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When do you think the Labor Agreement will be finalized?
- Thread starter Hagar
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Showtime100
Got JJ?
Into the Season after week 6 is what I voted. I'll believe an agreement when I see it. I hope I'm wrong. I'll be ecstatic if I'm wrong.
Pantherstang84
@rolisrgti06
Into the Season after week 6 is what I voted. I'll believe an agreement when I see it. I hope I'm wrong. I'll be ecstatic if I'm wrong.
Ditto. Both sides will actually have to suffer financially before an agreement is reached. Greed will rule the day.
drs23
Veteran
Me too. I think it's gotta hit them in the wallet before there are any moves. As everyone knows the owner's wallets are the deepest so until players start getting squeezed there'll be no product on the field.
I hope we're both proven wrong.
I'm guessing week 4.
The problem is the owner are still going to get their TV $$$$. So there is no urgency on their side.
DeMaurice Smith isn't a NFL guy and is going to drive a hard bargain. Smith looks at the NFL as a stepping stone position into politics. So untill the players put Smith on notice (probably after they start missing game checks and missing child support payments etc...) no deal is going to get done.
GP
Go Texans!
That's how I voted.
The owners won't budge. They won't concede any ground to the players.
I actually think there shouldn't be a draft if they don't have a new deal. How is that appropriate, to draft guys when there might not even be a season?
I know the argument is that you have to act as if things will be cleared up, so you gotta' go about business as usual to stay on track for having camp, preseason, and a reg season...it just is going to be weird to watch the draft and think those guys might not even PLAY.
GP
Go Texans!
A Texans SB with scabs.
Jared Zabranski at QB.
Jonathan Wells at RB.
Bennie Joppru at TE.
Andre Davis at WR.
That'd be hilarious. Super Bowl champs with scabs at each position.
playa465
Veteran
I voted during the preseason...Im not certain but I don't think players get regular paychecks during the offseason so right now they are strong. As we get closer I think the players will start to crack b/c of those 2nd and 3rd tier players who don't make a lot (in NFL terms) plus those free agents with no contracts. Either way its a mess and truly the game belongs to the fans because its all entertainment. Yes the players risk their bodies and the owners shell out big $$$ but without us none of them would get shiza
Thorn
Dirty Old Man
I voted week 1 - 3 of the regular season. There will have to be some pain felt by both sides before anything is done.
Now, what I would like to see is a total collapse of the NFL for this year and a rival league start up that gives it a challange. I would like to see fans pissed as hell and not buy tickets next year. I would like to see the NFL feel the pain of their arrogance, and that pain hurts them badly.
Now, what I would like to see is a total collapse of the NFL for this year and a rival league start up that gives it a challange. I would like to see fans pissed as hell and not buy tickets next year. I would like to see the NFL feel the pain of their arrogance, and that pain hurts them badly.
GP
Go Texans!
Dread-Head
Hall of Fame
A strike wouldn't surprise me.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
If the Union decertifies, all bets are off as to how long 32 court battles will delay the appearance of ever seeing another NFL game
Yankee_In_TX
Dance Lindsay!
2 days a week? WTF is Smith doing the other 5 days a week to earn his (large) paycheck during a time of crisis?
I voted after OTA's but before training camp. A part of me is admittedly being hopeful with that vote, but it's the one I'm most optimistic for.
For the Texans sake, it needs to be done before camp. Unless someone can correct me, I'm fairly certain that if you're a player during the lockout, you can't even so much as look at a playbook. Imagine if a new agreement isn't reached until the season actually kicks off. We'd be going into the fire with virtually no preparation at all. While the defense will most certainly be better this season, it may not be by much unless a deal gets done and Wade gets a chance to work with these guys on the practice field.
For the Texans sake, it needs to be done before camp. Unless someone can correct me, I'm fairly certain that if you're a player during the lockout, you can't even so much as look at a playbook. Imagine if a new agreement isn't reached until the season actually kicks off. We'd be going into the fire with virtually no preparation at all. While the defense will most certainly be better this season, it may not be by much unless a deal gets done and Wade gets a chance to work with these guys on the practice field.
HOU-TEX
Ah, Football!
Not until these boneheads can set their pride aside, sit down to legitimate bargaining sessions without a side throwing a bitchfit and do whatever it takes to get a deal done. They both agreed to March 3rd so they should sit down night and day to get it done.
Will that happen? Hell no! Unless there's drastic change in mindset, we're screwed. YES, I SAID WE ARE SCREWED!
Will that happen? Hell no! Unless there's drastic change in mindset, we're screwed. YES, I SAID WE ARE SCREWED!
drs23
Veteran
It didn't look good before and now it looks even worse. Just heard on the radio that the NFL has filed a lawsuite against the NFLPA for not bargaining in good faith. From what I've heard/read that's BS. Owners want the players locked out and that's what going to happen. It amazes me that they're gonna kill the goose.
Get ready to find something to pass your time for next season. The combine and draft are going to be the last we see for a while I'm afraid. That's certainly the way it looks now.
Get ready to find something to pass your time for next season. The combine and draft are going to be the last we see for a while I'm afraid. That's certainly the way it looks now.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
This is supposedly part of a gambit to avoid a lockout and force the players to play next season. If the NFL can get a declaration the players have not negotiated in good faith then the NFL can attempt to get an order that the players have to play this season in accordance with the NFL's last offer.
drs23
Veteran
And the last league offer was to skim another cool BILLION off the top and split the remainder 50/50 instead of 60/40. Correct?
This still doesn't address the in fighting amongst the owner's of large vs. small market teams. What do you figure's gonna happen there?
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Kind of. As I understand it the players' share is only calculated on certain revenue streams. So the owners proposed opening the definition of the pot up to all or more revenue and then lowering the percentage. So it isn't quite as unreasonable as it sounds.
No idea. Not sure how real that is or if it is mainly media rabble rousing.
Correct-o-mondo.
Some of the small market teams understand that they cannot continue to operate under the current CBA, which states that a team must set aside 56%-60% of league revenue for player and coach salaries regardless of how much money said makes. For example:
In 2009, Team A must set aside $161 million exclusively for player salaries. Team A as an individual operating entity only generated $181 million in revenue.
In 2010, league revenue rose and now the new limit Team A must set aside for player salaries is $171 million. Team A only generated $182 million.
In 2011, league revenue rose yet again and now the new limit Team A must set aside for player salaries is $180. Team A only generated $183 million.
See a pattern here? Some teams simply cannot continue to operate under this system because they continue to see a decline in profit each and every year not due to lack of sales, but union guidelines. As the pattern shows, these teams will eventually be operating in the red with no realistic way of getting out. The Green Bay Packers are actually experiencing this as we speak.
Small market teams are damned if they do and damned if they don't.
I frankly don't care how long it takes to get a deal done, or who ends up with the most money.
What I do care about is this . . . that when all the "i"s are dotted and the "t"s are crossed . . . the end result will be that all 32 teams still have access to the same amount of money.
I don't want a situation where the large-market teams have a financial advantage over the small-markets, or to put it another way, haves and have-nots, like in baseball. Any move toward unrestricted free agency, or the removal of the salary cap will do just those very things.
Competitive balance must remain intact.
What I do care about is this . . . that when all the "i"s are dotted and the "t"s are crossed . . . the end result will be that all 32 teams still have access to the same amount of money.
I don't want a situation where the large-market teams have a financial advantage over the small-markets, or to put it another way, haves and have-nots, like in baseball. Any move toward unrestricted free agency, or the removal of the salary cap will do just those very things.
Competitive balance must remain intact.