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I do think Texans got this one right:

One Last Dunta Robinson Post -- We Told You So, Atlanta
by Rivers McCown • Jan 18, 2011 7:01 AM CST

After a season in which the Texans pass defense managed to be one of the worst in NFL history, the obvious and easy story was to contrast their success with that of the Falcons. The Falcons, after all, had just plundered "star" CB Dunta Robinson from the Texans for $57 million. They were 13-3. The #1 seed in the NFC. The one with the solid defense. The kind of team Texans fans wished that they could have seen built.

While most of that may be true, the fact remains that Robinson still wasn't any good this year. As we've documented many times here, Robinson's large contract was matched in scale only by the number of accolades piled on him without any acknowledgment that he just doesn't have the deep speed to be a good cornerback anymore.

Falcons fans watched in horror as Aaron Rodgers and the Packers just destroyed their defense. 50+ points were in reach for the Packers had they needed them. 31-36, 366 yards, 3 TD's for Rodgers. For Packers star receiver Greg Jennings: 8 receptions, 101 yards. How many passes thrown at Jennings were defensed? One. Guess who did it? Christopher Owens.

Did that message reach anyone after the game? Actually, a few:

Pete Prisco

---One player who will have to step up his game for the Falcons next season is corner Dunta Robinson. He signed a big contract as a free agent last spring and was a disappointment. Brent Grimes, the other corner, outplayed him. Robinson needs to become a most consistent player. The Falcons need him in a division with good quarterbacks.
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Pat Yasinkas

So much for all the talk about how the arrivals of rookie linebacker Sean Weatherspoon and free-agent cornerback Dunta Robinson had made this defense solid. The Falcons were the No. 1 seed in the NFC and they got torn up at home by the No. 6 seed.
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Gary Kubiak and Rick Smith, depending on who you think has more power over the defensive outfit, have deservedly taken a lot of heat for going with Kareem Jackson and not being able to bring in a real cornerback to compete and mentor all the youngsters last offseason. As graphic and awful as the Texans secondary was last year because of this, at least the Texans managed to not give a bad cornerback $57 million because there was no one "better" out there. They do deserve some credit for that.

http://houston.sbnation.com/houston...st-dunta-robinson-post-we-told-you-so-atlanta
 
I agree that they got the "Dunta Decision" correct.

Unfortunately, it doesn't excuse their failure to acquire a known-good Veteran CB in the offseason to replace him. Trial-by-fire this year was a DISMAL failure. When you're dead-last in the league for Pass Defense, you made more than one bad choice, you simply suck.
 
asleep said:
I do think Texans got this one right:

One Last Dunta Robinson Post -- We Told You So, Atlanta
by Rivers McCown • Jan 18, 2011 7:01 AM CST

After a season in which the Texans pass defense managed to be one of the worst in NFL history, the obvious and easy story was to contrast their success with that of the Falcons. The Falcons, after all, had just plundered "star" CB Dunta Robinson from the Texans for $57 million. They were 13-3. The #1 seed in the NFC. The one with the solid defense. The kind of team Texans fans wished that they could have seen built.

While most of that may be true, the fact remains that Robinson still wasn't any good this year. As we've documented many times here, Robinson's large contract was matched in scale only by the number of accolades piled on him without any acknowledgment that he just doesn't have the deep speed to be a good cornerback anymore.

Falcons fans watched in horror as Aaron Rodgers and the Packers just destroyed their defense. 50+ points were in reach for the Packers had they needed them. 31-36, 366 yards, 3 TD's for Rodgers. For Packers star receiver Greg Jennings: 8 receptions, 101 yards. How many passes thrown at Jennings were defensed? One. Guess who did it? Christopher Owens.

Did that message reach anyone after the game? Actually, a few:





Gary Kubiak and Rick Smith, depending on who you think has more power over the defensive outfit, have deservedly taken a lot of heat for going with Kareem Jackson and not being able to bring in a real cornerback to compete and mentor all the youngsters last offseason. As graphic and awful as the Texans secondary was last year because of this, at least the Texans managed to not give a bad cornerback $57 million because there was no one "better" out there. They do deserve some credit for that.

http://houston.sbnation.com/houston...st-dunta-robinson-post-we-told-you-so-atlanta
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Some really good points here although Im curious of how much his success (or lackthereof) was related to scheme. In any case, Im still happy we didnt over pay for this guy like ATL did.

Good post.
 
Yeah, if there is a window to trim big money before the CBA and new Cap take effect, Dunta is the first guy cut. He has been fairly awful this year.
 
Probably would have won four or five more games and been in the playoffs all they had to do is overpay Dunte. What are you talking about?
 
asleep said:
I do think Texans got this one right:

One Last Dunta Robinson Post -- We Told You So, Atlanta
by Rivers McCown • Jan 18, 2011 7:01 AM CST

http://houston.sbnation.com/houston...st-dunta-robinson-post-we-told-you-so-atlanta
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Interesting article..... I'll say that. I'll also add, judging from what I've seen from Dunta Robinson, in his entire career here, I can't think of any area of a CBs responsibility that he could have mentored Kareem Jackson in, save run support (& he's a shell of the player he used to be in that department as well).

I'm not one to bag on people, especially people I don't know. But I absolutely have no problem saying we wasted time & money franchising Dunta Robinson in 2009. I have to imagine it was another heart-felt reach out by Bob McNair.... can't fault him for that, it's his money, his player. But the feelings weren't being reciprocated. The money offered was more than generous (if the rumors were correct) he declined, we should have let him walk.... we didn't get anything for him anyway.

But, this article doesn't really get to the heart of the matter, & blames Dunta for that loss.... more or less. But the parts of the game I watched, the corner that outplayed Dunta got thrown towards at least 3 times to every 1 time Rogers threw at Dunta.
 
disaacks3 said:
I agree that they got the "Dunta Decision" correct.

Unfortunately, it doesn't excuse their failure to acquire a known-good Veteran CB in the offseason to replace him. Trial-by-fire this year was a DISMAL failure. When you're dead-last in the league for Pass Defense, you made more than one bad choice, you simply suck.
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Well, the article did bring up a good question.

Do you think the coaches said those veteran corners weren't good enough for this team?

Do you think the bean counters determined those veterans weren't worth the price tag?

Or

Do you think Rick Smith is not very good at selling the Houston Texans?
 
Well, not supporting Dunta - but Atlanta did have a quality defense all season long and even moreso at home it seems. Atlanta just picked a bad time to have one of there worse overall defensive showings this season, so they'll highlight the most visible issues.
 
Dunta Robinson is a highly overpaid piece of crap. Didn't regret them not signing him then, didn't regret them not signing him when we were historically bad in pass coverage, and don't regret them not singing him now. He's a cry baby, overrated, and a vastly overpaid loser.
 
OzzO said:
Well, not supporting Dunta - but Atlanta did have a quality defense all season long and even moreso at home it seems. Atlanta just picked a bad time to have one of there worse overall defensive showings this season, so they'll highlight the most visible issues.
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This is ridiculous...Not saying you Ozzo but some in here...

Anyone who watched that game saw that it was mostly grimes getting his lunch ate. The only reason Grimes was even playing is b/c I believe 1 of thier cb's was out--Brian Williams.

Yeah, dunta gave up some plays..still doesn't mean he wasn't a solid corner for them this year. Their defense was solid all year for the most part. He was part of crop of players brought in to help them improve they're woeful secondary..& he did just that.

It's also ridiculous that we have people in here saying we made the "right" decision regarding dunta when our secondary had more holes in it than a hobo's underpants essentially b/c we were unable to fill the void he & reeves left. Its funny b/c In one vein lots of these same folks are crying about us not ever going after the top FA's & in the other you're reading stuff like this.

Newsflash, If we do hit FA & get the best FA's out there, i'm about 99% sure we'll be overpaying a great deal for whomever that is b/c...what for it..... that's the name of the game. I'm also certain that no matter how good that player is, they likely won't deserve what they are getting. We know about the Haynesworth debacle but as good a Peppers is, even he did not deserve the contract he got. Yeah, yeah he likely won't see all of it but it is arguable that he even deserved the 40 mil or so that he is guaranteed....not for a guy with questions about his motor & work ethic....

You think Champ Bailey or Asomaguha are gonna come here for anything "fair" to the team? Nope, they're gonna do exactly what Dunta did & maximize their value.

So...get over it, Ricky & Gury screwed the pooch with the Dunta situation.
 
Mr teX said:
This is ridiculous...Not saying you Ozzo but some in here...

Anyone who watched that game saw that it was mostly grimes getting his lunch ate. The only reason Grimes was even playing is b/c I believe 1 of thier cb's was out--Brian Williams.

Yeah, dunta gave up some plays..still doesn't mean he wasn't a solid corner for them this year. Their defense was solid all year for the most part. He was part of crop of players brought in to help them improve they're woeful secondary..& he did just that.

It's also ridiculous that we have people in here saying we made the "right" decision regarding dunta when our secondary had more holes in it than a hobo's underpants essentially b/c we were unable to fill the void he & reeves left. Its funny b/c In one vein lots of these same folks are crying about us not ever going after the top FA's & in the other you're reading stuff like this.

Newsflash, If we do hit FA & get the best FA's out there, i'm about 99% sure we'll be overpaying a great deal for whomever that is b/c...what for it..... that's the name of the game. I'm also certain that no matter how good that player is, they likely won't deserve what they are getting. We know about the Haynesworth debacle but as good a Peppers is, even he did not deserve the contract he got. Yeah, yeah he likely won't see all of it but it is arguable that he even deserved the 40 mil or so that he is guaranteed....not for a guy with questions about his motor & work ethic....

You think Champ Bailey or Asomaguha are gonna come here for anything "fair" to the team? Nope, they're gonna do exactly what Dunta did & maximize their value.

So...get over it, Ricky & Gury screwed the pooch with the Dunta situation.
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Got friends who are big Falcon fans, he was consistently their weak link on D. Saying he is anything but below average is a strait up lie. We wouldn't have been much better this year with him. Maybe a one game difference.
 
thunderkyss said:
Interesting article..... I'll say that. I'll also add, judging from what I've seen from Dunta Robinson, in his entire career here, I can't think of any area of a CBs responsibility that he could have mentored Kareem Jackson in, save run support (& he's a shell of the player he used to be in that department as well).

I'm not one to bag on people, especially people I don't know. But I absolutely have no problem saying we wasted time & money franchising Dunta Robinson in 2009. I have to imagine it was another heart-felt reach out by Bob McNair.... can't fault him for that, it's his money, his player. But the feelings weren't being reciprocated. The money offered was more than generous (if the rumors were correct) he declined, we should have let him walk.... we didn't get anything for him anyway.

But, this article doesn't really get to the heart of the matter, & blames Dunta for that loss.... more or less. But the parts of the game I watched, the corner that outplayed Dunta got thrown towards at least 3 times to every 1 time Rogers threw at Dunta.
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I believe it had more to do with the season Dunta was having prior to the injury. He's done the same for Owen Daniels. I think Daniels was still showing something though.

Every game I saw of The Falcons, the only thing I kept saying was Somethings Never Change. I still saw Dunta lining up so far off the receiver that he was right next to the first down marker, I still saw him trailing his receiver, and I still saw him get eaten in the endzone.
 
El Tejano said:
I believe it had more to do with the season Dunta was having prior to the injury. He's done the same for Owen Daniels. I think Daniels was still showing something though.

Every game I saw of The Falcons, the only thing I kept saying was Somethings Never Change. I still saw Dunta lining up so far off the receiver that he was right next to the first down marker, I still saw him trailing his receiver, and I still saw him get eaten in the endzone.
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This. Green Bay ate his lunch last week.
 
gary said:
This. Green Bay ate his lunch last week.
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Rodgers & Green Bay ate EVERYONE lunch on ATL's defense last week, what's your point? ATL had just beaten them earlier in the year where GB only scored 17 pts. Where was all this then? They just ran into a buzz saw as GB has been in playoff mode for about 4 weeks now..it happens.
 
Mr teX said:
Rodgers & Green Bay ate EVERYONE lunch on ATL's defense last week, what's your point? ATL had just beaten them earlier in the year where GB only scored 17 pts. Where was all this then? They just ran into a buzz saw as GB has been in playoff mode for about 4 weeks now..it happens.
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My point is that post injury Dunte became a diva and his play does not warrent that anymore.
 
Mr teX said:
This is ridiculous...Not saying you Ozzo but some in here...

Anyone who watched that game saw that it was mostly grimes getting his lunch ate. The only reason Grimes was even playing is b/c I believe 1 of thier cb's was out--Brian Williams.

Yeah, dunta gave up some plays..still doesn't mean he wasn't a solid corner for them this year. Their defense was solid all year for the most part. He was part of crop of players brought in to help them improve they're woeful secondary..& he did just that.

It's also ridiculous that we have people in here saying we made the "right" decision regarding dunta when our secondary had more holes in it than a hobo's underpants essentially b/c we were unable to fill the void he & reeves left. Its funny b/c In one vein lots of these same folks are crying about us not ever going after the top FA's & in the other you're reading stuff like this.

Newsflash, If we do hit FA & get the best FA's out there, i'm about 99% sure we'll be overpaying a great deal for whomever that is b/c...what for it..... that's the name of the game. I'm also certain that no matter how good that player is, they likely won't deserve what they are getting. We know about the Haynesworth debacle but as good a Peppers is, even he did not deserve the contract he got. Yeah, yeah he likely won't see all of it but it is arguable that he even deserved the 40 mil or so that he is guaranteed....not for a guy with questions about his motor & work ethic....

You think Champ Bailey or Asomaguha are gonna come here for anything "fair" to the team? Nope, they're gonna do exactly what Dunta did & maximize their value.

So...get over it, Ricky & Gury screwed the pooch with the Dunta situation.
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Absolutley not. Paying him what he wanted would have been a HUGE mistake. They screwed the pooch in finding a replacement for him. Big difference.
 
asleep said:
I do think Texans got this one right:

One Last Dunta Robinson Post -- We Told You So, Atlanta
by Rivers McCown • Jan 18, 2011 7:01 AM CST
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:lol: Way to wait until the Falcons get knocked out of the PLAYOFFS by the hottest team in the league to unleash this story.

Total horse crap. The entire Falcons D was Rogers *****.
 
Pete Prisco

---One player who will have to step up his game for the Falcons next season is corner Dunta Robinson. He signed a big contract as a free agent last spring and was a disappointment. Brent Grimes, the other corner, outplayed him. Robinson needs to become a most consistent player. The Falcons need him in a division with good quarterbacks.
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Why was he a disappointment, Pete??? He was exactly what, I and many others, thought all along: A mediocre (at best) corner, not worthy of breaking the bank on.

I would much rather baptize a rookie by fire than lock up that much money on a "never will be" corner.

Move along. Nothing more here to see...
 
disaacks3 said:
I agree that they got the "Dunta Decision" correct.

Unfortunately, it doesn't excuse their failure to acquire a known-good Veteran CB in the offseason to replace him. Trial-by-fire this year was a DISMAL failure. When you're dead-last in the league for Pass Defense, you made more than one bad choice, you simply suck.
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I think you hit the nail on the head. There was no reason to resign him at that level. However, there was also no reason to not sign a veteran CB or two to come in and compete with the kids. Those two decisions are not mutually exclusive.

I give Smithiak an A+ for not signing DR.
I give Smithiak an F for not signing a veteran CB.

Final grade=A (95) + F(10)=105/2=52.5 or an F.
I give Smithiak an F for the way they handled the total situation
 
jaayteetx said:
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Absolutley not. Paying him what he wanted would have been a HUGE mistake. They screwed the pooch in finding a replacement for him. Big difference.
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There was no one else to replace him with out on the market worth a damn. They went after bodden & he declined. Besides, look at the situation we're in now. That little money we were trying not to give him b/c we were afraid of overpaying him, we're likely going to give up as much or more to another guy that in all liklihood isn't going to be much if any better...hell, we might've even saved money by giving him that contract, Instead everyone's banking on the idea that we might somehow be able to lure Asomagua or Bailey here...who are gonna cost double what it dunta would've costed, especially since Asomaguha just signed a contract not too long ago that pushed the price tag up even more for premimum cb's from the chris gamble contract. You factor in the garbage we have back there...
 
Mr teX said:
So...get over it, Ricky & Gury screwed the pooch with the Dunta situation.
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Possible differences in retaining Dunta compared to what actually happened:

1. Enough additional wins to secure a playoff berth - slim to none (with slim seen leaving town).

2. Additional game or two in the win column - possible, but certainly not a given. Even if it happened, unless there's playoffs involved who really cares at this point.

3. Possible retention of Bush and Gibbs - Given Kubiak and McNair's loyalty to coaches/players they like, I believe an increase of two wins would have made this probable, and a one game increase would certainly have put it in the realm of the possible.

4. $11 million down a rat-hole (resulting in potential future reticence to spend in similar situations, and a possible decrease in the amount available for FA spending this year) - virtually 100%
 
It might cost double for Aso or Champ but at least you know what you are getting with them which is a proven all star with either one of them. We don't know how Robinson acted in the lockeroom last season whatsoever.
 
ChampionTexan said:
Possible differences in retaining Dunta compared to what actually happened:

1. Enough additional wins to secure a playoff berth - slim to none (with slim seen leaving town).

2. Additional game or two in the win column - possible, but certainly not a given. Even if it happened, unless there's playoffs involved who really cares at this point.

There's no possible about it..we would've won some of those games b/c K-jax, McCain are likely not on the field..

3. Possible retention of Bush and Gibbs - Given Kubiak and McNair's loyalty to coaches/players they like, I believe an increase of two wins would have made this probable, and a one game increase would certainly have put it in the realm of the possible.



4. $11 million down a rat-hole (resulting in potential future reticence to spend in similar situations, and a possible decrease in the amount available for FA spending this year) - virtually 100%

Again, we're basically in that situation now..spending big time money on some retread that likely will be about the same caliber..see mr. reeves.
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It is what it is..keep hope alive that Bailey or Asomagua feel sorry for us decide to sign here don't hold your breath though.
 
Norg said:
SO does this mean we Cut Owen Daniles ?????
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Why would we cut Owen? Owen was a top-five talent at TE BEFORE his injury, DR was never top 5 at CB, ever...

Now, that said....If Owen has another lackluster year NEXT year, acts like a prima donna and THEN demands top-5 $$, THEN we franchise him for a year, THEN he whines to the media, and then still won't negotiate in good faith with the Texans...then YES, cut him.
 
disaacks3 said:
Why would we cut Owen? Owen was a top-five talent at TE BEFORE his injuries, DR was never top 5 at CB, ever...

Now, that said....If Owen has another lackluster year NEXT year, acts like a prima donna and THEN demands top-5 $$, THEN we franchise him for a year, THEN he whines to the media, and then still won't negotiate in good faith with the Texans...then YES, cut him.
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First sentence corrected for accuracy!
 
disaacks3 said:
I agree that they got the "Dunta Decision" correct.

Unfortunately, it doesn't excuse their failure to acquire a known-good Veteran CB in the offseason to replace him. Trial-by-fire this year was a DISMAL failure. When you're dead-last in the league for Pass Defense, you made more than one bad choice, you simply suck.
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They did go after Bodden... but in the end, he really never actually wanted to leave New England. Just using us as leverage. Hell, after pre-season, we all thought the Kareem & Glen combo was an upgrade from last season.

I don't think anyone saw the secondary sucking this much.
 
Mr teX said:
This is ridiculous...Not saying you Ozzo but some in here...

Anyone who watched that game saw that it was mostly grimes getting his lunch ate. The only reason Grimes was even playing is b/c I believe 1 of thier cb's was out--Brian Williams.

Yeah, dunta gave up some plays..still doesn't mean he wasn't a solid corner for them this year. Their defense was solid all year for the most part. He was part of crop of players brought in to help them improve they're woeful secondary..& he did just that.

It's also ridiculous that we have people in here saying we made the "right" decision regarding dunta when our secondary had more holes in it than a hobo's underpants essentially b/c we were unable to fill the void he & reeves left. Its funny b/c In one vein lots of these same folks are crying about us not ever going after the top FA's & in the other you're reading stuff like this.

Newsflash, If we do hit FA & get the best FA's out there, i'm about 99% sure we'll be overpaying a great deal for whomever that is b/c...what for it..... that's the name of the game. I'm also certain that no matter how good that player is, they likely won't deserve what they are getting. We know about the Haynesworth debacle but as good a Peppers is, even he did not deserve the contract he got. Yeah, yeah he likely won't see all of it but it is arguable that he even deserved the 40 mil or so that he is guaranteed....not for a guy with questions about his motor & work ethic....

You think Champ Bailey or Asomaguha are gonna come here for anything "fair" to the team? Nope, they're gonna do exactly what Dunta did & maximize their value.

So...get over it, Ricky & Gury screwed the pooch with the Dunta situation.
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smh..

1. fyi grimes is their other starter & any atlanta game i saw him play this year he was actually a very good overall corner that makes occassionally great play. even when he got beat by GB, he was in great position justy rodgers & the wrs mad great plays. dunta, while not terrible, was getting beat regularly when team picked on him much like his last season with us.

the fact that you didnt know that (misheard the announcer on sunday im guessing) is telling when reading your evaluation of dunta. im guessing you havent watched too much of dunta and atlanta all yr

2. why would it have made a difference whether we gave dunta that huge contract or not. imo he wouldve been beaten on many of the same routes v SD, skins etc that kareem was b/c, like kareem, his long speed isnt up to it so if we had signed him we would have pretty much had the same record and possibly a touch better secondary but we'd be going after some 'j.a.g.' cb this offseason cos we'd have so much money invested in the position we couldnt afford anybody decent. like somebody else said, id rather give someone elite like nnamdi a ridiculous $100+m contract than give dunta $60m cos at least you'd be getting money's worth with him
 
Texan_Bill said:
First sentence corrected for accuracy!
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all players have 'injuries' if you count pulled muscles...

OD was back to his old self by the end of this yr. hes gonna have a monster yr imo next yr if he says healthy (his last 4 games of this yr project to a 1000+ yds season & 8 tds). dunta never regained his preinjury level of play
 
Maddict5 said:
smh..

1. fyi grimes is their other starter & any atlanta game i saw him play this year he was actually a very good overall corner that makes occassionally great play. even when he got beat by GB, he was in great position justy rodgers & the wrs mad great plays. dunta, while not terrible, was getting beat regularly when team picked on him much like his last season with us.

the fact that you didnt know that (misheard the announcer on sunday im guessing) is telling when reading your evaluation of dunta. im guessing you havent watched too much of dunta and atlanta all yr

2. why would it have made a difference whether we gave dunta that huge contract or not. imo he wouldve been beaten on many of the same routes v SD, skins etc that kareem was b/c, like kareem, his long speed isnt up to it so if we had signed him we would have pretty much had the same record and possibly a touch better secondary but we'd be going after some 'j.a.g.' cb this offseason cos we'd have so much money invested in the position we couldnt afford anybody decent. like somebody else said, id rather give someone elite like nnamdi a ridiculous $100+m contract than give dunta $60m cos at least you'd be getting money's worth with him
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LOL about grimes....He's a faster glover quinn..nothing more. The fact that they felt they needed to go out & get Dunta says alot..lets also not forget too that they had one of the worst secondaries in the league last year & he now covers the #2 WR.

& I call bull. Dunta wasn't getting torched on fly routes by 3rd rate WRs like AJjirotututut at any point his last year here. Dunta wasn't falling down every other freaking play like everyone in our freaking secondary was this year. Routes he gets beat on are routes that every cb in the league gets beat on....quick slants & back shoulder throws; that includes Nmandi & Champ & Revis. There's a reason for that...it's b/c they are the toughest routes to defend. & I watched enough of dunta in ATL to know that he was usually in the right position just like he was here. Give credit to the teams #1 WR & QB like you're doing when you pump up brent grimes.

& what exactly are you talking about with the bolded? You're basically in that situation now considering what you spent on a rookie cb contract in 2010 + plus what you're about to drop for one of those "J.A.G." cb's you were worried about taking on. Hell, you might already be in that situation if they decide to keep Jason Allen, Bernard Pollard is brought back & you get some scrub off the street. All that posturing not to overpay him has only resulted in a historically bad secondary in 2010 & the eventual realization that you're going to have to spend more & overpay for someone else in 2011 anyway!
 
Mr teX said:
LOL about grimes....He's a faster glover quinn..nothing more. The fact that they felt they needed to go out & get Dunta says alot..lets also not forget too that they had one of the worst secondaries in the league last year & he now covers the #2 WR.

& I call bull. Dunta wasn't getting torched on fly routes by 3rd rate WRs like AJjirotututut at any point his last year here. Dunta wasn't falling down every other freaking play like everyone in our freaking secondary was this year. Routes he gets beat on are routes that every cb in the league gets beat on....quick slants & back shoulder throws; that includes Nmandi & Champ & Revis. There's a reason for that...it's b/c they are the toughest routes to defend. & I watched enough of dunta in ATL to know that he was usually in the right position just like he was here. Give credit to the teams #1 WR & QB like you're doing when you pump up brent grimes.

& what exactly are you talking about with the bolded? You're basically in that situation now considering what you spent on a rookie cb contract in 2010 + plus what you're about to drop for one of those "J.A.G." cb's you were worried about taking on. Hell, you might already be in that situation if they decide to keep Jason Allen, Bernard Pollard is brought back & you get some scrub off the street. All that posturing not to overpay him has only resulted in a historically bad secondary in 2010 & the eventual realization that you're going to have to spend more & overpay for someone else in 2011 anyway!
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LMAO, Atlanta fans HATE Dunta (mainly because with his contract they thought they were getting a #1 corner which Dunta isn't, at best he's just a average #2) and consider him a FA BUST. My brother in law is a huge Falcons fans, I have to hear all the time how they overpaid for that bum. They can't stand him there and consider him J.A.G.

The guy is a terd, but he's a highly paid terd. He sucks and might be the most overrated player at his position. Again, glad for once we weren't stupid enough to pull off a boneheaded move like making Dunta one of the highest paid players in the league.
 
The Falcons have obviously done well in assembling a talented roster, which makes it even more puzzling that they saw $50+ million worth of talent in Dunta.

I was happy to see him go. But I'll never understand why there wasn't a more emphatic effort to replace him. Going to war with such an inferior secondary is unforgivable for a head coach. (Except to Bob McNair.)
 
TexansFanatic said:
I was happy to see him go. But I'll never understand why there wasn't a more emphatic effort to replace him. Going to war with such an inferior secondary is unforgivable for a head coach. (Except to Bob McNair.)
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Who was out there? Leigh Bodden?? :thinking:

Kicking the tires on a corner ain't going to help the other 3 DB spots. That's why I said in retrospect, I have no problems with Baptizing Jackson by throwing him into the fire. Look, now he's got a full season under his belt. I would rather see us address the Safety position(s).
 
Carr Bombed said:
Dunta Robinson is a highly overpaid piece of crap. Didn't regret them not signing him then, didn't regret them not signing him when we were historically bad in pass coverage, and don't regret them not singing him now. He's a cry baby, overrated, and a vastly overpaid loser.
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Lol.

Agree. I was done with the guy when it was obvious he wanted to leave, yet kept denying it. I respect him wanting to play for a winner, but he was completely disingenuous about the whole thing. Glad he's gone.
 
Hopefully the texans can take the walker off Jackson and he won't fall down

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:kitten:
 
houstonspartan said:
Exactly. He didn't want to play here anymore.
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And even if he did want to be here, I'd never sign him to that kind of contract, because he isn't worth it. He's a average player, for the life of me I can't understand why people think he's a difference maker or a special player.
 
TexansFanatic said:
The Falcons have obviously done well in assembling a talented roster, which makes it even more puzzling that they saw $50+ million worth of talent in Dunta.

I was happy to see him go. But I'll never understand why there wasn't a more emphatic effort to replace him. Going to war with such an inferior secondary is unforgivable for a head coach. (Except to Bob McNair.)
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See, the problem here is that you don't know if we're "on the right track" when you're in the caboose looking at where we've been. So you've got to get to the front of the train, in the engine, to look ahead! Cuz we're "on the right track". Tooot toooot!

Here, wear this. It'll make you feel a lot better.

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Mr teX said:
& I watched enough of dunta in ATL to know that he was usually in the right position just like he was here. Give credit to the teams #1 WR & QB like you're doing when you pump up brent grimes.
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:lol: http://life.atlantafalcons.com/topic/3903742-robinson-sucks-in-coverage/


The guy is J.A.G. I realize we sucked in pass coverage this year, but Dunta is not and WAS NEVER the answer for our struggles or our problems.....he sucks. Kudos to him for suckering a team/owner out of that money though. He got paid.
 
thunderkyss said:
But, this article doesn't really get to the heart of the matter, & blames Dunta for that loss.... more or less. But the parts of the game I watched, the corner that outplayed Dunta got thrown towards at least 3 times to every 1 time Rogers threw at Dunta.
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I didn't watch the game, but this would leave you to believe that Dunta had his man covered since the ball was being thrown at the other CB.....right?
 
If we would have kept Drob we most likely wouldnt have drafted a CB or Kareem Jackson in the first round. Here is a list of players we possibly could have ended up with.

In no order
1. Jermaine Gresham TE (LOL)
2. Demaryius Thomas WR (Him and Andre would be sick)
3. Bryan Bulaga OT
4. Dez Bryant WR (Wow now I want to cry)
5. Jahvid Best RB
6. Dan Williams DT
7. Brian Price DT
8. Jared Odrick DT
9. Dexter McCluster RB/WR/KR/PR
10. Nate Allen FS
11. TJ Ward FS
12. "Mount" Cody
13. The Mile High Messiah Tim Tebow

Thats just to name a few. I know some of them are silly. But I would personally rather have any of them over KJack right now. I know he is still young but :kubepalm:
 
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