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why are we switching to a 3-4?

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texanchris

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I dont understand why we will be switching to a 3-4. like someone posted in another thread, the secondary is the same in the 4-3 and 3-4 defense. Now we need to add a nose tackle, outside linebacker, and maybe even a Devensive end to our many needs this offseason. It seems like a horrible time to make a transition from 4-3 to 3-4 because of the lockout and will probably give Kubiak an excuse for if we dont make the playoffs next season. The players were drafted for a 4-3 and it sucks that some of them might not find a spot in the 3-4 defense. I trust Wade Phillips and i think he knows what hes talking about but i think he said some of the stuff to please Mcnair and may not even believe it himself.
 
texanchris said:
I dont understand why we will be switching to a 3-4. like someone posted in another thread, the secondary is the same in the 4-3 and 3-4 defense. Now we need to add a nose tackle, outside linebacker, and maybe even a Devensive end to our many needs this offseason. It seems like a horrible time to make a transition from 4-3 to 3-4 because of the lockout and will probably give Kubiak an excuse for if we dont make the playoffs next season. The players were drafted for a 4-3 and it sucks that some of them might not find a spot in the 3-4 defense. I trust Wade Phillips and i think he knows what hes talking about but i think he said some of the stuff to please Mcnair and may not even believe it himself.
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Did you really expect Wade to come out on his first day on the job and say they need massive changes in defensive player personnel?

There will be some changes, but not massive wholesale player swap outs and I don't expect him to know who will stay or who will go yet.
 
texanchris said:
I dont understand why we will be switching to a 3-4. like someone posted in another thread, the secondary is the same in the 4-3 and 3-4 defense. Now we need to add a nose tackle, outside linebacker, and maybe even a Devensive end to our many needs this offseason. It seems like a horrible time to make a transition from 4-3 to 3-4 because of the lockout and will probably give Kubiak an excuse for if we dont make the playoffs next season. The players were drafted for a 4-3 and it sucks that some of them might not find a spot in the 3-4 defense. I trust Wade Phillips and i think he knows what hes talking about but i think he said some of the stuff to please Mcnair and may not even believe it himself.
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:gun: Really???? I'm not sure what a Devensive end is, but we have devensive ends.... We need two players: A) a big fat assed nose tackle and b) an outside guy (i.e. Von Miller).. Also, I would like to add a secondary guy or two, but I would feel that way no matter what D was run...

I laugh my ass off at people that say we don't have the personnel to run a 3-4... Well it's disgustingly obvious that we don't have the personnel for a 4-3 defense, either!!!

Signed,
30th ranked overall devense!
 
Texan_Bill said:
:gun: Really???? I'm not sure what a Devensive end is, but we have devensive ends.... We need two players: A) a big fat assed nose tackle and b) an outside guy (i.e. Von Miller).. Also, I would like to add a secondary guy or two, but I would feel that way no matter what D was run...

I laugh my ass off at people that say we don't have the personnel to run a 3-4... Well it's disgustingly obvious that we don't have the personnel for a 4-3 defense, either!!!

Signed,
30th ranked overall devense!
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An extra LB has a better chance to run them down from behind than an extra DL . :truck:
 
The Texans are switching to the 3-4 because that's what you do when you're on the right track.

There see, makes perfect sense.
 
Wade answered that the best...

In 4-3 you have more D-linemen. I dont think we have enough to play a 4-3 and good players but enough for 3-4 group we're we can have solid players.
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Texan_Bill said:
:gun: Really???? I'm not sure what a Devensive end is, but we have devensive ends.... We need two players: A) a big fat assed nose tackle and b) an outside guy (i.e. Von Miller).. Also, I would like to add a secondary guy or two, but I would feel that way no matter what D was run...

I laugh my ass off at people that say we don't have the personnel to run a 3-4... Well it's disgustingly obvious that we don't have the personnel for a 4-3 defense, either!!!

Signed,
One of the worst devense of all time!
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Fixed it for you!
 
Obviously the Texans suck at drafting d-linemen, but they are pretty good at finding linebackers. So why not reduce the number of starters in our position of weakness and add am extra LB? Makes sense to me.
 
The1ApplePie said:
Because Amobi Okoye is a bust
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The only reason we should not want to switch to a 3-4, is Mario Williams. He's our best defensive lineman, the guy we've been "building around" for the last 5 seasons, & we're not really getting anywhere with that.

Wade says Mario will be put in positions to succeed. We'll see.

The only reason we should switch to a 3-4, is that hired Wade Phillips. He may have been the best defensive guy available this off season. The 3-4 is what he do.
 
I was checking my DVR last night, & found a bunch of games, with 3-4 teams. A couple of the Dallas games with Wade Smith running the show. One of the games is Dallas vs Packers. I'll be watching it, to see if I can discern any difference between what Dom runs in GB & what Wade ran in Dallas.

Then I've got Jets/Packers, which if I remember right was a defensive game. Then Steelers/Jets, I don't think I've watched that at all yet... several others.
 
Because we suck at picking linemen and are pretty good at drafting LBs - and in a 3-4 you need more LBs than linemen.

In all seriousness: the major reason for switching is Wade Phillips, who has always run a 3-4 and has been successfull doing it. And one of our biggest problems since the beginning has been pressuring the QB - usually a 3-4 defense is better suited for that.

We don`t really have to change that much personell. In a 4-3 we`d need one or two DTs and one or two secondary players. In a 3-4 we need one NT, one or two LBs and one or two secondary players. Another DE would help in both packages.

I´m all for the change - majorly because it brings some excitement, hope and curiousity to the offseason. I`m really excited to see, who ends up at which position, who we draft, and how it will all look like on the field. And seriously: our D can`t get any worse!
 
texanchris said:
I dont understand why we will be switching to a 3-4. like someone posted in another thread, the secondary is the same in the 4-3 and 3-4 defense. Now we need to add a nose tackle, outside linebacker, and maybe even a Devensive end to our many needs this offseason. It seems like a horrible time to make a transition from 4-3 to 3-4 because of the lockout and will probably give Kubiak an excuse for if we dont make the playoffs next season. The players were drafted for a 4-3 and it sucks that some of them might not find a spot in the 3-4 defense. I trust Wade Phillips and i think he knows what hes talking about but i think he said some of the stuff to please Mcnair and may not even believe it himself.
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Well, since a bunch of teams switched to one over the last two years, and some of the 3-4 teams are getting new coaches, this could be a great time to switch to one. Also, as someone else said, we don't have 4-3 personnel either...
 
3-4? 4-3? Pfft! We oughta run a 11-0. Instead of our DB's running around in circles or falling down, maybe they help put pressure on the QB by falling at the feet of the olinemen. That'd allow our LB's to run free to the QB.

Dadgum! Should've been a DC
 
HOU-TEX said:
3-4? 4-3? Pfft! We oughta run a 11-0. Instead of our DB's running around in circles or falling down, maybe they help put pressure on the QB by falling at the feet of the olinemen. That'd allow our LB's to run free to the QB.

Dadgum! Should've been a DC
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I think we should have run an 0-11 last year. We would have been much better in coverage.
 
Texan_Bill said:
:gun: Really???? I'm not sure what a Devensive end is, but we have devensive ends.... We need two players: A) a big fat assed nose tackle
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Ummmm, no we don't.

Phillips doesn't run a two gap 3-4.

For years people have been banging on about needing a big fat DT.... I'm starting to think if some people have a taste for large men.. if so here's a little something for ya....

fat_men.jpg
 
I can see OPs point despite the sarcastic remarks here. Many people said the D played its best when Cushing was juiced last year and the D backs played decent. They moved up considerably. So the DBs sucked this year and Cushing was less than himself. Stands to reason that you coach up/improve the secondary by FA or draft and get decent play up front and you are middle of the pack. BUT I KNOW you can just EASILY switch to the 3-4 with our players. Wade said so and guys like Mario took to the 4-3 so fast when learning it...don't you remember how it just clicked for him :kubepalm:
 
thunderkyss said:
The only reason we should not want to switch to a 3-4, is Mario Williams. He's our best defensive lineman, the guy we've been "building around" for the last 5 seasons, & we're not really getting anywhere with that.

Wade says Mario will be put in positions to succeed. We'll see.

The only reason we should switch to a 3-4, is that hired Wade Phillips. He may have been the best defensive guy available this off season. The 3-4 is what he do.
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Wade did pretty well with Reggie White and Bruce Smith. I can't see him putting Mario in a position of fail.
 
thunderkyss said:
I was checking my DVR last night, & found a bunch of games, with 3-4 teams. A couple of the Dallas games with Wade Smith running the show. One of the games is Dallas vs Packers. I'll be watching it, to see if I can discern any difference between what Dom runs in GB & what Wade ran in Dallas.

Then I've got Jets/Packers, which if I remember right was a defensive game. Then Steelers/Jets, I don't think I've watched that at all yet... several others.
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Would love to hear your report back on that.
 
kiwitexansfan said:
Ummmm, no we don't.

Phillips doesn't run a two gap 3-4.

For years people have been banging on about needing a big fat DT.... I'm starting to think if some people have a taste for large men.. if so here's a little something for ya....

fat_men.jpg
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Where did you get the pictures of John McClain in different outfits?
 
kiwitexansfan said:
Ummmm, no we don't.

Phillips doesn't run a two gap 3-4.

For years people have been banging on about needing a big fat DT.... I'm starting to think if some people have a taste for large men.. if so here's a little something for ya....

fat_men.jpg
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Wade at Buffalo-Ted Washington 6'5 350

Wade at San Diego-Jamal Williams 6'3 348

His stint in Dallas with an undersized Ratliff was the exception and he was a guy with some arm length that could get in the backfield but he wasn't a guy who held off blockers.
 
Dutchrudder said:
Because we can't play the 4-3?
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Really, though?? I just don't buy into this whatsoever. We might have had a **** 4-3 defense this year, but our personnel did not change that drastically from 2009 when we had a somewhat respectable 4-3 defense.

For me, the jury is still out on, well, everything/everyone until proven otherwise.
 
HoustonFrog said:
Wade at Buffalo-Ted Washington 6'5 350

Wade at San Diego-Jamal Williams 6'3 348

His stint in Dallas with an undersized Ratliff was the exception and he was a guy with some arm length that could get in the backfield but he wasn't a guy who held off blockers.
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Here's the real exception:

Greg Kragen (denver) NT 1986-1993 6'3" 263lbs.
 
dalemurphy said:
Here's the real exception:

Greg Kragen (denver) NT 1986-1993 6'3" 263lbs.
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dale, that was a different era where the 300 lb DL was a rarity (The Fridge) and 260 lb NTs (Jim Burt, Bob Golic, Tim Krumrie, Joe Klecko, Kragen) were not uncommon.
 
Lucky said:
dale, that was a different era where the 300 lb DL was a rarity (The Fridge) and 260 lb NTs (Jim Burt, Bob Golic, Tim Krumrie, Joe Klecko, Kragen) were not uncommon.
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Yep! 6'3" 263lbs is now (overtrained) LB size...:kitten:
 
sorry if it seems like it was a stupid question but it just seems like so many things could go wrong due to the lockout and this year may not be the best of times to make that transition. Hopefully it all works out and we finally make the playoffs next year.
 
Lucky said:
dale, that was a different era where the 300 lb DL was a rarity (The Fridge) and 260 lb NTs (Jim Burt, Bob Golic, Tim Krumrie, Joe Klecko, Kragen) were not uncommon.
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1993 wasn't that long ago. If he could work with a 260 lb NT in the '90s, I think he can work with a 290-300lb NT today. Especially since he says he can.

In 2002 and 2003 in Atlanta, the starting NT under Wade was Ed Jasper, whose listed weight was 292 lbs.
 
BSofA04 said:
Say we draft Von Miller and sign Aubrayo Franklin in FA. This could be our starting front 7...
3-4_new.jpg
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That is a very nice looking front 7. We would still needs some upgrades in our secondary, but this would sure take the pressure off of them. If we could add in a decent CB and FS we would be set. It might be hard to achieve all this through one off-season though.
 
BSofA04 said:
Say we draft Von Miller and sign Aubrayo Franklin in FA. This could be our starting front 7...
3-4_new.jpg
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What do you think of putting Mark Anderson at the WOLB spot, instead of Von Miller?

Is he not athletic enough to play OLB?

I would think he & Barwin would be our OLBs...... maybe even Sharpton, because he needs to be on the field more as well. We've got options.
 
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