convert him to a safety???
Very innovative!

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Again, thanks to TXChris for the links!
 
I disagree with the thinking that Earl Mitchell couldn't be a 1st and 2nd down nose. He's got the base for it and does a great job of playing as low as possible. He has NT tools and has way more upside at the position than Shaun Cody. I'm not saying you pencil Mitchell in as the guy for the next 10 years but I feel comfortable developing him in this role right now.
 
76Texan said:
It's kinda weird when one says Quin was our best CB, and the other considers moving him to safety (with Wade's approval of course!)

You're gonna take your best CB and convert him to a safety???
Very innovative!
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Totally agree... I thought Glover was our best CB last year.

Personally, I'd like to see us sign a FA CB. Start him opposite Glover, and move Kareem to nickel. Hopefully Kareem will develop into a good CB, then KJ & GQ will be long term starters.

Then hopefully get a FS in the draft or FA.
 
m5kwatts said:
I disagree with the thinking that Earl Mitchell couldn't be a 1st and 2nd down nose. He's got the base for it and does a great job of playing as low as possible. He has NT tools and has way more upside at the position than Shaun Cody. I'm not saying you pencil Mitchell in as the guy for the next 10 years but I feel comfortable developing him in this role right now.
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That kid Sheppard had the base for a 3-4 NT.

Did we stash him back on the PS, or is he gone gone?
 
76Texan said:
It's kinda weird when one says Quin was our best CB, and the other considers moving him to safety (with Wade's approval of course!)

You're gonna take your best CB and convert him to a safety???
Very innovative! .........
Again, thanks to TXChris for the links!
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Very Texans........
 
beerlover said:
"stay true to our board, draft for need but don't reach for need" kinda stands out to me.
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Yep, that plan has been simply awesome to behold THUS far hasn't it? How about fighting for REALLY good guys in Free Agency for a change.
 
Rick Smith brought up a name that I haven't heard or read anyone talk about on this board - Mark Anderson. How does that guy fit into the grand scheme of things?

Also looks like Earl Mitchell will be our NT. We read the names Dan Cody, and Earl Mitchell and how we may have to start out small at the NT position and then we read nothing of Amobi Okoye.

Lastly I would assume the Texans think Newton is going to fall to them. Don't be suprised if you read more about us looking interested in him. I think we are going to find a way to trade down by showing some interest in him. Especially with Vikings looking for a QB.
 
El Tejano said:
Rick Smith brought up a name that I haven't heard or read anyone talk about on this board - Mark Anderson. How does that guy fit into the grand scheme of things?
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I've been saying we should go into next season thinking Mark Anderson should be our weakside Rush OLB. He's a tweener, looks very athletic, & I have no doubt he could be used like Demarcus Ware, rushing the QB on 99.9% of the downs.

Connor Barwin should be our back-up, considering he's coming off injury. If he's healthy enough to beat Mark Anderson out at that spot, then we've got something.

I wouldn't look to draft OLB until 4th round or later. Unless of course a bad-ass is there at 11.
El Tejano said:
Also looks like Earl Mitchell will be our NT. We read the names Dan Cody, and Earl Mitchell and how we may have to start out small at the NT position and then we read nothing of Amobi Okoye.
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I think this is two fold. One, you don't want anyone to know you're looking for a NT in the first, if you're looking for a NT in the first. Saying that we can work with Mitchell or Cody (Shuan) could be no more than a smoke screen.

Second, penciling Mitchell/Cody in at this spot could be just to evaluate overall team needs. "If Mitchell/Cody is our NT, would investing in our secondary be more productive?" For all we know, they still see a zero at NT and feel it's our weekest position.

Amobi is definitely not a NT. He'll more than likely rotate at DE (which I think he's better at in a 3-4) even though he is "too short" (IMO).
El Tejano said:
Lastly I would assume the Texans think Newton is going to fall to them. Don't be suprised if you read more about us looking interested in him. I think we are going to find a way to trade down by showing some interest in him. Especially with Vikings looking for a QB.
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If we successfully convince other teams we are interested in Cam Newton, that makes the #10 spot more valuable. If we want him, why would we trade out of that position........ basically giving him away.

If Newton turns into a hot commodity, we need someone to believe Minnesota wants him. Then they'll approach us for a trade.

Think about the 2006 draft. Denver didn't trade with the team they thought wanted Jay Cutler. They traded with the team ahead of the team they thought wanted Jay Cutler.
 
76Texan said:
It's kinda weird when one says Quin was our best CB, and the other considers moving him to safety (with Wade's approval of course!)

You're gonna take your best CB and convert him to a safety???
Very innovative!

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Again, thanks to TXChris for the links!
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It's been done very successfully in the past, see Rod Woodson. I think Quin moves IF we sign a veteran corner. There are some top shelf CBs available, guys that are better than GQ, and if we can grab one moving Quin to FS perhaps shores up 2 positions.
 
otisbean said:
It's been done very successfully in the past, see Rod Woodson. I think Quin moves IF we sign a veteran corner. There are some top shelf CBs available, guys that are better than GQ, and if we can grab one moving Quin to FS perhaps shores up 2 positions.
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The premise would be that Jackson will show a great deal of improvement. And he WOULD need a GREAT deal of improvement in order to be even functioning at the level that GQ was last year. Jackson's demonstrated deficiencies unfortunately were not limited to one or two factors.......it was his entire game..........certainly bringing in serious questions about his innate athletic AND football IQ limitations. If you get a "strong" CB, then the Jackson will be unmercifully tested. Seems like the type of miscalculated experiment that has screwed us repeatedly in the past. IMHO, it again has "failure" written all over it.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
The premise would be that Jackson will show a great deal of improvement. And he WOULD need a GREAT deal of improvement in order to be even functioning at the level that GQ was last year. Jackson's demonstrated deficiencies unfortunately were not limited to one or two factors.......it was his entire game..........certainly bringing in serious questions about his innate athletic AND football IQ limitations. If you get a "strong" CB, then the Jackson will be unmercifully tested. Seems like the type of miscalculated experiment that has screwed us repeatedly in the past. IMHO, it again has "failure" written all over it.
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The off-season plan, I have no doubt, is to add a quality veteran at CB. There are going to be many available and Kubiak/McNair have acknowledged regret with their decision-making procss from last year. The question is, "when will the league allow free agent signings"
 
thunderkyss said:
If we successfully convince other teams we are interested in Cam Newton, that makes the #10 spot more valuable. If we want him, why would we trade out of that position........ basically giving him away.
If Newton turns into a hot commodity, we need someone to believe Minnesota wants him. Then they'll approach us for a trade.
Think about the 2006 draft. Denver didn't trade with the team they thought wanted Jay Cutler. They traded with the team ahead of the team they thought wanted Jay Cutler.
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C'mon now, get real. We're not going to get anybody to believe we're going to use our 1st round pick on a QB with the recent extension of Schaubs contract and our need to draft 3-4 players now with our teams transition this year to that defense.
 
Having the draft before free agency (if any) is going to really jumble things up. This is going to be a situation where we take the best on the board, which could include any position of need, which would mean we'd probably take Cam Newton if he fell. It's going to be a very interesting draft.
 
76Texan said:
You're gonna take your best CB and convert him to a safety???
Very innovative!

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Again, thanks to TXChris for the links!
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I don't think that him being the best corner means you can't move him. Especially not if you think that he can be an even better FS.
 
This all just reeks of incompetence, stupidity, and a commitment to nothing.

This franchise sucks. Other teams trying to get better while the Texans are just more than happy to dumpster dive for free agents and give the 'young guys' another chance. We all saw how well that worked out last year.

These guys suck. Period. And their record speaks for itself and makes it a fact.
 
I think the moving Quin to safety talk, is just that. Talk.

It's an option, & so is moving Allen to safety, drafting a safety, signing a free agent safety, or even trading for a veteran safety.

I'm just happy that they are talking about the safety position, and there is no doubt it will be addressed.
 
IDEXAN said:
C'mon now, get real. We're not going to get anybody to believe we're going to use our 1st round pick on a QB with the recent extension of Schaubs contract and our need to draft 3-4 players now with our teams transition this year to that defense.
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I'm not saying we should even try. My post was simply to indicate showing interest in Cam Newton hurts us as far as trade scenarios go.

We want Newton to have a good showing, increase his draft spot, & we want every team drafting behind us to understand we are willing to trade down.

As you said, Schaub's back to back "elite-like" performance helps us with the latter.
 
Brisco_County said:
Having the draft before free agency (if any) is going to really jumble things up. This is going to be a situation where we take the best on the board, which could include any position of need, which would mean we'd probably take Cam Newton if he fell. It's going to be a very interesting draft.
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Does Cam Newton play NT?

How does he fit our team's needs? DanO is still signed for another year, & though he'll never compare to the athlete Newton is, he's enough to pass on taking a back-up developmental QB with our first round pick.

I do, however believe having the draft before free agency will help us become more aggressive in free agency since they won't have the draft to fall back on.


Fingers crossed.
 
thunderkyss said:
I'm not saying we should even try. My post was simply to indicate showing interest in Cam Newton hurts us as far as trade scenarios go.

We want Newton to have a good showing, increase his draft spot, & we want every team drafting behind us to understand we are willing to trade down.

As you said, Schaub's back to back "elite-like" performance helps us with the latter.
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Newton sucked eggs big time at the Combine. Only way he helps us by projecting in the upper 1st Round is if he burns it up at his Pro Day.
 
thunderkyss said:
Does Cam Newton play NT?

How does he fit our team's needs? DanO is still signed for another year, & though he'll never compare to the athlete Newton is, he's enough to pass on taking a back-up developmental QB with our first round pick.

I do, however believe having the draft before free agency will help us become more aggressive in free agency since they won't have the draft to fall back on.


Fingers crossed.
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I might change my position on this after Newton's combine performance. But, if he's the best on the board at 11, there may be more value in taking him than trading down. Kubiak has shown that he can get good trade value for his back up QB, which I also think he'll do with Leinart after next season. Also, Kubiak is a fan of having back ups motivate starters. Schaub is 28, and it normally takes an average of 4 years to develop starting QB's in this league.
 
Brisco_County said:
I might change my position on this after Newton's combine performance. But, if he's the best on the board at 11, there may be more value in taking him than trading down. Kubiak has shown that he can get good trade value for his back up QB, which I also think he'll do with Leinart after next season. Also, Kubiak is a fan of having back ups motivate starters. Schaub is 28, and it normally takes an average of 4 years to develop starting QB's in this league.
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Lienart won't be a Texan next year. He signed a one year deal, and will be a free agent March 3rd. We won't be getting anything for him.
 
thunderkyss said:
I've been saying we should go into next season thinking Mark Anderson should be our weakside Rush OLB. He's a tweener, looks very athletic, & I have no doubt he could be used like Demarcus Ware, rushing the QB on 99.9% of the downs.

Connor Barwin should be our back-up, considering he's coming off injury. If he's healthy enough to beat Mark Anderson out at that spot, then we've got something.

I wouldn't look to draft OLB until 4th round or later. Unless of course a bad-ass is there at 11.

I think this is two fold. One, you don't want anyone to know you're looking for a NT in the first, if you're looking for a NT in the first. Saying that we can work with Mitchell or Cody (Shuan) could be no more than a smoke screen.

Second, penciling Mitchell/Cody in at this spot could be just to evaluate overall team needs. "If Mitchell/Cody is our NT, would investing in our secondary be more productive?" For all we know, they still see a zero at NT and feel it's our weekest position.

Amobi is definitely not a NT. He'll more than likely rotate at DE (which I think he's better at in a 3-4) even though he is "too short" (IMO).


If we successfully convince other teams we are interested in Cam Newton, that makes the #10 spot more valuable. If we want him, why would we trade out of that position........ basically giving him away.

If Newton turns into a hot commodity, we need someone to believe Minnesota wants him. Then they'll approach us for a trade.

Think about the 2006 draft. Denver didn't trade with the team they thought wanted Jay Cutler. They traded with the team ahead of the team they thought wanted Jay Cutler.
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So a defense that relies heavily on its OLB's and has NONE that have ever played that position should wait until the 4th round or later to draft one? :mariopalm: Thats the dumbest thing I have ever heard. We better have 2 OLB's picked by the 4th round if we expect this defense to have any chance to improve over last years pathetic performance.
 
mussop said:
So a defense that relies heavily on its OLB's and has NONE that have ever played that position should wait until the 4th round or later to draft one? :mariopalm: Thats the dumbest thing I have ever heard. .
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How many games did Clay Matthews play in a 3-4 defense before he was drafted?

How many games did James Harrison or Lamar Woodley, or Brian Orakpo, or Demarcus Ware play in a 3-4 or even LB before being drafted to the NFL?

Most guys projected as 3-4 rush OLB have never played the position. Compared to those guys, Mark Anderson & Connor Barwin are just as good ( if not better) prospects at OLB. Diles is a SAM, Bently & Adibi can play the position as well.

We could use more LBs, but we don't need an instant starter.
 
otisbean said:
It's been done very successfully in the past, see Rod Woodson. I think Quin moves IF we sign a veteran corner. There are some top shelf CBs available, guys that are better than GQ, and if we can grab one moving Quin to FS perhaps shores up 2 positions.
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Rod Woodson did not move to safety until his 11th year in the league (and with a different team: the Niners, not Pittsburgh.)
 
thunderkyss said:
How many games did Clay Matthews play in a 3-4 defense before he was drafted?

How many games did James Harrison or Lamar Woodley, or Brian Orakpo, or Demarcus Ware play in a 3-4 or even LB before being drafted to the NFL?

Most guys projected as 3-4 rush OLB have never played the position. Compared to those guys, Mark Anderson & Connor Barwin are just as good ( if not better) prospects at OLB. Diles is a SAM, Bently & Adibi can play the position as well.

We could use more LBs, but we don't need an instant starter.
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Barwin played stand-up for the Texans quite a bit so I think he would be fine.
The only question is the injury. He was out pretty much the whole year; and for a young player, I think it's hard.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
The premise would be that Jackson will show a great deal of improvement. And he WOULD need a GREAT deal of improvement in order to be even functioning at the level that GQ was last year. Jackson's demonstrated deficiencies unfortunately were not limited to one or two factors.......it was his entire game..........certainly bringing in serious questions about his innate athletic AND football IQ limitations. If you get a "strong" CB, then the Jackson will be unmercifully tested. Seems like the type of miscalculated experiment that has screwed us repeatedly in the past. IMHO, it again has "failure" written all over it.
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Given that everyone regressed last year in the secondary, GQ included, I have to think poor coaching played a major role. I think KJ has enough athletic ability to play in the NFL, especially if his technique improves through proper coaching (fingers crossed that Vance will be a good one). If Im not mistaken KJ ran a 4.45 and the 2 top CBs, Revis and Nnamdi both run 4.39, 6 hundredths of a second is a minute difference. In track and field .06 is the difference between winning and losing, in the NFL as long as you are within arms reach you can still make a tackle or swat a ball away. Hell, send KJ to Vermont, I'll have him in the 4.3s by training camp (I've been a strength and conditioning coach for 16 years). Despite what many think, speed is absolutely coachable.

IMHO, we have to upgrade the FS spot as well, so we need at least 2 DBs. Personally, I think we need 3 as the SS needs to be upgraded as well. It doesn't matter to me if we grab 2 CBs and move GQ to FS or grab a FS and CB and leave GQ where he is for now. I would like to see KJ play the nickel for next season just to give him another season to learn the NFL ropes. Hopefully this CBA garbage doesn't hamper FA too much for us!

Hey, I wanted to ask you, with regards to Ryans, did he have an avulsion fracture in his AT or did the tendon itself rupture, have you seen anything about that?
 
76Texan said:
Rod Woodson did not move to safety until his 11th year in the league (and with a different team: the Niners, not Pittsburgh.)
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But he was successful! As I mentioned in the previous post, we need to upgrade 3 of the DBs, so if we grab 2 CBs and move GQ or grab a FS and CB and leave GQ, I don't care as long as we improve our DBs. For the record the 3 rd spot in need of improvement is the SS that can cover.
 
otisbean said:
Given that everyone regressed last year in the secondary, GQ included, I have to think poor coaching played a major role. I think KJ has enough athletic ability to play in the NFL, especially if his technique improves through proper coaching (fingers crossed that Vance will be a good one). If Im not mistaken KJ ran a 4.45 and the 2 top CBs, Revis and Nnamdi both run 4.39, 6 hundredths of a second is a minute difference. In track and field .06 is the difference between winning and losing, in the NFL as long as you are within arms reach you can still make a tackle or swat a ball away. Hell, send KJ to Vermont, I'll have him in the 4.3s by training camp (I've been a strength and conditioning coach for 16 years). Despite what many think, speed is absolutely coachable.

IMHO, we have to upgrade the FS spot as well, so we need at least 2 DBs. Personally, I think we need 3 as the SS needs to be upgraded as well. It doesn't matter to me if we grab 2 CBs and move GQ to FS or grab a FS and CB and leave GQ where he is for now. I would like to see KJ play the nickel for next season just to give him another season to learn the NFL ropes. Hopefully this CBA garbage doesn't hamper FA too much for us!

Hey, I wanted to ask you, with regards to Ryans, did he have an avulsion fracture in his AT or did the tendon itself rupture, have you seen anything about that?
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The Texans have never released the specifics of Ryan's injury. However, most all of the Achilles ruptures I've seen have been at the mid tendon. An avulsion of a fractured piece of calcaneous bone with the tendon attached but per se left proximally intact would be an exceptional occurrence.
 
otisbean said:
But he was successful! As I mentioned in the previous post, we need to upgrade 3 of the DBs, so if we grab 2 CBs and move GQ or grab a FS and CB and leave GQ, I don't care as long as we improve our DBs. For the record the 3 rd spot in need of improvement is the SS that can cover.
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Actually, Woodson played CB for the Niners.
He signed a 3-yr contract but was released after just one year (to save money); so it seems they didn't think he was all that great a CB late in his career.

He latched on with the Ravens and played CB for another year before making the move to safety (in his 13th year when they drafted McAlister in the first round at #10 to play CB.)
I would say the move was due to Woodson no longer able to play CB at the highest level.
(They could have traded down and drafted a safety - Edwards at #25)

Also, moving a veteran to safety is much easier than a 2-yr CB to a new position. The vet already knows all the offenses and defenses in the league well; on top of that, Woodson had become a film-room guy for a long while.

I do not feel moving your "best" CB to safety is the ideal thing to do.
Why not leave him there and get a veteran safety (rather than getting a veteran CB and move Quin to safety).
That seems to be a very strange way of doing things, to me at least.
 
76Texan said:
Actually, Woodson played CB for the Niners.
He signed a 3-yr contract but was released after just one year (to save money); so it seems they didn't think he was all that great a CB late in his career.

He latched on with the Ravens and played CB for another year before making the move to safety (in his 13th year when they drafted McAlister in the first round at #10 to play CB.)
I would say the move was due to Woodson no longer able to play CB at the highest level.
(They could have traded down and drafted a safety - Edwards at #25)

Also, moving a veteran to safety is much easier than a 2-yr CB to a new position. The vet already knows all the offenses and defenses in the league well; on top of that, Woodson had become a film-room guy for a long while.

I do not feel moving your "best" CB to safety is the ideal thing to do.
Why not leave him there and get a veteran safety (rather than getting a veteran CB and move Quin to safety).
That seems to be a very strange way of doing things, to me at least.
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Im aware of Woodson history at CB and FS, my point was, it's happened before and some guys have had great success, that's it.

Also, in my post, I said moving GQ was an option IF we signed another CB or two in FA. If we signed Joseph or another top shelf CB than GQ wouldn't be our best CB anymore. I agree that GQ is a good CB, but maybe he'd be an excellent FS, it's certainly possible. I also be happy if we signed a good CB and a good FS and left GQ at CB, I guess it depends on who we draft/sign. For the record, Im not saying we should move GQ, just that FS is a huge need and he COULD be an option.

On that note, since you watch a lot of college FB, what are your thoughts of Prince? A lot of current mocks have him falling to us. I only watched one Neb game all year, so I don't have a feel for his game. I've heard that he puts hands all over WRs, which is a scary thing given the rules on PI in the league. I also wonder how Prince would do at FS, he certainly has the size and athletic ability.
 
76Texan said:
Barwin played stand-up for the Texans quite a bit so I think he would be fine.
The only question is the injury. He was out pretty much the whole year; and for a young player, I think it's hard.
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That's why I'd have Anderson penciled is as the starter, with every opportunity for Barwin to beat him out. If Barwin can beat him out, then either Anderson flat out sucked (which I don't think is the case) or he's ready.
 
76Texan said:
It's kinda weird when one says Quin was our best CB, and the other considers moving him to safety (with Wade's approval of course!)

You're gonna take your best CB and convert him to a safety???Very innovative!

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Again, thanks to TXChris for the links!
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Ronnie Lott
 
thunderkyss said:
That's why I'd have Anderson penciled is as the starter, with every opportunity for Barwin to beat him out. If Barwin can beat him out, then either Anderson flat out sucked (which I don't think is the case) or he's ready.
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90 percent sure Mark anderson only signed his contract until the end of the season and is a free agent.
 
ArlingtonTexan said:
90 percent sure Mark anderson only signed his contract until the end of the season and is a free agent.
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I can't find details on the contract he signed. But, Scout does not list him as a FA

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ArlingtonTexan said:
The free agent thread posted on this board has information that looks update (at least trying)

http://walterfootball.com/freeagents2011DE.php


Anderson is listed as a free agent (in the names w/o a write-up)
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If there is no new CBA, in the final league year of the old CBA, i.e., the 2010 season, a player whose contract has expired becomes an unrestricted free agent only if he has six or more accrued seasons. Anderson only has 5 acrued seasons.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
If there is no new CBA, in the final league year of the old CBA, i.e., the 2010 season, a player whose contract has expired becomes an unrestricted free agent only if he has six or more accrued seasons. Anderson only has 5 acrued seasons.
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So at minimium, he is a restricted and the Texans would have to tender him to keep him around.
 
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