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Broncos want to Interview Dennison
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HoustonFrog
Dallas Frog
I'd like to see him stay as well not because he did such a great job - he did an adequate job first year in - But because his leaving would mean the 3rd OC for this offense in three seasons.
I think he did a great job with the running game although having Foster and Ward to tote the rock might make TB look smart.
The passing game looked to have taken a step back from a production standpoint although the numbers were close enough to those put up the year before with lil shanny.
I think he did a great job with the running game although having Foster and Ward to tote the rock might make TB look smart.
The passing game looked to have taken a step back from a production standpoint although the numbers were close enough to those put up the year before with lil shanny.
I think Kubiak would be the OC. He is in all but name anyway.
Its his system and he does have the final call but he's far from doing the things required of an OC.
With an experienced assistant, he may just take over the mantle.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
If this occurs, there will be too much flux seen without a HC change for ONE season.
burro
probably drunk
I've been curious as to what Dennison's true level of involvement was this past season (as in what the breakdown between plays called by Kubiak and plays called by Dennison looked like). Is Dennison just a placeholder or does he function as a legit OC with the typical responsibilities of an OC? Either way, yet another change at OC would probably be bad for the team. If for some reason he does leave, I can only hope that another big name, who likes to run the ball, can be brought in to relieve Kubiak of certain responsibilities. Nothing was more confusing about last season than Kubiak's insistence on abandoning the run when he had the league's leading rusher in the backfield.
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CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Elway, Broncos get permission to interview Houston's Rick Dennison
By Mike Klis
The Denver Post
Posted: 01/07/2011 01:34:45 PM MSTUpdated: 01/07/2011 02:54:44 PM MST
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Thorn
Dirty Old Man
If this occurs, there will be too much flux seen without a HC change for ONE season.
A new OC and DC is a lot, I agree.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
The OC is almost meaningless at this point. Everything offensive runs through Kubiak. He may give up initial play call to an OC like Shanahan did with him but he is who is in Schaub's earhole. Frankly I don't have a problem with that.
nero THE zero
All Pro
I thought permission was immaterial when interviewing for a raise in position?
Was this request for permission merely an unnecessary formality?
Was this request for permission merely an unnecessary formality?
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
If a team wants to interview an assistant coach who is still under contract with another team for its head coaching position, the current team is required to give permission for the interview as long as it happens between the end of the team's season and March 1. After March 1, teams can still ask, but the current team is not obligated to give permission.
GP
Go Texans!
So....
McNair fired Kubiak the Monday following the Jags game.
He begins a formal process with Bill Cowher, retaining all other coaches until further notice.
Elway begins formal process with Kubiak.
Win-Win.
Oh, except the one person who could have made it happen...chose to royally screw it all up. And the cherry on top is that the Broncos want our o-coord. Sure, John Elway--You can have our o-coord. His name is Gary Kubiak. Have him, please. Tell the kids that he's coming to town.
Instead, we got Bum's boy.
The way all these other teams are retaining their HC's, and how Harbaugh is with the 9ers, and how Cowher withdrew himself from the candidate pool so quickly (gee, I wonder why?) it just pisses me off all over again.
We were so friggin' close to becoming normal.
But no. Hell no. We got a plan! This is just the sort of chain of events that makes me laugh because there is no other course of action to take, as a fan.
Good Ship LOLilop.
McNair fired Kubiak the Monday following the Jags game.
He begins a formal process with Bill Cowher, retaining all other coaches until further notice.
Elway begins formal process with Kubiak.
Win-Win.
Oh, except the one person who could have made it happen...chose to royally screw it all up. And the cherry on top is that the Broncos want our o-coord. Sure, John Elway--You can have our o-coord. His name is Gary Kubiak. Have him, please. Tell the kids that he's coming to town.
Instead, we got Bum's boy.
The way all these other teams are retaining their HC's, and how Harbaugh is with the 9ers, and how Cowher withdrew himself from the candidate pool so quickly (gee, I wonder why?) it just pisses me off all over again.
We were so friggin' close to becoming normal.
But no. Hell no. We got a plan! This is just the sort of chain of events that makes me laugh because there is no other course of action to take, as a fan.
Good Ship LOLilop.
GP, at least Denver didn't hire Cowher...yet. Leaves hope for next year. It's an unwritten rule that you let an assistant interview for a higher position. I would've been shocked AND disappointedm if Houston denied permission. I think Dennison did a pretty OK job last season and would improve next season, but I wouldn't hold a man back from bettering himself and getting such an opportunity.
GP
Go Texans!
Doc, I 100% want Dennison to go to Denver. Honest to goodness.
He isn't getting to do anything here but run practices and twiddle his thumbs on game day as Gary ultimately gets to radio the play into Schaub's ear.
The most remarkable thing, Doc, is that Bill Cowher has clamored publicly that he wants to be back in coaching. He's been shy when asked about the Texans. He's done just about all he can do.
I have a feeling that somehow, McNair and his people have stayed in contact with Bill Cowher's agent and have told him to hold on for one more year.
I mean, we just got what many people think is a pretty good defensive coordinator in Wade Phillips. What if Bill Cowher was here, too, alongside Wade Phillips?
That's a helluva' lot better "Dream Team" than Kubiak & Phillips, I'd say.
This is all so bizarre to me, that it has GOT to be something deeper than what's on the surface. However, it'd have to be a hiring of Phillips that Cowher could work with next year...IF this theory is to be plausible at all.
So that leaves me like the guy in Princess Bride who tries to guess which cup has the poison in it.
LOL.
Well, obviously you didn't take enough of the poison to make yourself immune, or you're just another smart ass Sicilian (j/k). The Dread Pirate Roberts never had such concerns. You have to ask yourself why wasn't there a bidding war for Cowher's services if he's such a hot commodity. Maybe he was just using his leverage with the media as a ploy to increase the interest in him. I see lots of coordinators promoted and a lot of coaches with records worse that Kubes being retained. That has to mean something.
wildroot
Rookie
I feel next years excuse rearing it's ugly head...
wildroot
Rookie
Coaches with worse records being retained?
Cleveland, Broncos and Panthers all fired their coaches.
Bills just hired Gailey last year so he needs a couple years.
Cards just came off a recent SB so firing their coach after losing their HOF QB might be a little hasty.
Cinncy retained Lewis...yeah but I wouldn't call that "lots".
wildroot
Rookie
Why would we put Cowher off for a year if he could be had now? What's the point of that? With Gary leading the team down the drain this year, it would have been real easy for Mcnair to pull the trigger. I can't see Gary making it this easy for him next year and any sliver of improvement this team makes, well Bob's gonna wet himself with excitement...there'll be no thought of a coaching change.
Goatcheese
Texan
On the bright side if Dennison gets a HC job it would help us get our choice of OC. Being a Texans OC seems to be the fast track way to a HC gig. Calhoun, Sherman, and Dennison all got offers after 1 year, how often do you see that? Only Mini me stayed longer without getting an offer.
I'd still rather have him here coordinating the running game. Everyone we put back there looked good and Tate still needs to be coached up and get some experience in the system.
I'd still rather have him here coordinating the running game. Everyone we put back there looked good and Tate still needs to be coached up and get some experience in the system.
In '06 we had Sherman screwing up our OL. in '07 We had a new QB. In '08 we had Gibbs screwing up the OL. In '09 Pitts went down, Brisiel went down, & I think Kubiak said screw it, we're going pure ZBS. '10 we get Dennison.
If it's not one thing, it's been something else on the offense. For us to consistently put up numbers & points is truly an amazing feat & shows how good Kubiak is (as an offensive coordinator).
I don't want to deny a man a chance to be a HC, but damn......
If Kubiak/Smith really feel this is the end of the line for them, they would refuse.
If they can refuse.
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OzzO
.. and then?
Maybe 'cause his bidding (rumors?) started at $10 mil / year. If so, that'd probably take the edge of being coveted by teams. What is the average salary for a head coach anyway... or maybe average for top 10 coaches?
As for the original post - ultimately, I don't think it'd be an issue if Dennison left as mentioned above - i'm sure offense runs through Kubiak anyway. Maybe it turns into a "Kubiak and Wade are OC/HC and DC/HC".
Mr. White
Retired OLine Coach
It sure seems like he does a whole lot of them. It's pretty obvious he's running the offense on gameday. The real question is what level is Dennison involved.
I won't argue with results, though. It seems like last year, he was trying too hard to incorporate Kyle Shanahan calls and Alex Gibbs calls. You could tell when Alex Gibbs got a play in, because that was when the offensive rhythm got killed.
From what they've said after this season, it sounds like Kubiak had almost zero involvement with the defense. It sounds like he let Bush run that whole side of the ball. Now it also sounds like Wade will get even more control than Bush had in that he'll get to pick his players.
Back to Dennison...I'd hate to lose him. The offensive dynamic was way better this season than any other year since Kubiak's been the HC.
I am a bit confused here...
The Texans offense that I saw was not anything close to being consistently good this season.
Yes, they put up some good numbers...But most of those stats came when defenses started playing softer and started running the ball more on offense.
There were a couple of games where our offense just got flat shut down.
That said, I will not blame it all on them. Special teams didn't do a great job getting us easy scores or good field position. But if I have to grade the offense as a whole this season I would give them a C+ or B-.
And that is with the running game being an A++.
The Pencil Neck
Hall of Fame
When Dennison came in, he said his focus was on improving the running game, improving the ability to pick up short yardage, and improving in the Red Zone.
We did all of that.
But to me, at times the passing attack seemed to be out of sorts. The passing attack seemed much sharper with Shanahan as the HC. OTOH, some of that "being out of sorts" really seemed to come down to 2 basic things:
1. Receivers dropping balls
2. Owen Daniels
We had a lot of drives killed because guys just flat out dropped the ball. We had a lot of TDs taken off the boards with guys not catching the ball.
And when OD was out or not feeling his best, the offense wasn't as smooth. When OD is there and feeling it, it opens up our passing attack.
And, personally, there were times we were throwing when I would have preferred that we would have been running.
Also, there were plenty of stretches where Schaub couldn't put anything on the ball. A lot of ducks came out of his hand this year. I don't think he was healthy for 16 games. And a possible 18 game schedule makes finding a real backup QB imperative.
Yet Cowher is still not Coaching.
Are we to believe Houston is the only place he would coach for? He turned down Buffalo last year. He'd be one year closer to having that perfect situation if he took that job (with control over player personnel).
Then we've got to wonder about his confidence as a coach, if he will only take over specific situations.
What were his 3 teams anyway, NYGiants, Carolina, & Houston? All three teams, coaches on the hot seat, they know Cowher is interested, they all retain their HC?
Maybe they know something we don't.
ummmm... part of that statement is not quite accurate. John Fox is out in Carolina and in fact may be interviewing for the Denver job. However, your point remains even more valid; with Fox definitely gone, one has to ask why Cowher hasn't been sought after by the Carolina mgmt as Fox's replacement.
It's not valid. The owner doesn't want to spend the jack to bring in a proven winner. He prefers a young coordinator without head coaching experience that will take the job for peanuts. Like a 2006 Gary Kubiak.
dickieb
Waterboy
Everyone knows that for free agents Houston is where they come to get their last big payday from a dumb ass organization and laugh all the way to the bank! I'm calling it now, even if we get Cowher next year with our luck he will somehow be a shell of his former self and be both the coach and GM do absolutely jack squat with our team, set us back 10 years and get the biggest coaching salary of all time while doing it.
P.S. - I'm only saying this so that I get proven wrong, cause it happens all the time!
P.S. - I'm only saying this so that I get proven wrong, cause it happens all the time!
Do you really think McNair would worry about spending enough $$ to get Cowher? I'm not disagreeing, just find it kind of surprising. I think McNair just doesn't want to change right now. I think he really likes Kubiak and loves the offense. I'm not saying McNair is right or wrong for that. It's just my observation of the situation. I also think that McNair likes all the compliments he gets from other owners and coaches on his offense...as they use his team as astepping stone to the playoffs.
Pantherstang84
@rolisrgti06
Absolutely. We are talking about the biggest sabre rattler of all of the owners here. Jerry Richardson is actually trying to float the idea that the teams are losing money under the current CBA.
I was discussing Panthers owner Jerry Richardson. Concerning McNair's motivation regarding the coaching situation, I tend to side on the "McNair's an NFL rube" line of thinking. But, I can't totally dismiss the $$$ aspect based upon evidence.
Section516
Warrior
Dennison considered favorite for HC job...
Others on the radar include Houston Texans offensive coordinator Rick Dennison -- considered by some, including ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter, to be the favorite -- Atlanta Falcons offensive coordinator Mike Mularkey, Green Bay Packers DC Dom Capers, former Giants head coach Jim Fassel and Jacksonville Jaguars offensive coordinator Dirk Koetter
http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/features/rumors
OzzO
.. and then?
Oooh! Do THAT one!
Hmmm... can we then bring in Mularkey to be OC/assistant HC so we can have a "HC" an OC/aHC and a DC/aHC?
False Start
On # 69
He was quoted today as saying, "I'm orange and blue all the way through, I just work in Houston now."
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