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Vance Joseph: CBs will challenge routes
By Paul Kuharsky
Good defensive backs should have short memories. Typically that cliched line is applied play-to-play or game-to-game. In the case of the Houston Texans, season-to-season would be good, too.
Houston had the worst pass defense in the NFL in 2010, yielding 267.5 yards a game. The Texans gave up single-game passing totals of 419, 403, 329, 305 and 301 yards.
Their plan to rely on young cornerbacks Kareem Jackson, Glover Quin and Brice McCain backfired.
They are terrible, Matt Williamson of Scouts Inc. said of Houstons defensive backs. Veteran safeties Eugene Wilson and Bernard Pollard could both be replaced.
In fact, they are right there with division-mate Jacksonville as the worst secondary in all of football. The Texans' safeties -- who are terrible in coverage -- deserve a lot of blame, as does a pass-rush that could use upgrading," Williamson said.
"But I blame the secondary much more than the pass-rush. As for the cornerbacks, it is way too early to write off Jackson. I did like him coming out of Alabama and he has to get better in Year 2. But wow, he was pretty terrible as a rookie.
I would classify Brice McCain and Troy Nolan as just a couple of guys and they need to be down-the-line contributors. Glover Quin is the best of the group right now, but in the end, I like him as a No. 3 corner with Jackson as one starter [possibly] and someone to be determined as the opposite starter. As for adding a veteran [Champ Bailey?], I am all for it. Not only does this secondary need veteran leadership, but so does the entire football team.
Surely the Texans will be players in free agency -- if and when there is free agency. If they add a superstar corner like Nnamdi Asomugha or Bailey, shift each corner the Texans already have down a peg, find better safeties and get a better pass rush out of the 3-4 being installed by new coordinator Wade Phillips, things could be a lot better.
But Vance Joseph, who after five seasons with the San Francisco 49ers replaces David Gibbs as Texans secondary coach, cant depend on that big addition. Hes got to focus on who he has right now.
Joseph has met and talked with his young guys about having clean slates and about how they can develop.
As is the nature of football in February, Joseph is relatively upbeat.
Joseph Dishes On His Young DBs
New Texans secondary coach Vance Joseph scouts four of his key, young defensive backs.
Kareem JacksonOn Kareem Jackson: "He hasn't played corner very long, he only played in college two years, so he's got a lot of room to grow. He's tough, he's not afraid. He's a blank page, he can work on everything from technique to football IQ."
Glover QuinOn Glover Quin: "He's a really good football player. He's a guy with some flexibility, he plays inside, he plays outside. Being around this kid, he shouldn't change a thing. Just continue to get better.
Brice McCainOn Brice McCain: "He's probably our best movement guy in terms of quickness and feet and all that stuff. I like Brice. Hopefully he can get stronger."
Troy Nolan On Troy Nolan: "He's very bright, he's a raw talent. He can continue to get stronger, continue to grow his football IQ and he'll be fine."
Im aware of what they did last year, Ive watched the film and Ill tell you, its not as bad as everyone thinks, he said. Youve got to play better. And until those guys go out there and play better, thats going to stick to them. Weve got to do a good job of protecting those young corners.
Obviously getting some pass rush helps, having some scheme things tweaked where they wont be on their own a lot helps. But you regain confidence by playing well. So until they play better, that wont be the case.
When a new position coach joins a team to help fix a problem area, I want to know what he sees early on that he believes can be changed. Joseph said he often saw guys in position who couldnt make the play.
Joseph said while secondary guys always need to be wary of getting beat for a big play over the top, fear of that can really cost a defense.
Expect the 2011 Texans to be closer to pass catchers on shorter stuff.
Thats the part Ive got to get right, finishing and making plays and giving them tools to make and finish plays, Joseph said. On early downs, its back-pedaling, staying square and challenging routes. In the NFL, [receivers] are going to catch balls, but you want to make them bang-bang plays. When they catch the ball, I want them tackled.
Thats something we can help them with, playing more square from the line of scrimmage and not bailing as much. When youre bailing, youre conceding most routes. You say, Hey, Im not going to get beat deep but Im going to give you a 20-yard comeback. Were going to play square and were going to challenge routes.
While Joseph hopes his group will be able to play a wide variety of coverages, he also believes its important that in times of crisis they can fall back on something standard.
Last season, the defensive backs rarely seemed to have that reset mode. Going forward, Josephs hope is they always can return to something they know they are good at that can help them get through a tough day with a good result.
Phillips new defensive system wont affect the secondary like it will the defensive line and linebackers. But there will be benefits out of a more unpredictable front for defensive backs.
The beauty, I think, of playing defensive back in the 34 is the disguise mechanisms, Joseph said. Youre going to start in a basic two-shell, then move into your coverages. When youre a 4-3 team, they know the four rushers, theyre down with their hands on the ground.
Now, we can hold our coverage and the offense doesnt know where that fourth rusher is coming from . It kind of helps protect corners. Until a ball is snapped, that quarterback wont know what we are in.
Young guys, in disguise, able to fall back on something they know they are good at, eager to prove they are better than 32nd in the league. Its like a lot of offseason recipes, filled with hope and promise.
Shooting for the stars is fine, but the Texans' secondary doesnt have to be filled with stars to alter its reputation and play winning football.
We dont need guys who are going to Hawaii every year, Joseph said. Weve got to stress here that we just need guys who fit what we do and are capable of doing the job within the system.
http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/37550/sort/oldest/vance-joseph-cbs-will-challenge-routes
By Paul Kuharsky
Good defensive backs should have short memories. Typically that cliched line is applied play-to-play or game-to-game. In the case of the Houston Texans, season-to-season would be good, too.
Houston had the worst pass defense in the NFL in 2010, yielding 267.5 yards a game. The Texans gave up single-game passing totals of 419, 403, 329, 305 and 301 yards.
Their plan to rely on young cornerbacks Kareem Jackson, Glover Quin and Brice McCain backfired.
They are terrible, Matt Williamson of Scouts Inc. said of Houstons defensive backs. Veteran safeties Eugene Wilson and Bernard Pollard could both be replaced.
In fact, they are right there with division-mate Jacksonville as the worst secondary in all of football. The Texans' safeties -- who are terrible in coverage -- deserve a lot of blame, as does a pass-rush that could use upgrading," Williamson said.
"But I blame the secondary much more than the pass-rush. As for the cornerbacks, it is way too early to write off Jackson. I did like him coming out of Alabama and he has to get better in Year 2. But wow, he was pretty terrible as a rookie.
I would classify Brice McCain and Troy Nolan as just a couple of guys and they need to be down-the-line contributors. Glover Quin is the best of the group right now, but in the end, I like him as a No. 3 corner with Jackson as one starter [possibly] and someone to be determined as the opposite starter. As for adding a veteran [Champ Bailey?], I am all for it. Not only does this secondary need veteran leadership, but so does the entire football team.
Surely the Texans will be players in free agency -- if and when there is free agency. If they add a superstar corner like Nnamdi Asomugha or Bailey, shift each corner the Texans already have down a peg, find better safeties and get a better pass rush out of the 3-4 being installed by new coordinator Wade Phillips, things could be a lot better.
But Vance Joseph, who after five seasons with the San Francisco 49ers replaces David Gibbs as Texans secondary coach, cant depend on that big addition. Hes got to focus on who he has right now.
Joseph has met and talked with his young guys about having clean slates and about how they can develop.
As is the nature of football in February, Joseph is relatively upbeat.
Joseph Dishes On His Young DBs
New Texans secondary coach Vance Joseph scouts four of his key, young defensive backs.
Kareem JacksonOn Kareem Jackson: "He hasn't played corner very long, he only played in college two years, so he's got a lot of room to grow. He's tough, he's not afraid. He's a blank page, he can work on everything from technique to football IQ."
Glover QuinOn Glover Quin: "He's a really good football player. He's a guy with some flexibility, he plays inside, he plays outside. Being around this kid, he shouldn't change a thing. Just continue to get better.
Brice McCainOn Brice McCain: "He's probably our best movement guy in terms of quickness and feet and all that stuff. I like Brice. Hopefully he can get stronger."
Troy Nolan On Troy Nolan: "He's very bright, he's a raw talent. He can continue to get stronger, continue to grow his football IQ and he'll be fine."
Im aware of what they did last year, Ive watched the film and Ill tell you, its not as bad as everyone thinks, he said. Youve got to play better. And until those guys go out there and play better, thats going to stick to them. Weve got to do a good job of protecting those young corners.
Obviously getting some pass rush helps, having some scheme things tweaked where they wont be on their own a lot helps. But you regain confidence by playing well. So until they play better, that wont be the case.
When a new position coach joins a team to help fix a problem area, I want to know what he sees early on that he believes can be changed. Joseph said he often saw guys in position who couldnt make the play.
Joseph said while secondary guys always need to be wary of getting beat for a big play over the top, fear of that can really cost a defense.
Expect the 2011 Texans to be closer to pass catchers on shorter stuff.
Thats the part Ive got to get right, finishing and making plays and giving them tools to make and finish plays, Joseph said. On early downs, its back-pedaling, staying square and challenging routes. In the NFL, [receivers] are going to catch balls, but you want to make them bang-bang plays. When they catch the ball, I want them tackled.
Thats something we can help them with, playing more square from the line of scrimmage and not bailing as much. When youre bailing, youre conceding most routes. You say, Hey, Im not going to get beat deep but Im going to give you a 20-yard comeback. Were going to play square and were going to challenge routes.
While Joseph hopes his group will be able to play a wide variety of coverages, he also believes its important that in times of crisis they can fall back on something standard.
Last season, the defensive backs rarely seemed to have that reset mode. Going forward, Josephs hope is they always can return to something they know they are good at that can help them get through a tough day with a good result.
Phillips new defensive system wont affect the secondary like it will the defensive line and linebackers. But there will be benefits out of a more unpredictable front for defensive backs.
The beauty, I think, of playing defensive back in the 34 is the disguise mechanisms, Joseph said. Youre going to start in a basic two-shell, then move into your coverages. When youre a 4-3 team, they know the four rushers, theyre down with their hands on the ground.
Now, we can hold our coverage and the offense doesnt know where that fourth rusher is coming from . It kind of helps protect corners. Until a ball is snapped, that quarterback wont know what we are in.
Young guys, in disguise, able to fall back on something they know they are good at, eager to prove they are better than 32nd in the league. Its like a lot of offseason recipes, filled with hope and promise.
Shooting for the stars is fine, but the Texans' secondary doesnt have to be filled with stars to alter its reputation and play winning football.
We dont need guys who are going to Hawaii every year, Joseph said. Weve got to stress here that we just need guys who fit what we do and are capable of doing the job within the system.
http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/37550/sort/oldest/vance-joseph-cbs-will-challenge-routes
. I'm not liking this guy already.
