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Mario Williams: bleh... I'm tiring of him

dalemurphy said:
When asked about Wade Phillips possibly being the new DC for the Texans, this was his response... and, I'm not happy about it:

http://www.texansbullblog.com/mario-killing/news/
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I think that Mario may have good reason to be concerned about a 3-4. He has had decent sack numbers over the years. But he is not the "dominant" DE that we were hoping for him to be. He has virtually NEVER tended to "take over" a game in the 4-3. In a 3-4, the DE is not necessarily going to get that many sacks because the DE is more supposed to act as a work horse to "tie up" the OL and allow for the LBs to get in there to consumate the sacks. Mario may feel that she should be more of the "show horse" than the "work horse."
 
ThaShark316 said:
He's just a bit concerned...calm down man....however, I get your point. But, I can't fault him for that.
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I was thrilled when we drafted him. I was very supportive of him as a rookie and through 2008. I doubt that I criticized him once last season. I know he was trying to play through a hernia this season, but, as I watched the season (not being informed of his injury), I really struggled with what appeared to be a lack of effort. Perhaps it was due to his injury. Perhaps 2009's mediocrity was due to his shoulder injury and his 2006 season was a result of his foot injury.

Still, though, come on! After 4 years of awful defense and one average season as a defensive unit in 2009, how can a true competitor be worried about how a major coaching upgrade will affect his personal statistics (it shouldn't, at the least, be his primary consideration).
 
Like the poster above me, I can see you're still making a habit of hating on Mario. edit: BullNation4Life I mean

In this case, he has a pretty good reason to be concerned. He is a 4-3 DE and that's about all there is to it. Moving him to 3-4 DE or OLB is a huge change and one that might never work out. Of all the people on the defense that are worth a ****, he is the one that should be worried most.
 
Can't blame Mario for being ....wait for it....Wary.

Thank you, thank you...I'll be here all week. Be sure and tip your waitress.
 
wagonhed said:
Like the poster above me, I can see you're still making a habit of hating on Mario. edit: BullNation4Life I mean

In this case, he has a pretty good reason to be concerned. He is a 4-3 DE and that's about all there is to it. Moving him to 3-4 DE or OLB is a huge change and one that might never work out. Of all the people on the defense that are worth a ****, he is the one that should be worried most.
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Did you read the story? I laid out Bruce Smith's accomplishments under the same system- past his prime. He was with Wade Smith from age 32-36. All four seasons, playing in Wade's 3-4 defense as RDE, he never had less than 10 sacks. Oh, and Bruce Smith was about 20 lbs lighter than Mario and a much better speed rusher. If anyone should've been concerned about such a switch, it would be someone with an edge rush. Mario does not have one. He's a bull-rusher that "can't handle" being moved inside (at least that is what the Texans coaches decided in late 2006). Now, Antonio moves all over the line (though he weighs less than Mario) and Mario only plays on the edge.
 
I like Mario but have thoughts he might not be very productive in 3-4. I'll get clobbered for this but we need to look at trades for him and Cushing. I am also uneasy about Cush in coverage but maybe with 4 LBs he will not be called on that much. How does Barwin (if healthy) project in 3-4?
 
dalemurphy said:
Find the word "hate" (or a synonym) on anything I have ever written regarding Mario Williams. You won't!
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Sure about that? and I quote...

"There were another half dozen or more plays we could have added that would’ve shown the same lack of interest and intensity from Mario. The best hope I have is that he’s INJURED. Otherwise, I have to hate the guy!":kubepalm:

here is the like to your own blog...

http://www.texansbullblog.com/wrong...onio-smith/featured-articles/isolated-review/

like I said, still on the "I hate Mario" march...March on young soldier, march on...
 
Isn't 2011 the last year of his contract? I don't blame him for not wanting a change. At least we know he'll be working his ass off.
 
:rolleyes:

I think anyone who's played football before would understand what Mario's thinking. I don't know if you've played or not, but I know I'd be worried when I played in a 4-3 for so many years and was going to be forced to play inside.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Mario may feel that she should be more of the "show horse" than the "work horse."
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The Mario Motivation Thread is that way --> :kitten:

badboy said:
I like Mario but have thoughts he might not be very productive in 3-4. I'll get clobbered for this but we need to look at trades for him and Cushing. I am also uneasy about Cush in coverage but maybe with 4 LBs he will not be called on that much. How does Barwin (if healthy) project in 3-4?
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Mario, if there's one thing he tends to do exceptionally, is a great run-stopper. That spells success for a 3-4 DE. As far as statistics go he might not have awesome numbers, but I have no doubt he would be successful were there a great pass rusher behind him, also.
 
I've seen comments from DeMeco, Cushing, & Antonio Smith about going 3-4 and unanimously their sentiemnts were (I'm paraphrasing here of course) like, "whatever, I don't really care what scheme we use as long as we win".
I'm not too surprised by Marios response, because he's often kinda annoyed with questions and just acts put upon when people want to know things about the Texans. I think basically that while immensly gifted athletically, he's inconsistant at best and at worst, well just an underperformer who's overrated.
I would demand atleast a first (top half/16) and a third for him, but I'd accept that for him. I just think he and the Texans would be better off with a change of scenery from each other.
 
It amazes me how many people absolutely hate Mario. The man had 8 sacks with a freakin sports hernia. He's been the only constant threat on a defense with little to no creativity. I want to see him in a 34. He can play end and OLB and I think will be a beast in one. Just because he is concerned about changing positions doesn't mean he wont bust his ass to be successful in it. But, who knows, maybe we can trade him for VY...People are in such a hurry to see him gone, but he has done whatever he can to hold the crap we have called a defense together for a while now.
 
BigBull17 said:
It amazes me how many people absolutely hate Mario. The man had 8 sacks with a freakin sports hernia. He's been the only constant threat on a defense with little to no creativity. I want to see him in a 34. He can play end and OLB and I think will be a beast in one. Just because he is concerned about changing positions doesn't mean he wont bust his ass to be successful in it. But, who knows, maybe we can trade him for VY...People are in such a hurry to see him gone, but he has done whatever he can to hold the crap we have called a defense together for a while now.
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That said, he needs to be healthy this next coming season because this is now two seasons in a row where his health has been issue, hindering his play.
 
BullNation4Life said:
Sure about that? and I quote...

"There were another half dozen or more plays we could have added that would’ve shown the same lack of interest and intensity from Mario. The best hope I have is that he’s INJURED. Otherwise, I have to hate the guy!":kubepalm:

here is the like to your own blog...

http://www.texansbullblog.com/wrong...onio-smith/featured-articles/isolated-review/

like I said, still on the "I hate Mario" march...March on young soldier, march on...
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you technically win.. I did use the word hate. However, as the article states, he was injured, as I had allowed the possibility for. And, I was relieved to officially find out that he wasn't just dogging it.
 
BigBull17 said:
It amazes me how many people absolutely hate Mario. The man had 8 sacks with a freakin sports hernia. He's been the only constant threat on a defense with little to no creativity. I want to see him in a 34. He can play end and OLB and I think will be a beast in one. Just because he is concerned about changing positions doesn't mean he wont bust his ass to be successful in it. But, who knows, maybe we can trade him for VY...People are in such a hurry to see him gone, but he has done whatever he can to hold the crap we have called a defense together for a while now.
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I'm a Texan fan. I have nothing to do with the Longhorns or Vince Young. As I said, I was thrilled with the Mario pick.

Read what Demeco said about changing defenses and compare it to Mario. Mario's quote is self-serving and concerned with his personal statistics. Demeco's quote shows his concern is the team and a better defensive product on the field. As I said in the article, it would seem to me that a player (like Mario and Demeco) that has been on horrible defenses in 4 of their five years in the NFL, would be primarily concerned with getting better as a defense, and not with the possible inconvenience of a shift of 24 inches to the left of the defensive line.
 
dalemurphy said:
I'm a Texan fan. I have nothing to do with the Longhorns or Vince Young. As I said, I was thrilled with the Mario pick.

Read what Demeco said about changing defenses and compare it to Mario. Mario's quote is self-serving and concerned with his personal statistics. Demeco's quote shows his concern is the team and a better defensive product on the field. As I said in the article, it would seem to me that a player (like Mario and Demeco) that has been on horrible defenses in 4 of their five years in the NFL, would be primarily concerned with getting better as a defense, and not with the possible inconvenience of a shift of 24 inches to the left of the defensive line.
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The bolded tells me all I need to know. Thanks lol
 
HOU-TEX said:
The bolded tells me all I need to know. Thanks lol
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Is lining up over the tackle going to take away Mario's outside spin move or his quick-twitch speed rush? Granted, he won't have the good fortune of the occasional play where the offense attempts to pass block the DE with a TE (usually on play action). Otherwise, what is the problem with cutting Mario loose in one gap principles but not lining him up on the tackle's outside shoulder?
 
I get why he is concerned. It isn't as easy as people think to just tell him to be a D. Ware type standup end and go. In fact I'd imagine he will be forced inside with more traffic. I'm still not sure how switching to a 3-4 and hiring a new coach aren't semi-similar in Bob's head of setting a team back. All systems take adjustment. To me is it another built in excuse...."Well yeah they went 5-11 but the defense was learning a completely new defense."
 
HoustonFrog said:
I get why he is concerned. It isn't as easy as people think to just tell him to be a D. Ware type standup end and go. In fact I'd imagine he will be forced inside with more traffic. I'm still not sure how switching to a 3-4 and hiring a new coach aren't semi-similar in Bob's head of setting a team back. All systems take adjustment. To me is it another built in excuse...."Well yeah they went 5-11 but the defense was learning a completely new defense."
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He would be forced inside, lining up in gap between the guard and tackle or directly over the tackle, in most cases. However, Mario is not a speed rusher. He should know that by now. Also, having a pure speed rusher with a great motor (Connor Barwin on his outside shoulder) will give Mario ample opportunities to get the the QB. But, so what? If he's a team guy, he should recognize a change is needed and be quick to embrace it, not quick to worry about how it may affect his stats.
 
Dalemurphy hit it on the head
Mario hasn't earned the tight to say anything
His less than spectacular play has helped lead this overrated group to nowhere. DC #3 incoming

Blah blah blah is right
 
Second Honeymoon said:
Dalemurphy hit it on the head
Mario hasn't earned the tight to say anything
His less than spectacular play has helped lead this overrated group to nowhere. DC #3 incoming

Blah blah blah is right
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Holy crap, SH, this is a special moment, huh. How should we celebrate this? It may not happen again for awhile (you and I being in agreement with one another... perhaps you shouldn't read my article about how happy I am that Kubiak didn't get fired- at least not for a couple days)
 
I'm a Reggie fan and I don't hate the guy.

Going into a contract year, it's natural for a guy to want to put up good stats.
 
While we are discussing Mario and his ability to adapt to DE in a 3-4, I ran accross a very interesting article on Battle Red Blog arguing that he would likley play and succeed as an OLB. Not only that, but the article argues quite well that our current personnel would fit quite well with they system and with Mario at LB... not sure if I agree, but it is a convincing argument:

Battle Red Blog
 
dalemurphy said:
I'm a Texan fan. I have nothing to do with the Longhorns or Vince Young. As I said, I was thrilled with the Mario pick.

Read what Demeco said about changing defenses and compare it to Mario. Mario's quote is self-serving and concerned with his personal statistics. Demeco's quote shows his concern is the team and a better defensive product on the field. As I said in the article, it would seem to me that a player (like Mario and Demeco) that has been on horrible defenses in 4 of their five years in the NFL, would be primarily concerned with getting better as a defense, and not with the possible inconvenience of a shift of 24 inches to the left of the defensive line.
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But Demeco isn't changing the way his whole damn position is played, Mario is.

TheCD said:
The Mario Motivation Thread is that way --> :kitten:



Mario, if there's one thing he tends to do exceptionally, is a great run-stopper. That spells success for a 3-4 DE. As far as statistics go he might not have awesome numbers, but I have no doubt he would be successful were there a great pass rusher behind him, also.
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He would be a great run stuffer at the position, and a way better pass rusher than the fat boys who normally play there.
 
Eh, who cares what Mario says; he's not a particularly good football player. There's always a reason why he isn't good that year. Kinda like Amobi Akoye, theres always an excuse.

Comparing Mario to Bruce Smith is like comparing an Edsal to a Farrari. Bruce Smith is a Hall of Fame Football Player, while the only way Mario is getting into the HOF is with a ticket.

What baffles me even more is why in the world would we keep the DL coach? What has he done that is so good compared to the rest of the staff?
 
BigBull17 said:
But Demeco isn't changing the way his whole damn position is played, Mario is.

He would be a great run stuffer at the position, and a way better pass rusher than the fat boys who normally play there.
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I remember when the Ravens first transitioned to a 3-4. One of the greatest MLB in the history of the NFL complained constantly about it: Ray Lewis. His performance suffered some that season and he consistently blamed it on the scheme change.

It is the selfishness embedded in the idea that he'd rather continue to play for a horrid defense than make some changes/sacrifices with the hopes of the team getting better.... It's not that I don't understand why he's concerned, I just don't like it.
 
IMO, I think Mario and Smith's concerns are that generally a 3-4 DE is big, around 285-300+, Richard Seymore type players. They also get double teamed quite often, in fact, that is their job, to take on as many blockers as possible so the LBs can make the plays. They are space eaters. I believe this was one of the reason's Smith left Arizona in the first place, because they were switching or had switched to a 3-4 when he is a 4-3 DE.

I can understand their concern, I think it is putting the cart before the horse though. I also think both would be successful in a 3-4. I could also see Mario standing up and rushing the passer. I remember during his 14 sack season saying he liked being in a 2 pt stance because he could see everything better and could locate the ball better. Now maybe Mario's concern is because they want to move him to DE but I think he would have no problems if he played OLB.

just thinking outside the box a little....
 
Hagar said:
Eh, who cares what Mario says; he's not a particularly good football player. There's always a reason why he isn't good that year. Kinda like Amobi Akoye, theres always an excuse.

Comparing Mario to Bruce Smith is like comparing an Edsal to a Farrari. Bruce Smith is a Hall of Fame Football Player, while the only way Mario is getting into the HOF is with a ticket.

What baffles me even more is why in the world would we keep the DL coach? What has he done that is so good compared to the rest of the staff?
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Well, if the Wade deal is already in place, perhaps Wade requested he stay (they were on staff together in Atlanta). Regarding his resume with the Texans, all I can say is that the defensive front has played better under Kollar than it did before he arrived (with the exception of Mario, that is)
 
Señor Stan;1627997 said:
Do 3-4 Defensive ends drop back in pass coverage? If not, the sign me up.
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I've seen Richard Smith drop Mario back in pass coverage. Don't know if Bush did it.

That in itself should get a DC fired.
 
BullNation4Life said:
IMO, I think Mario and Smith's concerns are that generally a 3-4 DE is big, around 285-300+, Richard Seymore type players. They also get double teamed quite often, in fact, that is their job, to take on as many blockers as possible so the LBs can make the plays. I believe this was one of the reason's Smith left Arizona in the first place, because they were switching or had switched to a 3-4 when he is a 4-3 DE.

I can understand their concern, I think it is putting the cart before the horse though. I also think both would be successful in a 3-4. I could also see Mario standing up and rushing the passer. I remember during his 14 sack season saying he liked being in a 2 pt stance because he could see everything better and could locate the ball better. Now maybe Mario's concern is because they want to move him to DE but I think he would have no problems if he played OLB.

just thinking outside the box a little....
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I have been working under the assumption that Mario would definitely transition to RDE in a 3-4... However, the Battle Red article linked at the top of the page, argues that he would be best as OLB. It's a wonderful article describing the nuances of the 3-4, of Wade's version of it, and an interesting look at what our personnel would look like (in the author's opinion) under Wade.
 
Mr. White said:
I've seen Richard Smith drop Mario back in pass coverage. Don't know if Bush did it.

That in itself should get a DC fired.
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Yes he did this year. I can't remember which game (Baltimore maybe?), but the announcers were reviewing the play and they circled Mario dropping back and were flabbergasted that the D would call for him to drop into coverage. For some reason I have a slight memory of Jon Gruden's voice discussing this...
 
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